[10:02] <Noskcaj> ali1234, What's the command to regenerate the ui.h file in mousepad? It's been about 6 months since i've done anything linux
[10:31] <ali1234> Noskcaj: i don't know, sorry
[10:35] <Noskcaj> all good. Anyone?
[11:05] <flocculant> bluesabre: bug 1515184
[11:31] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: need to build with --enable-maintainer-mode
[11:32] <bluesabre> flocculant: you're finding some crazy bugs these days
[11:34] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: so with that, you can build it and grab the update ui.h file to add to your patch
[11:35] <flocculant> bluesabre: you told me too :p
[11:35] <bluesabre> flocculant: and you're exceeding my expectations ;)
[11:36] <flocculant> ha ha 
[11:37] <flocculant> bluesabre: I can wait till March and report them all at once if you'd prefer :D
[11:37] <bluesabre> D:
[11:41] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'm sure this has just turned up - I've done that 'category' stuff before with no problem
[11:41] <flocculant> also - don't know if you looked at the bug - but I confirmed it with daily in vm
[11:48] <flocculant> bluesabre: mmm - actually thinking about it - this must be quite recent issue, pretty sure it was last week I was talking to someone in #xubuntu about how to do this
[11:48] <flocculant> I'd have double checked I wasn't talking to the moon locally - which would have been xenial :)
[11:48] <bluesabre> :)
[11:49] <bluesabre> I'll take a look... it's probably just some crazy gtk thing
[11:49] <flocculant> yea
[11:49] <flocculant> anyway - tagged the bug appropriately :p
[11:50] <flocculant> wish I knew how to debug things a bit more than just report them 
[11:57] <bluesabre> flocculant: I'm not very good at debugging myself... just keep poking until I find the offending code
[11:59] <flocculant> :)
[11:59] <flocculant> one up on me then :p
[14:14] <knome> again, it seems like we should have a team-only list for votes and such
[14:14] <knome> flocculant, i pity you for having to figure out the voting...
[14:18] <flocculant> knome: well - luckily there are only a handful of mail addresses I need to recognise :)
[14:19] <knome> yep
[14:23] <knome> flocculant, what's your take on the user poll for the slideshow now?
[14:23] <flocculant> for 16? 
[14:23] <knome> for 16 or anything else in the future
[14:24] <flocculant> bit ambivalent now - not sure we'd gain anything much 
[14:25] <knome> mhm
[14:25] <knome> it's still on the blueprint
[14:25] <flocculant> is it?
[14:25] <knome> yep
[14:25] <flocculant> just copied from postpones I guess
[14:26] <knome> i suppose so :)
[14:26] <knome> i'll drop it
[14:26] <flocculant> *if* it ran for the whole of the next pre-LTS cycles there might be some use I suppose
[14:27] <knome> yep
[14:27] <knome> then again... meh
[14:27] <flocculant> yea
[14:27] <knome> we got pretty much replies from social media and ML's too
[14:27] <flocculant> we could do a 'shall we bring back synaptic' one :D
[14:27] <knome> lol
[14:27] <knome> no point in that... we'd get all "yes" replies
[14:27] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[14:28] <knome> "i vote for trump"
[14:28] <flocculant> :D
[16:18] <knome> ok, many things from the wiki are now moved to the contributor docs, including the strategy document with precursory formatting changes
[16:27] <flocculant> cool 
[16:28] <flocculant> though perhaps strategy stuff should be at the beginning ?
[16:29] <flocculant> someone can deal with my mp now perhaps :)
[16:44]  * dkessel tries poking bluesabre again to see if that will get him mousepad gtk3 builds in the -dev ppa :p
[16:49] <flocculant> you didn't use the pointy stick with the anti-forget-me-not powder
[16:52] <dkessel> if i knew what to do i would submit a MR or whatever is needed for that... *sigh*
[17:19] <knome> flocculant, dunno, i was also thinking it could be the first appendix..
[17:19]  * knome shrugs
[17:19] <knome> dkessel, i can help you with that :)
[17:19] <knome> flocculant, i'll look..
[17:20] <dkessel> knome: that would be great
[17:20] <knome> dkessel, you have time now or shall we schedule for later today?
[17:20] <dkessel> i have time
[17:21] <knome> great
[17:21] <knome> let me merge flocculant's MP first..
[17:22] <knome> flocculant, done
[17:25] <knome> dkessel, where are you looking to do a MP?
