[00:01] <TJ-> No, 44.1khz  stereo samples 88.2K samples per second, usually 16-bit, for 176.4Kbytes/second
[00:02] <TJ-> For broadcast it's a bit different, FM stereo analogue broadcasts L+R and L-R
[00:04] <TJ-> L+R means you can do mono fallback without loss of content, L-R means you can then do (L+R)+(L-R)=2L (the left signal) and (L+R)-(L-R)=2R, the right signal
[00:05] <TJ-> L-R is simply broadcast at 38kHz, above the audio range, with the L+R in the normal audiable range
[00:06] <daftykins> that's joint-stereo and full stereo right?
[00:06] <daftykins> or is it not called that in FM o0
[00:09] <TJ-> no, 'joint-stereo' is the concept in compressed signals of encoding the shared signal only once
[00:10] <TJ-> FM stereo is 'matrix-stero' (mid-sideband stereo)
[00:11] <TJ-> I developed the 'joint-stereo' algorithms in the 1980s without realizing it was particularly special, so the MP3 folks at Fraunhoffer got to name it ! I called it de-duplication
[00:12] <daftykins> :D wowzer, so were you working for them at the time?
[00:12] <TJ-> No, I had no idea they even existed, I was well before MP2/MP3 were born.
[00:14] <daftykins> i feel i'm in the presence of an audio engineering rockstar now :)
[00:14] <TJ-> I started out writing games engines, focusing on sound, with a school-friend partner. He focused on the graphics side. We had a customer wanted to store a lot of sampled audio, and compression was the only solution. I began researching it and at the time interpolation was about the state-of-the-art, so I went off and developed a compression system that typically achieved 50:1 with music, and higher
[00:14] <TJ-> with less dynamically diverse sources, and then patented and licenced it to various companies: games, engineering, telecommuncations, computing
[00:15] <TJ-> This was in the days of the Commodore Amiga, Atari 520 ST, Spectrum, BBC Micro, et al
[00:15] <TJ-> Our engine was cross-platform, written in assembler, and games companies licenced it from us and put their games on top. Think 'API/framework' in modern parlance
[00:16] <daftykins> :D
[00:16] <daftykins> hmm probably too early for me then to have heard if it had a name
[00:19] <TJ-> Well, I called it asterix, but it was never a consumer thing, it was used in the internals of larger systems. The biggest users back then were telecoms companies wanting to multiplex voice circuits that had been switching to digital.
[00:20] <TJ-> instead of installing more cable/fibre between PoPs they could put some hardware on either end of the link and typically put 100 voice calls down the same link that 1 had required previously
[00:21] <daftykins> crikey
[00:21] <daftykins> sounds like that took off in a big way :>
[00:22] <TJ-> the most enjoyable implementations were for digital jukeboxes, when hard disks started replacing CDs, and when a 320MB SCSI drive back then was full-height and about £1200, so compressing the music saved a massive amount
[00:23] <TJ-> I used to test using Madonna's track 'Like a Virgin' and I got to the point I feel sick whenever I hear it now :)
[00:24] <TJ-> I seem to have a knack for getting deep into the guts of technology :)
[00:25] <daftykins> :D
[00:25] <daftykins> mmm Madonna overdose
[00:36] <daftykins> well that's fascinating stuff TJ-
[00:37] <daftykins> i shall have to remember you in all topics audio ;)
[00:37] <daftykins> right i think it's time for that early bed
[00:37] <daftykins> g'night all o/
[00:37] <TJ-> g'night, me too I think
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:51] <OerHeks> hi lotus
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> hey OerHeks :p
[03:55] <TJ-> morning ... again!
[03:55] <OerHeks> again and again and again ..
