=== timchen1` is now known as timchen119 === nudtrobert1 is now known as nudtrobert [05:48] good morning [07:42] Good morning [07:42] bonjour didrocks, tu as te levé tôt ! ça va ? [07:43] pitti: bonjour ! ça va bien ! (oui, je me lève de plus en plus tôt j'ai l'impression…) et toi ? [07:52] morning all [07:53] good morning desktopers [07:53] hey andyrock, hello seb128 :) [07:53] finally the channel starts to be active :p [07:53] * didrocks felt alone [07:53] didrocks: je vais bien aussi, mais j'ai me couché à 1:30 [07:54] après basketball, donc c'est normal :) [07:54] j'ai regardé deux videos de systemd.conf [07:54] bonjour seb128! [07:54] hey andyrock [07:54] pitti: je n'en n'ai regardé qu'une :) [07:55] pitti: ah d'accord, donc après s'être couché à 1h, bon score! :) [07:55] didrocks: that means "I watched only one", right? [07:55] or "I didn't watch even one"? [07:56] * pitti ne connais pas le double "ne" [07:56] pitti: "only one", yeah [07:56] hey andyrock didrocks pitti [07:56] i. e. "n'en n'ai" [07:56] Hey desktoppers. :) [07:56] pitti: you can say as well (maybe more commonly): "j'en ai regardé qu'une" [07:57] didrocks: ah, c'est que je sais, merci :) [07:57] * seb128 just spent half an hour figuring out why its boot is taking ages for a week [07:57] * seb128 grrrr at systemd [07:58] qu'est-ce qu'est cassé ? [07:58] ma partition swap a changé et le fstab est faux [07:58] mais systemd de dit rien [07:58] j'ai juste le logo plymouth avec les points qui bougent pendant 1 minute [07:59] très frustrant [07:59] pas d'erreur, pas de message, rien, ça bloque et d'un coup ça démarre [08:00] seb128: ah, you have some failed swap unit in systemctl --failed? [08:00] I guess I would have, I used the debug-shell to list-job, saw the swap job was the only running, figured out it was the issue and coimmented the line from fstab [08:01] hm, you get a rescue shell for broken / or /home or so; not sure whether you are supposed to get a rescue shell for broken swap too (or whether that's preferable to just continue booting wihtout swap) [08:01] now the system boots normally again [08:01] booting without swap is fine [08:01] the 1 minute delay is not [08:01] what is it waiting for? it's an internal partition that doesn't exist anymore [08:01] error out or keep going [08:01] on systems where you actually do want swap it wouldn't be "fine", it would just silently ignore an error [08:02] no cookie for you systemd [08:02] maybe the right thing would be to put these "waiting for these units" warnings to plymouth [08:02] IMHO, the issue is not the waiting, but more on the "no error message/telling I'm waiting on this" [08:02] that would be nice [08:02] you see those on a VT, but not without ply [08:02] not even in a vt [08:02] I had to debug-shell and list-jobs [08:02] pitti: if communicating with plymouth was something that would interest upstream (hem :p) [08:05] ah yes, quiet eats that as well [08:06] that sounds like somethign to fix for 16.04, this is ugly [08:06] Morning! [08:07] morning Trevinho [08:07] Trevinho: hey! [08:07] didrocks: hey [08:07] Ouch 😀 [08:07] speaking to yourself? :) [08:09] hey Trevinho [08:09] pitti, what would be the proper fix? proxying the "wait for disk UUID=...." on plymouth? [08:09] seb128: Hola! [08:10] didrocks: yeah, it happens sometime :-D [08:12] seb128: showing a blocking unit in plymouth and with quiet sounds helpful [08:13] seb128: also, do you know what broke your swap? [08:13] +1 [08:13] me [08:13] I needed a partition to try something in gnome-disks [08:13] I used the swap so I unswapped it and created a swap back later on [08:13] but the UUID changed I guess [08:13] yes, every mkswap will change it; ok, so that's at least clear [08:21] Morning willcooke. [08:28] morning TheMuso just off to do the school run, bbiab [08:30] np [09:40] hey! [09:41] * pitti does a jump to the left -- it's a Laney! [09:41] Good morning! [09:41] hey pitti! [09:41] bonjour [09:42] larsu: Moin moin! [09:42] hi pitti! [09:43] hey hey hey LaLaney! :) [09:43] morning larsu [09:45] hey didrocks! Had a good day off? [09:46] hey didrocks [09:46] nice sauna/spa day? [09:46] * Laney knows how french people spend their free time === nudtrobert1 is now known as nudtrobert [09:47] * Laney is going to get kicked off this