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hikikoHello !!05:47
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pittiGodo morning06:36
hikikogood morning pitti07:01
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Laneyhey hey08:37
pittihey Laney, how are you?08:39
larsugood morning!08:42
Laneyahoy pitti, I'm good thanks!08:43
Laneywas at a party at the weekend with an Elvis impersonator and a (fake) casino08:43
* Laney ended with 15 extra fake dollars08:43
Laneywhat about you?08:43
Laneyand hey larsu!!!!08:43
larsuhi Laney! Sounds nice :)08:48
larsumorning pitti and hikiko!08:48
pittiLaney: hah, sounds fun! we had a nice weekend too; there was rather strong wind, I tried my new kite08:48
Laneyis it a stunt kite?08:49
hikikomorning larsu Laney pitti all08:49
pittiLaney: yes, but I'm not good enough yet for lots of stunts :)08:49
pittiLaney: I have this one: http://www.lenkdrachenshop.com/hq-lenkdrachen-maestro-iii-r2f-drachen-kite-sport-freizeit-neu-2014.html08:50
Laneyhey hikiko08:50
Laneygood weekend (and larsu)?08:50
pittihey larsu, hello hikiko!08:50
Laneypitti: fun! it was very windy here too, would have been interesting to fly a kite in it :P08:51
Laneywe have one like this http://www.skyhighkites.co.uk/shop/product/2486/HQ-Symphony-Beach-III-2,2M-Power-Kite.html08:51
larsuLaney: yes! Fainas family and a friend were here. Loads of fun and *a lot* of vodka08:51
Laneyknow some people who have a bigger one with four lines (instead of two), which are pretty powerful08:51
Laneylarsu: за ваше здоровье!08:53
Laneyask Faina if this is legit :P08:55
* Laney doesn't trust the internet08:55
pittiLaney: normally you say "na" sdorowje, not "sa"08:56
mitya57no, за is legit for a toast :)08:56
larsuLaney: already waiting for her reply ;)08:56
pittiLaney: ah, they should be a lot more stable in the air and need less wind, but also slower, right?08:56
Laneypitti: I've not tried one like yours before08:59
Laneybut you can float these box ones in place quite easily08:59
Laneythanks mitya57 ;-)08:59
Laneyoh I also found a great sloe bush and got enough for 3l of gin :)09:01
* Laney just got reminded by seeing them in the freezer09:01
willcookegood start09:05
Laneyhi willcooke09:06
Laneyhow's it going?09:06
willcookemorning Laney09:06
larsuhappy Monday willcooke09:08
seb128hey desktopers09:09
seb128hey willcooke Laney larsu pitti09:09
larsubonjour seb128!09:09
larsuhow ws your weekend?09:10
pittibonjour seb128 ! ça va ?09:10
seb128great! (out of the news/events in Paris)09:10
pittiseb128: et comment est ta famille ? vont-ils bons après Paris ?09:10
seb128pitti, oui, tout le monde que je connais pas bien, merci09:10
Laneyhey seb128!09:10
seb128spent saturday afternoon at a friend, played some football table and had fun there09:11
seb128and spent a quiet sunday with familly09:11
pittij'ai essayé demander didrocks, mais il n'a pas encore repondé09:11
seb128willcooke, is didrocks supposed to be off today?09:11
pittiyes, swap day09:11
seb128he didn't say anything on friday09:12
pittias per calendar09:12
willcookeyeah, swap09:12
willcookeoh, sorry just caught up09:12
seb128pitti, where did you ping him? telegram?09:12
davidcallewillcooke, scopes patches good to go09:17
davidcalleWell, good for review at least09:17
davidcalleAlso, hi o/09:17
willcookedavidcalle, thanks!  I saw your commits yesterday, thanks for working on that.  I'll poke the security team09:18
willcookemorning Trevinho09:26
seb128hey Trevinho09:27
Trevinhohey willcooke, seb12809:27
larsuhi Trevinho!09:31
larsuwhat's up?09:31
Trevinhohi larsu...09:31
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TrevinhoWhatttttt... There's a small bug in my LCD. In the space between the led light and the panel itself :o09:33
larsuhaha cool09:35
willcookeJust got an SMS from didrocks09:36
seb128willcooke, good09:42
willcookeTrevinho, the curse of the moving comma09:43
willcookehonestly, when I used to do IT support I have to see someone with a comma they couldn't delete09:43
willcookeand it was a bug crawling around09:44
pittiseb128: hah, il a repondé maintenant, lui et sa famille vont biens09:48
seb128pitti, super09:48
Trevinhoseb128: I've got a private mail from a guy saying that in u-s-d / upower that we ship there's no support for the keyboard backlight... Or better, it doesn't remember the previous settings.10:02
Trevinhoseb128: it seems the fix is in g-s-d 3.16, is there any plan to backport that?10:03
TrevinhoI guess there's a bug for that but I didn't search yet10:03
Laneyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1510344 ?10:06
ubot5`Ubuntu bug 1510344 in linux (Ubuntu) "Keyboard Backlight Turns on at boot" [Low,Confirmed]10:06
seb128Trevinho, no current plan afaik10:06
seb128but Laney seems to know more than me about that ;-)10:07
Laneyjust saw the bug10:07
TrevinhoLaney: that bug seems somewhat related more to the kernel though... The boot side, not the suspension one10:07
seb128I've no hardware to test on10:07
seb128so not going to be me that work on it10:07
Laneywhat does no support mean?10:07
Laneyit clearly does have some support10:07
TrevinhoSo the thing is:10:08
