=== Pharmasolin1 is now known as Pharmasolin === Pharmasolin1 is now known as Pharmasolin === Pharmasolin1 is now known as Pharmasolin === Pharmasolin1 is now known as Pharmasolin === Pharmasolin1 is now known as Pharmasolin [05:23] hello :) [06:13] Good morning [07:29] Trevinho, thanks for the review, I've fixed it: https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/unity/unity.fixed-tests-wwarnings/+merge/275801 could you get another look? :) [07:29] +good morning pitti :) [07:29] hey hikiko! [07:31] morning hikiko and pitti, :) [07:31] morning happyaron :) [08:09] Morning [08:09] hikiko: sure [08:51] morning [08:52] hello willcooke [08:52] hey willcooke, hikiko [08:52] hi darkxst [08:53] french holiday today [08:53] Ive had a holiday all week with my bung leg ;( [08:53] :( [08:53] "holiday" [08:54] yeh, more like detention, can't really even walk [08:55] oh man, that sucks [08:56] hope you're feeling better soon [08:56] darkxst: erk, what happened? get well soon! [08:56] get well soon darkxst [08:57] pitti, though it was a strained calf muscle but doctors decided it was a blood clot in my [08:57] ^my leg [08:58] atleast that is what the ultrasound said [08:59] :/ [09:01] now waiting on like 20 blood tests, because they don't know what caused it [09:01] darkxst: argh, thrombosis? my wife had that twice, it's rather rangerous [09:01] morning [09:02] hi Laney [09:02] pitti, yes, dad died from it [09:03] hey Laney, how are you? [09:03] pitti, though the dr's arent so concerned about the existing clot, but more, why its seemingly unprovacoted [09:04] darkxst: yeah, it's really hard to find the cause, this is usually just guesswork; can't blame it on the pill for you either [09:06] pitti, I suppose I will find out from the blood tests if it was hereditary [09:09] Laney, larsu, any more progress on gtk? [09:11] what kind of progress are you after? [09:11] hey hikiko pitti darkxst! [09:11] * Laney is going good, got coffee AND tea :) [09:11] pitti: how are you? [09:12] Laney: quite fine, thanks! I'm getting better and better fighting jetlag in this direction :) [09:12] \o/ [09:12] Laney: btw, yesterday I worked a bit on better tmpfail handling [09:12] you already had a quite effective method, I recall [09:12] oh? [09:13] Laney: if a worker now gets a tmpfail three times in a row, it kills itself, mails us, and the request gets back into the queue [09:13] Laney: this will (1) avoid tests actually failing with tmpfail permanently and thus us having to rm pending.txt [09:14] Laney: (2) automatically dial down the number of workers if we keep hitting quota issues [09:14] and finally, (3) tell us immediately if some cloud has gone bonkers again, as the mailed log should now have reasonably sufficient information what went wrong [09:15] Laney: i. e. the test log for the third tmpfail now goes into the worker log (as it's not on swift any more anywhere) [09:15] Laney: i. e. over night we saw three workers die with "no machine available", so the other 5 just happily went on [09:16] Laney: I also taught the worker to stop on SIGTERM (upstart job won't auto-restart) and restart on SIGHUP (through upstart job); I'll document that on the wiki [09:17] Laney, like landing? needed for gnome-session \ [09:18] darkxst: have you tried rmadison -s xenial libgtk-3-0 lately? [09:18] pitti: Ah nice, I like the auto re-queuing [09:19] shame the cloud is a bit wobbly still for this workload [09:19] Laney: yeah, was a bit pointless having to manually requeue them, but it made sense in the beginning to better see what goes wrong instead of silently papering over it [09:20] Laney: lcy01 is dead, lgw01 acted up on Monday (but sent an RT, got fixed) [09:20] lgw01 and bos01 seem to behave, except that on bos01 I often get these "not enough available machines" thingy [09:20] Laney, no, Ive been incapictated most of the week ;( [09:21] pitti: I learned about "nova absolute-limits" the other day - I wonder if we could use that to dynamically scale the number of workers [09:21] Laney: but let's hope the