[03:55] <lotuspsychje> loool
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> you cant just get rid of me
[03:56] <OerHeks> That lotuspsychje is a nightowl too
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> ooo oooo
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> ooo11OO111OO1 a digital nightowl
[03:57] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: Your KV8 manual, BIOS reference, page 3-13 LDT & PCI Bus Control, may have a setting that is causing the issue with the WMP600N. See http://data.manualslib.com/pdf3/61/6019/601840-abit/kv8max3.pdf?17bb938c96dcf6a267078151fc0fa9ab
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[03:58] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: I'd suggest doing a BIOS factory default reset once again, then looking at those settings, take a photo as they are by default so I can see, then try altering them and testing
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: yeah ill do cmos and battery takeout
[03:59] <TJ-> Also, the interupts are shared over the various devices/PCI sockets. Page 3-19 onwards shows the settings and there's a table on page 3-20
[03:59] <lotuspsychje> i tryed many things already,minimal defaults, optimized,all pci settings change
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> but it would make most sense its a mobo issue
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> but why ubuntu sees it as a wrong device puzzles me lol
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> one would think, you can see the card or totaly not
[04:03] <TJ-> It could be a timing issue, and that LDT stuff affects that
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: i have all ltd/pci settings default as the manual right now
[04:03] <TJ-> PCI1/PCI2 Master 0 WS Write especially
[04:04] <TJ-> When that is enabled writes are performed with 0 wait-states. Set it to Disabled and 1 wait state is inserted. That might help
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> ill try to fool around with it
[04:05] <TJ-> the other possiblity is, the slot the WMP600N is in is using the same resources as the AGP card, or a system device
[04:06] <TJ-> So the table on 3-20 would help figure out a slot config that avoids any posible conflict
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: there must be something, as the card worked like a charm before
[04:09] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: right, and the fact we know the card's PCI config space contains the correct values but when the kernel scans the bus it gets that first byte corrupted, says there's a hardware/timing issuing
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[04:11] <TJ-> It could be the card not mapping its config registers into memory fast enough for the system even. Does the PC have any clock controls so you could reduce the Front-Side Bus MHz as a test?
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: got a reply on my bug from dev to test another specific kernel bah, not gonan try it
[04:11] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: don't blame you; a lot of that stuff is automated, or done without actually reading the bug report
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: yes its got in-bios overclocking
[04:11] <TJ-> try slowing it down
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> ok
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> lets get this puzzle straight soon :p
[04:14] <TJ-> it's like being sherlock holmes sometimes
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> lol
[04:15] <TJ-> After you've eliminated all the other possibilities, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, is the answer
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: i love systematic thinking :p
[04:16] <TJ-> Well, it beats the heck out of reinstalling :)
[04:17] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: my xenial just keep rocknrolling for now on it :p
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> lol: https://omnirat.eu/
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> i wonder if clamav picks it already
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> http://clamav-du.securesites.net/cgi-bin/clamgrok?virus=omni&search-type=contains&case-sensitivity=No&database=daily&database=main&display=database&display=virus&.submit=Query+verzenden&.cgifields=database&.cgifields=search-type&.cgifields=case-sensitivity&.cgifields=display
[07:38] <wileee> main channel needs a check if your medicated at the door
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> wileee: 1800 users though :p
[09:38] <wileee> yeah, darn lurkers
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> lolz
[09:39] <wileee> you forget they are there
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> idling support
[09:39] <wileee> true
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> wileee: the new omnirat that can take linux: https://omnirat.eu/
[09:41] <wileee> heh, do it all while on the beach, this happened to all the pro studio musicians when digital hit
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> wileee: scanned clamav database already and showing omni
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> http://clamav-du.securesites.net/cgi-bin/
[09:45] <wileee> music though it has made a lot of people able to be creative in a simpler process so in the end is good, strange being a trained player though when you meet these folk and hey are really interesting without the standard path followed. Always been these players self taught anyway.
[09:46] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[09:52] <wileee> here is a local group, one member played in a total improv group I was in self taught and probably the most creative person I've worked with, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7iUMSQnHUM
[09:52] <wileee> these guys are really out there
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[09:54] <wileee> beautiful noize
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> wileee: what genre is this called
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> never heard something like that b4
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> oh..experimental noise
[09:56] <wileee> lotuspsychje, Not sure there is a genre really, many do this though in some form or another, the detune of the pitch sounds to me like some composers who went beyond 12 tones, ex noise yeah sound good
[09:57] <wileee> They did an album with some others I know in honor of Joseph Campbel after his passing.
[09:58] <wileee> a person I know new him
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> wileee: like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38r6SYN8kLg
[10:04] <wileee> lotuspsychje, Sure, lots of variations to some extent, my guys rarely as smegma do a beat, however here are some of them as another group. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X3YUW2ztf4
[10:04]  * lotuspsychje likes crazy stylez
[10:04] <wileee> I like it your link
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> lol thats very experimental
[10:06] <wileee> I played in a jazz quartet with the trumpet player called Years of Sweat
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> i like the first noise better
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> wileee: wich instrument you play?
