[05:09] Good morning [06:24] good morning [06:42] bonjour didrocks, ça va ? pas plus malade ? [06:46] hey pitti, plus malade ! et toi ? tu as pu rentrer ? ça semblait difficile… [06:47] didrocks: oui, j'étais en retard un jour; deux vols ont été annulé, mais mon vrai vol était bien [06:48] didrocks: j'ai pris un jour de vacance hier pour me reposer [06:49] pitti: tu as bien eu raison ! :) [06:49] pitti: comment est Austin ? [06:55] didrocks: en fait c'était bon ! cette fois on a été au milieu de ville; beaucoup de bars, restaurants etc. près d'hôtel [06:56] didrocks: jeudi on a vu "V for Vendetta" -- c'était le vrai jour, 5 novembre [06:58] et courir à rive de Colorado est bien aussi, j'ai y couru deux fois [06:58] les autres matins il y avait du brouillard, on ne peux rien voir [06:59] ("on ne peux voir rien" ?) [06:59] cool que vous ayez eu un sprint à un endroit sympa :) [06:59] err, "on ne peux pas voir rien"? [06:59] "on ne peut rien voir" [06:59] ah, prèsque :) [06:59] oui, presque :-) [07:00] uh, "près de.." vs "presque", sans l'accent? [07:00] es -> "èss" en terme de son [07:00] donc oui, pas d'accent [07:01] for "près", you don't pronounce the final "s", I guess that's why you need the accent for the "è" sound [08:12] good morning! [08:13] morning larsu :) [08:13] hi didrocks :) How are you? [08:13] Morning [08:14] Hi larsu, didrocks! [08:14] hey hey Trevinho! [08:14] larsu: good, thanks! how are you? [08:14] morning Trevinho! [08:14] didrocks: good thanks! [08:15] * larsu goes to get some breakfast [08:30] good morning desktopers [08:36] bonjour seb128, comment vas-tu ? [08:36] hey larsu! [08:36] morning Trevinho [08:37] it's good to be back :) [08:41] salut pitti, ça va bien, et toi ? [08:41] pitti, tu as réussi à rentrer en Allemagne ? [08:42] I read your g+ post about your rebooked flight cancelled as well [08:42] seb128: oui, j'ai rentré bien dimanche [08:42] seb128: j'ai pris un jour de vacance hier pour me reposer [08:43] tu as bien fait [08:43] comment va ton jetlag ? [08:43] larsu: as-tu été à systemd.conf ? [08:44] seb128: en fait bien ! j'ai me levé à 3h hier, mais ce matin à 6h; donc je suis retour à la normale [08:44] :-) [08:45] pas d'ubuflu, qui aide :) [08:45] * pitti pats sil2100 [08:46] morning pitti! [08:46] back home? [08:47] the conference was great! Lots of nice people and good talks [08:47] I liked yours especialy ;) [08:47] morning seb128! [08:47] hey larsu! [08:49] how are you? [08:53] doing good :-) [08:53] what about you? [08:54] great thanks! Just got myself some breakfast :) [08:54] * larsu should make tea to go wit hit [08:54] *with it [08:58] hehe [08:58] * seb128 is drinking coffee [09:01] morning [09:02] morning willcooke [09:02] hey larsu - I've asked for the +1 from design for those theme changes [09:02] I saw [09:02] no reply yet? [09:03] I'm meeting with John in an hour or so [09:03] I tweak the gtk2 theme as well for the scrollbar trough [09:03] http://imgur.com/a/RHfU7 [09:03] hey hey [09:03] after at the top, before at the bottom [09:03] morning Laney [09:03] strangely it looks quite different on a machine than a screenshot [09:04] hey willcooke [09:04] hey willcooke [09:04] willcooke: darker trough? [09:04] how is u.k today? [09:04] morning Laney [09:04] larsu, yeah [09:04] seb128, warm and windy :) [09:04] hey willcooke [09:04] willcooke: hehe - does look better I think [09:05] morning Laney [09:05] larsu, full screen the old is really hard to spot the scrollbar in the trough IMO [09:05] anyways - I think John will be fine with it [09:06] * larsu nods [09:08] ahah! [09:08] I have the slow shutdown on W again [09:08] A stop job is running for monitor and control system power state (17s / 1m 30s) [09:09] it's now stopped ticking up [09:09] pitti, anything to worry about? ^ [09:09] This hasn't shown up for ages and now I have a USB drive plugged in, it's back [09:10] Seems I can reproduce it now [09:30] willcooke, you probably want to follow /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian.gz it has a section for debugging shutdown issues [09:30] thx seb128 I'll take a look [09:36] Laney, seems like libgtk-3-dev should depends on libmircookie-dev now [09:37] gdk-3.0.pc lists it [09:37] check bzr [09:37] ...check xenial-changes :) [09:37] didn't get an email on xenial-changes [09:38] * seb128 refreshes [09:38] nop [09:38] * Laney shrugs [09:38] but I guess it means you are on it ;-) [09:38] speaking of the devil… ;) [09:38] lol [09:39] nettle-dev? [09:39] * didrocks gives