[05:23] <hikiko> hello :)
[06:13] <pitti> Good morning
[07:29] <hikiko> Trevinho, thanks for the review, I've fixed it: https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/unity/unity.fixed-tests-wwarnings/+merge/275801 could you get another look? :)
[07:29] <hikiko> +good morning pitti :)
[07:29] <pitti> hey hikiko!
[07:31] <happyaron> morning hikiko and pitti, :)
[07:31] <hikiko> morning happyaron :)
[08:09] <Trevinho> Morning
[08:09] <Trevinho> hikiko: sure
[08:51] <willcooke> morning
[08:52] <hikiko> hello willcooke
[08:52] <darkxst> hey willcooke, hikiko
[08:52] <hikiko> hi darkxst
[08:53] <willcooke> french holiday today
[08:53] <darkxst> Ive had a holiday all week with my bung leg ;(
[08:53] <willcooke> :(
[08:53] <willcooke> "holiday"
[08:54] <darkxst> yeh, more like detention, can't really even walk
[08:55] <willcooke> oh man, that sucks
[08:56] <willcooke> hope you're feeling better soon
[08:56] <pitti> darkxst: erk, what happened? get well soon!
[08:56] <hikiko> get well soon darkxst
[08:57] <darkxst> pitti, though it was a strained calf muscle but doctors decided it was a blood clot in my
[08:57] <darkxst> ^my leg
[08:58] <darkxst> atleast that is what the ultrasound said
[08:59] <hikiko> :/
[09:01] <darkxst> now waiting on like 20 blood tests, because they don't know what caused it
[09:01] <pitti> darkxst: argh, thrombosis? my wife had that twice, it's rather rangerous
[09:01] <Laney> morning
[09:02] <hikiko> hi Laney
[09:02] <darkxst> pitti, yes, dad died from it
[09:03] <pitti> hey Laney, how are you?
[09:03] <darkxst> pitti, though the dr's arent so concerned about the existing clot, but more, why its seemingly unprovacoted
[09:04] <pitti> darkxst: yeah, it's really hard to find the cause, this is usually just guesswork; can't blame it on the pill for you either
[09:06] <darkxst> pitti, I suppose I will find out from the blood tests if it was hereditary
[09:09] <darkxst> Laney, larsu, any more progress on gtk?
[09:11] <Laney> what kind of progress are you after?
[09:11] <Laney> hey hikiko pitti darkxst!
[09:11]  * Laney is going good, got coffee AND tea :)
[09:11] <Laney> pitti: how are you?
[09:12] <pitti> Laney: quite fine, thanks! I'm getting better and better fighting jetlag in this direction :)
[09:12] <Laney> \o/
[09:12] <pitti> Laney: btw, yesterday I worked a bit on better tmpfail handling
[09:12] <Laney> you already had a quite effective method, I recall
[09:12] <Laney> oh?
[09:13] <pitti> Laney: if a worker now gets a tmpfail three times in a row, it kills itself, mails us, and the request gets back into the queue
[09:13] <pitti> Laney: this will (1) avoid tests actually failing with tmpfail permanently and thus us having to rm pending.txt
[09:14] <pitti> Laney: (2) automatically dial down the number of workers if we keep hitting quota issues
[09:14] <pitti> and finally, (3) tell us immediately if some cloud has gone bonkers again, as the mailed log should now have reasonably sufficient information what went wrong
[09:15] <pitti> Laney: i. e. the test log for the third tmpfail now goes into the worker log (as it's not on swift any more anywhere)
[09:15] <pitti> Laney: i. e. over night we saw three workers die with "no machine available", so the other 5 just happily went on
[09:16] <pitti> Laney: I also taught the worker to stop on SIGTERM (upstart job won't auto-restart) and restart on SIGHUP (through upstart job); I'll document that on the wiki
[09:17] <darkxst> Laney, like landing? needed for gnome-session \
[09:18] <Laney> darkxst: have you tried rmadison -s xenial libgtk-3-0 lately?