[17:25] <dkessel> knome: i am not :D  - i really just want the mousepad version from the x-dev ppa to be built against gtk3, just as the normal package is
[17:26] <knome> aha
[17:26] <knome> with that i can't help so much :P
[17:26] <knome> except
[17:26] <knome> bluesabre, POKE
[17:26] <dkessel> i guess that might mean modifying some branch or recipe that gets built
[17:26] <dkessel> heeh
[17:33] <flocculant> knome: thanks :)
[17:34] <knome> np
[17:35] <flocculant> and yea perhaps appendix 
[17:35] <knome> i guess it depends whether the contributor docs will be the primary place for the strategy document
[17:35] <flocculant> right
[17:36] <knome> i would say it should be the place, because then it's tracked in a branch
[17:36] <knome> otoh, then the old cycle branches aren't updated with that
[17:36] <knome> unless we specifically do that
[17:36] <flocculant> I guess once it's all sorted out - then everyone who installs xubuntu will get a copy if it lives with normal docs
[17:37] <flocculant> knome: otooh - old cycle branches wouldn't have been brought to life under whatever processes are *now* 
[17:37] <knome> :)
[17:38] <flocculant> so why would they need to refer to now :)
[17:38] <knome> i don't know
[17:38] <knome> to avoid confusion?
[17:38] <knome> "hey, i found this strategy document in the 9.10 release that says..."
[17:38] <flocculant> 'hey, I'd grab something up to date with a new supported install' 
[17:39] <knome> yea
[17:39] <knome> but people
[17:39] <flocculant> unless docs can have a this was current at foo date ? 
[17:39] <knome> sure can
[17:39] <knome> at least in some wat
[17:39] <flocculant> that's no different than old help files surely? 
[17:39] <knome> *way
[17:39] <knome> nope
[17:39] <knome> not really
[17:41] <flocculant> meetings is wrong btw "The chairing team leader is cycled based on the team name." should be "The chairing team leader is cycled based on random ordering of the team name."
[17:42] <flocculant> :p
[17:42] <knome> or maybe the order is wrong :P
[17:42] <flocculant> :)
[17:42] <flocculant> I shouldn't be chairing for ages :D
[17:42] <flocculant> \o/ 
[17:42] <flocculant> I'll give Unit193 the good news :p
[17:44] <flocculant> I'll start from the top after I do the one in Dec 
[17:52] <knome> the diff sucks, but http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/xubuntu-docs/xenial/revision/479
[17:52] <knome> dkessel, now you can read about doing merge proposals on the contributor docs :P
[17:53] <dkessel> MPs are no news to me, knome :p
[17:53] <knome> well i thought they were, so i was motivated to write about them
[17:53] <knome> :P
[17:53] <knome> but of course i figured out earlier they weren't
[17:54] <knome> flocculant, one thing i've been wondering
[17:54] <knome> flocculant, how do we specify the teams in the section titles
[17:54] <knome> flocculant, i mean, currently, it feels a bit weird that we have "common" sections and team sections laid out like htis
[17:55] <flocculant> knome: I kind of added mine to the end - then when I did the newer one, it needed to go before the other 2
[17:55] <knome> yeah, sure
[17:56] <flocculant> knome: possible to have sections? Like docs/qa/dev/web
[17:56] <knome> i added some comments to help with the arranging of the pages
[17:56] <flocculant> then chapters in the sections? 
[17:56] <knome> flocculant, testing and bugs could be subsections for the qa section
[17:56] <knome> but i'm not sure if that would be helpful in the long run
[17:57] <flocculant> right - not sure either
[17:57] <flocculant> though - it's not as if it's wiki and people can chuck stuff willy nilly 
[17:57] <knome> we'll figure it out at some point...
[17:58] <flocculant> yep
[18:03] <flocculant> should put my name in credits I guess some time too
[22:01] <ochosi> evening all
[22:04] <knome> o hai ochosi 
[22:11] <flocculant> evening ochosi 
[22:13] <ochosi> hey flocculant 
[22:13] <ochosi> wait, have you sent that email poll out yet or did i miss it?
[22:13] <flocculant> ochosi: I did - yesterday :)
[22:13] <ochosi> oh
[22:14] <flocculant> :)
[22:14] <ochosi> hmm, something's wrong with my inbox then
[22:14] <flocculant> sent it to -devel
[22:14] <flocculant> you'll find it eventually with votes from not-team :p
[22:16] <ochosi> haha, dkessel mentions something and follows it up with "dont reply to this!" - awesome communication technique there dkessel ;)
[22:16] <flocculant> :D
[22:27] <flocculant> knome: is the docs contributor page supposed to look like that now? 