[10:06] <wileee> tenor sax, flute, clarinet, other saxesand fretless bass
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> nice
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> wileee: trumpet myself and groovebox 505 used to
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> i kind like digital music
[10:07] <wileee> Cool, have you heard of Dave Monet's trumpets?
[10:08] <lotuspsychje> no
[10:08] <wileee> http://www.monette.net/  this will blow your mind
[10:09] <wileee> I knew Dave in high school he was a instrument repairman at a music store I was the janitor at
[10:10] <lotuspsychje> nice
[10:10] <wileee> I feel really lucky I've lived an interesting life without even trying, probably many feel that way I guess
[10:13] <wileee> happened on linux just needing a computer for college, and now I'm here harassing users, it's a beautiful dream. ;)
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> :p
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> few users complained about slow apt-get update today USA
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> and new security hole out for all ubuntu versions see !usn
[11:48] <cfhowlett> !usn
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> the article about it: http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/canonical-patches-linux-kernel-vulnerability-in-ubuntu-15-10-15-04-14-04-and-12-04-lts-495939.shtml
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> !wayland
[12:55] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj and EriC^^
[12:58] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[13:03] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[13:13] <BluesKaj> back on Trusty . Tired of small unreadable fonts on plasma5. Setting the fonts on systemsettings5 as root only works on titlebars , not the toolbars or dialogs on apps requiring root like partition editors etc ....it's a real pita
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> :p
[13:14] <BluesKaj> posting this in #kubuntu-devel as well
[13:17] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: i bought a samsung :P
[13:17] <EriC^^> couldn't find lg with the right stand to be honest though :D
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: wich 1?
[13:17] <EriC^^> it's 1366x768, couldn't find 1920x1080 in 32" size
[13:17] <EriC^^> said none of the suppliers are giving them that
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: nice and happy with quality?
[13:18] <EriC^^> yeah it's nice
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: try a 1080p mkv on it :p
[13:19] <EriC^^> that's not a bad idea
[13:19] <EriC^^> i want to get a hdmi cable today and maybe dvd player
[13:19] <EriC^^> and some usbs and stuff
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> quality of the tv will show best on bluray quality
[13:20] <EriC^^> there's a guy here that sells dvd's for like $1 / movie
[13:20] <EriC^^> yeah
[13:20] <EriC^^> if there's a nice bluray movie i might get one ( i can play it on the ps3 right? )
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: not sure of ps3 dont have one myself
[13:22] <EriC^^> np
[13:22] <EriC^^> how to put on a usb maybe ill try a bit
[13:22] <EriC^^> pretty bored
[13:22] <EriC^^> fat32 and put the movie on it and just plug it in the tv?
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> ntfs for 4gig+ files
[13:22]  * EriC^^ goes to get the usb from the car
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> like if you grab a 9gig mkv
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> it will need ntfs or ext4
[13:27] <EriC^^> mp4 works?
[13:28] <EriC^^> crap usb wont fit
[13:28] <EriC^^> it's 1gb
[13:28] <EriC^^> i'e a 16gb one but it has archlinux on it :/
[13:28] <EriC^^> *i've
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> oh
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: brrip is nice but also 1gig+
[13:29] <EriC^^> i put some scenes from matrix on the usb
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> if its 1080p even a trailer :p
[13:30] <EriC^^> i'll give it a shot to see, if it works, i think ill put on the arch i have it imaged anyways
[13:30] <EriC^^> brb
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> http://www.h264info.com/clips.html
[13:39] <EriC^^> it works!
[13:39] <EriC^^> i wonder if i can just use the external usb drive
[13:40] <EriC^^> just had that idea about to format the other usb
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: yes, but not for subtitles
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: it will play most formats raw
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: unless the subs are builtin
[14:50] <Latrodectus> lotuspsychje: how's your day been going?
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> Latrodectus: fine mate
[14:52] <Latrodectus> that's good
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> how about you Latrodectus
[14:52] <Latrodectus> good so far
[14:53] <Latrodectus> nothing to gripe about
[14:53] <Latrodectus> yet...