[09:18] <Laney> pitti: Ah nice, I like the auto re-queuing
[09:19] <Laney> shame the cloud is a bit wobbly still for this workload
[09:19] <pitti> Laney: yeah, was a bit pointless having to manually requeue them, but it made sense in the beginning to better see what goes wrong instead of silently papering over it
[09:20] <pitti> Laney: lcy01 is dead, lgw01 acted up on Monday (but sent an RT, got fixed)
[09:20] <pitti> lgw01 and bos01 seem to behave, except that on bos01 I often get these "not enough available machines" thingy
[09:20] <darkxst> Laney, no, Ive been incapictated most of the week ;(
[09:21] <Laney> pitti: I learned about "nova absolute-limits" the other day - I wonder if we could use that to dynamically scale the number of workers
[09:21] <pitti> Laney: but let's hope the worker is now robust enough to deal with this; so we now mainly need to react to workers going down, and restart them to get back to full capacity (unless the cloud is permanently broken)
[09:21] <Laney> Not sure if there's a corresponding thing for available instances
[09:21] <pitti> Laney: absolute-limits shows curr/max instances too
[09:21] <pitti> yes, it's rather useful
[09:21] <Laney> available -> cloud capacity
[09:21] <Laney> not my quota
[09:21] <pitti> Laney: yeah, that'd be useful
[09:21] <pitti> oh, right
[09:22] <Laney> both things would be good probably
[09:22] <pitti> Laney: ATM the autopkgtest-worker-launch upstart job just launches 8, and I manually launch ppc64el instances 9 to 15
[09:22] <pitti> using quota/absolute-limits for that would be much better indeed
[09:22] <pitti> although that won't help on bos01
[09:23] <pitti> while we have 25 instances, we must split them between ppc64el (max 15) and i386/amd64 (max 10)
[09:23] <pitti> it doesn't show us the instances per arch
[09:24] <pitti> Laney: so I guess starting $lots workers and let the right number of them auto-die on quota limit works reasonably well ATM
[09:24] <Laney> true
[09:25] <pitti> perhaps we could give them some "try auto-respawning after 6 hours" gimmick
[09:25] <pitti> the badge of reincarnation
[09:28] <Laney> the phoenix award
[09:29] <pitti> "I'm not quite dead yet!" ♩ ♪
[09:29] <pitti> ok, retries for last night's flood of uninstallability failures are looking good
[09:30] <darkxst> pitti, is there a branch for the autopkgtest instances somewhere? we eventually want to be able to run them against the ppa
[09:31] <pitti> darkxst: we actually can run tests against a PPA now; the main issue is that someone/something needs to trigger them, and there's currently no results browser for those
[09:31]  * Laney wades into the libgsl swamp again
[09:31] <pitti> darkxst: all the code is public, yes; what do you mean in particular with "instance"?
[09:31] <Laney> seb128: can we do some demote-to-proposed for this later maybe?
[09:32] <darkxst> pitti,  the bit that runs all the tests
[09:32] <seb128> Laney, sure, give me a list and I can do it
[09:32] <Laney> seb128: thanks, don't have it yet but I think there will be some
[09:32] <seb128> Laney, I'm having a look at libimobiledevice and glew
[09:32] <Laney> more transitions?
[09:32] <Laney> oh also, hi ;-)
[09:32] <seb128> hey ;-)
[09:32] <seb128> yes...
[09:32] <darkxst> pitti, I know I can use adt-run and craft some scripts, but apparently that is already done!
