[01:22] <wavis> htc is apparently giving 20% off the nexus 9 today http://www.htc.com/us/tablets/nexus-9/
[01:23] <wavis> I would get one, but I'm not sure if I could get Ubuntu on it. You folks confident it would be less than 8 hours work for a typical linux user?
[01:24] <mcphail> wavis: pretty confident you are at least an order of magnitude out on that one
[01:25] <mcphail> !devices
[01:25] <wavis> mcphail: in which direction?
[01:26] <mcphail> wavis: that bad direction :/
[01:26] <mcphail> wavis: you'd have to create the full port yourself
[01:56] <Hario> anyone knows how to get wakelocks?
[01:56] <Hario> using /sys/power/wake_lock doesn't work
[01:57] <Hario> i get a permission denied error
[05:11] <alexforsale> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13224716/
[05:11] <alexforsale> unity-system-co: page allocation failure: order:0, mode:0xd0
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/bq-aquaris-e5-hd-official-launches-in-russia-on-november-17-495982.shtml
[06:58] <vishnudev> Hi
[07:37] <dholbach> good morning
[10:09] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy Armistice Day! 😃
[12:23] <vishnudev> Hi guys
[12:23] <vishnudev> I've built ubuntu touch for my device
[12:23] <vishnudev> How to make a zip out of it ?
[12:23] <vishnudev> so that i can try the rom in my mobile
[12:23] <morphis> jgdx: pushed some fixes which should also remove those warnings you mentioned
[12:24] <jgdx> morphis, ty, will look in a bit
[12:25] <morphis> jgdx: still have to test it a bit more when the silo is updated
[12:28] <jgdx> morphis, okay
[12:55] <pmcgowan> barry, can you help look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/system-image/+bug/1508081
[13:27] <jgdx> faenil, question, if I set ListItemLayout.title to undefined, is the label created?
[13:28] <jgdx> faenil, s/undefined/an empty string
[13:35] <mardy> tvoss: hi! Do we inject the location we get from other providers (such as HERE) into the GPS?
[13:35] <tvoss> mardy, yup
[13:35] <tvoss> mardy, well, at least into the driver, it is up to the impl to make use of that information
[13:38] <mardy> tvoss: I'm studying the code a bit, and I was a bit lost. I think I found it now: it all starts in Engine::add_provider(), where the provider's on_reference_location_changed() method is connected to the location update signal, right?
[13:39] <tvoss> mardy, yup
[13:40] <mardy> tvoss: and saving the location and almanac across reboots, is it something that we should be doing explicitly, or do GPS chips always store this info internally in some non-volatile memory?
[13:41] <tvoss> mardy, it is up to the chipset/driver to store that information
[13:41] <mardy> tvoss: how convenient :-)
[13:42] <tvoss> mardy, yup, we can request the chipset to forget previous data, but that's it
[13:43] <mardy> tvoss: AFAIR in wikipedia, the almanac data is valid up to 180 days; wouldn't it make sense to fetch it from some online server, instead than slowly get it from the satellites?
[13:43] <tvoss> mardy, we already do
[13:44] <mardy> tvoss: ah; where is this?
[13:44] <tvoss> mardy, the gps chipset driver requests a so-called XTRA download from us
[13:44] <tvoss> mardy, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/location-service/15.04/view/head:/src/location_service/com/ubuntu/location/providers/gps/android_hardware_abstraction_layer.cpp#L143
[13:44] <pmcgowan> tvoss, did silo2 not make the image last night?
[13:44] <tvoss> pmcgowan, it did as far as I know
[13:44] <tvoss> pmcgowan, why?