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> new security holes out for ubuntu versions
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> !usn
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> and some users have been complaining about US sources slow apt-get update
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> its been slow in #ubuntu today, no other news :p
[14:55] <Latrodectus> lotuspsychje: ty for the update
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> np
[14:56] <Latrodectus> of cource the us sources are slow... murrican internet
[14:56] <Latrodectus> murrican internet -> anything but free
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> :p
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> oh well there is #ubuntu-mirrors for known issues
[14:57] <Latrodectus> yup
[14:57] <Latrodectus> there should almost be a torrent dir for updates
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> that would be alot of work
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> but nice idea
[14:58] <Latrodectus> it would scale with demand
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> true
[14:58] <Latrodectus> but then security would be in the hands or p2p
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks helps seeding torrents i think
[14:58] <Latrodectus> oerheks?
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> yeah check the userlist names
[15:00] <daftykins> afternoon o/
[15:00] <OerHeks> Torrents are safe, you can check the md5sum.
[15:00] <daftykins> hmm sneaky TVs: http://arstechnica.co.uk/security/2015/11/own-a-vizio-smart-tv-its-watching-you/
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins !
[15:00] <OerHeks> and yes, i seed them, but today the average download is low
[15:00] <Latrodectus> OerHeks: but some users don't know how to check hashes...
[15:01] <OerHeks> !md5sum
[15:01] <OerHeks> !hashes
[15:02] <OerHeks> i see this page is up2date, but the picture says 9.04 .. pretty outdated https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BitTorrent
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: cool page
[15:07] <Latrodectus>  ^
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: good evening mate
[15:33]  * TJ- waves the solder
[15:35] <TJ-> I think I've got one of those Abit KV8 mobos in my stores somewhere; I'm going to look, if so, I can test the same scenario as you have
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: ill test it out soon tnx
[15:40] <lotuspsychje> bbl loggin on xenial box
[15:52] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: and the mystery continues lol
[15:53] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: cmos clear and battery out did nothing
[15:53] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: pci/ltd bios options all on default
[15:54] <daftykins> no updates for your board available i take it?
[15:54] <lotus|xenial> daftykins: not sure, but it worked on trusty thats whats weird right
[15:54] <TJ-> And the mobos in my store aren't precisely the same
[15:55] <daftykins> oh yeah
[15:55] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: OK, so we now know it has default settings. Now try altering those LDT settings. First one was to change the Master WS Write to Disabled
[15:55] <lotus|xenial> ok lemme go try that
[15:55] <lotus|xenial> brb
[15:55] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: Oh, and make sure that the WMP600N is actually in PCI1 or PCI2 port
[15:56] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: the first or seconf ontop right
[15:56] <lotus|xenial> or bottom?
[15:56] <TJ-> I think PC1 is nearest the AGP slot, let me check
[15:56] <lotus|xenial> i cant use pci1 as the x800 is a big card
[15:56] <lotus|xenial> pci2 is possible
[15:57] <TJ-> Yes, PCI1 is nearest the AGP slot.
[15:57] <TJ-> Right, PCI2 then :)
[15:57] <lotus|xenial> ok brb lemme change
[15:57] <TJ-> daftykins: I brought that blown SSD back to life today.. amazing what 20p of transistor can do :)
[15:58] <daftykins> :D
[15:58] <daftykins> excellent
[15:58] <daftykins> i like a good resurrection
[16:00] <TJ-> Now all I need is to get the host mobo to boot from USB!
[16:00] <daftykins> there's always plop :>
[16:00] <TJ-> how is that going to help if the BIOS won't read the USB device?
[16:02] <TJ-> its an 'embedded' mobo so no drives hanging off it, so its either USB, PXE, or do the install from another PC, but I'm trying to force it to behave - as it has booted from USB previously. I vaguely recall I had to pull the CMOS battery or something after each successful USB boot
[16:03] <daftykins> oh ok i thought a standard system
[16:03] <daftykins> i thought plop was a bootable CD that can pass over to flash drives was all
[16:06]  * daftykins is preparing for patch tuesday
[16:06] <TJ-> Yes, it does. The issue here is perplexingly different. The BIOS offers about 8 different 'types' of USB-based boot, but the "USB HDD" and other 'HDD' permutations don't work. The 'FDD' permutations sometimes result in a message saying no boot loader found, try again. For all permutations the USB's LED blinks to show the BIOS is accessing it :s
[16:07] <lotus|xenial> LOOOOL
[16:07] <TJ-> I thought MS scrapped the monthly cycle and put them out ad-hoc
[16:07] <lotus|xenial> who wants a kiss?
