[08:34] <flocculant> jjfrv8: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+filebug make sure testcase id# is there somewhere :)
[11:41] <bluesabre> hey flocculant 
[13:09] <flocculant> hi bluesabre 
[13:22] <jjfrv8> flocculant, bug 1514417 opened and merge proposal submitted.
[13:22] <jjfrv8> I forgot to link the bug to the MP :(
[13:28] <flocculant> jjfrv8: thanks jjfrv8 - I linked it - approved it - merged it - updated tracker 
[13:29] <jjfrv8> :D
[13:30] <flocculant> jjfrv8: big thanks - so much better when someone does the fiddling first :p
[13:32] <jjfrv8> now if I can just remember which settings I've screwed up before I file bugs :|
[13:32] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[13:33] <flocculant> why do think I've got about 6 billion vm's in different states :D
[13:35] <akxwi_dave> lol not just me then.. :-)
[13:37] <knome> for anybody interested, the tracker code is now in a branch under the website project in LP
[13:37] <knome> Unit193, pleia2, bluesabre, ochosi: ^
[13:38] <flocculant> nice :)
[13:39] <flocculant> even nicer if the one who turned up the other day wanting to help does that :)
[13:52] <akxwi_dave> knome : Nice bit of coding there.. :-)
[14:23] <knome> akxwi_dave, ta
[14:23] <knome> ok, time to go grocery shopping
[14:23] <knome> hf
[14:27] <akxwi_dave> enjoy...
[14:28] <flocculant> akxwi_dave: was talking to someone the other day - who was a bit all at sea with testing 
[14:29] <flocculant> suggestion was running a session for people - wonder if you'd like to take that as a work item to set up and advertise for us 
[14:29] <flocculant> you can use the social media stuffs
[14:29] <flocculant> I'd suggest an irc session - people can connect easily via the tracker 
[14:39] <akxwi_dave> Yep, I can do...
[14:39] <flocculant> excellent - just shout when you need something :)
[14:39] <akxwi_dave> will do..  I'll get some ideas set up and let you know.
[15:26] <akxwi_dave> When are we wanting to start testing in situe upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04?
[15:38] <flocculant> akxwi_dave: I'd not point people at that till at least a beta
[15:39] <akxwi_dave> No worries, was thinking more about myself for the testing
[15:39] <flocculant> if someone's brave enough or foolhardy enough to do it - then I'd not stop them
[15:39] <flocculant> but currently we're really half and half 
[15:55] <akxwi_dave> :-)
[17:58] <pleia2> knome: thanks re: tracker, I don't even remember how we got it put on the server XD
[20:51] <knome> pleia2, i pushed it :P
[20:52] <knome> pleia2, it *should* be safe now to pull the branch there on updates too, configuration files have only examples on tracker
[21:00] <flocculant> evening knome 
[21:03] <knome> hey flocculant 
[21:04] <flocculant> I even looked at the tracker stuff :p
[21:05] <flocculant> just looked you understand ;)
[21:06] <knome> ;)
[21:08] <flocculant> one thing to try and get my head around is enough
[21:09] <knome> heh
[21:12] <slickyma1ter> knome, ack the automatic translations export
[21:12] <flocculant> hi slickyma1ter 
[21:12] <slickyma1ter> hey flocculant 
[21:23] <slickyma1ter> krytarik, go ahead and change those two directories names
[21:23] <slickyma1ter> it makes perfect sense
[21:23] <slickyma1ter> knome ^^
[21:28] <ochosi> evening all
[21:28] <slickymaster> hey ochosi 
[21:29] <flocculant> hi ochosi 
[21:29] <ochosi> how're things?
[21:29] <flocculant> good here
[21:30] <ochosi> jjfrv8: thanks - an update for xfpm 1.4.4 would be very welcome indeed! (although the changes shouldn't be too dramatic)
[21:43] <knome> slickymaster, ack
[21:44] <slickymaster> will you be around tomorrow knome?