worker is now robust enough to deal with this; so we now mainly need to react to workers going down, and restart them to get back to full capacity (unless the cloud is permanently broken) [09:21] Not sure if there's a corresponding thing for available instances [09:21] Laney: absolute-limits shows curr/max instances too [09:21] yes, it's rather useful [09:21] available -> cloud capacity [09:21] not my quota [09:21] Laney: yeah, that'd be useful [09:21] oh, right [09:22] both things would be good probably [09:22] Laney: ATM the autopkgtest-worker-launch upstart job just launches 8, and I manually launch ppc64el instances 9 to 15 [09:22] using quota/absolute-limits for that would be much better indeed [09:22] although that won't help on bos01 [09:23] while we have 25 instances, we must split them between ppc64el (max 15) and i386/amd64 (max 10) [09:23] it doesn't show us the instances per arch [09:24] Laney: so I guess starting $lots workers and let the right number of them auto-die on quota limit works reasonably well ATM [09:24] true [09:25] perhaps we could give them some "try auto-respawning after 6 hours" gimmick [09:25] the badge of reincarnation === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [09:28] the phoenix award [09:29] "I'm not quite dead yet!" ♩ ♪ [09:29] ok, retries for last night's flood of uninstallability failures are looking good [09:30] pitti, is there a branch for the autopkgtest instances somewhere? we eventually want to be able to run them against the ppa [09:31] darkxst: we actually can run tests against a PPA now; the main issue is that someone/something needs to trigger them, and there's currently no results browser for those [09:31] * Laney wades into the libgsl swamp again [09:31] darkxst: all the code is public, yes; what do you mean in particular with "instance"? [09:31] seb128: can we do some demote-to-proposed for this later maybe? [09:32] pitti, the bit that runs all the tests [09:32] Laney, sure, give me a list and I can do it [09:32] seb128: thanks, don't have it yet but I think there will be some [09:32] Laney, I'm having a look at libimobiledevice and glew [09:32] more transitions? [09:32] oh also, hi ;-) [09:32] hey ;-) [09:32] yes... [09:32] pitti, I know I can use adt-run and craft some scripts, but apparently that is already done! [09:33] blerp [09:33] darkxst: so what can be done today is "run test for package gnome-foo against this PPA", and results will appear in swift (publically accessible) [09:34] darkxst: the worker and juju charms are on https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/+git/autopkgtest-cloud?h=master ; debci is its own repo (http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/debci.git), and autopkgtest is http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/autopkgtest/autopkgtest.git [09:35] darkxst: and docs of the whole thing are on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration/AutopkgtestInfrastructure [09:36] pitti, what [09:36] what [09:37] Laney, new keyboard is retarded [09:37] what [09:37] darkxst: I'm happy to point you to more specific bits if you have more specific questions [09:37] *chuckle* [09:38] darkxst, Laney: so for robru's CI train or more generally for PPAs we'll eventually need to install custom britney instances [09:39] pitti, so i just want the autopkgtests running against gnome3-staging ppa, to warn of test failures, because right now, we don't find those out until upload most of the time\ [09:40] darkxst: i. e. essentially you want/need http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html running against the PPA [09:41] pitti, well more or less, but definately non-blocking though [09:42] although actually it would be pretty sweet to have the -proposed migration on the ppa [09:42] darkxst: it can't be blocking anyway, as PPAs don't have a concept of "-proposed" themselves; it'd be advisory [09:43] darkxst: i. e. it would run your PPA as "unstable" and consider either devel or devel+devel-proposed as "testing" [09:43] darkxst: depending on