[00:59] I have no question, is it oke to ask a non-question? [00:59] *hips* [01:03] that one needed euthanising ;) [01:04] ahh, nothing like a mod ban for real satisfaction [01:04] a lobotomy [01:05] err maybe that was the cause, we never know [01:06] some just do not take a gentle hint . [01:11] the freaks come out at night somewhere [01:17] :D [01:17] i can't believe Mozilla are taking tab groups out of Firefox :( [01:18] it'll be some time yet, v45... but that's still sad [01:19] I use speed dial, never checked ff [01:19] less addons the better however [01:31] nn folks! :) [01:38] :-) [04:59] good morning to all [05:04] good morning to you [05:13] hey Latrodectus [05:20] morning [05:24] morning wileee :p [05:25] ;) [05:44] mothership says no on a perfect world, takes all the fun out [05:45] * wileee adjust the tinfoil beret [05:51] * lotuspsychje looks to the sky for aliens [06:18] why look to the skys for aliens when you can just look in the mirror... [06:22] http://www.wired.com/2015/11/cia-email-hackers-return-with-major-law-enforcement-breach/ lol [10:58] good noon to all [11:09] evening ... [11:09] hey cfhowlett how are you doing today [11:10] another day at the races and I'm tired of the upskirt view of the rat in front ... [11:10] lol [11:11] cfhowlett: what kind of races going on? [11:11] rat races! they don't have those where you live/? [11:11] no we dont lol [11:12] we have horses here, but not so popular [11:12] car/motorcycle races we have [11:13] cfhowlett: did you ever win $$$ with the rats? [11:14] nah. in the rat race, you're lucky if you get your customary hourly wage on time. [11:14] :p [11:31] lotuspsychje: man i downloaded a movie from http://torrentsmovies.net [11:31] EriC^^: lets not do that here [11:31] wth it asks for a password [11:31] pm [11:32] ok [11:53] hey BluesKaj [11:54] 'Morning [11:54] hey lotuspsychje [12:19] bbl dinnertime [14:46] hey all \o [14:46] hey daftykins [14:47] afternoon :) [14:47] new OS for my xbox and new build of windows 10 for official release today :O [14:48] i trust upgrades for a console as much as i do a PC, so i'll be letting it install then performing a factory reset :D [14:55] which reinstalls the original OS :D [14:55] "welcome to XP" [14:55] noooooo [14:55] lol [14:56] one thing i have done is left that game install HDD disconnected ;) [14:57] good plan Sherlock [14:57] After last time you don't need to be messing about [14:58] bbl shop [14:59] I'm trying get hold of a replacement for the ancient M34510E8 MCU so I can copy the code from the old one and test it on the workbench, and maybe improve the program a bit. Might have to invest in a Linux freezer [14:59] I think I could just swap in an Arduino or RasPi actually :) [15:00] :D [15:00] I'm reverse-engineering the file format for the Windows InstallShield .Z files right now, so I can extract some ancient emulator/programmer tooling from Renesys for the range of MCUs it belongs to [15:01] hehe, well if you need someone to quickly run something on Windows to pinch the files out of, i'd be happy to :) [15:02] Well, all the controller had to do is read 3 thermistors, switch 4 mains outputs (condensor, evaporator fan, defrost heaters, read 4 GPIO buttons and write to an LCD display [15:03] Oh, I could do it with wine, but the installer wants a licence acceptence and I don't want to accept the terms - I just need the spec for this MCU :) [15:03] I enjoy reverse-engineering file formats anyhow; not done one in ages [15:05] :D [15:06] I've just finished decoding the headers and writing a program to display them cleanly so I can deduce the next layer [15:08] that's dedication! i'd have whipped up a disposable VM ;) [15:20] The Linux tools don't know how to read the format, but the magic is known, so as its pretty trivial I may as well write a library for it [15:59] hi, please help, career wise how ubuntu helpful over windows ? [16:00] Linux implies you're able to think for yourself :) [16:01] TJ-: what does that mean [16:01] TJ-: i dont to be a end user on windows/ubuntu, i want to be developer or programmer and make a career, so does everyone here [16:02] kindly help, currently direction less, i knew it is very basic question, most of the time discussed , u see we are new audience here now, we missed that discuss that out bad luck [16:02] i take it 'here' isn't this channel, because i don't want to be a dev. [16:03] do so there are documentation or archive of such discussion [16:03] who are 'we' ? i have no idea what you mean. [16:03] we means we all [16:03] also what language do you speak? you're quite hard to follow [16:03] we not only use but we further develop [16:04] we are legion. [16:04] career