[09:33] <Laney> blerp
[09:33] <pitti> darkxst: so what can be done today is "run test for package gnome-foo against this PPA", and results will appear in swift (publically accessible)
[09:34] <pitti> darkxst: the worker and juju charms are on https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/+git/autopkgtest-cloud?h=master ; debci is its own repo (http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/debci.git), and autopkgtest is http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/autopkgtest/autopkgtest.git
[09:35] <pitti> darkxst: and docs of the whole thing are on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration/AutopkgtestInfrastructure
[09:36] <darkxst> pitti, what
[09:36] <Laney> what
[09:37] <darkxst> Laney, new keyboard is retarded
[09:37] <darkxst> what
[09:37] <pitti> darkxst: I'm happy to point you to more specific bits if you have more specific questions
[09:37] <pitti> *chuckle*
[09:38] <pitti> darkxst, Laney: so for robru's CI train or more generally for PPAs we'll eventually need to install custom britney instances
[09:39] <darkxst> pitti, so i just want the autopkgtests running against gnome3-staging ppa, to warn of test failures, because right now, we don't find those out until upload most of the time\
[09:40] <pitti> darkxst: i. e. essentially you want/need http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html running against the PPA
[09:41] <darkxst> pitti, well more or less, but definately non-blocking though
[09:42] <darkxst> although actually it would be pretty sweet to have the -proposed migration on the ppa
[09:42] <pitti> darkxst: it can't be blocking anyway, as PPAs don't have a concept of "-proposed" themselves; it'd be advisory
[09:43] <pitti> darkxst: i. e. it would run your PPA as "unstable" and consider either devel or devel+devel-proposed as "testing"
[09:43] <pitti> darkxst: depending on whether your PPA builds against devel or devel-proposed
[09:43] <pitti> (there's an option for which pockets to use in the PPA config)
[09:44] <darkxst> pitti, -proposed
[09:44] <pitti> darkxst: right, so you'd want a britney instance which tries to land the PPA ("unstable") onto devel-proposed ("testing")
[09:45] <pitti> darkxst: robru, slangasek, and I started discussing how we could make it easy to set up per-PPA britneys, as we need it for the CI tarin
[09:45] <pitti> train
[09:45] <pitti> darkxst: once that's done, it should be simple to create another instance for the gnome PPA
[09:50] <darkxst> pitti, not ecactly more just want autopkgtests running againts the ppa
[09:51] <andyrock> morning
[09:51] <pitti> darkxst: right, and britney would trigger the right ones and show you the results
[09:51] <pitti> darkxst: it wouldn't actually promote packages for you
[09:51] <pitti> darkxst: i. e. it would work like for stable releases (e. g. http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/trusty/update_excuses.html)
[09:52] <pitti> where it runs installability and autopkgtests, but not move packages
[09:52] <darkxst> pitti, yes that is fine, if want packages to actually be promoted into the archives we need a seperate ppa for that
[09:54] <darkxst> but then could just use the ci train, one day
[09:55] <darkxst> when the ci train supports git, and we actually have packaging branches
[09:56] <seb128> hey andyrock
[09:56] <willcooke> hey andyrock, seb128.  Is Trevinho online yet?
[09:57] <seb128> hey willcooke
[09:57] <seb128> no idea
[09:57] <andyrock> willcooke yup
[09:57] <willcooke> sorry, that was a question for Trevinho, I shouldn't have tagged it on the hello line :)
[09:57] <andyrock> it was online one hour ago
[09:57] <andyrock> can you give me 5 more min?
[09:58] <willcooke> sure, no hurry
[09:58] <willcooke> andyrock, are you able to go a HO this morning>
[09:58] <willcooke> ?
[09:58] <andyrock> yup
[09:58] <andyrock> at university
[09:59] <andyrock> but I'll find a spot somewhere
[09:59] <willcooke> sure?
[09:59] <andyrock> yup :D
[09:59] <willcooke> oki, then we can try and keep it short
[09:59] <willcooke> hikiko, are you free for a HO in about 10 mins?
[09:59] <willcooke> Trevinho, you free as well? ^
[10:00] <seb128> in 10min wfm, let me make some coffee
[10:00] <darkxst> pitti, eventually we will have git branches on alioth, but its taking forever
[10:02]  * willcooke <--- tea
[10:03] <darkxst> pitti, well I could push them now, but doesnt make a whole lot of sense until pkg-gnome team switch over
[10:04] <darkxst> probably still beter than having no packaging branches though I guess
[10:05] <larsu> good morning! (later today because I was at the gym)
[10:05] <Trevinho> willcooke: oh yeah sorry
[10:06] <Laney> larsu: gym!!!!
[10:06] <Laney> I had you as a "the world is my gym" person :P
[10:07] <larsu> Laney: did you? I noticed I go running less and less due to the weather. But need to move
[10:07] <larsu> actually feel quite nice now
[10:07]  * larsu wonders if he should become a member
[10:08] <Laney> intriguing
[10:08]  * larsu wonders if Laney is sarcastic
[10:08] <Laney> (climb not gym) (climb not gym) (climb not gym)
[10:09] <larsu> haha
[10:09] <larsu> you know they call it a climbing gym as well ;)
[10:10] <Laney> not here :P
[10:10] <Laney> we usually call it a "climbing centre"
[10:10] <larsu> of course
[10:11] <Laney> but actually they often have some training equipment
[10:11] <Laney> like olympic rings and stuff
[10:11] <seb128> hey larsu
[10:11] <larsu> morning seb128
[10:11] <Laney> sometimes even their own gym
[10:11] <larsu> ça va?