[16:07] <lotus|xenial> 00:09.0 Network controller [0280]: Ralink corp. RT2800 802.11n PCI [1814:0601]
[16:07] <daftykins> hmm, could it be one of those flash drives that presents as some other mode?
[16:07] <daftykins> eh what solved that? :O
[16:07] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: you did it mate!
[16:08] <lotus|xenial> pci port2 + that master ws write
[16:08]  * TJ- gloes
[16:08] <lotus|xenial> i never tryed port2
[16:08]  * TJ- glows, too :D
[16:08] <daftykins> :D
[16:08] <lotus|xenial> it always stuck in pci3 or pci4
[16:08] <daftykins> it was as simple as placement?
[16:08] <lotus|xenial> yep
[16:09] <lotus|xenial> now driver recognizes it
[16:09] <TJ-> I think more likely the Master Write - putting a delay of 1 cycle on bus accesses
[16:09] <EriC^^> !yay
[16:09] <lotus|xenial> yessss
[16:09] <daftykins> XD
[16:09] <EriC^^> !beer
[16:09] <lotus|xenial> lol
[16:09] <lotus|xenial> now the logic of tthis?
[16:09] <daftykins> ok i'm gonna get a coffee and cake from the coffee shop to celebrate on your behalf, lotus|xenial ;)
[16:09] <lotus|xenial> why did this work on trusty on port3?
[16:10] <TJ-> daftykins: the problem was the first byte read from the PCI config registers had its 2nd nibble corrupted, but when we read the Registers ourselves the content was correct, so it had to be an access issue, and the usual cause is the host reading the registers before the device has got them fully mapped into the host address space
[16:10] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: Because the PCI bus scanning code has gone through a LOT of changes
[16:11] <TJ-> It is now much faster and more parallelised
[16:11] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: what kind of changes?
[16:11] <daftykins> ah-har
[16:11] <daftykins> so it was a race condition in essence?
[16:11] <TJ-> The code was getting to be a mess of quirks so it was re-written cleaner and more flexible
[16:12] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: could you update my bug in your words mate
[16:12] <TJ-> daftykins: kind of, yes, although in this case it was simply the mobo was optimsing hardware reads too much
[16:12] <lotus|xenial> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1513477
[16:12] <TJ-> will do
[16:12] <lotus|xenial> tnx mate
[16:14] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: what should i choose fix commited or fix released
[16:17] <lotus|xenial> EriC^^: hows the mkv doing :p
[16:20] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: I've done it: "Invalid" - since it wasn't a bug in Linux
[16:20] <lotus|xenial> ok
[16:20] <TJ-> I also re-write the bug title to better reflect the issue and to make it easier for others to find it
[16:21] <TJ-> bug 1513477
[16:22] <lotus|xenial> nice
[16:24] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: that "Christopher M. Penalver" is a pain! For the last 3 or 4 years he's had to be constantly told not to take over bugs that devs are working on. There have been so major blow-ups over it in the bug-squad as a result. At one time when I was actually assigned to bugs he'd tell users to do things and change the status and keep on changing even after being asked to stop. I thought he'd
[16:24] <TJ-> gone quiet but he shows up on your bug :D
[16:24] <EriC^^> lotus|xenial: great, watched a couple movies
[16:26] <lotus|xenial> nice nice
[16:26] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: tnx for the bug editing
[16:27] <TJ-> Glad its sorted; it was an interesting one though :)
[16:27] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: driver=rt2800pci driverversion=4.2.0-16-generic firmware=0.34
[16:27] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: to compare with yours
[16:28] <lotus|xenial> im glad ubuntu has nothing to do with it
[16:29] <lotus|xenial> EriC^^: check blackhat brrip, nice movie
[16:29] <EriC^^> will do
[16:30] <EriC^^> i want to go get a hdmi cable today and some usbs and maybe a ps3 game or 2 and maybe a ssd
[16:30] <EriC^^> been saying that for a week though, been lazy :D
[16:30] <lotus|xenial> lool
[16:31] <lotus|xenial> did someone win the lottery :p
[16:31] <EriC^^> tonight's the night though, i'm pretty psyched :P
[16:31] <lotus|xenial> hehe
[16:32] <EriC^^> which ssd do you suggest lotus?