[21:44] <knome> mm, at some point of the day or evening, yes
[21:45] <slickymaster> I'll ping then. I was thinking that we could have a talk about the ubiquity translations
[21:46] <knome> or we can have it today if you have time
[21:46] <slickymaster> little one is with me, today knome 
[21:46] <slickymaster> and it's about time to start the all bed time fight
[21:47] <slickymaster> and tbh I'm a bit tired also
[21:47] <knome> lol
[21:47] <knome> good luck then
[21:48] <slickymaster> thanks knome 
[22:14] <flocculant> knome: any thoughts on when we'll get the contributor docs live? 
[22:15] <knome> pleia2, ping
[22:19] <flocculant> ochosi: any thoughts on getting the poll done before the next meeting?
[22:19] <flocculant> knome: one more :P 
[22:20] <knome> yes?
[22:20] <flocculant> so if we're not doing team updates anymore in a meeting
[22:20] <knome> yep
[22:20] <flocculant> what do we do about people wanting to tell things in the meetings? 
[22:20] <knome> they can tell them in the updates section
[22:20] <knome> let me explain the idea once more
[22:21] <knome> the "team updates" part i wanted to drop was the mechanical copy-paste of done work items into the meeting
[22:21] <flocculant> so still doing updates - just not blurbing what's a bp task? 
[22:21] <knome> because now with the tracker, they are there already
[22:21] <knome> and sure, if any of those items affect many people, it's probably a good idea to tell you did that
[22:21] <flocculant> yep - that was what I thought - just making sure 
[22:21] <knome> or if you need comments
[22:22] <flocculant> oic the meeting page has changed 
[22:22] <knome> and yes, we can/should still do updates if they are relevant past the "this work item is done" level
[22:22] <knome> so the idea was not to stop people from doing any communication
[22:22] <knome> but to save their time in having to collect these mechanical updates
[22:23] <flocculant> don't know if you caught the backlog - akxwi is going to set up a session in here for 'testers' 
[22:23] <knome> and instead let them have a bit more time to update them in the blueprints
[22:23] <flocculant> yep 
[22:23] <knome> where they are always live
[22:23] <knome> well, at least ideally live
[22:23] <flocculant> yea :)
[22:23] <knome> re: session, that must have slipped
[22:23] <flocculant> been trying to put task things on there - even if I then mark it done 
[22:23] <knome> yeo
[22:24] <knome> yep*
[22:24] <flocculant> knome: yea - someone was talking to me the other night about that
[22:24] <knome> and then if you think what is relevant for a BP work item or not
[22:24] <flocculant> yea
[22:24] <knome> i think the line is about "if it's something people outside team might be interested or it might affect them, it's suitable for a work item"
[22:25] <knome> and yeah, i just added an item that was straight done today - the tracker code being in a branch
[22:25] <flocculant> I've been putting testcase bugs on mine - if for no other reason that it's easy to see what's going on internally
[22:25] <knome> yep
[22:26] <knome> i haven't noticed that the amount of work items would have been too big yet to actually find what you are looking for
[22:26] <knome> once we have 3000 items, then we might be off the rails...