http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/u/ubuntu-make/xenial/ppc64el/ to pitti :-) [09:39] I wonder if it's normal that building on x11 pulls in mir requirements? [09:39] yes [09:40] why? (just curious) [09:40] well the depends is right, I just wonder why it has to be this way [09:40] didrocks: wohoo! [09:41] was annoyed by a "always failed" on one arch :p [09:41] * pitti donne une accolade à didrocks [09:41] * didrocks donne une accolade en retour [09:41] (and no, I didn't disable the test ;)) [09:41] willcooke: hm, what's that? powerd? [09:41] Laney, I retried the pygobject builds btw, they seem alright now [09:41] maybe that unblocks libpeas and gedit :-) [09:42] willcooke: is that still starting on desktop? last time I looked at it it was doomed to fail without android [09:42] willcooke: so that's saying it tried to stop (SIGTERM) powerd and it doesn't go down on that; it gets SIGKILLed after the timeout [09:43] willcooke: so: if powerd has been fixed to work without android, then it needs to be fixed to terminate on SIGTERM, or get an ExecStop= to say what otherwise one must do to stop it [09:43] willcooke: if it has not been fixed to work without android, it shouldn't start in the first place, and its unit should grow some conditional [09:45] ask attente? [09:45] thanks [09:45] pitti, only upowerd is running on my W machine [09:45] willcooke: ok, so I guess someone fixed it for non-android [09:46] ah, upowerd == powerd [09:46] humm [09:46] willcooke: right, upower is harmless and expected to run; talking about powerd [09:46] that's the ubuntu phone specific thing [09:46] having said I could recreate it, guess what.... [09:46] now it's working fine again [09:46] hey pitti [09:46] I thought I had a way to make it fail, guess not [09:47] hey Laney, how are you? [09:48] it's back [09:48] wtf [09:48] pitti: good, went out for cuban tapas last night which was yummy :) [09:48] willcooke: can you try this without rebooting: just "sudo systemctl stop powerd" and see if it hangs [09:48] you? good journey back? [09:48] willcooke: if not, start it again, stop, wash, rinse & repeat? [09:49] Laney: a day late, but the flight that actually did fly was fine [09:49] wait, I saw a post about... that [09:49] and I adjusted to the jetlag rather well [09:49] the swap day yesterday was really helpful [09:49] and I worked for < 10 mins :) [09:49] \o/ [09:51] hum, bug #1514427 ... does anyone can try that on xenial/amd64? works fine on i386 [09:51] bug 1514427 in inkscape (Ubuntu) "Cannot open inskape undefined symbol: _ZN6Magick5Image4readERKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEE" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1514427 [09:51] * pitti apt installs [09:52] WTH, this installs libgnomevfs2 -- is that *still* a thing [09:52] seb128: it was reported on amd64 [09:53] hm, but it starts fine here [09:53] pitti, yeah, which is why I'm asking if anyone using amd64 can reproduce [09:53] since my install is i386 [09:53] oh, it works for you [09:53] yes [09:53] k, so local issue I guess [09:53] maybe an old lib in /usr/local or something [09:53] pitti, tahnks for testing [09:54] libmagick++-6.q16-5v5 8:6.8.9.9-6 [09:54] libmagickcore-6.q16-2 8:6.8.9.9-6 [09:54] that at least seems current [09:54] yeah, local imagemagic install could do that [10:23] seb128: it seems there are some troubles with gtk dependency in xenial... [10:23] configure: error: Package requirements (libwnck-3.0 >= 3.4.7) were not met: [10:23] Package 'mircookie', required by 'gdk-3.0', not found [10:23] This is for bamf, for example... But also Unity fails [10:23] Trevinho, hey, yeah, Laney just uploaded a fixed gtk, see backlog [10:24] Trevinho, just do a retry once the new gtk is published, should be soon enough [10:24] seb128: ah, ok... rebuilding now is fine (in ppa)? [10:24] ok [10:25] Trevinho, [10:25] $ rmadison -s xenial-proposed libgtk-3-0 [10:25] libgtk-3-0 | 3.18.2-1ubuntu1 | xenial-proposed | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, powerpc, ppc64el [10:25] so not yet [10:25] pitti, sorry for the delay. So I did a systemctl stop powerd and it took ~ 15 seconds to stop. Retrying.... [10:25] need another publisher [10:25] seb128: ok, thanks [10:25] * Trevinho waits... [10:25] it's not finished on armhf yet [10:26] willcooke: ah, so you can reproduce that without having to reboot, good [10:26] you damn armhf... You're always late. [10:26] (it looks something more related to an Italian technology than a British one :P) [10:28] oh, no Sweetshark? [10:29] pitti, systemctl