[13:44] <pmcgowan> cant find your location
[13:44] <mardy> tvoss: cool, I saw that download interface, and that was going to be my next question. :-) Now it's clear, thanks
[13:45] <tvoss> mardy, cool
[13:45] <pmcgowan> tvoss, Here is still busted for me
[13:45] <tvoss> mardy, please note that the xtra data is gps/chipset/vendor/soc specific
[13:45] <tvoss> pmcgowan, hmmm, let me see
[13:45] <pmcgowan> I saw there were problems landing it
[13:45] <tvoss> pmcgowan, let me wipe and try again
[13:45] <pmcgowan> but thought it got into the second image
[13:45] <tvoss> pmcgowan, hmm, no one pinged me
[13:46] <tvoss> pmcgowan, pinging sil
[13:46] <pmcgowan> tvoss, from jibel The silo was misconfigured and it didn't migrate to the archive. This is fixed but won't be on next build.
[13:46] <tvoss> pmcgowan, ah okay
[13:47] <pmcgowan> tvoss, yeah it didnt make it
[13:47] <pmcgowan> nm
[13:47] <pmcgowan> but tis landed now
[13:47] <tvoss> pmcgowan, very good
[13:51] <faenil> jgdx: yes, if you don't want any label, you want to use SlotsLayout
[13:52] <faenil> jgdx: but if you give me more details I can give you a better answer
[13:59] <faenil> jgdx: the labels are created inside their getters, so if you never try to access the title property it won't be created
[14:08] <jgdx> faenil, that answers it, thanks
[14:10] <mardy> tvoss: where is the source code of the Qt module which implements location using the platform api?
[14:10] <tvoss> mardy, lp:qtubuntu-sensors
[14:10] <mardy> tvoss: thanks
[14:12] <faenil> jgdx: I'm still curious...
[14:13] <jgdx> faenil, most of the ListItemLayout usage in USS uses the title label, but a few uses the subtitle and summary.
[14:14] <jgdx> faenil, and I want to create a component that can be used in all cases (title/title+subtitle/title+summary), but not if there e.g. the subtitle label is created, always.
[14:15] <jgdx> s/there/the
[14:21] <faenil> jgdx: why not just set title or subtitle accordingly?
[14:22] <jgdx> faenil, I could, but we have dividers (a line beneath the ListItemLayout). And I like a reusable component that provides that, but not necessarily ListItem.
[14:23] <jgdx> suggestions?
[14:25] <faenil> jgdx: what about dividers?
[14:26] <faenil> are you using a custom divider to avoid using ListItem? :P
[14:28] <jgdx> faenil, essentially, I just need a ListItemLayout and a divider, so shouldn't I, for speed, not use ListItem? :p
[14:29] <faenil> jgdx: yeah, as long as the disadvantages don't outweigh the advantages...plus we don't have a ListItemDivider component which can be used from QML, so you're going to have to update the divider when its colour is finalize
[14:29] <faenil> (and I'm not sure it is finalized)
[14:30] <jgdx> what about U.C.ListItems.ThinDivider?
[14:30] <faenil> jgdx: that's from the old module
[14:30] <jgdx> 1.3?
[14:31] <faenil> it's ListItems, the old module
[14:31] <faenil> ListItem is using an internal divider item
[14:31] <faenil> zsombi: is ListItem's divider type exposed to QML?
[14:32] <faenil> if not, is there any plan to do that?
[14:32] <jgdx> faenil, it is ListItem.divider
[14:32] <faenil> jgdx: that's the instance
[14:32] <zsombi> faenil: there is one ThinDivider in teh U.C.ListItems
[14:32] <faenil> zsombi: yeah, from the old module
[14:33] <faenil> zsombi: is there any decision about that? should we encourage people to use ThinDivider if they just need ListItemLayout + a divider?
[14:33] <zsombi> faenil: we have to move that under U.C so it is marked as kept
[14:33] <faenil> zsombi: yep
[14:33] <labsin> Hi, I did a bugreport/feature request on qtubuntu for touch. I've addached a branch and proposed it for merging. Is there more I should do?
[14:34] <jgdx> faenil, okay, I'll use the listitem for the divider for the time being, is that what you're saying?
[14:34] <faenil> zsombi: at that point though ListItem should start using that instead of the internal one, for consistency
[14:34] <zsombi> faenil: ehm... ListItem si a cpp component ThinDivider is QML...