[10:11] <seb128> oui, et toi ? ;-)
[10:11] <andyrock> HO link?
[10:11] <willcooke> andyrock, just sent an invite
[10:12] <larsu> seb128: bien, merci
[10:13] <andyrock> k
[10:13] <willcooke> seb128, andyrock, Trevinho - just waiting for hikiko to confirm she can make it and then we can start.  Just a few more minutes....
[10:13] <Trevinho> ok
[10:15] <seb128> k
[10:17] <hikiko> yes
[10:17] <willcooke> great
[10:18] <willcooke> oki, seb128 Trevinho andyrock hikiko:  https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/sprint-kickoff?authuser=0
[10:18] <willcooke> anyone who wants to see how our Agile sprints are going to work, feel free to join ^^^
[10:48] <willcooke> oops, sorry andyrock - I dropped but I heard you speaking...
[10:53] <willcooke> Trello import tool now added to:  https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/+junk/bugtools
[10:53] <willcooke> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/+junk/bugtools/view/head:/import_to_trello.py
[11:26] <seb128> Laney, so calligra depends on glew gsl and poppler
[11:26] <seb128> transition combo validated!
[11:27] <Laney> oh god!
[11:27] <seb128> :-/
[11:27] <Laney> but it actually built
[11:28]  * Laney is in gsl hell
[11:28] <seb128> should we hint britney to try those together?
[11:29] <Laney> isn't it already?
[11:29] <seb128> Trying easy from autohinter: boomaga/0.7.1-1build1 cups-filters/1.1.0-1 gdal/1.11.2+dfsg-3ubuntu4 ipe-tools/20150406-3build1 libreoffice/1:5.0.2-0ubuntu4 pdf2djvu/0.9.2-3build1 pdf2htmlex/0.14.6+ds-1build1 poppler/0.37.0-0ubuntu1 popplerkit.framework/0.0.20051227svn-7.1build7 texlive-bin/2015.20150524.37493-7build1 xpdf/3.03-17ubuntu3
[11:29] <seb128> is the most bottom poppler mention
[11:29] <Laney> you probably want the first one
[11:29] <seb128> but maybe I still don't grasp that log :p
[11:29] <seb128> k, I though the most bottom one was the one to look at
[11:30] <Laney> i think it starts with the biggest
[11:31] <seb128> k
[13:00] <flexiondotorg> Laney, I'd like to reintroduce gir1.2-wnck-1.0 into libwnck because there is a new MATE component that requires it.
[13:00] <flexiondotorg> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libwnck/+changelog
[13:01] <flexiondotorg> Laney, Shall I just provide a debdiff for libwnck in Ubuntu?
[13:01] <flexiondotorg> And file a sponsorship request?
[13:01] <Laney> Is this component going to go into Debian?
[13:01] <flexiondotorg> Yes.
[13:01] <flexiondotorg> I have to do it in Debian also.
[13:01] <Laney> You know the answer. :P
[13:02] <flexiondotorg> But libwnck doesn't sync from Debian does it?
[13:02] <Laney> It probably could/should do
[13:02] <Laney> I guess there was just no benefit or motivation
[13:02] <flexiondotorg> Benefit or motivation for what?
[13:02] <Laney> syncing/merging
[13:03] <flexiondotorg> OK, I'll do the work in Debian and request a sync/merge.
[13:03] <Laney> Basically, get it reintroduced there and then we can merge the package
[13:03] <flexiondotorg> Laney, Thanks.
[13:03] <Laney> Can help you sponsor it if you need that (e.g. if sunweaver doesn't want to)
[13:03] <flexiondotorg> sunweaver will upload the mate-dock-applet but isn't able to help with libwnck.
[13:04] <Laney> or whoever
[13:27] <qengho> howdy, y'all.
