[05:47] <hikiko> Hello !!
[06:36] <pitti> Godo morning
[07:01] <hikiko> good morning pitti
[08:37] <Laney> hey hey
[08:39] <pitti> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:42] <larsu> good morning!
[08:43] <Laney> ahoy pitti, I'm good thanks!
[08:43] <Laney> was at a party at the weekend with an Elvis impersonator and a (fake) casino
[08:43]  * Laney ended with 15 extra fake dollars
[08:43] <Laney> what about you?
[08:43] <Laney> and hey larsu!!!!
[08:48] <larsu> hi Laney! Sounds nice :)
[08:48] <larsu> morning pitti and hikiko!
[08:48] <pitti> Laney: hah, sounds fun! we had a nice weekend too; there was rather strong wind, I tried my new kite
[08:49] <Laney> nice
[08:49] <Laney> is it a stunt kite?
[08:49] <hikiko> morning larsu Laney pitti all
[08:49] <pitti> Laney: yes, but I'm not good enough yet for lots of stunts :)
[08:50] <pitti> Laney: I have this one: http://www.lenkdrachenshop.com/hq-lenkdrachen-maestro-iii-r2f-drachen-kite-sport-freizeit-neu-2014.html
[08:50] <Laney> hey hikiko
[08:50] <Laney> good weekend (and larsu)?
[08:50] <pitti> hey larsu, hello hikiko!
[08:51] <Laney> pitti: fun! it was very windy here too, would have been interesting to fly a kite in it :P
[08:51] <Laney> we have one like this http://www.skyhighkites.co.uk/shop/product/2486/HQ-Symphony-Beach-III-2,2M-Power-Kite.html
[08:51] <larsu> Laney: yes! Fainas family and a friend were here. Loads of fun and *a lot* of vodka
[08:51] <Laney> know some people who have a bigger one with four lines (instead of two), which are pretty powerful
[08:53] <Laney> larsu: за ваше здоровье!
[08:55] <Laney> ask Faina if this is legit :P
[08:55]  * Laney doesn't trust the internet
[08:56] <pitti> Laney: normally you say "na" sdorowje, not "sa"
[08:56] <mitya57> no, за is legit for a toast :)
[08:56] <larsu> Laney: already waiting for her reply ;)
[08:56] <pitti> Laney: ah, they should be a lot more stable in the air and need less wind, but also slower, right?
[08:59] <Laney> pitti: I've not tried one like yours before
[08:59] <Laney> but you can float these box ones in place quite easily
[08:59] <Laney> thanks mitya57 ;-)
[09:01] <Laney> oh I also found a great sloe bush and got enough for 3l of gin :)
[09:01]  * Laney just got reminded by seeing them in the freezer
[09:05] <willcooke> mornign
[09:05] <willcooke> urg
[09:05] <willcooke> good start
[09:06] <Laney> hi willcooke
[09:06] <Laney> how's it going?
[09:06] <willcooke> morning Laney
[09:08] <larsu> happy Monday willcooke
[09:09] <seb128> hey desktopers
[09:09] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney larsu pitti
[09:09] <larsu> bonjour seb128!
[09:10] <larsu> how ws your weekend?
[09:10] <pitti> bonjour seb128 ! ça va ?
[09:10] <seb128> great! (out of the news/events in Paris)
[09:10] <pitti> seb128: et comment est ta famille ? vont-ils bons après Paris ?
[09:10] <seb128> pitti, oui, tout le monde que je connais pas bien, merci
[09:10] <Laney> hey seb128!
[09:11] <seb128> spent saturday afternoon at a friend, played some football table and had fun there
[09:11] <seb128> and spent a quiet sunday with familly
[09:11] <pitti> j'ai essayé demander didrocks, mais il n'a pas encore repondé
[09:11] <seb128> willcooke, is didrocks supposed to be off today?
[09:11] <pitti> yes, swap day
[09:12] <seb128> he didn't say anything on friday
[09:12] <pitti> as per calendar
[09:12] <willcooke> yeah, swap
[09:12] <seb128> k
[09:12] <willcooke> oh, sorry just caught up
[09:12] <seb128> pitti, where did you ping him? telegram?
[09:12] <pitti> oui
[09:17] <davidcalle> willcooke, scopes patches good to go
[09:17] <davidcalle> Well, good for review at least
[09:17] <davidcalle> Also, hi o/
[09:18] <willcooke> davidcalle, thanks!  I saw your commits yesterday, thanks for working on that.  I'll poke the security team
[09:25] <Trevinho> hi
[09:26] <willcooke> morning Trevinho
[09:27] <seb128> hey Trevinho
[09:27] <Trevinho> hey willcooke, seb128
[09:31] <larsu> hi Trevinho!