[22:26] <flocculant> yep :D
[22:26] <knome> but yeah, listing more stuff there isn't a bad idea
[22:26] <flocculant> and really really tired too 
[22:26] <knome> at the end of the cycle it also provides as a list on who did what
[22:26] <knome> and a place for personal evaluation as well
[22:27] <flocculant> yea I guess so 
[22:27] <flocculant> for those that would do that
[22:27] <knome> i mean i do look at a cycles BPs and see what i have accomplished in the last 6 months
[22:27] <flocculant> yep
[22:27] <flocculant> what you do is different to last cycle :)
[22:27] <knome> and think whether my time contribution was in level with that
[22:28] <flocculant> what qa does is re-rinse 
[22:28] <knome> or if i should start using less time but be more effective when i do work on stuff
[22:28] <flocculant> yea
[22:28] <knome> and also if i met enough of the goals set
[22:28] <flocculant> tracker is certainly a really useful tool 
[22:28] <knome> usually 10-20% of the work items on a team level are left undone
[22:29] <flocculant> right
[22:29] <knome> so if i personally hit that level, i guess i've done well enough
[22:29] <flocculant> :)
[22:29] <knome> but yeah, there are a lot of good things in tracking
[22:29] <knome> and i'm kind of happy that we built our own
[22:30] <flocculant> I think it's awesome tbh
[22:30]  * knome bows
[22:30] <flocculant> kudos :)
[22:30] <knome> i like the event markers in the burndown
[22:30] <knome> they are more useful than you might think
[22:30] <flocculant> and I don't even remember now what it was that I was missing :D
[22:31] <knome> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-v/group/topic-v-flavor-xubuntu.html
[22:31] <flocculant> I find them useful - if no more than a visual cue that a milestone is soon
[22:31] <knome> yep
[22:31] <ochosi> knome: oh right, thanks for the reminder. i'll try to set something meaningful up asap
[22:31] <ochosi> just have been really busy at work and at home
[22:31] <knome> ochosi, i think you mean flocculant 
[22:31] <flocculant> :)
[22:31] <flocculant> cos I had that annoying itch :D
[22:32] <ochosi> oh well, there you go, sleep deprivation
[22:32] <flocculant> ochosi: if it helps I'm off all week and could do it if you wanted :)
[22:32] <ochosi> oh, actually that'd be great. let me quickly take a peek at that spec again..
[22:33] <flocculant> ochosi: and after 26 years - I am just getting out of that deprivation cycle :p
[22:33]  * knome looks at the v status page, notes the amount of work items per person and sighs
[22:33] <flocculant> tomorrow \o/ 
[22:33] <ochosi> well, lucky you... :)
[22:33] <flocculant> :)
[22:34] <flocculant> last one hits 16 tomorrow 
[22:34] <knome> cool, congrats
[22:35] <ochosi> hehe
[22:35] <ochosi> nice
[22:35] <ochosi> flocculant: so yeah, that page looks right. please just make sure that you mention that there's no "Option C: Advocate your player of choice from the list on that page" in the poll text
[22:36] <ochosi> i'd prefer to avoid that, and frankly, having that list on that page somehow suggests that
[22:36] <flocculant> ochosi: I could edit 
[22:37] <flocculant> build new page and just have it on the choice page as a link
[22:37] <ochosi> yeah, or use the old W page as a reference there
[22:37] <flocculant> that said I will probably doodle poll it - and it will just be A or B
[22:37] <flocculant> with the link
[22:37] <ochosi> oh ok, so no mailinglist?
[22:37] <ochosi> but the doodle doesn't allow for real authentication, right?
[22:38]  * ochosi hasn't doodled much in his time
[22:38] <knome> i would go with ML, it's then archived forever there
[22:38] <flocculant> well
[22:38] <flocculant> I really didn't want to ml it 
[22:39] <knome> ;)
[22:39] <flocculant> but will if I had to 
[22:39] <flocculant> I could do it with condorcet :D
[22:39] <knome> i won't force anybody to do that if they don't want to, but i would say it would be the simplest
[22:39] <knome> and the archival thing is great, then we don't rely on anybody else keeping the data up
[22:39] <flocculant> simplest to run yea :D
[22:39] <flocculant> I guess so 
[22:39] <knome> and isn't too hard to figure out the results either
[22:39] <knome> it's 14 people at max voting
[22:40] <knome> one of them being you :P
[22:40] <flocculant> yea
[22:40] <flocculant> oh noes 
[22:40] <flocculant> that tips me over the balance ... 
[22:40] <knome> oops, did i just talk you into it :P
[22:40] <flocculant> can count to 13 with some forks :p
[22:40] <knome> yup
[22:41] <knome> and you can use your legs too!
[22:41] <flocculant> all three? 
[22:41] <knome> :X
[22:41] <knome> i didn't say that!
[22:42] <flocculant> :)
[22:46] <flocculant> ochosi: I'll get that sorted out tomorrow then - do you want to see before I send it to list? 