network in 3 minutes [09:47] come on greylisting [09:47] larsu: Laney: yeah, it was a nice day. Stayed at home mostly, but did some nice cooking :) [09:48] did it involve cheese and/or cream? [09:48] if not: try harder please [09:48] :) [09:51] neither of those! [09:51] but meat and lentils [09:55] A sign reading "Don't touch the water" can be seen near the river [09:55] oops! [09:56] middle click paste... [09:56] oh, a Laney [09:57] hey seb128 [09:57] hey Laney ;-) [09:57] unmute the telegram :P [09:57] what's up? [09:57] haha [09:57] oh, larsu is alive as well [09:57] good :-) [09:57] I missed out with this muted on [09:58] oh FFS [09:59] the gnome-terminal reverted my upload from last nighth [09:59] did I forget to push? but even so... [09:59] rooooobbbb [10:00] :| [10:00] and that one was also because one of the previous uploads had reverted my change [10:01] * Laney take three [10:05] hi seb128 :) [10:05] did some errands this morning [10:06] hey larsu [10:09] seb128: seems slangasek processed some of the removals for gsl last night [10:09] can you look at the remaining packages http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/gsl.html ? [10:09] Laney, yeah, I was just about to look at that [10:10] i.e. forget my list now, it's out of date [10:10] k [10:10] not sure why he didn't do all of them [10:10] maybe they are ones with rdeps or something? [10:10] but let's just kill those too IMHO [10:11] if you give me the list I can block them in proposed [10:11] block them? you mean? [10:12] I though we just wanted to demote-to-proposed them? [10:12] demoted things can go straight back in [10:12] if they have old binaries which work in release [10:12] you should check if I already uploaded these and they FTBFS in proposed [10:12] they wouldn't if they fail to build no? [10:12] in which case just remove from release IMHO [10:13] makes sense [10:13] only if it's a rebuild, demote copies the old successful binaries [10:15] * Laney really bzr pushes g-t this time [10:16] didrocks, can we do anything with Fritzing without MD5, "latest" link and HTTPS? [10:18] also: who knows the most about Ubiquity here? tvoss is having a problem with resizing partitions and it seems to have hung. How can he find out what;s going on? Where are the good logs? [10:19] #ubuntu-installer [10:19] & /var/log/ubiquity or /var/lib/ubiquity? [10:19] thanks Laney [10:21] Laney, "asymptote" has a --disable-gsl, might be a better option than removing it? [10:22] dunno [10:22] willcooke, there was a bug in wily, the "resize" widget sometimes doesn't receive the focus [10:22] if you want to try that go ahead [10:22] otherwise we get the fix via sync [10:22] k [10:22] shruug [10:22] calendar reminder, apparently I've a meeting in 10 minutes [10:22] willcooke, if it's a bug with the UI [10:23] otherwise there were others with partman itself in some configurations [10:25] willcooke, bug 1447600 [10:25] bug 1361951 in partman-ext3 (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1447600 Ubiquity freezes while reformatting occupied partition" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1361951 [10:26] should be highre than medium [10:27] seems like a good one to fix for the LTS [10:28] seb128: btw, I see that flickering on new windows too, like the window first appears black for a split second and then is drawn [10:28] pitti, ah, I'm not alone or crazy yet! [10:28] pitti, thanks for confirming [10:28] larsu already started asking about it [10:28] and, what happened with gedit [10:28] seems he knows what is likeliy to be the fix [10:29] HAHA [10:29] yesssssssssss [10:29] I mean, it's not actaully bad, but it's so different from everything else [10:30] pitti, welcome to new GNOME style [10:30] we are giving in a try to see how it fits/works [10:31] I like it apart from the double controls [10:31] oh and linked buttons are themed badly [10:31] probably fixable though [10:32] willcooke: I'll be in meeting in 1 min [10:32] linked buttons? [10:32] also, is it me or does escape not close file choosers any more? [10:32] I opened bug #1513856 about that [10:32] bug 1513856 in gedit (Ubuntu) "[3.18] 'save changes' dialog button style is wrong" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513856 [10:32] did it before or am I going