[07:43] <spy6> hi there
[07:44] <spy6> There is a bug in launchpad, I'd like to link against multiple upstream bug reports ... is that possible?
[07:45] <spy6> anyway .. looks like launchpad can't connect to Linux Kernel Bug Tracker
[17:13] <melodie> hi
[17:13] <melodie> I just changed the title for my last bug report, as I have been able to find the origin of extra depends
[17:13] <melodie> here it is:*
[17:13] <melodie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1510709
[17:13] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1510709 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu) "In Wily libgtk-3-common pulls in adwaita-icon-theme which in return pulls in ubuntu-mono" [Low,Confirmed]
[17:14] <melodie> I would now be glad to be able to trace back where another theme comes from, which I have tried to get rid of since some time now, it's humanity-icon-theme
[17:15] <melodie> in Vivid though
[17:20] <melodie> more and more themes are forced by default which makes the distro editions bigger and bigger which is not an issue for hard drives but is an issue for many users where the bandwidth is not generous and also forces the users to have themes which they may not like
[18:51] <melodie> hi again
[18:51] <melodie> can that considered being a bug? http://pastebin.com/atTHk3Nd
[19:27] <melodie> installing ubiquity-frontend-gtk is less worse
[19:27] <melodie> than installing ubiquity
[20:30] <cyphermox> melodie: it depends which frontend you want/need; plus you normally won't need to install ubiquity yourself
[20:31] <melodie> hi cyphermox
[20:32] <melodie> this isn't a good reason imo
[20:32] <melodie> when someone needs to create a remix or a master ubiquity can be desired
[20:32] <cyphermox> melodie: in which case you should specify exactly what frontend you want
[20:33] <melodie> I solved it by installing ubiquity-frontend-gtk, but still, in Wily many packages aren't done as well as they could be
[20:33] <cyphermox> what you're seeing this is pretty much just defaulting to the kde frontend, presumably because it shows up last in the list of packages
[20:33] <melodie> are you intersted in having the packages as lean as possible in Ubuntu?
[20:34] <melodie> interested*
[20:34] <melodie> sorry :)
[20:34] <cyphermox> sure, but this isn't this issue
[20:35] <cyphermox> for example, try to install just ubiquity-frontend-kde, you'll most likely see precisely the exact same list of packages as in your pastebin.
[20:36] <melodie> I start from a very small basis and spent today several hours just to struggle against unwanted depends, which makes me think I might dedicate next year to hunting that kind of thing in packages
[20:37] <cyphermox> that would likely be quite a good way to learn a lot about how Ubuntu works
[20:38] <cyphermox> melodie: what I'm saying is, normally it's more or less the right conclusion that you're getting to, except that ubiquity behaves this way because it depends on the virtual package ubiquity-frontend-$version, which is provided both by ubiquity-frontend-kde and ubiquity-frontend-gtk
[20:38] <cyphermox> I think in this case you see all the kde packages being pulled in because ubiquity-frontend-kde is later in the alphabet, so apt-get will match *it* instead of ubiquity-frontend-gtk to satisfy the virtual package :)
[20:40] <melodie> interesting
[20:40] <melodie> K comes after G right?
[20:41] <cyphermox> yes
[20:41] <melodie> so it's reverse alphabet?
[20:41] <cyphermox> oh, did i type it wrong?
[20:42] <cyphermox> you're getting k precisely because k goes after g ;)
[20:42] <melodie> so ubiquity pulls the latter?
[20:44] <melodie> this is just to confirm I get it right
[20:45] <cyphermox> yeah, that seems to be the case
[20:56] <melodie> ok
[20:56] <melodie> that would make sense, whereas is it logical or not is another thing
[20:57] <melodie> what I am concerned with is that it is becoming more and more difficult to keep a low size on an iso
[20:57] <melodie> which is a catastrophic issue considering the million downloads in the world
[20:58] <melodie> which all need bandwidth and obviously... electricity!
[21:01] <melodie> at the end, the following packages could be pointed as depends we could get out, gnome-icon-theme, adwaita-icon-theme, and ubuntu-mono
[21:06] <melodie>  ttf-dejavu brings all these: "fonts-dejavu* fonts-dejavu-extra* ttf-dejavu* ttf-dejavu-core* ttf-dejavu-extra*"
[21:47] <melodie> bbl
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