[13:29] <pitti> Laney: epic worker breakage> oops, I think that was me sending in a broken package name, I'll fix that and restart
[14:00] <willcooke> another theme fix:  http://imgur.com/a4dTPWw
[14:00] <willcooke> in the works
[14:01] <willcooke> but notice that the close icons don't have a light background when the Gedit window isn't focused anymore
[14:01] <willcooke> like they do in the terminal window
[14:01] <willcooke> I found the :backdrop selector after a lot of searching
[14:01] <willcooke> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/tree/gtk/gtkcssselector.c?id=3.6.4#n428
[14:01] <willcooke> \o/
[14:18] <Laney> hey qengho
[14:34] <robski> tkamppeter, I was given your name by Laney in #ubuntu-motu
[14:34] <robski> You would be the person looking after the CUPS package for Ubuntu ?
[15:04] <robski> hi all
[15:04] <robski> anyone here who is somehow dealing with the CUPS package in Ubuntu ?
[15:04] <willcooke> robski, tkamppeter is your man, looks like he's just timed out.  He'll be back
[15:06] <Laney> robski: You could email him if you don't manage to get on at the same time too (till.kamppeter@gmail.com it seems to be)
[15:07] <robski> thx again Laney ;-)
[15:12] <willcooke> larsu, how can I start the inspector in gnome-terminal?
[15:26] <willcooke> larsu, actually, ignore.  I'm going to install X on my test machine where i expect it will just work because terminal is newer
[15:41] <willcooke> Can someone on X do:  In Terminal: Edit -> Preferences -> Profiles -> Highlight Unnamed -> Edit
[15:44] <pitti> Highlight?
[15:44] <willcooke> click on, make sure it's selected
[15:44] <willcooke> it should be anyway
[15:44] <willcooke> oh
[15:44] <willcooke> but before you do
[15:44] <pitti> in which tab is this?
[15:44]  * pitti tries to find it in the German translation
[15:44] <willcooke> if it's the same as mine it will crash
[15:45] <willcooke> I guess Edit any one will do the same
[15:45] <pitti> in Colors?
[15:45] <willcooke> For me Edit -> Prefs -> Edit crashes the termianl
[15:45] <pitti> I have Profiles → {Unnamed, profile settings}
[15:45] <pitti> unnamed is already selected, profile settings brings up a dialog which works
[15:45] <Laney> This works on 3.16
[15:46] <Laney> Maybe it broke in the update
[15:46] <pitti> willcooke: do I need two profiles for this?
[15:46] <pitti> I only have one "Unnamed" one
[15:46] <willcooke> pitti, same here, only one.  But its opening the edit window which causes the crash
[15:47] <pitti> ah, I have gtk 3.18, but presumably I haven't restarted my session yet today
[15:47] <Laney> I mean gnome-terminal 3.18
[15:47]  * Laney is upgrading to check
[15:47]  * pitti tries in a guest session
[15:47] <pitti> 2015-11-05 06:25:15 status installed gnome-terminal:amd64 3.18.1-1ubuntu1
[15:48] <pitti> nah, that's ancient, over a week old already
[15:48] <pitti> so that's not it
[15:48]  * Laney isn't on it
[15:48] <pitti> I thought you meant gtk
[15:48] <Laney> and I am on gtk 3.18, been running that since october already :P
[15:48] <pitti> eh, guest session crashes
[15:48] <willcooke> same here, guest session crashes
[15:48] <Laney> yeah seb128 said that
[15:49] <Laney> assuming he is looking into it ... :)
[15:49]  * Laney runs
[15:49] <willcooke> :)
[15:49]  * willcooke looks to see if there is already a bug
[15:49] <pitti> there, freshly booted with xenial dist-upgraded 5 mins ago
[15:49] <pitti> with gtk 3.18
[15:50] <pitti> willcooke: so, I can't reproduce your terminal edit bug; in the "Profiles" menu there's a selector for the profile which is completely inert (as there's only one profile), and the "Profile settings"
[15:50] <larsu> willcooke: you can also always start an app with GTK_DEBUG=interactive set, which pops up the inspector immediately
[15:50]  * Laney feeds dpkg some hamsters
[15:51] <larsu> willcooke: (sorry for the long time to reply, had no net)
[15:51] <Laney> larsu: not for gnome-terminal
[15:51] <willcooke> erk, now my terminal menu has vanished :)
[15:51] <larsu> Laney: not even for gnome-terminal-server
[15:51] <larsu> ?
