[00:59] <OerHeks> I have no question, is it oke to ask a non-question?
[00:59] <OerHeks> *hips*
[01:03] <daftykins> that one needed euthanising ;)
[01:04] <wileee> ahh, nothing like a mod ban for real satisfaction
[01:04] <wileee> a lobotomy
[01:05] <wileee> err maybe that was the cause, we never know
[01:06] <Bashing-om> some just do not take a gentle hint .
[01:11] <wileee> the freaks come out at night somewhere
[01:17] <daftykins> :D
[01:17] <daftykins> i can't believe Mozilla are taking tab groups out of Firefox :(
[01:18] <daftykins> it'll be some time yet, v45... but that's still sad
[01:19] <wileee> I use speed dial, never checked ff
[01:19] <wileee> less addons the better however
[01:31] <daftykins> nn folks! :)
[01:38] <OerHeks> :-)
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:04] <Latrodectus> good morning to you
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> hey Latrodectus
[05:20] <wileee> morning
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> morning wileee :p
[05:25] <wileee> ;)
[05:44] <wileee> mothership says no on a perfect world, takes all the fun out
[05:45]  * wileee adjust the tinfoil beret 
[05:51]  * lotuspsychje looks to the sky for aliens
[06:18] <Latrodectus> why look to the skys for aliens when you can just look in the mirror...
[06:22] <Latrodectus> http://www.wired.com/2015/11/cia-email-hackers-return-with-major-law-enforcement-breach/ lol
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> good noon to all
[11:09] <cfhowlett> evening ...
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> hey cfhowlett how are you doing today
[11:10] <cfhowlett> another day at the races and I'm tired of the upskirt view of the rat in front ...
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: what kind of races going on?
[11:11] <cfhowlett> rat races!  they don't have those where you live/?
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> no we dont lol
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> we have horses here, but not so popular
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> car/motorcycle races we have
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: did you ever win $$$ with the rats?
[11:14] <cfhowlett> nah.  in the rat race, you're lucky if you get your customary hourly wage on time.
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> :p
[11:31] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: man i downloaded a movie from http://torrentsmovies.net
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: lets not do that here
[11:31] <EriC^^> wth it asks for a password
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> pm
[11:32] <EriC^^> ok
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[11:54] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[11:54] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> bbl dinnertime
[14:46] <daftykins> hey all \o
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins
[14:47] <TJ-> afternoon :)
[14:47] <daftykins> new OS for my xbox and new build of windows 10 for official release today :O
[14:48] <daftykins> i trust upgrades for a console as much as i do a PC, so i'll be letting it install then performing a factory reset :D
[14:55] <TJ-> which reinstalls the original OS :D
[14:55] <daftykins> "welcome to XP"
[14:55] <daftykins> noooooo
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:56] <daftykins> one thing i have done is left that game install HDD disconnected ;)
[14:57] <TJ-> good plan Sherlock
[14:57] <TJ-> After last time you don't need to be messing about
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> bbl shop
[14:59] <TJ-> I'm trying get hold of a replacement for the ancient M34510E8 MCU so I can copy the code from the old one and test it on the workbench, and maybe improve the program a bit. Might have to invest in a Linux freezer
[14:59] <TJ-> I think I could just swap in an Arduino or RasPi actually :)
[15:00] <daftykins> :D
[15:00] <TJ-> I'm reverse-engineering the file format for the Windows InstallShield .Z files right now, so I can extract some ancient emulator/programmer tooling from Renesys for the range of MCUs it belongs to
[15:01] <daftykins> hehe, well if you need someone to quickly run something on Windows to pinch the files out of, i'd be happy to :)
[15:02] <TJ-> Well, all the controller had to do is read 3 thermistors, switch 4 mains outputs (condensor, evaporator fan, defrost heaters, read 4 GPIO buttons and write to an LCD display
[15:03] <TJ-> Oh, I could do it with wine, but the installer wants a licence acceptence and I don't want to accept the terms - I just need the spec for this MCU :)
[15:03] <TJ-> I enjoy reverse-engineering file formats anyhow; not done one in ages
[15:05] <daftykins> :D
[15:06] <TJ-> I've just finished decoding the headers and writing a program to display them cleanly so I can deduce the next layer
[15:08] <daftykins> that's dedication! i'd have whipped up a disposable VM ;)
[15:20] <TJ-> The Linux tools don't know how to read the format, but the magic is known, so as its pretty trivial I may as well write a library for it
[15:59] <Guest74872> hi, please help, career wise how ubuntu helpful over windows ?
[16:00] <TJ-> Linux implies you're able to think for yourself :)
[16:01] <Guest74872> TJ-: what does that mean
[16:01] <Guest74872> TJ-: i dont to be a end user on windows/ubuntu, i want to be developer or programmer and make a career, so does everyone here
[16:02] <Guest74872> kindly help, currently direction less, i knew it is very basic question, most of the time discussed , u see we are new audience here now, we missed that discuss that out bad luck
[16:02] <daftykins> i take it 'here' isn't this channel, because i don't want to be a dev.