wise, apart from unix admin, what we could be ? please tell me [16:05] i think you'd be better off with #ubuntu-offtopic [16:06] dear from #ubuntu told to go #ubuntu-discuss and now to #ubuntu-offtopic [16:06] hope i will get help [16:10] well you see, the topic is discussion of ubuntu [16:11] Guest74872: if you want to be a developer find an area of Ubuntu you're interested in, pull in the source code, and explore. [16:13] Guest74872: learn about and practice with the tools that Ubuntu/Linux provides you. Learn about how a Linux system is built and its file-system organised. Learn about how the Linux kernel presents devices and services to userspace. The possibilities are endless [16:15] TJ-: scripting like bash, ksh, awt , sed are my secondary skills [16:16] not full time job [16:16] i am oracle guy, full time on plsql [16:16] i schedule tasks under unix [16:17] secondary skillset is not my full time job [16:17] Guest74872: the easiest way to learn is pick a subject are you're interested in and develop code for that [16:18] can scripting be made full time job ? [16:18] no, it's a part of general system administration [16:20] in general databased are installed on servers, servers on mostly unix, unix will system admin and databases will database admin [16:21] it above situation, how many servers do company have, so how many system admins and how many database admin (dba) [16:22] hardly 5 servers if so, then 4-5 system admin and 4-5 dbas ...........where do programmers or developers fit and what work they do is my question [16:26] programmers and write and package the code the sys/dbs-admins use [16:26] s/programmers and/programmers and developers/ [16:27] what are chances of application programmer (business logic ) under unix rather than system programmer ( developing tools, utils ...) [16:27] there are many more application programmers than system programmers [17:59] daftykins: what kind of games you play on xbox? [18:01] mmm a lot really, Halo... co-op zombie survival thing with two local friends, racing games... platformers... puzzle games :D [18:01] nice [18:01] daftykins: first person shooters? [18:02] yeah sometimes [18:02] i just grabbed this latest Halo 5 the other day [18:02] this new OS is so much faster on this console now, i'm letting it download an older xbox360 game to test out the PPC emulation now :) [18:02] grabbed from the store yeah :p [18:03] yep, usually i order online but i spent the extra £6 this time to support a local shop [18:03] nice [18:03] £33.33 delivered from amazon UK, or £39.99 locally :D [18:03] there's a new Tomb Raider out tomorrow that looks good, too [18:04] ohhhh lara rrrr [18:04] haha [18:04] :p [18:04] i should probably focus more on work than games :P [18:04] * lotuspsychje throws lara in OerHeks's neck [18:05] reminds me, i need to quote for a patch panel, switch and cabling now [18:05] oh no, now the nerds are going after me [18:05] lol [18:05] there are nerds here?? [18:06] XD [18:06] I don't know how you guys find time for games ! [18:07] TJ-: we all have multiple screens like your layout :p [18:07] but how do you find *time* to play? [18:07] TJ-: by not really having a proper day job sadly :) [18:07] !life | TJ- [18:07] TJ-: life is something very few people know about in this channel - and anyway, it's probably offtopic, perhaps you want to try #ubuntu-offtopic [18:07] I can understand if they were casual games, but those that require hours of play to get anywhere...! [18:08] hehe [18:08] life is offtopic - ubottu can eat my butt! [18:08] it's quite a neat way to keep up with some friends who live in England, too [18:08] TJ-: the more advanced gamers run through levels faster :p [18:08] lotuspsychje: my partner plays games so I know - he has no time for life! [18:08] depends wich game of course [18:08] bloody WoW! [18:09] like WOW [18:09] i dont understand those big $$$ spend time-eating games [18:10] I can about find time to play Freecell a couple of times a week :) [18:10] lol [18:11] I've just had a lot more fun trying to figure out why my structure definition for this file-format I'm reverse-engineering was 'stepping' over some bytes, making the following fields pick up the wrong data... then I realised I hadn't told te compiler to 'pack' the structure so 16-bit values were being aligned to 32-bits, shifting everything after along by 2 bytes [18:11] ah see i can't tolerate those big ones that are life and soul sucking :) [18:12] * lotuspsychje facepalms [18:12] puka is really annoying me [18:13] right, well, now more life calls ... dinner to make. beefburger 'n chips, mmmm [18:13] daftykins: i think its pikachu's brother lol [18:13] he came for revenge [18:13] XD [18:13] TJ-: bon apetit mate [18:14] it is, poeka/pikashoe [18:14] you too.. don't go breaking any more mobos ... my TODO list is TOOLONG [18:14] TJ-: i have another bug for you next haha [18:14] TJ-: on the same system! [18:14] * TJ- runs faster than a Husky being chased by a sled [18:14] hahaha [18:15] XD [18:15] to comfort you, it has been chasing me for all ubuntu versions [18:15] * OerHeks runs faster than a chihuahua after a pittbull [18:15] oh - took them out for a very long road walk this morning... they're stiff and have been laid out all day since [18:15] Drabber is a killer, you know [18:15] pftt - they can't keep up with me :) [18:16] * daftykins wonders if TJ- cycles with them [18:16] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1513801 [18:16] Ubuntu bug 1513801 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) "Scrambled screen and mouse pointer on first boot" [Undecided,New] [18:17] Over summer I rode whilst Pepper ran but now its wet its hard to do around the fields, ground is soft and bumpy and I get sprayed with mud and wet [18:17] lotuspsychje: that'll be due to the GPU not being correctly initialised. could be flaky GPU memory that needs literally warming up [18:18] TJ-: yeah could be another mobo motor issue :p [18:18] bloody ol abit :p [18:18] crikey i've not had an Abit for years [18:18] i just to love those but then all their good engineers/designers got poached by Asus i think [18:19] so Asus are my new love :> [18:19] pretty stable mobo, but hard to config [18:19] daftykins: yeah that link you pasted the other day rrrr [18:19] sexy mobo [18:20] in that case you showed / samsong 950 ssd [18:20] :D [18:20] i've decided to wait and see on that front, as i just know i'd spend the money and still just be here on IRC ;) [18:21] lol [18:21] be a lot of fun to do a brand new build though [18:21] yeah my vision is, as long as the old hardware still working [18:21] plugged in ssd's everywhere and were good for years again [18:23] :D [18:23] well, my core 2 quad desktop is 8 years old this Christmas. [18:23] i know that everything new is now 4 times faster, based on benchmarks [18:24] if its fast enough for us [18:24] i find ubuntu on older machines rocknroll [18:24] second life ecologic [18:25] it's developed a few quirks with age too, i've dealt with it for a long time but eventually i'll just want something totally reliable [18:25] mind you, i don't 100% fancy being an early adopter with those NVMe Samsung SSDs... there might be some kinks to work out for Q1'16 :) [18:25] yeah [18:25] im gonna stick with 850 pro for now [18:26] plus, and i know you're not keen on this side of the world... but you have to use samsung's own NVMe driver under Windows right now as Microsoft's is a bit too new [18:27] be nice if that were resolved so it didn't need to be done on clean installs [18:27] yeah herd that linux support is yet to come [18:27] reminds me of floppy RAID drivers in server 2003 *shudder* [18:27] brrrr [18:31] such a brave new world this, that 360 game just finished downloading -> went to run it, "700MB update" [18:32] oO [18:32] a bit like its host: 'winblows' [18:32] update all night lol [18:32] now now, that's a rather youthful attitude :P [18:32] hehe [18:32] actually the new win10 was a 3GB download today ;) [18:33] painful, but not far off seeing all the kernels mount up in ubuntu... [18:33] daftykins: did you read what they will do with 7 and 8 [18:33] in one year they wont sell it anymore [18:33] and force everyone to 10 [18:34] yep, but that happens when every release goes out of mainstream support [18:34] it's no different than an ubuntu release going EOL [18:34] but 8 is brand new [18:34] it also sucked :) standard rule, every other release is terrible [18:35] they all suck lol [18:35] i was sat to see that Vista is still inside extended support until April 2017 or something [18:35] i see problems with all OSs :) [18:35] PaulW2U_: o/ [18:39] ok movienight [18:39] daftykins: laterz mate [18:39] o/ [18:40] :p [19:40] * TJ- returns belatedly [19:40] daftykins: At least with Linux you have the choice to install an old release, and patch it yourself :) [19:52] haha [19:52] i can't think when i'd ever choose that mind you - but then i'm always thinking from the focus of my clients, not my own usage directly [19:52] just the folks i support === EriC^^ is now known as eeee === eeee is now known as EriC^^ [22:16] !isitoutyet [22:16] It's out! Party in #ubuntu-release-party - download at http://ubuntu.com/download/ [22:23] out of what? [22:24] OerHeks i meant it jokingly, referring to 16.04 [22:25] i am on 15.04 :-D [22:46] :> [22:54] insert pop reference to out here------>