crazy? [10:32] Laney: works here [10:32] pitti: try in gedit -> save as [10:32] and yes, esc not closing dialogs → really bad things happen! [10:32] pitti, try to close gedit with unsaved work [10:32] the dialog has buttons concatenated in a row together [10:32] doesn't look good [10:33] seb128: eww, yes [10:33] Laney: oh -- esc doesn't work right away, but after clicking into the file tree it does [10:33] it does not work in the name input line [10:33] * Laney nods [10:34] but in the left bookmark bar or the tree selector [10:34] so, thanks guys! *finally* I have the feeling I'm on an 31337 unstable developer series! [10:34] this got way too boring [10:35] seb128: and you can use your old saying again at last! [10:35] come on, say it [10:36] lol [10:36] nothing to say, people are going to say I'm old and grumpy :p [10:37] (but boring is good!) [10:37] seb128: pleeeease, for old time's sake! :-) [10:37] iz gtk bog! [10:37] \o/ [10:37] * pitti hugs seb128 [10:37] * seb128 hugs pitti back [10:38] is somebody seeing bug #1515461? [10:38] bug 1515461 in gedit (Ubuntu) "Open menu dropdown is 'compressed' & unintelligible " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1515461 [10:39] ça marche bien ici [10:39] oh no, confirmed [10:39] iz gtk bug! [10:39] yeah, I think so [10:39] I'm still on 3.16 and doesn't see it [10:40] might be a 3.18 regression [10:40] Laney ^ [10:40] could it be that a lot of this (button space, compression, etc.) is because our theme didn't get updated to 3.18 yet? [10:40] my workflow might be not standard but the open button behaviour really annoys [10:40] +me [10:40] I can't imagine that this happens with Adwaita [10:40] I never open old documents, but I almost always open things from the same dir [10:41] I don't think it's a theme 3.18 update [10:41] at least the linked button is not [10:41] it doesn't happen with adwaita [10:41] it's just new app style [10:42] * Laney assigns to theme maintainer :) [10:42] shall name write his name! [10:43] Mr W* C* [10:43] nah, not that one :P [10:43] name->not [10:43] larsu: assigned you a couple of bugs if you can look in the medium term [10:43] just pinging incase you miss the mail ;) [10:44] or delegate to your co maintainer of course [10:44] we we like linked buttons now? [10:44] I though we patched them out of GTK previous cycle [10:44] we patched more things out before [10:44] like headerbars... [10:44] if we like gnome we should try it imho [10:45] yeah, let's see [10:45] I'm having an hard time to get used to the new gedit, it doesn't fit well with the rest for me atm [10:45] the adwaita ones look nice [10:45] it looks better indeed [10:45] Laney: "thanks" [10:45] :) [10:45] ;) [10:45] keeping you in green tea [10:46] * larsu gets more [10:46] poor larsu [10:46] swap for gsl/poppler/glew/ocaml transition? [10:46] actually don't, I like it [10:46] slangasek has been wielding the delete hammer hard [10:47] larsu, how did you priority sort your todo between geolocation new_nautilus_menus and bugs? [10:48] seb128: whenever someone pings me they have prio [10:49] which might not be the best idea... [10:49] yeah, you need to put them in a queue and reorder the queue as you see fit :-) [10:51] stupid laptop [10:51] need to us fn to access the function keys [10:51] but for print screen fn is the wireless kill switch instead [10:51] even though it's written in the same place as Fn [10:55] haha [10:59] this network blocks the git protocol [10:59] annoying [10:59] git can do http [10:59] but you know this... [11:00] haha [11:00] thanks! [11:01] * Laney populates https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=gtk318 === Laney changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks [11:16] larsu: should that frame clock one go to compiz after your chats yesterday? [11:16] ...is that going to be hard to fix? [11:20] hahahahaa [11:20] yes. [11:21] ._. [11:21] I don't even think we can work around this tbh [11:21] better get it agiled into someone's plans then [11:21] agile is a verb now? [11:21] I wonder why we're only seeing this now though [11:21] maybe we need someone to ... [11:22] everything can be verbed [11:22] *puts on sunglasses* [11:22] ... bisect [11:22] hum, do we have anyone in the team good at that?! [11:22] * seb128 looks around [11:22] might need to hire someone [11:22] * larsu helps seb128 looking around [11:23] * larsu looks 7000km west [11:23] because I don't know anyone with that kind of skill [11:23] a bit south [11:23] nuh uh [11:24] maybe we should go through all members of this team alphabetically and ask if they could do it? [11:27] yeah; let's start with a ... attente? ;-) [11:38] Laney, ruby-gsl had a leftover amd64 binary in xenial-proposed, just deleted that [11:39] should make http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/gsl.html clean [11:40] nice, thanks [11:40] yw [11:40] finding some more random transitions in there now [11:40] ode, dcmtk [11:41] is glew ready? [11:41] seems slangasek has been picking it up after I start yesterdy [11:42] dunno [11:42] just going through the list in turn [11:46] seb128: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=804728 <- drop soya + rdeps completely? [11:46] Debian bug 804728 in src:soya "FTBFS: libode-sp-dev has been dropped" [Serious,Open] [11:47] * balazar3-3d (for python-soya) [11:47] * balazarbrothers (for python-soya) [11:50] Laney, but it built yesterday https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/soya/0.15~rc1-10build2 ? [11:50] or what's the issue? [11:50] not against the right thing [11:50] see the first comment in that bug [11:51] but build log says it picked glew1.3 [11:51] or are you looking at another transition? [11:51] oh [11:51] you look at "ode" [11:52] I'm looking at all of them that are in this block [11:52] but yeah, in this case it is ode [11:53] done [11:53] balazar3-3d doesn't exist though [11:54] oh, it's balazar3 [11:54] ignore that [11:55] there's also a recommends from some metapackage [11:55] will fix that [11:56] * willcooke finally gets caught up on scroll back [11:56] themes! [11:57] I'm fixing (IMO) the Gedit theme atm [11:57] It's funny, I have something that I think looks nice on the laptop screen [11:57] and then when I connect to an external screen and make the windows fill the screen I don't like it anymore [11:58] I'd like to make the header bars shorter(? less vertical height) [11:58] and the header bar buttons could do with a bit more contrast [11:59] and then there's the text in the open dialogue which is all screwy [11:59] it's never ending :) [11:59] Once all of that is "ok" then I will go and speak to Design about header bars [11:59] but for now... lunch [12:00] oh, one more thing [12:00] [12:00] cyphermox, is this bug on your list for 16.04? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-ext3/+bug/1361951 [12:00] Ubuntu bug 1361951 in partman-ext3 (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity freezes while reformatting occupied partition" [Medium,Triaged] [12:01] hit and run. Now lunch..... [12:02] willcooke: it's hard to maintain a robust product, if Fritzing people are intested into shipping for us, they should make our life (and so, their experience) better [12:02] willcooke: also, I feel really uncomfortable downloading executable code without having any way to check that the code is legit from upstream [12:04] willcooke: any reason they can't do it? [12:43] willcooke: you on xenial? do you have dual monitors? === nudtrobert1 is now known as nudtrobert [12:51] Laney, seb128: Either of you too on a dual monitor xenial setup? I'd like a confirm on a issue [12:52] davmor2, I do [12:54] shrug, am I the only one having unity eating cpu after user switch/unlock? [12:54] on xenial [12:54] seb128: awesome, could you set one monitor below the other in Screen display, then on the lower monitor open an app full screen and put the mouse on it is it the resize up icon rather than the the normal pointer [12:57] davmor2, it's not but I didn't restart my session for a while so might not be using the current unity, going to restart in a bit [12:58] seb128: it may actually be more specific to hexchat I'm trying other apps though === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:43] lol. you guys... [13:45] oh hi attente! [13:46] hey hey [13:47] what's up? [13:52] good morning [13:52] what did i miss? [13:52] hey .ca desktopers ;-) [13:52] desktop.ca [13:53] o/ [13:54] good morning [13:55] good morning [13:56] hi qengho and attente! [13:56] and desrt :) [13:56] hey desrt [13:57] good morning, all [14:01] willcooke: it's on my radar for every release, the difference is just that now we're more likely to actually fix it and understand why it's fixed [14:01] cyphermox, ack. thx [14:27] seb128: I have never merged packages from Debian before, but I'm happy to help. What should I do to get xdg-utils merged? Is there launchpad machinery, or is it downloading and uploading? [14:28] qengho, you can find some details on https://merges.ubuntu.com/x/xdg-utils/REPORT [14:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging This seems useful. [14:28] seb128: thanks. [14:29] qengho, but it's basically "take the current Debian version, review the Ubuntu delta and re-apply what is needed on top of Debian" [14:29] Ah. [14:29] qengho, https://merges.ubuntu.com/x/xdg-utils/ [14:30] shrug, guest session fails on xenial here [14:31] but if I edit /usr/sbin/guest-account to change from -e to -x and get debug info, it works :/ [14:31] seb128: -e means "stop on error" [14:31] doh, I wanted to add x [14:32] larsu, thanks ;-) [14:32] ;) [14:36] there are all sort of fails with guest session/user switch/unity [14:36] - guest session fails to start [14:36] - it bounces me back to unity-greeter which fails to display my custom user bg [14:37] - login back to the session shows the unlocked session, then lock fade in then unlock [14:37] - then compiz uses 100% cpu with a thread in pam code [14:37] * seb128 shrugs [14:38] andyrock, did you get anywhere with the session not being locked when it should? (e.g screen showing unlocked for a second after suspend/resume) [14:38] also I can't believe nobody else is having the cpu use/pam issue [14:41] ok, at least I figured out the issue with guest session [14:42] I'm going for a footing since it's still sunny and nice out there [14:42] be back in ~1h === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [15:14] larsu, how fond of the gradients between tabs in GtkNotebook are you? With the new darker/lighter tabs the gradient looks meh, and I think a solid line is more effective [15:17] cyphermox, fixed already!? Thanks! [15:17] willcooke: yeah, it was already fairly obvious what was needed, I just wanted to better understand exactly why [15:18] cool [15:18] I think we've reached that now [15:18] well thanks for turning it around so quickly [15:18] tall chairs without a cross bar to rest your feet on need to be banned [15:19] in the meantime, /me burns this cafe down [15:19] (GCHQ: that was a JOKE) [15:19] :D [15:19] you caught me early, before I got to start on other things ;) [15:19] Laney, simply carry a step with you [15:19] * willcooke makes a note to bother cyphermox in the mornings [15:19] I kicked off and now the owner is crouching on the floor in front of me [15:20] the customer is always right [15:20] damn straight [15:20] actually the chair next to me appears to have one [15:20] * Laney swaps [15:20] first. world. problem. [15:20] ahhhhhhhhhh [15:20] * willcooke wonders if the new cafe down the road has wifi [15:21] Laney: I heard you wanted to ASSASINATE THE PRESIDENT of Ikea. [15:24] i have to assume that nsa/gchq/etc. have developed pretty good troll filters by now [15:25] Maybe. Add "LOL" to escape Bayes flagging. [15:31] imgur.com/sd6iYay [15:31] http://imgur.com/sd6iYay [15:32] err [15:32] http://imgur.com/sd6iYAy [15:32] there we go [15:32] what do you think folks? [15:32] the mouse would be over the close button on the middle tab [15:33] that's a solid border instead of the gradient [15:36] seb128: sorry missed the ping (irccloud :() [15:37] nope, i can't actually reproduce it [15:37] i created a ppa for pat [15:37] with a possible fix but the problem is still there [15:37] at this point I'm not sure the problem is in unity [15:39] willcooke: not at all - but that's more of a design question [15:39] I mean, for design [15:41] Mirv / mitya57: can you help me with https://launchpadlibrarian.net/225697670/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.phonon-backend-vlc_0.8.2-1ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz please? [15:41] larsu, I *am* design now ;) [15:41] ooooh [15:41] well then, go ahead please [15:41] * willcooke gets his crayons out [15:42] oooh, Red Arrows just went over my house [15:43] * ogra_ checks on google maps [15:43] lies ! [15:43]