[22:48] <ochosi> flocculant: nah, that's ok, i trust you with that
[22:48] <flocculant> okey doke :)
[22:48] <knome> ochosi, MISTAKE
[22:48]  * knome hides
[22:48] <flocculant> too late
[22:48] <flocculant> in the logs :p
[22:49] <ochosi> and also, i don't take these "default application xy" things as serious anymore as i used to
[22:49] <flocculant> :)
[22:49] <ochosi> i mean yeah, it's good to have good defaults
[22:49] <flocculant> ochosi: LO took it out of you did it? 
[22:49] <flocculant> did me :p
[22:49] <ochosi> but especially with this one, there is no pleasing people
[22:49] <flocculant> yea for sure
[22:49] <flocculant> the only way I could be pleased would be if we QT'd 
[22:50] <flocculant> personally ofc
[22:50] <ochosi> LO might actually be for the better, i think it's useful for many and the alternatives were bug-plagued and not comparable feature-wise
[22:50] <flocculant> yea
[22:50] <ochosi> yeah, well, meh :)
[22:50] <flocculant> I think that was wise all in all 
[22:50] <flocculant> ha :)
[22:50] <ochosi> we already have FF and LO which don't use our toolkit
[22:50] <flocculant> yep 
[22:50] <ochosi> let's not go overboard on that one
[22:51] <flocculant> ochosi: ha ha ha 
[22:51] <ochosi> ;)
[22:52] <flocculant> I might argue personally that if you want to use foo then do so - but I'd not argue that point for Xubuntu :)
[22:52] <flocculant> unless we need Muon 
[22:52] <bluesabre> well, they do use our toolkit to a point
[22:52] <bluesabre> firefox is certainly built on gtk
[22:52] <flocculant> bluesabre: good evening :)
[22:52] <bluesabre> hey hey
[22:52] <ochosi> oh wow, the bluesabre sneaks out of the shadows
[22:52] <flocculant> he's been doing that lately 
[22:52] <bluesabre> always watching from the shadows once I get home
[22:53] <flocculant> I think it's the loss of summer time :p
[22:53] <bluesabre> and turn the lights on
[22:53] <ochosi> bluesabre: i know, LO uses gtk as well, but in a very very very old-fashioned (and partly weird) way
[22:53] <flocculant> bluesabre: cos it's dark ... 
[22:53] <bluesabre> ochosi: its getting better though with each release
[22:53] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, well the gtk3 version still looks like crap tbh ;)
[22:53] <ochosi> i tested it on the LO hackfest
[22:54] <ochosi> cause obviously i had to make sure my patch worked with 2 and 3 (which it did ofc)
[22:54] <ochosi> but they're very busy with all their platforms
[22:54] <ochosi> anyway, no problem for us, we're gtk2 mostly anyway
[22:54] <bluesabre> mhm
[22:54] <ochosi> (i should really re-consider my overuse of the word "anyway")
[22:55] <knome> nope
[22:55] <ochosi> btw, one more thing for the poll (just a personal note): if we would still pour resources into gmusicbrowser then dropping it would free those up so we could further improve parole
[22:55] <ochosi> but since we don't do that anymore, i guess this advantage is gone :)
[22:56] <bluesabre> :)
[22:56] <ochosi> (and ofc if we still poured resources into gmb, we might not want to drop it anymore)
[22:56] <ochosi> s/anymore//
[22:56] <SwissBot> ochosi meant: "(and ofc if we still poured resources into gmb, we might not want to drop it )"
[22:56]  * ochosi really needs some sleep
[22:56] <bluesabre> :D
[22:56] <ochosi> bluesabre: don't get kids, they eat your sleep!
[22:57] <knome> SwissBot, seriously?