[16:03] <Guest74872> do so there are documentation or archive of such discussion
[16:03] <daftykins> who are 'we' ? i have no idea what you mean.
[16:03] <Guest74872> we means we all
[16:03] <daftykins> also what language do you speak? you're quite hard to follow
[16:03] <Guest74872> we not only use but we further develop
[16:04] <daftykins> we are legion.
[16:04] <Guest74872> career wise, apart from unix admin, what we could be ? please tell me
[16:05] <daftykins> i think you'd be better off with #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:06] <Guest74872> dear from #ubuntu told  to go #ubuntu-discuss and now to #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:06] <Guest74872> hope i will get help
[16:10] <daftykins> well you see, the topic is discussion of ubuntu
[16:11] <TJ-> Guest74872: if you want to be a developer find an area of Ubuntu you're interested in, pull in the source code, and explore.
[16:13] <TJ-> Guest74872: learn about and practice with the tools that Ubuntu/Linux provides you. Learn about how a Linux system is built and its file-system organised. Learn about how the Linux kernel presents devices and services to userspace. The possibilities are endless
[16:15] <Guest74872> TJ-: scripting like  bash, ksh, awt , sed are my secondary skills
[16:16] <Guest74872> not full time job
[16:16] <Guest74872> i am oracle guy, full time on plsql
[16:16] <Guest74872> i schedule tasks under unix
[16:17] <Guest74872> secondary skillset is not my full time job
[16:17] <TJ-> Guest74872: the easiest way to learn is pick a subject are you're interested in and develop code for that
[16:18] <Guest74872> can scripting be made full time job ?
[16:18] <TJ-> no, it's a part of general system administration
[16:20] <Guest74872> in general databased are installed on servers, servers on mostly unix, unix will  system admin and databases will database admin
[16:21] <Guest74872> it above situation,   how many servers do company have, so how many system admins and how many database admin (dba)
[16:22] <Guest74872> hardly 5 servers if so, then 4-5 system admin and 4-5 dbas ...........where do programmers or developers fit and what work they do is my question
[16:26] <TJ-> programmers and write and package the code the sys/dbs-admins use
[16:26] <TJ-> s/programmers and/programmers and developers/
[16:27] <Guest74872> what are chances of application programmer (business logic ) under unix rather than system programmer ( developing tools, utils ...)
[16:27] <TJ-> there are many more application programmers than system programmers
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: what kind of games you play on xbox?
[18:01] <daftykins> mmm a lot really, Halo... co-op zombie survival thing with two local friends, racing games... platformers... puzzle games :D
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> nice
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: first person shooters?
[18:02] <daftykins> yeah sometimes
[18:02] <daftykins> i just grabbed this latest Halo 5 the other day
[18:02] <daftykins> this new OS is so much faster on this console now, i'm letting it download an older xbox360 game to test out the PPC emulation now :)
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> grabbed from the store yeah :p
[18:03] <daftykins> yep, usually i order online but i spent the extra £6 this time to support a local shop
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> nice
[18:03] <daftykins> £33.33 delivered from amazon UK, or £39.99 locally :D
[18:03] <daftykins> there's a new Tomb Raider out tomorrow that looks good, too
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> ohhhh lara rrrr
[18:04] <daftykins> haha
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> :p
[18:04] <daftykins> i should probably focus more on work than games :P
[18:04]  * lotuspsychje throws lara in OerHeks's neck
[18:05] <daftykins> reminds me, i need to quote for a patch panel, switch and cabling now
[18:05] <OerHeks> oh no, now the nerds are going after me
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> there are nerds here??
[18:06] <daftykins> XD
[18:06] <TJ-> I don't know how you guys find time for games !
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> TJ-:  we all have multiple screens like your layout :p
[18:07] <TJ-> but how do you find *time* to play?
[18:07] <daftykins> TJ-: by not really having a proper day job sadly :)
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> !life | TJ-
[18:07] <TJ-> I can understand if they were casual games, but those that require hours of play to get anywhere...!
[18:08] <daftykins> hehe
[18:08] <TJ-> life is offtopic - ubottu can eat my butt!
[18:08] <daftykins> it's quite a neat way to keep up with some friends who live in England, too
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: the more advanced gamers run through levels faster :p
[18:08] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: my partner plays games so I know - he has no time for life!
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> depends wich game of course
[18:08] <TJ-> bloody WoW!
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> like WOW
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> i dont understand those big $$$ spend time-eating games
[18:10] <TJ-> I can about find time to play Freecell a couple of times a week :)
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:11] <TJ-> I've just had a lot more fun trying to figure out why my structure definition for this file-format I'm reverse-engineering was 'stepping' over some bytes, making the following fields pick up the wrong data... then I realised I hadn't told te compiler to 'pack' the structure so 16-bit values were being aligned to 32-bits, shifting everything after along by 2 bytes
[18:11] <daftykins> ah see i can't tolerate those big ones that are life and soul sucking :)
[18:12]  * lotuspsychje facepalms
[18:12] <daftykins> puka is really annoying me
[18:13] <TJ-> right, well, now more life calls ... dinner to make. beefburger 'n chips, mmmm
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: i think its pikachu's brother lol
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> he came for revenge
[18:13] <daftykins> XD
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: bon apetit mate
[18:14] <OerHeks> it is, poeka/pikashoe
[18:14] <TJ-> you too.. don't go breaking any more mobos ... my TODO list is TOOLONG
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: i have another bug for you next haha
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: on the same system!