[16:32] <EriC^^> in case i find they have
[16:32] <lotus|xenial> EriC^^: samsung 850 pro 256
[16:32] <lotus|xenial> not the cheaper evo's
[16:32] <EriC^^> ok
[16:33] <EriC^^> any experience with that intel compute stick thingy?
[16:33] <lotus|xenial> EriC^^: didnt test myself no,wy?
[16:33] <EriC^^> oerheks mentioned it and i've been itching to get it if they have it
[16:33] <lotus|xenial> oh i think OerHeks can explain more on it then
[16:33] <lotus|xenial> EriC^^: whats your end goal to do?
[16:34] <lotus|xenial> portable arch?
[16:34] <EriC^^> nah i just thought it would be fun, it's like $120 for a usb pc O.o
[16:34] <EriC^^> like maybe plug it in and watch youtube videos on the tv
[16:35] <OerHeks> there are 2 types, with windows, or without, but without have lower specs AFAIK
[16:35] <EriC^^> it's too handy, handiness vs price is huge
[16:35] <OerHeks> but a stick in hdmi, i don't like it ( without extentioncable)
[16:36] <lotus|xenial> ok dinnertime guys
[16:36] <lotus|xenial> have a great nite
[16:36] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: tnx again for the solve mate
[16:37] <EriC^^> OerHeks: yeah i dont think it will work with the tv, just remembered that, it's too tiny in the back
[16:37] <EriC^^> OerHeks: do you think you could remove windows and install ubuntu to one of those? instead of getting the ubuntu with lower spec?
[16:37] <OerHeks> Sure, why not?
[16:38] <OerHeks> http://liliputing.com/2015/07/simplest-way-to-load-ubuntu-on-intel-compute-stick-with-windows-so-far.html
[16:38] <EriC^^> cool
[16:40] <OerHeks> i would save my money 'till after xmas
[16:40] <OerHeks> jan/feb prices and special offers
[16:44] <OerHeks> btw you all have the new kernel ?
[16:48] <EriC^^> i'm still on 67
[16:49] <EriC^^> low on isp transfer right now
[16:49] <OerHeks> 3.19.0-33-generic #38
[17:00] <TJ-> hmmm, all my equipment must know I have been soldering - 1 of the fridge/freezers has blown the top off a transistor!
[17:04] <daftykins> they're all ganging up for some work to be done :)
[17:04] <TJ-> it feels that way!
[17:04] <daftykins> odd, usually when i take something apart, the rest stop showing quirks for fear of being opened up themselves :>
[17:05] <TJ-> yeah, normally, that is what happens with me
[17:05] <daftykins> yesterday was really odd, i woke up to find my heating on - turned out the dying batteries in the wireless control thermostat had somehow made it decide to run itself
[17:05] <daftykins> somehow no more signal saying "heating off" meant "hey lets run!"
[17:07] <TJ-> because the TY has blown it's cap I can't read the part number, but I think its Z7S Y227 which is SO old I'm going to have fun finding a compatible replacement
[17:07] <daftykins> doh!
[17:07] <daftykins> hey did i hear right that maplin closed down across the UK? we don't have one down here but i thought they did
[17:13] <TJ-> Not that I know of
[17:14] <daftykins> i went in once when the slow blow fuse in my speaker set blew
[17:15] <Latrodectus> i need to buy a soldering kit :(
[17:16] <Latrodectus> and a ominmeter (i think that's what their called)
[17:18] <daftykins> multimeter perhaps
[17:19] <OerHeks> all these appliances blownup ...something to do with all those solarflares lately ?
[17:20] <TJ-> Get a rework station that has hot air and soldering iron
[17:26] <TJ-> I do wish the manufacturers would make it easier to locate the marking codes against the component part number, its actually a Z0107MN/5AA4 Triac.
[17:28] <OerHeks> TJ-, if a triac blows, there is a failure somewhere else too, isn't it?
[17:30] <EriC^^> how much mbps do you need to watch youtube videos without buffering?
[17:31] <OerHeks> sure 5 mbit would be enough
[17:31] <EriC^^> i think i have 24mbps right now or so, but i want to change the internet to use a bigger transfer one, largest they have is 8mbps
[17:32] <EriC^^> ok i guess 6 or 8 then
[17:32] <daftykins> i think most streaming services enjoy 5Mb (megabits) per second for most things
[17:35] <OerHeks> 6 mbit for digital tv
[17:37] <daftykins> come on Microsoft i'm ready for patch Tuesday :P
[17:38] <TJ-> OerHeks: usually, but in this case I know a short caused it. Replacing a thermistor at the same time
[17:41] <OerHeks> oh oke, continue
[17:46] <daftykins> happy to help eating anything good in said fridge whilst it is repaired :>
[17:47] <OerHeks> warm beer is awesome
[17:47] <daftykins> noooo D:
[17:47]  * OerHeks remembers a fishingtrip, beer in the sidepocket for 6 hrs ..