start powerd -> Failed to start powerd.service: Unit lxc-android-config.service failed to load: No such file or directory [10:29] LibO started to fail with "configure: error: gtk3 libraries of the correct versions, not found" [10:29] pitti, cf what we just said [10:29] pitti, gtk+ fix is building, another 1 or 2 publisher cycles and it should be good to retry [10:29] seb128: ah, thanks [10:37] larsu, +1 from desig [10:42] n [10:44] \o/ [12:01] Trevinho, you can retry your gtk builds now [12:01] pitti, ^ [12:01] seb128: thanks; the new gtk+3.0 already re-triggered the tests [12:01] good [12:07] seb128: thanks [12:53] Trevinho, I think you said that https://code.launchpad.net/~sethj/ubuntu/wily/unity/fix-for-1445595/+merge/276074 was wrong, can you comment on it? [12:54] seb128: yep [12:54] Trevinho, thanks [12:56] LP/archive is being super slow for me [12:56] same for anyone else? [12:58] Laney, testing [12:58] Laney, seems the security repo is slow, others OK [13:00] Laney, lp works fine for me [13:00] ok [13:07] same here, fine [13:07] * Laney needs to get round to running ethernet [13:09] * Laney orders a reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel === howefield_afk is now known as howefield [14:08] good morning. [14:10] hey qengho [14:11] morning [14:11] hey andyrock [14:11] andyrock: you know there's a big review queue for you? :-D [14:12] yeah [14:12] 💌 [14:12] that does not make me happy [14:12] It's a nice mail, come one! [14:12] on* [14:12] hey andyrock - how are you fixed for a meeting tomorrow around 10am UTC? [14:12] Ah, and the Kylin guys proposed their lockscreen shield... Works well, there are some code changes needed, but from a first look it seems nice. [14:12] andyrock, this will be our inaugural agile sprint kick off [14:13] willcooke: if it's on IRC it's fine for me [14:14] andyrock, it will need to be a HO I think, sorry. Do you have any mornings which work? [14:14] I guess we can try IRC, but I think HO will be better/faster [14:14] willcooke: can I do that on the phone? just for the days I'm not home at that time [14:15] andyrock, there will be one of these about every 3 weeks, plus a review at a similar schedule [14:15] But, doing it on afternoon is not feasible? [14:16] ok I'll make it for tomorrow [14:16] Sure, we can do that. My afternoons tend to be busier, but we can find a slot I'm sure [14:16] andyrock, when is a good time for you? I think 1 hr will be plenty [14:16] happy to fit around your schedule [14:16] Ok, then we can decide everytime when's better.. [14:16] +1 [14:17] my schedule is a mess, it's no fixed [14:18] I'll try to adapt my schedule to the meetings [14:18] the opposite is impossible [14:18] hah [14:18] i'll do it for tomorrow :D [14:18] Since we're just 4 people, I think we can be easily flexible [14:18] plus seb128 at least for the first one [14:18] ah, ok sure [14:18] seb128 is always there :) [14:19] ok, how about we sync tomorrow on IRC and try and find a slot [14:19] hikiko will be back tomorrow as well [14:19] Fine [14:19] tomorrow is a french holiday but I should be online at least in the morning between 10 and 12 [14:20] oh yeah, forgot [14:20] maybe Thursday then [14:21] let's see tomorrow morning? [14:21] sure, oki plan is then try and sync tomorrow morning and if we can't do it then try again on Thursday [14:21] seb128: don't do that... We can move this on Thursday [14:21] willcooke: hi, do you know what version of gstreamer we are planning to use in 16.04? [14:22] tseliot, whatever is stable by feature freeze, looks like 1.6 from where we stand at the moment [14:22] seb128: ok, thanks [14:23] tseliot, why? [14:23] 1.8 [14:23] seb128: somebody asked ;) [14:23] http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/gstreamer-announce/2015-October/000359.html [14:23] in fact 1.8 likely I guess [14:24] tseliot, do you know why they ask? they want/need a new version? [14:24] ah, ok [14:24] seb128: I'm not really sure. I will ask them [14:24] thanks [14:25] * Laney was here you know [14:26] Laney, here? [14:26] Laney: sorry, I didn't see you [14:26] * seb128 waves to Laney [14:26] Laney: thanks [14:26] Laney, sorry when I replied I was unsure if you were around or at lunch or if you knew/tracked upstream gstreamer work [14:26] * seb128 knows for next time that Laney masters gstreamer's schedule ;-) [14:31] no worries :P === CrazyMelon is now known as CrazyLemon [14:31] I usually assume these days that we'll track it like glib [14:31] k, I though you mostly did merge