[12:23] <melodie> hello
[12:24] <craig__> hello :)
[12:24] <melodie> I would like to have your support for a bug report I did: the purpose is to keep the size of the isos delivered as low as possible (Bento Openbox which I develop, especially but not limited to it)
[12:25] <craig__> what can i do to help
[12:25] <melodie> so what I need is people who check and who supports a bug report I posted, about libgtk3-0, because I could not build an iso without having any gtk program pulling in lots of depends
[12:25] <melodie> hi craig__
[12:25] <melodie> here is the bug report number:
[12:26] <melodie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1510709
[12:26] <melodie> what would be needed as a test, would be something such as installing the same set of packages I use, in virtualbox for instance and starting from the officila mini.iso
[12:26] <melodie> official
[12:27] <melodie> using Wily Edition
[12:27] <craig__> will have a look tonight when i get home
[12:27] <melodie> nice!
[12:27] <melodie> shall I give the links here now?
[12:28] <melodie> mini iso 32bits for instance can be found here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/wily/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[12:28] <melodie> and the list of packages I can provide on pastebin?
[12:28] <craig__> thanks i will manage
[12:32] <melodie> are you used to perform minimal installs?
[12:32] <melodie> anyway thank you very much
[12:33] <melodie> I hope I can find a few persons on the two Africa and ZA chans, as it's the very place where bandwidth matters! (even if in many countrysides in France it does matter too)
[12:34] <melodie> I read recently that France among all europeen countries belong to the places where the internet connexions are the most terrible, just besides Italy and Greece. :~/
[12:38] <craig__> not used to minimal installs but i am sure i can manage
[12:39] <craig__> my home connection in Zimbabwe is pretty good around 2 Mbs
[12:40] <melodie> yes sure
[12:42] <melodie> anyway I have used lots of time at some point a pair of years ago, to pinpoing which packages where absolutely necessary in order for an install to function properly (just 3 packages were missing at that time in fact, in my install). I did this with a looong diff between the filesystem.manifest of my iso and the one of lubuntu iso. (with some options to make it easier to compare, however it took me some time 3 days on a row)
[12:42] <melodie> of course I am willing to share
[12:53] <melodie> welcome back craig__
[13:06] <craig__> we have many powercuts here, now on generator
[13:16] <melodie> craig__ is that your work place?
[13:18] <melodie> have you been able to get what I told you last, about the time I used to pinpoint the necessary packages?
[13:31] <Kilos> hi craig__ melodie
[13:32] <Kilos> sorry im so slowq. very busy on cell with banks
[13:32] <melodie> hi here Kilos
[13:32] <melodie> cell with banks: doing your accounting in a spreadsheet?
[13:32] <Kilos> nono
[13:33] <Kilos> cell phone to bank to try get my online banking app to work properly
[13:33] <melodie> cell phones are dangerous for the security of your data
[13:33] <Kilos> and very hot here so even brain is sluggish
[13:34] <melodie> you might want to avoid using that kind of tool for money related things
[13:34] <Kilos> im online with my pc but this bank uses your cell to verify things
[13:34] <melodie> it can be very easily hacked I was told
[13:35] <melodie> doesn't it just send you a sms when you need a verification on something you buy online?
[13:35] <Kilos> like, when i login with pc i get an immediate sms that account has been opened
[13:35] <melodie> for what purpose?
[13:35] <Kilos> no it sends smsses everytime i want to change anything online
[13:36] <craig__> yes melodie i am at work at the moment
[13:36] <craig__> Hi Kilos
[13:36] <melodie> craig__ ok
[13:36] <Kilos> then i have to choose approve or reject
[13:37] <melodie> craig__ I am cleaning up my file script, the one that contains info about the packages I need to install for that minimal install (which in reality is about building Bento Openbox but I can't tell them about that on the bug report, because they don't give a damn about remixes, however my bug report can help all editions to get lighter on space)
 then i have to choose approve or reject // they could not do that over here, the people would scream
[13:38] <melodie> it looks like they are not trusting the skills of their users, isn't it?