[17:47] <OerHeks> never been that drunk man :-D
[17:50] <daftykins> lemme guess, no fish? :)
[17:52] <EriC^^> is there an easy way to catch a cat?
[17:52] <OerHeks> EriC^^, ... with a fish ?
[17:52] <OerHeks> :-D
[17:52] <EriC^^> lol
[17:53] <OerHeks> cat in heat, are easy
[17:53] <TJ-> well, hope the cops don't chase me... I just hot-wired the freezer :p
[17:53] <OerHeks> I think it is the time now
[17:53]  * daftykins spots TJ- speeding around the fields on a fridge
[17:53] <daftykins> "woohoooooooo!"
[17:53] <TJ-> :D towed by 2 huskies
[17:53] <daftykins> lmao
[17:54] <TJ-> haha - if it don't get fixed I'll turn it into a sled ... just in time for snow :)
[18:07] <TJ-> hmmm, it seems my apple pies have been hacking the freezer :p
[18:08] <daftykins> :O
[18:29] <EriC^^> what's the highest resolution an av cable can carry?
[18:31] <TJ-> "it depends"
[18:32] <OerHeks> for playstation ? http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/videooutput.html
[18:33] <OerHeks> an 3 plug av cable cannot get 1080p, i thought it could do 720 p, but that is not on that page.
[18:33] <daftykins> EriC^^: which kind?
[18:33] <EriC^^> ps3 one
[18:33] <daftykins> single link DVI = 1920x1200 ; HDMI up to 1.4 = 2560x1600; VGA = 2048x1536...
[18:33] <EriC^^> it says 480i
[18:34] <daftykins> oh so non-HDMI?
[18:34] <EriC^^> yeah
[18:34] <daftykins> hehe damn it EriC^^ go to the shop! :D
[18:34] <EriC^^> lol
[18:34] <OerHeks> buy that cable, instead of that intel computestick
[18:34] <EriC^^> yeah
[18:35] <daftykins> back in a tick, the irony of a Linux server VM atop a windows host continues
[18:47] <daftykins> tum-te-tum
[18:47] <TJ-> yes, mine is hungry too
[18:48] <daftykins> :D
[19:48] <EriC^^> got an hdmi cable
[19:48] <EriC^^> yay!
[19:48] <daftykins> \o/
[19:48] <daftykins> now you will see a real quality picture :) what was the standard cable, composite or S-Video?
[19:49] <daftykins> or component even
[19:49] <EriC^^> the av one?
[19:50] <EriC^^> i think it's standard, i never used it though except couple times, i used to have an hdmi cable but it broke a while ago
[19:50] <EriC^^> i like to hook up the pc to it for the music
[19:53] <daftykins> :D
[20:00] <daftykins> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13218371/ <-- plm's xorg log - i've not seen that before
[20:01] <daftykins> i've suggested fglrx being tried, but wonder if it's more critical than that
[20:02] <EriC^^> hmm
[20:03] <EriC^^> maybe fglrx will fix it
[20:23] <OerHeks> Should i stay on 15.04 > donate a donut, should i upgrade, donate 2 donuts.
[20:24] <OerHeks> downgrade to 14.04, 2 donuts & icecream
[20:35]  * daftykins pats LTS
[20:38] <OerHeks> icecream\o/
[20:39] <daftykins> it's getting too cold for ice cream ;_;
[20:43] <wileee> lts lemon truffle syrup makes all ice cream wonderful
[20:45]  * wileee dreams of truffle hunting with a favored swine
[20:45] <Bashing-om> "wonderful" must include the word 'chocolate' in the description .
[20:45] <OerHeks> oh that is why you say lts ..
[20:46] <wileee> true chocolate on dat
[20:48] <Bashing-om> wonderful !
[21:01] <Latrodectus> people should drink the lts coolaid
[21:02] <Bashing-om> physchodelic ^^ ?