[15:51] <Laney> yes
[15:51] <Laney> yes I mean I assume that works
[15:51] <willcooke> larsu, yeah I tried that, as laney said didn't work
[15:52] <Laney> but the instruction to just start an app is misleading in this case
[15:52] <larsu> indeed
[15:52] <larsu> can't even start it from the preferences window
[15:52] <Laney> [1]    25554 segmentation fault (core dumped)  /usr/lib/gnome-terminal/gnome-terminal-server --app-id=com.foo
[15:53] <larsu> is g-t doing something speciual again???
[15:53] <Laney> ROBERT UNDERSCORE ANCELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
[15:53] <larsu> what crashes?
[15:53] <willcooke> http://www.imgur.com/42lXbWH
[15:54] <willcooke> If I click Edit there it crashes terminal
[15:54] <Laney> I'll look
[15:54] <pitti> wow, how do you get there
[15:54] <Laney> this definitely broke in the 3.18 update
[15:55] <willcooke> Shall I open a bug?
[15:55] <Laney> no
[15:56] <pitti> great, now I have two "unnamed" profiles
[15:56] <pitti> how do I get the profile editor?
[15:56] <Laney> Edit -> Preferences -> Profiles
[15:57] <pitti> oh, in the menu
[15:57] <pitti> thanks
[15:58] <pitti> yep, got it
[15:58]  * pitti waves good evening
[15:58] <willcooke> o/
[16:19] <willcooke> larsu, those theme changes are nasty on X
[16:19] <willcooke> fixing....
[16:19] <robski> hi tkamppeter, I did sent you an email regarding CUPS package , could you pls have a glimpse ?
[16:24] <Laney> gnome-terminal is uploaded
[16:25] <larsu> I think we do have found a new maintainer for the theme :D
[16:26] <willcooke> it's making me sad now
[16:26] <willcooke> :)
[16:27] <larsu> haha
[16:27] <willcooke> I guess I'll get faster as I learn more, but right now it's taking me a looooong time to find the right selectors
[16:27] <willcooke> Presumably I only need to make sure it works on 16.04 right?  Like, if it breaks 15.10 then we just don't include it there?
[16:27] <tkamppeter> robski, found it, will have a look.
[16:27] <robski> thx
[16:42] <Laney> seb128: I think this is the list of stuff to remove/demote http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13228592/
[16:43] <Laney> some of the things are in xenial-proposed already and FTBFS... I guess in that case just remove from xenial release?
[16:43] <Laney> that's packages which ftbfs and reverse-depends src:pkg ; reverse-depends -b src:pkg
[16:46] <Laney> but please do check I didn't mess it up
[17:40] <seb128> Laney, k, going to have a look tomorrow morning
[17:41] <Laney> thanks!
[17:41] <seb128> yw!
[17:41] <Laney> going to get this one done
[17:41] <Laney> if it kills me >:|
[17:48] <czajkowski> Laney: awww we don't want that to ever happen
[17:48] <Laney> I was imagining a scene in 70 years time (!!!)
[17:48] <Laney> me on my death bed
[17:48] <Laney> phone goes off
[17:49] <Laney> [ubuntu/85.04] gsl 2.0+dfsg-1ubuntu1 (Accepted)
[17:50]  * Laney dies happy
[17:52] <czajkowski> Laney: we need to work on your death bed scene!
[17:52] <czajkowski> if that;s the final think you think of you need to ge tout more
[17:53] <Laney> Make sure you get my number of uploads engraved on my headstone
[17:53] <czajkowski> am sure many of you are going to FOSDEM, just a reminder a lot of the CFPs close this month
[17:53] <Laney> Here lies Laney, core-dev, DD, <tiny> father, husband </tiny>
[17:54] <czajkowski> Laney: lost for words!