[14:35] <faenil> jgdx: I don't know, I'm trying to understand the situation about dividers myself, remember I'm crossteams, I'm not sdk :D
[14:35] <zsombi> faenil: do you volunteer to make ThinDivider as cpp?
[14:35] <faenil> zsombi: no, but you already have ListItemDivider...
[14:35] <faenil> zsombi: either you expose that, or you move ListItem to ThinDivider, that's what I mean
[14:36] <zsombi> faenil: ListItemDivider
[14:36] <zsombi> ...
[14:36] <faenil> zsombi: yes?
[14:41] <faenil> jgdx: so, since it seems there's no plan about that, I don't know what to tell you, sorry
[14:42] <faenil> jgdx: I'll write a quick benchmark and see if it's worth saving time by not using ListItem
[14:45] <jgdx> faenil, don't worry, thanks looking into it
[14:51] <faenil> jgdx: I have some news for you :D (cc zsombi)
[14:51] <jgdx> \o/
[14:52] <faenil> zsombi: jgdx http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13227631/
[14:53] <jgdx> faenil, well that's great! Thanks
[14:53] <faenil> jgdx: np :)
[14:53] <jgdx> :)
[14:54] <faenil> zsombi: have a look :)
[14:54] <faenil> jgdx: the difference is probably because ThinDivider uses 4 GradientStops
[14:54] <zsombi> faenil: what should I look at?
[14:55] <faenil> zsombi: the pastebin,
[14:55] <zsombi> faenil: ListItem also uses that method
[14:55] <faenil> zsombi: it has 2 gradient stops, not 4, or am I wrong?
[14:56] <faenil> zsombi: ah no, it has 4 gradientstops as well
[14:57] <faenil> zsombi: then I wonder why so much difference :D
[14:58] <zsombi> faenil: I don't...
[14:58] <faenil> zsombi: ? XD
[15:00] <faenil> stop giving cryptic answers :D
[15:08] <faenil> zsombi: I thought you'd be happy after looking at the benchmark. Screw you :D
[15:09] <zsombi> faenil: happy? I am... especially that the ThinDivider is slower :D
[15:09] <faenil> zsombi: good, now I hear you :P
[15:09] <zsombi> LOL
[15:09] <zsombi> faenil: I'm ina meeting, so I'm shorter in answering than usually
[15:09] <faenil> zsombi: I see...enjoy :P
[15:10] <zsombi> faenil: *(^(^&$%*&(*)(*
[15:10] <faenil> hahaha
[17:40] <mac__> Hello there. I have few questions about porting ubuntu touch to an android device. Am I at the right irc channel?
[17:41] <k1l_> mac__: yes
[17:42] <k1l_> mac__: there is a porting guide. and porting is not an easy task. you need advanced knowhow to do that.
[17:43] <mac__> Currently I have manage to port android 4.4 and android 5.1 to my device. My device is an old device and has few mtd partitions which is small so cannot be used.
[17:45] <mac__> we use the sdcard instead by have two partition sd-ext and sd-ext2 assigned as system and data in rom. however in recovery we do not mount system and data on sd-ext partition. Instead our installer zip takes care of mounting system and data.
[17:45] <mac__> I have compile ubuntu touch but am stuck with installation.
[17:46] <mac__> since in recovery we do  not have system and data partition, but have sd-ext and sd-ext2 instead, so the installation fails
[17:48] <mac__> My question. where does ubuntu get install if we install as per ubuntu wiki's website. I beleieve it is data partition. Am I correct?
[17:56] <k1l_> mac__: most devs are europe based and might have already went home. if no one is answering here you might want to mail to the mailinglist, where people can read it when they get online again.
[19:02] <Mohamed> Hi
[19:02] <Mohamed> Anyone There
[19:02] <Mohamed> Respond Please
[19:02] <Mohamed> Need To Ask Some varity of doubt about new port
[19:03] <Mohamed> What??
[19:03] <Mohamed> no One????