[22:27] <flocculant> if they're supposed to link to something they don't 
[22:28] <knome> flocculant, i've been lazy and have not dropped all the links :P
[22:30] <flocculant> ok - that makes sense then :)
[22:30] <knome> yep
[22:30] <knome> besides, i'm not sure if we want to use the entities file for the website stuff yet
[22:31] <flocculant> right - well, imo if that page doesn't do more than what it does now - seems rather pointless as it stands is all :)
[22:32] <knome> i'll get it fixed before we push it online
[22:32] <flocculant> ok - just thought I would ask now :)
[22:32] <knome> sure, np :)
[22:34] <bluesabre> dkessel: yes, I have the tab open, and was going to fix that... will do it tonight :D'
[22:35] <flocculant> evening bluesabre :)
[22:35] <bluesabre> heya flocculant 
[22:35] <ochosi> hey bluesabre 
[22:35] <bluesabre> hi ochosi 
[22:37] <flocculant> bluesabre ochosi - while you're both here a question ... 
[22:37] <flocculant> have xfpm set to ask what I want to do when I press power button
[22:37] <flocculant> when screen is locked - press power button - shuts down
[22:37] <flocculant> is that expected? 
[22:38] <ochosi> well, when the screen is locked i'm not sure whether xfpm is still the one receiving those calls
[22:38] <ochosi> cause you're at the greeter level
[22:38] <ochosi> you could test that by pushing the button before you log in (after starting up your laptop)
[22:38] <flocculant> ok - so if it IS a bug - not xfpm? 
[22:39] <ochosi> my guess is that it's systemd's default policy for the button
[22:39] <flocculant> ochosi: mmm - this expected to be different to desktop? 
[22:39] <flocculant> in the meantime - trying ^^
[22:39] <flocculant> brb
[22:40] <ochosi> nah, i guess it'd be the same on a desktop
[22:40] <bluesabre> flocculant: yes, I agree with ochosi there... at the login screen xfpm no longer has control
[22:40] <ochosi> but i haven't used one for ages..
[22:40] <flocculant> cool - thanks both
[22:41] <bluesabre> gotta run again, bbabl
[22:41] <flocculant> and yes that is what I see if I press at login
[22:41] <flocculant> ochosi: so to pass this along - if it IS a bug - lightlocker ?
[22:41] <ochosi> not really, no
[22:42] <ochosi> it's just the fact that systemd doesn't offer a nice way to be configured
[22:42] <flocculant> ok - I'll tell them systemd :)
[22:42] <ochosi> and in order to change this not only on a user-level but on a system level the power manager would have to become root/superuse
[22:42] <ochosi> and only the system-level applies at the greeter level
[22:42] <flocculant> probably not actually a bug at all 
[22:42] <ochosi> so yeah, i think you won't have much luck with reporting this against systemd
[22:43] <ochosi> it's a design decision for them that it's not really configurable
[22:43] <flocculant> ok - it's not me so much as someone on the forums
[22:43] <knome> theoretically... if we want to stop using the wiki, where do we track meetings, meeting agendas and meeting minutes?
[22:44] <flocculant> theoretically I would say either trello or leave some things alone :p
[22:45] <knome> trello isn't good or archiving meeting minutes :P
[22:45] <flocculant> best go with B then :p
[22:45] <knome> maybe we need our own wiki for *some* things
[22:45] <knome> i guess if we had the team mailing list...
[22:45] <knome> :PP
[22:46] <flocculant> except
[22:46] <knome> or xubuntu-annonucements or sth
[22:46] <knome> with no typos
[22:46] <flocculant> the meetings, minutes and agendas aren't ours - we just hold the reins
[22:46] <knome> true
[22:46] <ochosi> i guess if the meeting stuff remains where it is and we move the rest i'd still be ok with it
[22:46] <knome> i haven't seen many non-team people adding agenda items though
[22:47] <flocculant> knome: maybe not - that's not the point imnsho :D
[22:47] <knome> agreed
[22:47] <knome> just wondering - theoretically, as you probably all can imagine
[22:47] <flocculant> I like us moving things like contrib/process/etc to where it's going 
[22:47]  * knome takes the mouse cursor away from the "delete" button on the meetings page
[22:48]  * flocculant reaches over and gently helps move the mouse cursor ... 
[22:48] <knome> lol
[22:51] <flocculant> bluesabre ochosi - thanks - passed that along the chain now :)
[22:57] <ochosi> np
[22:58] <flocculant> slickyma1ter knome: might revisit the offline help page now I'm not seeing <para> everywhere I look
[22:59] <flocculant> there's one sentence already annoying me ... 
[22:59] <knome> flocculant, looking forwards for the MP ;)
[22:59] <flocculant> :)
[22:59] <flocculant> it'll certainly be a lot simpler this time ;)
[23:00] <knome> probably so
[23:03]  * flocculant hates that pdf pages never correspond to what it thinks 
[23:04] <knome> heh
[23:07]  * flocculant didn't know about bzr pull 
[23:07] <flocculant> and was always pleased to have a fastish connection 
[23:08] <knome> ...congrats
[23:08] <flocculant> :)
[23:17] <flocculant> right - well goodnight those still with us 
[23:18] <knome> nighty flocculant