[13:38] <Kilos> lol
[13:40] <Kilos> they actually seem quite secure because one needs to login with a pin number and then a password and still have to have the registered fone to approve/reject any transaction
[13:40] <melodie> the last part is a bit too much
[13:40] <Kilos> yeah very frustating
[13:40] <melodie> what if the guy does not possess a mobile phone?
[13:40] <melodie> or does not want to have one?
[13:41] <Kilos> then you cant do o nline banking
[13:41] <melodie> can't afford, or generally doesn't need one
[13:41] <melodie> it's too much power in the hands of the banks me thinks
[13:41] <Kilos> the whole internet banking seems to be closely linked to mobile use as well
[13:42] <Kilos> yes i agree, they live on the power they have
[13:42] <Kilos> and abuse it as well
[13:42] <Kilos> they charge us to put money in and take it out
[13:43] <Kilos> thats why im using online, its much cheaper
[13:43] <Kilos> atm and bank transactions cost
[14:33] <melodie> elacheche ?
[14:39] <elacheche> Hey melodie !
[14:40] <elacheche> I was away.. Just come back from a training x)
[14:40] <elacheche> How can I help?
[14:49] <melodie> hi elacheche
[14:50] <melodie> you might be able to help about a bug report against libgtk3-0 and I have another question related to a company which I am curious about
[14:50] <melodie> the bug report:
[14:50] <melodie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1510709
[14:51] <melodie> I am seeking for testimonials on this bug report because I would like to see gtk3 stay a bit more sober
[14:52] <melodie> if it goes bloated this will feel hard on the size of future ISOs (which is a bummer considering the bandwidth in many places in the world, and not only in African countries btw)
[14:52] <melodie> even if the hard drives tend to be very huge
[14:52] <melodie> in disk space
[14:53] <melodie> so for this one bug report I am seeking for as many helpers as I will be able to find
[14:57] <elacheche> Let me take a look
[15:12] <melodie> elacheche yes sure
[15:47] <elacheche> I don't know ho I can help on that melodie
[15:48] <melodie> elacheche you could if you would occasionally need very lean setups, starting from a mini.iso (which is a netinstall)
[15:48] <melodie> for a desktop, and you would notice any gtk app pulls in several hundred megabytes of depends
[15:49] <elacheche> OK
[15:50] <melodie> I'm about to retry now, in a chroot
[15:51] <melodie> would you have any time and interest for that? (at some point in the next days or weeks?)
[15:51] <melodie> I can provide my script/draft?
[15:56] <elacheche> no idea melodie :/ I have many days of training AFK :/
[15:58] <melodie> AFK : away from keyboard?
[16:09] <elacheche> yep
[16:17] <melodie> ok
[16:17] <melodie> :)
[17:40] <melodie> I have asked a question here: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-icon-theme/+question/274092
[18:01] <Na3iL> Yo melodie , you asked me last time to help you with your ToDo list.. Paste it
[18:02] <melodie> yes!
[18:02] <melodie> http://bentovillage.me/todo/
[18:02] <melodie> http://bentovillage.me/todo/en
[18:02] <melodie> same two languages
[18:03] <melodie> 9 todo
[18:03] <melodie> 5 ideas
[18:03] <melodie> 14 notes
[18:03] <melodie> ...
[18:04] <Na3iL> Just wondering why you don't just use wiki pages instead of Wordpress as cms.
[18:05] <melodie> I hate wiki formatting, slows down the writing process
[18:06] <Na3iL> Hmm, okay
[18:08] <inetpro> good evening
[18:09] <Na3iL> So, there's another 9 articles to translate from EN to FR?
[18:09] <Na3iL> o/ inetpro
[18:10] <melodie> brb
[18:10] <Na3iL> tyt
[18:19] <melodie> Na3iL I'll go to an fro, from keyboard to dinner (eating by bits right now)
[18:20] <Na3iL> Take your time melodie we talk later
[18:20] <Na3iL> Same here, it is my dinner time :)
[18:21] <melodie> :)
[18:22] <melodie> have a nice meal! Bon appétit !
[18:22] <Na3iL> Merci bien mon ami :) à toi aussi