whether your PPA builds against devel or devel-proposed [09:43] (there's an option for which pockets to use in the PPA config) [09:44] pitti, -proposed [09:44] darkxst: right, so you'd want a britney instance which tries to land the PPA ("unstable") onto devel-proposed ("testing") [09:45] darkxst: robru, slangasek, and I started discussing how we could make it easy to set up per-PPA britneys, as we need it for the CI tarin [09:45] train [09:45] darkxst: once that's done, it should be simple to create another instance for the gnome PPA [09:50] pitti, not ecactly more just want autopkgtests running againts the ppa [09:51] morning [09:51] darkxst: right, and britney would trigger the right ones and show you the results [09:51] darkxst: it wouldn't actually promote packages for you [09:51] darkxst: i. e. it would work like for stable releases (e. g. http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/trusty/update_excuses.html) [09:52] where it runs installability and autopkgtests, but not move packages [09:52] pitti, yes that is fine, if want packages to actually be promoted into the archives we need a seperate ppa for that [09:54] but then could just use the ci train, one day [09:55] when the ci train supports git, and we actually have packaging branches [09:56] hey andyrock [09:56] hey andyrock, seb128. Is Trevinho online yet? [09:57] hey willcooke [09:57] no idea [09:57] willcooke yup [09:57] sorry, that was a question for Trevinho, I shouldn't have tagged it on the hello line :) [09:57] it was online one hour ago [09:57] can you give me 5 more min? [09:58] sure, no hurry [09:58] andyrock, are you able to go a HO this morning> [09:58] ? [09:58] yup [09:58] at university [09:59] but I'll find a spot somewhere [09:59] sure? [09:59] yup :D [09:59] oki, then we can try and keep it short [09:59] hikiko, are you free for a HO in about 10 mins? [09:59] Trevinho, you free as well? ^ [10:00] in 10min wfm, let me make some coffee [10:00] pitti, eventually we will have git branches on alioth, but its taking forever [10:02] * willcooke <--- tea [10:03] pitti, well I could push them now, but doesnt make a whole lot of sense until pkg-gnome team switch over [10:04] probably still beter than having no packaging branches though I guess [10:05] good morning! (later today because I was at the gym) [10:05] willcooke: oh yeah sorry [10:06] larsu: gym!!!! [10:06] I had you as a "the world is my gym" person :P [10:07] Laney: did you? I noticed I go running less and less due to the weather. But need to move [10:07] actually feel quite nice now [10:07] * larsu wonders if he should become a member [10:08] intriguing [10:08] * larsu wonders if Laney is sarcastic [10:08] (climb not gym) (climb not gym) (climb not gym) [10:09] haha [10:09] you know they call it a climbing gym as well ;) [10:10] not here :P [10:10] we usually call it a "climbing centre" [10:10] of course [10:11] but actually they often have some training equipment [10:11] like olympic rings and stuff [10:11] hey larsu [10:11] morning seb128 [10:11] sometimes even their own gym [10:11] ça va? [10:11] oui, et toi ? ;-) [10:11] HO link? [10:11] andyrock, just sent an invite [10:12] seb128: bien, merci [10:13] k [10:13] seb128, andyrock, Trevinho - just waiting for hikiko to confirm she can make it and then we can start. Just a few more minutes.... [10:13] ok [10:15] k [10:17] yes [10:17] great [10:18] oki, seb128 Trevinho andyrock hikiko: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/sprint-kickoff?authuser=0 [10:18] anyone who wants to see how our Agile sprints are going to work, feel free to join ^^^ === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [10:48] oops, sorry andyrock - I dropped but I heard you speaking... [10:53] Trello import tool now added to: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/+junk/bugtools [10:53] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/+junk/bugtools/view/head:/import_to_trello.py [11:26] Laney, so calligra depends on glew gsl and poppler [11:26] transition combo validated! [11:27] oh