[22:57] <flocculant> :)
[22:57] <bluesabre> ochosi: you'd probably be jealous that I've been getting 8-9 hours of sleep a night lately
[22:57] <bluesabre> :p
[22:57] <knome> i slept 14 hours two nights ago
[22:58] <bluesabre> :o
[22:58] <flocculant> bluesabre: I have been assiduously ignoring that I get lie-ins now 
[22:58] <flocculant> didn't think it would be fair 
[22:58] <bluesabre> :)
[22:59] <ochosi> yeah well, otoh she has that "awwwwh, look at the baaaaby!" effect, so i guess the higher endorphine level makes up for *some* of the sleep deprivation...
[22:59] <flocculant> :)
[22:59] <flocculant> they do that for sure 
[23:00] <flocculant> ochosi: do you want me to edit the xx spec to lose the list of media players? 
[23:00] <ochosi> well that'd only be my suggestion, what do the others here think?
[23:00] <flocculant> might be better
[23:00] <flocculant> is my thought
[23:00] <flocculant> bluesabre knome ^^ 
[23:01] <knome> fine with that
[23:01] <bluesabre> go for it
[23:01] <flocculant> k
[23:04] <flocculant> ok did that
[23:04] <flocculant> I'll get the mail out tomorrow sometime
[23:05] <bluesabre> nice
[23:11] <ochosi> bluesabre: btw, i agree we should offer to launch light-locker if it isn't running
[23:11] <ochosi> e.g. with a nice infobar
[23:11] <bluesabre> yup
[23:11] <ochosi> could be the last new feature before making 1.5 stable
[23:11] <bluesabre> I'll see about getting something together for that this week
[23:12] <ochosi> that'd be awesome!
[23:12] <bluesabre> I've been more busy than lately, so that might slip, but will *try*
[23:12] <bluesabre> s/than//
[23:12] <SwissBot> bluesabre meant: "I've been more busy  lately, so that might slip, but will *try*"
[23:13] <bluesabre> :D
[23:14] <flocculant> heh
[23:16] <flocculant> not that I mean this at all personally, but if team is going to vote on this - lderan has been off doing life for a cycle 
[23:17] <flocculant> maybe that team should have expiry dates 
[23:19] <ochosi> flocculant: good point, i've actually discussed this with him specifically repeatedly
[23:20] <ochosi> i'll send him an email now and deactivate him so he has to take some action to get back on the team and voting rights
[23:20] <flocculant> just seems a bit unfair when there are people constantly about not in team - but 'about' 
[23:20] <flocculant> k 
[23:20] <knome> then what about jackson/micah? not sure what their actual contributions have been
[23:21] <knome> if we go this path, that is...
[23:21]  * flocculant feels a bit like someone with a pitchfork :(
[23:21] <ochosi> knome: yeah, arguably i haven't had any PMs with them about this yet
[23:21] <ochosi> so i wouldn't want to go straight ahead and deactivate them
[23:22] <knome> of course not
[23:22] <ochosi> but i agree that i/we should talk to them
[23:22] <flocculant> then perhaps expiry dates would help - not 6 months as that's how long the processes gives, so someone could be active at start of a cycle
[23:22] <knome> i think that's a bit meh for -team
[23:22] <flocculant> perhaps so 
[23:23] <knome> it is a community after all and everybody should judge their own contributions
[23:23] <flocculant> just putting the hat on 
[23:23] <flocculant> yep of course
[23:24] <ochosi> yeah, we're still in a range where we can discuss things with people individually
[23:24] <ochosi> i mean we're actually not that many
[23:24] <knome> yep
[23:24] <ochosi> i wouldn't want to enforce too much of a policy here
[23:24] <flocculant> good 
[23:24] <knome> and i'd rather encourage people to pick up contributing again than felt excluded
[23:24] <flocculant> was just bringing it up 
[23:25] <knome> yep
[23:25] <knome> good to talk about stuff
[23:25] <flocculant> cos - I'm about to send a mail saying only team can vote :)
[23:25] <flocculant> which made me think about it 
[23:25] <knome> inactive members are problematic also for the quorum
[23:26] <flocculant> yea
[23:27] <bluesabre> yup
[23:28] <ochosi> i'm sending this email privately fwiw
[23:28] <flocculant> ofc
[23:28] <ochosi> but just so you know, i naturally invited him to just pick up contributing again - i really think re-earning your once held membership should be very easy and i think we should always emphasize that
[23:29] <knome> ++
[23:29] <bluesabre> yes, that sounds very reasonable
[23:29] <flocculant> ochosi: yep totally
[23:30] <ochosi> ok, so now we're 12
[23:30] <flocculant> doesn't the bit in the 'processes' say that? 