[09:31] <larsu> what's up?
[09:31] <Trevinho> hi larsu...
[09:33] <Trevinho> Whatttttt... There's a small bug in my LCD. In the space between the led light and the panel itself :o
[09:35] <larsu> haha cool
[09:36] <willcooke> Just got an SMS from didrocks
[09:42] <seb128> willcooke, good
[09:43] <willcooke> Trevinho, the curse of the moving comma
[09:43] <willcooke> honestly, when I used to do IT support I have to see someone with a comma they couldn't delete
[09:44] <willcooke> and it was a bug crawling around
[09:44] <Trevinho> :D
[09:48] <pitti> seb128: hah, il a repondé maintenant, lui et sa famille vont biens
[09:48] <seb128> pitti, super
[10:02] <Trevinho> seb128: I've got a private mail from a guy saying that in u-s-d / upower that we ship there's no support for the keyboard backlight... Or better, it doesn't remember the previous settings.
[10:03] <Trevinho> seb128: it seems the fix is in g-s-d 3.16, is there any plan to backport that?
[10:03] <Trevinho> I guess there's a bug for that but I didn't search yet
[10:06] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1510344 ?
[10:06] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1510344 in linux (Ubuntu) "Keyboard Backlight Turns on at boot" [Low,Confirmed]
[10:06] <seb128> Trevinho, no current plan afaik
[10:07] <seb128> but Laney seems to know more than me about that ;-)
[10:07] <Trevinho> :)
[10:07] <Laney> just saw the bug
[10:07] <Trevinho> Laney: that bug seems somewhat related more to the kernel though... The boot side, not the suspension one
[10:07] <seb128> I've no hardware to test on
[10:07] <seb128> so not going to be me that work on it
[10:07] <Laney> what does no support mean?
[10:07] <Laney> it clearly does have some support
[10:08] <Trevinho> So the thing is:
[10:08] <Trevinho> you change the brightness level of the keyboard to a lower value -> suspend -> resume -> keyboard backlight is back to the maximum level
[10:08] <Laney> if you know a fix then cherry pick it?
[10:09] <Trevinho> Yeah, that's the thing, I asked if anyone knew the fix :)
[10:09]  * Trevinho looks in git
[10:22] <Trevinho> Laney, seb128: from a quick look it seems it's not just a commit... We mostly need to backport the whole power plugin as it has been changed a lot to work with newest upower (which seems to support this thing)
[10:25] <Trevinho> the changes aren't small, but it would be worth trying IMHO... As being updated on power-related stuff is always nice
[10:31] <seb128> Trevinho, we did backport the new upower work
[10:31] <seb128> the api changed we couldn't stay on the old one
[10:32] <Trevinho> mh weird... I made a diff between the two, and I see huge changes
[10:32] <Trevinho> APIs are ok, I mean.. But there's no support for new features maybe?
[10:37] <seb128> there was quite some refactoring, unsure about features
[10:37] <seb128> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/log/?qt=grep&q=power
[10:39] <willcooke> seb128, Trevinho - any ideas why I don't see X here:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1477068/+nominate
[10:39] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1477068 in unity (Ubuntu) "Activating an application through the indicators doesn't bring it to the foreground" [High,Triaged]
[10:40] <willcooke> Is it that Unity needs a special X branch set up>?
[10:40] <Trevinho> seb128: it might be related to the change to  backlight_iface_emit_changed, which in our case only supports screen interface, not also keyboard one
[10:40] <davmor2> willcooke: bluetooth does work out of the box on the xps 13, it kinda looks like it does but it seems to be missing some firmware who do I need to ping about that?
[10:41] <Trevinho> willcooke: that's an old issue, and... well, there's no real fix for that. Indicators have to be fixed to launch apps with the timestamp of the click event
[10:41] <Trevinho> willcooke: I fixed some of them in the past, but not everyone is feasible as it needs some X dependencies
[10:42] <seb128> willcooke, those are unity project targets
[10:42] <seb128> not Ubuntu ones
[10:42] <willcooke> ah, right, thanks
[10:43] <willcooke> davmor2, hrm.  Well, if it's firmware that we can get hold of an distribute I expect the foundations team will need to include it
[10:43] <Laney> change the URL to /ubuntu/+source/unity...
[10:44] <davmor2> willcooke: dell have a deb I think in the driver pack after a lot of digging, but I followed steps for converting the windows to an ubuntu compatible version
[10:45] <Trevinho> seb128: this might be a start... https://github.com/GNOME/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/5614e2c7a275a092e1fcf43450d7f0c5730c14bd
[10:45] <davmor2> willcooke: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dell_XPS_13_(2015)
[10:46]  * Trevinho has not such keyboard to test with, though...