god! [11:27] :-/ [11:27] but it actually built [11:28] * Laney is in gsl hell [11:28] should we hint britney to try those together? [11:29] isn't it already? [11:29] Trying easy from autohinter: boomaga/0.7.1-1build1 cups-filters/1.1.0-1 gdal/1.11.2+dfsg-3ubuntu4 ipe-tools/20150406-3build1 libreoffice/1:5.0.2-0ubuntu4 pdf2djvu/0.9.2-3build1 pdf2htmlex/0.14.6+ds-1build1 poppler/0.37.0-0ubuntu1 popplerkit.framework/0.0.20051227svn-7.1build7 texlive-bin/2015.20150524.37493-7build1 xpdf/3.03-17ubuntu3 [11:29] is the most bottom poppler mention [11:29] you probably want the first one [11:29] but maybe I still don't grasp that log :p [11:29] k, I though the most bottom one was the one to look at [11:30] i think it starts with the biggest [11:31] k === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g === francisco is now known as Guest69743 [13:00] Laney, I'd like to reintroduce gir1.2-wnck-1.0 into libwnck because there is a new MATE component that requires it. [13:00] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libwnck/+changelog [13:01] Laney, Shall I just provide a debdiff for libwnck in Ubuntu? [13:01] And file a sponsorship request? [13:01] Is this component going to go into Debian? [13:01] Yes. [13:01] I have to do it in Debian also. [13:01] You know the answer. :P [13:02] But libwnck doesn't sync from Debian does it? [13:02] It probably could/should do [13:02] I guess there was just no benefit or motivation [13:02] Benefit or motivation for what? [13:02] syncing/merging [13:03] OK, I'll do the work in Debian and request a sync/merge. [13:03] Basically, get it reintroduced there and then we can merge the package [13:03] Laney, Thanks. [13:03] Can help you sponsor it if you need that (e.g. if sunweaver doesn't want to) [13:03] sunweaver will upload the mate-dock-applet but isn't able to help with libwnck. [13:04] or whoever === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === hikiko is now known as hikiko|ln [13:27] howdy, y'all. [13:29] Laney: epic worker breakage> oops, I think that was me sending in a broken package name, I'll fix that and restart === hikiko|ln is now known as hikiko [14:00] another theme fix: http://imgur.com/a4dTPWw [14:00] in the works [14:01] but notice that the close icons don't have a light background when the Gedit window isn't focused anymore [14:01] like they do in the terminal window [14:01] I found the :backdrop selector after a lot of searching [14:01] https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/tree/gtk/gtkcssselector.c?id=3.6.4#n428 [14:01] \o/ [14:18] hey qengho === Tm_Tr is now known as Guest15900 === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:34] tkamppeter, I was given your name by Laney in #ubuntu-motu [14:34] You would be the person looking after the CUPS package for Ubuntu ? [15:04] hi all [15:04] anyone here who is somehow dealing with the CUPS package in Ubuntu ? [15:04] robski, tkamppeter is your man, looks like he's just timed out. He'll be back [15:06] robski: You could email him if you don't manage to get on at the same time too (till.kamppeter@gmail.com it seems to be) [15:07] thx again Laney ;-) [15:12] larsu, how can I start the inspector in gnome-terminal? [15:26] larsu, actually, ignore. I'm going to install X on my test machine where i expect it will just work because terminal is newer === maclin1 is now known as maclin === maclin1 is now known as maclin [15:41] Can someone on X do: In Terminal: Edit -> Preferences -> Profiles -> Highlight Unnamed -> Edit [15:44] Highlight? [15:44] click on, make sure it's selected [15:44] it should be anyway [15:44] oh [15:44] but before you do [15:44] in which tab is this? [15:44] * pitti tries to find it in the German translation [15:44] if it's the same as mine it will crash [15:45] I guess Edit any one will do the same [15:45] in Colors? [15:45] For me Edit -> Prefs -> Edit crashes the termianl [15:45] I have Profiles → {Unnamed, profile settings} [15:45] unnamed is already selected, profile settings brings up a dialog which works [15:45] This works on 3.16 [15:46] Maybe it broke in the update [15:46] willcooke: do I need two profiles for this? [15:46] I only have one "Unnamed" one [15:46] pitti, same here, only one. But its opening the edit window which causes the crash [15:47] ah, I have gtk 3.18, but presumably I haven't restarted my session yet today [15:47] I mean gnome-terminal 3.18 [15:47] * Laney is upgrading to check [15:47] * pitti tries in a guest session [15:47] 2015-11-05 06:25:15 status installed gnome-terminal:amd64 3.18.1-1ubuntu1 [15:48] nah, that's ancient, over a week old already [15:48] so that's not it [15:48] * Laney isn't on it [15:48] I thought you meant gtk [15:48] and I am on gtk 3.18, been running that since october already :P [15:48] eh, guest session crashes [15:48] same here, guest session crashes [15:48] yeah seb128 said that [15:49] assuming he is looking into it ... :) [15:49] * Laney runs [15:49] :) [15:49] * willcooke looks to see if there is already a bug [15:49] there, freshly booted with xenial dist-upgraded 5 mins ago [15:49] with gtk 3.18 [15:50] willcooke: so, I can't reproduce your terminal edit bug; in the "Profiles" menu there's a selector for the profile which is completely inert (as there's only one profile), and the "Profile settings" [15:50] willcooke: you can also always start an app with GTK_DEBUG=interactive set, which pops up the inspector immediately [15:50] * Laney feeds dpkg some hamsters [15:51] willcooke: (sorry for the long time to reply, had no net) [15:51] larsu: not for gnome-terminal [15:51] erk, now my terminal menu has vanished :) [15:51] Laney: not even for gnome-terminal-server [15:51] ? [15:51] yes [15:51] yes I mean I assume that works [15:51] larsu, yeah I tried that, as laney said didn't work [15:52] but the instruction to just start an app is misleading in this case [15:52] indeed [15:52] can't even start it from the preferences window [15:52] [1] 25554 segmentation fault (core dumped) /usr/lib/gnome-terminal/gnome-terminal-server --app-id=com.foo [15:53] is g-t doing something speciual again??? [15:53] ROBERT UNDERSCORE ANCELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL [15:53] what crashes? [15:53] http://www.imgur.com/42lXbWH [15:54] If I click Edit there it crashes terminal [15:54] I'll look [15:54] wow, how do you get there [15:54] this definitely broke in the 3.18 update [15:55] Shall I open a bug? [15:55] no [15:56] great, now I have two "unnamed" profiles [15:56] how do I get the profile editor? [15:56] Edit -> Preferences -> Profiles [15:57] oh, in the menu [15:57] thanks [15:58] yep, got it [15:58] * pitti waves good evening [15:58] o/ === Ursinha_ is now known as Ursinha [16:19] larsu, those theme changes are nasty on X [16:19] fixing.... [16:19] hi tkamppeter, I did sent you an email regarding CUPS package , could you pls have a glimpse ? [16:24] gnome-terminal is uploaded [16:25] I think we do have found a new maintainer for the theme :D [16:26] it's making me sad now [16:26] :) [16:27] haha [16:27] I guess I'll get faster as I learn more, but right now it's taking me a looooong time to find the right selectors [16:27] Presumably I only need to make sure it works on 16.04 right? Like, if it breaks 15.10 then we just don't include it there? [16:27] robski, found it, will have a look. [16:27] thx [16:42] seb128: I think this is the list of stuff to remove/demote http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13228592/ [16:43] some of the things are in xenial-proposed already and FTBFS... I guess in that case just remove from xenial release? [16:43] that's packages which ftbfs and reverse-depends src:pkg ; reverse-depends -b src:pkg === maclin1 is now known as maclin [16:46] but please do check I didn't mess it up === maclin1 is now known as maclin [17:40] Laney, k, going to have a look tomorrow morning [17:41] thanks! [17:41] yw! [17:41] going to get this one done [17:41] if it kills me >:| [17:48] Laney: awww we don't want that to ever happen [17:48] I was imagining a scene in 70 years time (!!!) [17:48] me