Trevinhoyou change the brightness level of the keyboard to a lower value -> suspend -> resume -> keyboard backlight is back to the maximum level10:08
Laneyif you know a fix then cherry pick it?10:08
TrevinhoYeah, that's the thing, I asked if anyone knew the fix :)10:09
* Trevinho looks in git10:09
TrevinhoLaney, seb128: from a quick look it seems it's not just a commit... We mostly need to backport the whole power plugin as it has been changed a lot to work with newest upower (which seems to support this thing)10:22
Trevinhothe changes aren't small, but it would be worth trying IMHO... As being updated on power-related stuff is always nice10:25
seb128Trevinho, we did backport the new upower work10:31
seb128the api changed we couldn't stay on the old one10:31
Trevinhomh weird... I made a diff between the two, and I see huge changes10:32
TrevinhoAPIs are ok, I mean.. But there's no support for new features maybe?10:32
seb128there was quite some refactoring, unsure about features10:37
willcookeseb128, Trevinho - any ideas why I don't see X here:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1477068/+nominate10:39
ubot5`Ubuntu bug 1477068 in unity (Ubuntu) "Activating an application through the indicators doesn't bring it to the foreground" [High,Triaged]10:39
willcookeIs it that Unity needs a special X branch set up>?10:40
Trevinhoseb128: it might be related to the change to  backlight_iface_emit_changed, which in our case only supports screen interface, not also keyboard one10:40
davmor2willcooke: bluetooth does work out of the box on the xps 13, it kinda looks like it does but it seems to be missing some firmware who do I need to ping about that?10:40
Trevinhowillcooke: that's an old issue, and... well, there's no real fix for that. Indicators have to be fixed to launch apps with the timestamp of the click event10:41
Trevinhowillcooke: I fixed some of them in the past, but not everyone is feasible as it needs some X dependencies10:41
seb128willcooke, those are unity project targets10:42
seb128not Ubuntu ones10:42
willcookeah, right, thanks10:42
willcookedavmor2, hrm.  Well, if it's firmware that we can get hold of an distribute I expect the foundations team will need to include it10:43
Laneychange the URL to /ubuntu/+source/unity...10:43
davmor2willcooke: dell have a deb I think in the driver pack after a lot of digging, but I followed steps for converting the windows to an ubuntu compatible version10:44
Trevinhoseb128: this might be a start... https://github.com/GNOME/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/5614e2c7a275a092e1fcf43450d7f0c5730c14bd10:45
davmor2willcooke: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dell_XPS_13_(2015)10:45
* Trevinho has not such keyboard to test with, though...10:46
seb128Trevinho, could be, but initial support was added in https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?id=ce295afb6dbd021d0375270bf2b4becacb9ef4db10:46
seb128which is in our codebase10:46
seb128so I guess it's mostly bugfixes10:46
seb128but I don't have a such keyboard either10:46
seb128so I can't test10:46
* Trevinho would backport the whole thing :P10:49
seb128go for it10:50
seb128we didn't hold on backporting for any special reason10:50
seb128it's just that nobody put the work to do it10:50
seb128also keep in mind that sometime the g-s-d changes imply g-c-c matchups and we can't update the frontend as easily since they completly changed the design/look compared to what we have10:51
willcookedavmor2, Hrm.  Sounds to me like we'd need to get that firmware included in the linux-firmware package.10:51
davmor2willcooke: it works perfectly once it is in place :)10:52
davmor2willcooke: I'll file a bug for it then10:52
willcookeda thanks10:53
willcookedavmor2, TheMuso10:53
willcookedavmor2, thanks10:53
davmor2tab doesn't work on words honest :)10:53
willcooke:)  try telling my fingers that10:54
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davmor2willcooke: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/151658012:10
ubot5`Ubuntu bug 1516580 in linux-firmware (Ubuntu) "Bluetooth firmware for dell xps 13" [High,New]12:10
willcookethx davmor212:10
Trevinhohikiko: can you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/compiz/scale-multimonitor-workarea/+merge/277561 ?12:16
hikikoTrevinho: sure in a while12:18
hikikoTrevinho, approved :D12:23
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desrthello desktop world13:02
hikikoHello desrt13:06
desrthappy monday, hikiko13:11
hikikoHappy Monday desrt13:12
* desrt looks at g+ page for event she is planning tomorrow13:12
desrt5 'yes', 11 'maybe'13:12
desrtgonna be fun making the restaurant reservation based on that...13:12
hikikoWhat's tomorrow ?13:14
desrti'd prefer not to discuss it.  it's a secret meeting.13:14
desrtbut here's a hint: it's something blue13:15
larsushe said, after bringing it up13:15
larsumorning desrt13:15
desrtmorning :D13:15
qenghoOh Monday, thoust vex me.14:06
larsuhi andyrock and qengho14:07
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willcookehey qengho andyrock14:35
willcookeqengho, the icon issues have gone away.  But the "opening a URL from xchat" issue remains.  I will do more testing though to make sure it's not me14:36