[21:02] <daftykins> TJ-: did you mention there was a bug of 15.10 ignoring the interfaces file recently?
[21:03] <OerHeks> hmm #ubuntu is not in the logs ..
[21:05] <wileee> I took the lts little blue pyramids, oh the colors
[21:08] <wileee> not
[21:10] <Bashing-om> wileee: I  did not believe the above, as I know you have better sense . - How could one 'buntu if they are not "there" ?
[21:10] <OerHeks> daftykins, you have been to Chester lately ?
[21:11] <daftykins> OerHeks: never! have to fly to get to England :)
[21:11] <wileee> Bashing-om, I'm always there, just may be one of my many faces.
[21:11] <OerHeks> oh, so this was not you ? http://www.boredpanda.com/public-bench-prank-plaques-chester-council/
[21:11] <wileee> one for every occasion
[21:13] <daftykins> XD
[21:13] <daftykins> those are graet
[21:13] <daftykins> *great
[21:22] <wileee> I like this link from that link, http://www.boredpanda.com/funny-fake-self-help-books-obvious-plant-jeff-wysaski/
[21:23] <OerHeks> i was looking at those smartphone-zombies http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/screens-stealing-soul-sur-fake-antoine-geiger-25.jpg
[21:28] <daftykins> my friends have real problems being 'present' when out and about in public places these days, total slaves to their phones
[21:28] <OerHeks> i don't have friends, they have smartphones, me none.
[21:29] <OerHeks> :-(
[21:29] <OerHeks> i don't count anymore
[21:29] <OerHeks> calling me costs money, they say.
[21:30] <OerHeks> maybe that is why i don't do any effort to get such BQ 5.0 hd
[21:30] <daftykins> :D
[22:45] <JanC> well, the bq 4.5 is cheaper  ;)
[22:46] <OerHeks> 5.0 has a little better batterytime
[22:47] <OerHeks> But helping my mom with bills is a little higher priority, that is the real reason.
[22:49] <wileee> you're a good son ;)
[22:49] <wileee> so I assume, heh
[22:49] <wileee> son*
[22:50] <OerHeks> Well, i like to kick my brother in the <somewhere> as he has a good job, own house etc ... but he has 2 kids too.
[22:51] <OerHeks> oh, they have smartphones.
[22:51] <wileee> heh, diabolical
[22:52] <OerHeks> and oke, it makes me proud, she was there for us all these years, now it is our turn.
[22:53] <OerHeks> ( he does legal work for her, that can be expensive too)
[22:53] <wileee> common theme in many cultures, most really population wise, The US fails here among a few others
[22:54] <OerHeks> True, some old people never see their kids, maybe once a month or less.. i live 10 km from her house, 40 minutes on my bicycle.
[22:56] <wileee> my mom and I are not even talking now, her choice, an only child here, never really attached emotionally past about 10 yrs old, my family rarely contacts each other
[22:56] <wileee> welcome to the US, lol
[23:08] <OerHeks> daftykins, that meles is on trusty, kernel 4.0.0-040000-generic is not for trusty, even after removal of nvidia 352 .. is it worth looking into that?
[23:08] <OerHeks> and that ppa, https://launchpad.net/~beineri/+archive/ubuntu/opt-qt55-trusty
[23:08] <OerHeks> ...
[23:09] <daftykins> OerHeks: i'd rather the guy weren't using a mainline, just being really stubborn since the 3.13 didn't support his laptop i think. haswell and broadwell based machine, so super recent
[23:10] <OerHeks> that kernel wants systemD, no?
[23:11] <daftykins> i don't think that's an issue for testing against 14.04, should be alright
[23:12] <OerHeks> ke
[23:13] <daftykins> bah my nice new disk enclosure stopped working >8\
[23:13]  * OerHeks blames sunflares
[23:18] <TJ-> Just looked at this meles issue - I *think* it looks like the opengl compiz plugin missing
[23:24] <daftykins> sounds like a plan, i'm playing with my drive enclosure now =|
[23:25] <TJ-> lost power, or stopped responding on the interface?
[23:51] <daftykins> pops up on my PC just fine, but it's a storage drive for use with my xbox one
[23:51] <daftykins> unfortunately in their wisdom, the things use a modified MBR so that they're not readable as standard from a PC
[23:54] <TJ-> strange
[23:58] <daftykins> argh there's a disk browser available but it's hidden behind a scene FTP