[17:55] <Laney> oh and include my GPG key on a USB stick
[17:55] <Laney> need to upload from the next world
[17:56] <czajkowski> Laney: burried with laptop bike and usb stick, sorted
[17:56] <Laney> :)
[18:57] <ogra_> heh
[18:58]  * ogra_ would have expected Laney to be the type of guy who puts "HTTP: 410" on his headstone
[19:02] <willcooke> :D
[19:02] <willcooke> ARGH!!!!!!  Gtk's css is driving me up the wall.  CSS which works in the inspector then stops working when loaded from the theme
[19:02] <Laney> :D
[19:02] <willcooke> It must be some specificity thing
[19:03]  * Laney has dodged it so far, mostly
[19:03] <willcooke> gedit on X crashes quite a lot when I poke at it with the inspector as well which isn't helping
[19:03] <willcooke> hey ho, it's all good fun
[19:04]  * Laney is off now, ttyl
[19:04] <willcooke> cya Laney
[19:04] <Laney> have fun willcooke
[19:05] <willcooke> Laney, fixed!!!!!!!!!!!!one six
[19:55] <willcooke> son of a....
[19:55] <willcooke> *now* I've fixed i
[19:55] <willcooke> t
[20:03] <willcooke>  /* XXX temporary */  <--- who was this?!??!
[20:06] <willcooke> desrt, attente - are you guys off today as well?
[20:06] <attente> i'm here
[20:06] <willcooke> Isn't it a public holiday for you too?
[20:06] <attente> i don't believe so
[20:06] <willcooke> kk
[20:06] <desrt> no holiday for me
[20:06] <desrt> (afaik)
[20:07] <willcooke> ah,  I see now.. except ON - which is what you guys are right?
[20:07] <desrt> there was some talk of it last year around this time, i think
[20:07] <attente> yes
[20:07] <desrt> some provinces have it, but it's not a federal thing
[20:07] <willcooke> That seems awfully unfair
[20:07] <desrt> it's actually OK with me
[20:08] <attente> i think it evens out in the end
[20:08] <desrt> all of the green-team ingress players who work at the government buildings around here have the day off
[20:08] <willcooke> XD
[20:08] <desrt> so the neighbourhood is nice and blue for a change
[20:08] <attente> except they're out in the rest of the city changing other things green
[20:08] <desrt> not my concern :)
[20:09] <desrt> during the normal 9-5 weekdays, i swear these people never actually work
[20:09] <willcooke> Ingress hasn't really caught my attention.  I think because I live in the sticks there is no action around me
[20:09] <desrt> ya.  it's tough if there is nothing to do
[20:09] <desrt> but i have the opposite problem
[20:10] <desrt> i live in a constant war zone.  it sucks.
[20:10] <willcooke> Do you guys have any ideas as to why the CSS I put in the inspector works fine but when I load it from the theme is doesnt work at all
[20:10] <willcooke> ?
[20:11] <desrt> precedence?
[20:11] <willcooke> So I should try and load it as late as possible?
[20:11] <desrt> the inspector has very high precedence
[20:11] <willcooke> Can I help that with being more selective in my selectors?
[20:11] <attente> does the theme need to be re-compiled?
[20:11] <desrt> are you doing it via a custom-loaded .css file or the theme, proper?
[20:12]  * desrt isn't super-familiar with css rules on this stuff
[20:12] <willcooke> I'm copying it in to the theme's gedit.css file and then reloading gedit
[20:12] <desrt> gedit.css is a resource, right?
[20:12] <willcooke> yeah, it gets included
[20:12] <willcooke> lemme see where
[20:13] <willcooke> gtk-main.css imports it
[20:13] <desrt> gtk-main.css imports gedit.css?
[20:13] <willcooke> I could try and move gedit to the end, see if that helps...
[20:13]  * desrt raises eyebrow
[20:13] <willcooke> ya
[20:13] <willcooke> line 61
[20:14] <willcooke> /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/gtk-3.0/gtk-main.css
[20:14]  * desrt feels ill
[20:14] <willcooke> oh
[20:15] <willcooke> hold on
[20:15] <willcooke> oh, no ignore
[20:49] <willcooke> \o/
[20:49] <willcooke> I had to use a very long selector but now it works
[21:55] <willcooke> Alright - I am fairly victorious
[21:55] <willcooke> but now I'm not happy with the colour scheme
[21:55] <TheMuso> Oh hey willcooke. :)
[21:55] <willcooke> hey TheMuso!
[21:55] <willcooke> I'm learnding
[21:56] <willcooke> I'm going to call it a day now and carry on playing in the morning
[21:56] <willcooke> ta ta