[19:04] <k1l_> just ask
[19:04] <pmcgowan> Mohamed, you can try to just ask, but couple of holidays today and europe almost done
[19:05]  * genii ponders what "varity of doubt about new port" translates to
[19:05] <Mohamed> As i planned to port ubuntu to new device
[19:06] <Mohamed> if i wanna revert back to android means shall i use odin to flash ROM bcoz its Samsung Device
[19:06] <Mohamed> Now Im Downloading Sources
[19:07] <Mohamed> @<pmcgowan>
[19:07] <Mohamed> What Happen Mates???
[19:07] <pmcgowan> I dont think anyone is here who knows right now
[19:08] <pmcgowan> you can also try the mailing list which always works
[19:08] <Mohamed> Which Mailing List Will You Specify..
[19:10] <pmcgowan> one sec
[19:11] <pmcgowan> Mohamed, at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone
[19:11] <Mohamed> hmmm
[19:11] <pmcgowan> the folks with porting experience are on there
[19:12] <Mohamed> ok Thank You I Will Try To Contact
[21:44] <ramsesHD> Hi all. Is there an English page for the Meizu MX4 Ubuntu? I can't read Chinese.
[21:45] <pmcgowan> ramsesHD, its not for sale any longer if thats your interest
[21:45] <ramsesHD> pmcgowan: yes, that was my interest. :-(
[21:46] <mcphail> ramsesHD: http://www.meizu.com/en/ubuntu/features.html
[21:46] <pmcgowan> ramsesHD, unless you can find a used one, the BQ phones are still available
[21:46] <ramsesHD> pmcgowan: too middleclass.
[21:47] <pmcgowan> hah
[21:47] <pmcgowan> yeah I use the mx4 its nice
[21:49] <ramsesHD> pmcgowan: How do updates work if it's out of sale?
[21:50] <pmcgowan> we keep making them available, not sure what you mean
[21:50] <pmcgowan> we will support it for a long time
[21:54] <ramsesHD> pmcgowan: Well, on Android phones, the availability of updates depends on the phone. Older phones don't get updates anymore.
[21:55] <pmcgowan> ramsesHD, we are trying to provide many more frequent updates and consistent across all models
[21:55] <ramsesHD> Ok, thanks.
[21:56] <pmcgowan> so while they are no loner selling we will continue updates for them every 6 weeks as we have
[21:56] <pmcgowan> if you can get one :)
[21:57]  * popey spies one on ebay :) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Meizu-mx4-gold-4g-16-smartphone-ubuntu-edition-unlocked-boxed-/27203999236
[22:02] <ramsesHD> popey: nice. :-) There is one on the German eBay as well, but it's much more expensive.
[22:10] <xhoch3> hey there, any developers around here? It really annoys me the convergence feature is taking so long, so instead of moaning I thought I could probably help out
[22:10] <davmor2> xhoch3: possibly not most of the world seems to be on holiday
[22:11] <xhoch3> I thought maybe there is someone involved who could just point me to the current development situation, so I don't have to grind all the generic guides about how to help the community
[22:11] <pmcgowan> xhoch3, there is a channel which supports the nexus 4 and nexus 7 for pocket desktop mode
[22:11] <xhoch3> I own a Meizu MX4
[22:11] <pmcgowan> if you have one of those devices you can join in
[22:11] <pmcgowan> hmm
[22:12] <davmor2> xhoch3: there is a video from Ubuntu Online Summit that might help you, let me see if I can find it
[22:12] <pmcgowan> so mx4 has no video out and we do not yet have wireless working
[22:12] <stakewinner00_> why es meizu only available in the european union¿
[22:13] <pmcgowan> that was meizu's decision, it works in other locations just check the radios
[22:13] <davmor2> xhoch3: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22633/developing-unity-8/  that one I think
[22:15] <xhoch3> I'll have a look thx
[23:24] <mortz> I'm porting ubuntu touch to my Lg l70 phone. ubuntu boots up. but keys (power, volume, back ,..) not working at all.
[23:24] <mortz> anyone knows how to fix this?
[23:54] <Hario> so, anyone knows how to aquire wakelocks?
[23:55] <Hario> the usual /sys/power/wake_lock method doesn't work