[23:30] <ochosi> what a biblical number...
[23:30] <flocculant> oh man - so what's quorum? 7? 
[23:30] <knome> yes
[23:30] <ochosi> i'll let you figure that out and get some sleep instead ;)
[23:30] <flocculant> \o/ 
[23:30] <ochosi> (it's really not a hard math problem anyway)
[23:30] <knome> so 7 people need to vote, 4 on the same side... :P
[23:30] <flocculant> ochosi: good night :)
[23:30] <ochosi> night y'all!
[23:31] <flocculant> knome: ha ha 
[23:31] <knome> nighty ochosi 
[23:31] <Unit193> knome: Nice.
[23:31] <flocculant> evening Unit193 
[23:31] <knome> hullo Unit193 
[23:32] <flocculant> while we've got people awake - and Unit193 will hate me now ... who's going to prod about core next? 
[23:33] <pleia2> knome: hey
[23:33] <knome> pleia2, hai
[23:33] <pleia2> another airplane in 9 hours, so kind of chaos day x_x
[23:33] <knome> so we've been preparing this contributor documentation in the docs branch for some time
[23:33]  * pleia2 nods
[23:34] <knome> could we sit down some time and see how we want it done in the docs subdomain?
[23:34] <flocculant> pleia2: I hope you have shares :D
[23:34] <pleia2> knome: I'm around next week, starting Tuesday
[23:34] <knome> pleia2, oki, ping me then :)
[23:34] <knome> flocculant, ^ also
[23:34] <pleia2> knome: so we can talk about that, and some other thing that's on our list (something about social media or somethin?)
[23:35] <knome> yeah
[23:35] <knome> is tuesday good or fo you want a buffer of some days
[23:35] <flocculant> knome: yep - I'd like to be about too if I'm awake :)
[23:35] <flocculant> just to nose in ofc
[23:35] <knome> what did i write
[23:35] <knome> :P
[23:35] <knome> ... good for you or do ...
[23:35] <flocculant> :)
[23:40] <bluesabre> nighty ochosi
[23:41] <bbrawner> Hey knome, you around?
[23:41] <knome> bbrawner, i am
[23:41] <bbrawner> How's it going?
[23:42] <knome> no complaints
[23:42] <bbrawner> Haha that's always good
[23:42] <bbrawner> I've been looking around here: http://tracker.xubuntu.org/#tab-details/spec=xubuntu-x-web
[23:42] <bbrawner> And I haven't been able to find the code haha
[23:42] <bluesabre> flocculant, Unit193: if we know what needs to be asked, I can start poking folks
[23:42] <bbrawner> Am I missing something?
[23:43] <knome> https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-website/xubuntu-website/tracker
[23:45] <bbrawner> Thanks knome!
[23:45] <knome> np
[23:46] <Unit193> bluesabre: Well they *were* supposed to review it, but that never happened.  We fixed it to be more like what they wanted, as far as we can tell.  I'm pretty sure it's out of sync now, but I have no intention on fixing it now.
[23:46] <flocculant> bluesabre: afaik - we did what they wanted us to - just needs pushing 
[23:46] <flocculant> that ^^
[23:48] <bluesabre> Unit193: cool, I'll take a look at it and see how far behind we are. Then we can give ochosi the stabbing stick
[23:49] <flocculant> well - I'm off now 
[23:49] <flocculant> night all 
[23:49] <bluesabre> night flocculant 
[23:49] <flocculant> and hi bbrawner :)
[23:49] <knome> nighty flocculant 
[23:49] <bbrawner> Hey flocculant!