from Debian [14:31] I didn't know you were tracking upstream as well [14:31] slomo is fast there [14:31] yeah [14:31] happy to let him do that [14:31] I for one had no idea when 1.8 was coming [14:31] now I know [14:31] ya, trying to get on the 6 month train [14:31] they failed in the past [14:31] so I don't trust much their schedule [14:32] but let's see ;-) [15:02] didrocks, heard back from Fritzing too. They are +1 [15:03] larsu, thanks for the approval! Do I need to do anything now or is it automatic? Will it be part of 16.04? [15:05] willcooke: used to be automatic; these days we need to ping seb128 or Laney [15:05] there's a spreadhseet involoved. And a silo. And something about a train [15:06] larsu, no spreadsheet anymore [15:06] :-) [15:06] things improve! [15:07] willcooke, need a landing through https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/ [15:07] oh indeed? [15:07] ah, right [15:07] * larsu shuts up [15:07] the part about pinging someone was corrct [15:07] I'm unsure you wouldn't be able to do a landing yourself [15:07] if you are not we could for sure arrange to have it fixed [15:07] same for willcooke :p [15:10] willcooke: great! do you mind opening bugs with links and references? [15:17] * seb128 hands a "rebuild master" badge to Laney ;-) [15:17] didn't test build that lot [15:17] and there were some sed build depends replacements [15:17] sooooo, no badge just yet :) [15:18] hehe [15:18] more transition coming [15:18] I noticed the new "glew" upload earlier [15:18] there are some 60 rdepends [15:18] ffs [15:18] better not get entangled [15:18] we might want a transition tracker for that one [15:20] just got a proper dialog from e-d-s [15:20] for team meeting reminder [15:20] :( [15:24] seb128, I'm not authorized to add a new request. What should I do? [15:24] Laney, why ":("? [15:24] didrocks, Sure. Still need to finalise the legal side, but I will create a couple of bugs anyway [15:26] willcooke, unsure what group has the rights to do landing. If you are interested to figure that out/get it work ask on #ubuntu-ci-eng, otherwhise jut delegate the landing to somebody in the team I would say [15:28] probably not something I need to do very often. seb128 would you mind doing the honours? [15:29] it's not urgent of course [15:29] willcooke, adding to my list [15:29] thx! [15:29] but probably not for before thursday [15:29] nw [15:29] yw! [15:29] * willcooke feels a disturbance in the force [15:30] #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-11-10 [15:30] Meeting started Tue Nov 10 15:30:05 2015 UTC. The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:30] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently while updating the bug list for release http://pad.ubuntu.com/6aWG0SagNg | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-11-10 | Current topic: [15:30] hey [15:30] hey [15:30] Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt (hols), dgadomski, didrocks, fjkong (maybe out), happyaron (maybe out), hikiko (hols), laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out) [15:30] hey [15:30] hey [15:30] hey [15:31] HEy! [15:31] =。=！ [15:31] hey [15:31] hejhej [15:31] \o [15:32] Let's go..... [15:32] #topic andyrock === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently while updating the bug list for release http://pad.ubuntu.com/6aWG0SagNg | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-11-10 | Current topic: andyrock [15:32] Nothing that much last week [15:32] Treviño is too fast to write code [15:32] faster than me reading his code [15:32] not true... [15:33] btw this week I'll try to review all the MPs [15:33] * Laney is getting ALL the build failures now [15:34] oki, thanks andyrock [15:34] #topic attente === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently while updating the bug list for release http://pad.ubuntu.com/6aWG0SagNg | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-11-10 | Current topic: attente [15:34] o/ [15:34] hi, not a whole lot to say [15:34] finished https://github.com/maliit/framework/pull/19 and https://github.com/maliit/inputcontext-gtk/pull/1, merged upstream [15:34] need to figure out why clicking on the maliit keyboard double taps keys in gtk apps [15:34] backlog: single-surface mode for gtk-mir [15:34] (eof) [15:34] thx attente [15:34] desrt, are you really here? [15:34] ya [15:35] i didn't email my report, so i can give it now :) [15:35] #topic desrt === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently while updating the