qenghowillcooke: Hrm. Thanks.14:39
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willcookepopping out to collect my car from the garage - bbiab15:18
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attenteany way to suppress -Werror=unused-parameter when packaging a qmake project?15:23
larsuattente: add -Wnounused-parameter to CFLAGS?15:24
larsuQMAKE_CXXFLAGS even :(15:24
larsubah, QMAKE_CFLAGS15:25
qenghowillcooke: "2015-09-26 Per Olofsson <pelle@debian.org> * xdg-mime: Check ~/.config/mimeapps.list instead of ~/.[local/share]/applications/mimeapps.list when looking for default application."   Well! Okay then. Found your xchat/firefox bug.15:26
attentelarsu: ah, ok, i'll try those, thanks15:26
larsuattente: you can also disable them with a pragma, but that's ugly I think15:27
attentelarsu: yeah. it's coming from generated code (gdbus-codegen). i might try to fix that upstream15:28
willcookeqengho, \o/15:39
larsuLaney: I dug a bit deeper on the black flicker issue this afternoon. We need the revert, but slightly amended to also work for windows with client side decorations (this was the difference that caused me to see the bug in 3.16.0 as well)16:11
larsuLaney: but I doubt this will be accepted upstream - the function is deprecated because the frame sync protocol seems to be considered a dependency of gtk now16:11
Laneylarsu: all of these https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/log/?h=gtk-3-18&qt=grep&q=don't+call+gtk_style_context ?16:15
larsuLaney: I'm unsure, but the flickering should only be a problem on top-level windows16:16
Laneyworth talking to cosimoc?16:16
larsuhave you noticed any problems with the other widgets?16:16
larsunot unless we have a prolem16:17
larsuTrevinho: have you ever thought about implementing that frame sync thing in compiz? I guess it's quite hard because it touches lots of things?16:17
LaneyI mean, presumably this commit was done for some reason16:18
Laneynot that the commit message is clear16:18
larsuwhich commit?16:18
Laneythe one you want to revert16:19
larsuyes, the function is deprecated16:19
larsuwidgets are supposed to draw their own background16:19
larsuwhich happens too late on compiz, because it doesn't wait for the signal from gtk that the frame is done16:20
larsucalling set_background() sets the background color of the x window16:20
larsuso we see an incomplete frame, but because the color is the same as the background color, it's not as noticable16:21
LaneyI see16:24
Laneythanks for the info16:24
larsudid you already upload the revert?16:24
Laneywant to hear from Trevinho about the frame sync stuff, that would be nicer depending on how bad it would be to do16:24
LaneyI'm not that fast anyway /o\16:24
larsuthat's good - I'll propose a patch in a bit that makes it work for csd windows as well16:25
Laneynot going to be for today at any rate16:26
Laneybut still want to hear about fixing it properly16:26
larsuya, of course16:26
Laneythanks for the investigation!16:27
larsuLaney: proposed at https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/gtk/remove-black-flicker/+merge/27759516:37
Trevinholarsu: mh, sorry I was otp...16:40
Trevinholarsu: I saw it at the time I was looking at the mir gdk backend, but I didn't know it was in X as well16:50
larsuTrevinho: it has been for a couple of years :)17:10
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willcookecalling it a day17:48
willcookeg'night all17:48
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n8shi all23:40
n8sthis may be tricky... but i have to ask23:40
n8si have a laptop fine-tuned with all the apps and settings to my liking. it has been a pita to set it up. Now im ready to make the move on my desktop to ubuntu and say byebye to windows 10, ¿is there any way to "clone" the settings and installed packages automagically?23:41
sarnoldn8s: dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections may be able to do the packages for you, though actually getting apt to follow those directions may be more work; I'm just content to apt-get install the packages I need when I need them, though, to avoid installing and updating software I don't use often..23:44
sarnoldn8s: you can copy your home directory over, that ought to be a good starting point for most user-facing programs; i'd cherry pick files from /etc/ as needed for the system-wide configurations23:45
sarnoldn8s: many people store their /etc and dotfiles in git or something similar, see etckeeper for a quick intro there23:45
n8sthank for pointing me that, sounds interesting23:45
n8showever if there is nothing that "migrates" it automatically, i guess i will do what you said first and make it work as i need it23:46
n8showewer... i find surprising that ubuntu lacks an utility for doing this. i understand that this can be perfectly done with CLI+patience combo, but some user friendly solution would be awe23:48
n8sanyway, thanks a lot sarnold23:49
sarnoldn8s: if you're installing dozens to thousands of machines, there's options that are probably worth exploring :)23:49
sarnoldn8s: but for two systems, there's not much pre-built23:50

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