[18:14]  * TJ- runs faster than a Husky being chased by a sled
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> hahaha
[18:15] <daftykins> XD
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> to comfort you, it has been chasing me for all ubuntu versions
[18:15]  * OerHeks runs faster than a chihuahua after a pittbull
[18:15] <TJ-> oh - took them out for a very long road walk this morning... they're stiff and have been laid out all day since
[18:15] <OerHeks> Drabber is a killer, you know
[18:15] <TJ-> pftt - they can't keep up with me :)
[18:16]  * daftykins wonders if TJ- cycles with them
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1513801
[18:17] <TJ-> Over summer I rode whilst Pepper ran but now its wet its hard to do around the fields, ground is soft and bumpy and I get sprayed with mud and wet
[18:17] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: that'll be due to the GPU not being correctly initialised. could be flaky GPU memory that needs literally warming up
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: yeah could be another mobo motor issue :p
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> bloody ol abit :p
[18:18] <daftykins> crikey i've not had an Abit for years
[18:18] <daftykins> i just to love those but then all their good engineers/designers got poached by Asus i think
[18:19] <daftykins> so Asus are my new love :>
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> pretty stable mobo, but hard to config
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: yeah that link you pasted the other day rrrr
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> sexy mobo
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> in that case you showed / samsong 950 ssd
[18:20] <daftykins> :D
[18:20] <daftykins> i've decided to wait and see on that front, as i just know i'd spend the money and still just be here on IRC ;)
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:21] <daftykins> be a lot of fun to do a brand new build though
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> yeah my vision is, as long as the old hardware still working
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> plugged in ssd's everywhere and were good for years again
[18:23] <daftykins> :D
[18:23] <daftykins> well, my core 2 quad desktop is 8 years old this Christmas.
[18:23] <daftykins> i know that everything new is now 4 times faster, based on benchmarks
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> if its fast enough for us
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> i find ubuntu on older machines rocknroll
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> second life ecologic
[18:25] <daftykins> it's developed a few quirks with age too, i've dealt with it for a long time but eventually i'll just want something totally reliable
[18:25] <daftykins> mind you, i don't 100% fancy being an early adopter with those NVMe Samsung SSDs... there might be some kinks to work out for Q1'16 :)
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> im gonna stick with 850 pro for now
[18:26] <daftykins> plus, and i know you're not keen on this side of the world... but you have to use samsung's own NVMe driver under Windows right now as Microsoft's is a bit too new
[18:27] <daftykins> be nice if that were resolved so it didn't need to be done on clean installs
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> yeah herd that linux support is yet to come
[18:27] <daftykins> reminds me of floppy RAID drivers in server 2003 *shudder*
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> brrrr
[18:31] <daftykins> such a brave new world this, that 360 game just finished downloading -> went to run it, "700MB update"
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> oO
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> a bit like its host: 'winblows'
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> update all night lol
[18:32] <daftykins> now now, that's a rather youthful attitude :P
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[18:32] <daftykins> actually the new win10 was a 3GB download today ;)
[18:33] <daftykins> painful, but not far off seeing all the kernels mount up in ubuntu...
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: did you read what they will do with 7 and 8
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> in one year they wont sell it anymore
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> and force everyone to 10
[18:34] <daftykins> yep, but that happens when every release goes out of mainstream support
[18:34] <daftykins> it's no different than an ubuntu release going EOL
[18:34] <lotuspsychje> but 8 is brand new
[18:34] <daftykins> it also sucked :) standard rule, every other release is terrible
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> they all suck lol
[18:35] <daftykins> i was sat to see that Vista is still inside extended support until April 2017 or something
[18:35] <daftykins> i see problems with all OSs :)
[18:35] <daftykins> PaulW2U_: o/
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> ok movienight
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: laterz mate
[18:39] <daftykins> o/
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> :p
[19:40]  * TJ- returns belatedly
[19:40] <TJ-> daftykins: At least with Linux you have the choice to install an old release, and patch it yourself :)
[19:52] <daftykins> haha
[19:52] <daftykins> i can't think when i'd ever choose that mind you - but then i'm always thinking from the focus of my clients, not my own usage directly
[19:52] <daftykins> just the folks i support
[22:16] <MonkeyDust> !isitoutyet
[22:23] <OerHeks> out of what?
[22:24] <MonkeyDust> OerHeks  i meant it jokingly, referring to 16.04
[22:25] <OerHeks> i am on 15.04 :-D
[22:46] <daftykins> :>
[22:54] <wileee> insert pop reference to out here------>