bug list for release http://pad.ubuntu.com/6aWG0SagNg | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-11-10 | Current topic: desrt [15:35] did a release last week and used the chance to do a lot of long-overdue cleanup tasks in glib [15:35] simplified the docs build [15:35] also simplified our handling of "inline" (which exploded as a result of the recent overflow-checked math ops work) [15:35] also general bugs/patches/etc. [15:35] eof [15:36] thanks desrt [15:36] #topic dgadomski === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently while updating the bug list for release http://pad.ubuntu.com/6aWG0SagNg | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-11-10 | Current topic: dgadomski [15:36] hey [15:36] * I've been off for 2 days last week [15:36] * fixed bug #1337873, reported upstream bug with attached patch (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92886), will work on debdiffs for SRU [15:36] Freedesktop bug 92886 in daemon "PolkitAgentSession incorrectly handles multiline PAM_TEXT_INFO output" [Normal,New] [15:36] bug 1337873 in ifupdown (Ubuntu Vivid) "Precise, Trusty, Utopic - ifupdown initialization problems caused by race condition" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1337873 [15:36] * got more feedback for fix to bug #1337873, pitti will upload the fix to xenial for testing before SRU [15:36] * working on a wiki page with information about debugging policykit [15:36] EOF [15:37] thanks dgadomski [15:37] thank you [15:37] dgadomski, what's the url of the page? [15:38] seb128: I'm working on a draft, going to paste it to wiki, not sure what would be the best place to put it [15:39] seb128: I still have it as a google doc [15:39] dgadomski, probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPolicyKit or something [15:39] that would be consistent with others [15:39] e.g https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingApparmor [15:39] seb128: thanks, will do that [15:40] great, thanks chaps [15:40] #topic didrocks === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently while updating the bug list for release http://pad.ubuntu.com/6aWG0SagNg | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-11-10 | Current topic: didrocks [15:40] Ubuntu Make: [15:40] * Release work from previous week as 15.11. Good feedbacks so far. [15:40] * Review and merge Netbeans IDE support (and added/cleaning tests for it) by Fabio Colella! [15:40] * Review and merge Jared Ravetch rust support (and added/cleaning as well tests for it) by Jared Ravetch. [15:40] * Review and merge Unity3D updates support by Eldar Khayrullin (welcome to our new contributor). [15:40] * Review and merge Sebastian Schuberth fix for Android NDK. [15:40] * Fix webstorm icon renamed upstream. [15:40] * Ship version file as part of the install (Now --version really works on packaged flavor as well) + stamp generated binary with correct version. [15:40] * Fix BaseInstaller to not crash when all downloads assets are 404 + add medium tests for this. [15:40] * Ensure -r global option behave like --remove. [15:40] * Some style, refactoring and formatting tidy up for recent merges and changes. [15:40] * Add medium assets, certificates and additional failure test cases for netbeans and rust. [15:40] * Update docker container for medium tests with new certificates. [15:40] * Readd Travis CI integration running pep8 and small tests (with badge status and updated wording in README). New pushes and pull requests are now automatically tested on those 2 kinds of tests. [15:40] * Fix and updates dependencies for package and pip virtualenv deps. [15:40] * Standardize the test environment so that people running tests using for instance zsh are not impacted. [15:40] * Finish up shipping static files support for future frameworks. [15:40] * Using scala framework for loading tests and making autopkgtests pass on armel64 (android not available on this arch). [15:40] * Improve releasing script and migrate gbp config to new headers. [15:41] Misc: [15:41] * Watched and followed some UOS sessions (still some to catch up though) [15:41] * Some Archive Admin duties [15:41] . [15:41] nothing else? [15:41] did you sleep? [15:41] :D:D [15:41] thanks didrocks, amazing stuff [15:41] #topic FJKong === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently while updating the bug list for release http://pad.ubuntu.com/6aWG0SagNg | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-11-10 | Current topic: FJKong [15:41] you guys read fast [15:41]