on my death bed [17:48] phone goes off [17:49] [ubuntu/85.04] gsl 2.0+dfsg-1ubuntu1 (Accepted) [17:50] * Laney dies happy [17:52] Laney: we need to work on your death bed scene! [17:52] if that;s the final think you think of you need to ge tout more [17:53] Make sure you get my number of uploads engraved on my headstone [17:53] am sure many of you are going to FOSDEM, just a reminder a lot of the CFPs close this month [17:53] Here lies Laney, core-dev, DD, father, husband === maclin1 is now known as maclin [17:54] Laney: lost for words! [17:55] oh and include my GPG key on a USB stick [17:55] need to upload from the next world [17:56] Laney: burried with laptop bike and usb stick, sorted [17:56] :) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD === alexabreu is now known as alex-abreu === Pharmasolin1 is now known as Pharmasolin [18:57] heh [18:58] * ogra_ would have expected Laney to be the type of guy who puts "HTTP: 410" on his headstone [19:02] :D [19:02] ARGH!!!!!! Gtk's css is driving me up the wall. CSS which works in the inspector then stops working when loaded from the theme [19:02] :D [19:02] It must be some specificity thing [19:03] * Laney has dodged it so far, mostly [19:03] gedit on X crashes quite a lot when I poke at it with the inspector as well which isn't helping [19:03] hey ho, it's all good fun === Pharmasolin1 is now known as Pharmasolin [19:04] * Laney is off now, ttyl [19:04] cya Laney [19:04] have fun willcooke [19:05] Laney, fixed!!!!!!!!!!!!one six [19:55] son of a.... [19:55] *now* I've fixed i [19:55] t [20:03] /* XXX temporary */ <--- who was this?!??! [20:06] desrt, attente - are you guys off today as well? [20:06] i'm here [20:06] Isn't it a public holiday for you too? [20:06] i don't believe so [20:06] kk [20:06] no holiday for me [20:06] (afaik) [20:07] ah, I see now.. except ON - which is what you guys are right? [20:07] there was some talk of it last year around this time, i think [20:07] yes [20:07] some provinces have it, but it's not a federal thing [20:07] That seems awfully unfair [20:07] it's actually OK with me [20:08] i think it evens out in the end [20:08] all of the green-team ingress players who work at the government buildings around here have the day off [20:08] XD [20:08] so the neighbourhood is nice and blue for a change [20:08] except they're out in the rest of the city changing other things green [20:08] not my concern :) [20:09] during the normal 9-5 weekdays, i swear these people never actually work [20:09] Ingress hasn't really caught my attention. I think because I live in the sticks there is no action around me [20:09] ya. it's tough if there is nothing to do [20:09] but i have the opposite problem [20:10] i live in a constant war zone. it sucks. [20:10] Do you guys have any ideas as to why the CSS I put in the inspector works fine but when I load it from the theme is doesnt work at all [20:10] ? [20:11] precedence? [20:11] So I should try and load it as late as possible? [20:11] the inspector has very high precedence [20:11] Can I help that with being more selective in my selectors? [20:11] does the theme need to be re-compiled? [20:11] are you doing it via a custom-loaded .css file or the theme, proper? [20:12] * desrt isn't super-familiar with css rules on this stuff [20:12] I'm copying it in to the theme's gedit.css file and then reloading gedit [20:12] gedit.css is a resource, right? [20:12] yeah, it gets included [20:12] lemme see where [20:13] gtk-main.css imports it [20:13] gtk-main.css imports gedit.css? [20:13] I could try and move gedit to the end, see if that helps... [20:13] * desrt raises eyebrow [20:13] ya [20:13] line 61 [20:14] /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/gtk-3.0/gtk-main.css [20:14] * desrt feels ill [20:14] oh [20:15] hold on [20:15] oh, no ignore [20:49] \o/ [20:49] I had to use a very long selector but now it works [21:55] Alright - I am fairly victorious [21:55] but now I'm not happy with the colour scheme [21:55] Oh hey willcooke. :) [21:55] hey TheMuso! [21:55]