[10:46] <seb128> Trevinho, could be, but initial support was added in https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?id=ce295afb6dbd021d0375270bf2b4becacb9ef4db
[10:46] <seb128> which is in our codebase
[10:46] <seb128> so I guess it's mostly bugfixes
[10:46] <seb128> but I don't have a such keyboard either
[10:46] <seb128> so I can't test
[10:49]  * Trevinho would backport the whole thing :P
[10:50] <seb128> go for it
[10:50] <seb128> we didn't hold on backporting for any special reason
[10:50] <seb128> it's just that nobody put the work to do it
[10:51] <seb128> also keep in mind that sometime the g-s-d changes imply g-c-c matchups and we can't update the frontend as easily since they completly changed the design/look compared to what we have
[10:51] <willcooke> davmor2, Hrm.  Sounds to me like we'd need to get that firmware included in the linux-firmware package.
[10:52] <davmor2> willcooke: it works perfectly once it is in place :)
[10:52] <davmor2> willcooke: I'll file a bug for it then
[10:53] <willcooke> da thanks
[10:53] <willcooke> davmor2, TheMuso
[10:53] <willcooke> argh
[10:53] <willcooke> davmor2, thanks
[10:53] <davmor2> tab doesn't work on words honest :)
[10:54] <willcooke> :)  try telling my fingers that
[12:10] <davmor2> willcooke: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/1516580
[12:10] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1516580 in linux-firmware (Ubuntu) "Bluetooth firmware for dell xps 13" [High,New]
[12:10] <willcooke> thx davmor2
[12:16] <Trevinho> hikiko: can you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/compiz/scale-multimonitor-workarea/+merge/277561 ?
[12:18] <hikiko> Trevinho: sure in a while
[12:23] <hikiko> Trevinho, approved :D
[13:02] <desrt> hello desktop world
[13:06] <hikiko> Hello desrt
[13:11] <desrt> happy monday, hikiko
[13:12] <hikiko> Happy Monday desrt
[13:12]  * desrt looks at g+ page for event she is planning tomorrow
[13:12] <desrt> 5 'yes', 11 'maybe'
[13:12] <desrt> gonna be fun making the restaurant reservation based on that...
[13:14] <hikiko> What's tomorrow ?
[13:14] <desrt> i'd prefer not to discuss it.  it's a secret meeting.
[13:15] <desrt> but here's a hint: it's something blue
[13:15] <larsu> she said, after bringing it up
[13:15] <larsu> morning desrt
[13:15] <desrt> morning :D
[14:06] <andyrock> "morning"
[14:06] <andyrock> :D
[14:06] <qengho> Oh Monday, thoust vex me.
[14:07] <larsu> hi andyrock and qengho
[14:35] <willcooke> hey qengho andyrock
[14:36] <willcooke> qengho, the icon issues have gone away.  But the "opening a URL from xchat" issue remains.  I will do more testing though to make sure it's not me
[14:39] <qengho> willcooke: Hrm. Thanks.
[15:18] <willcooke> popping out to collect my car from the garage - bbiab
[15:23] <attente> any way to suppress -Werror=unused-parameter when packaging a qmake project?
[15:24] <larsu> attente: add -Wnounused-parameter to CFLAGS?
[15:24] <larsu> QMAKE_CXXFLAGS even :(
[15:25] <larsu> bah, QMAKE_CFLAGS
[15:26] <qengho> willcooke: "2015-09-26 Per Olofsson <pelle@debian.org> * xdg-mime: Check ~/.config/mimeapps.list instead of ~/.[local/share]/applications/mimeapps.list when looking for default application."   Well! Okay then. Found your xchat/firefox bug.
[15:26] <attente> larsu: ah, ok, i'll try those, thanks
[15:27] <larsu> attente: you can also disable them with a pragma, but that's ugly I think
[15:28] <attente> larsu: yeah. it's coming from generated code (gdbus-codegen). i might try to fix that upstream
[15:39] <willcooke> qengho, \o/
[16:11] <larsu> Laney: I dug a bit deeper on the black flicker issue this afternoon. We need the revert, but slightly amended to also work for windows with client side decorations (this was the difference that caused me to see the bug in 3.16.0 as well)
[16:11] <larsu> Laney: but I doubt this will be accepted upstream - the function is deprecated because the frame sync protocol seems to be considered a dependency of gtk now
[16:15] <Laney> larsu: all of these https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/log/?h=gtk-3-18&qt=grep&q=don't+call+gtk_style_context ?
[16:16] <larsu> Laney: I'm unsure, but the flickering should only be a problem on top-level windows
[16:16] <Laney> worth talking to cosimoc?
[16:16] <larsu> have you noticed any problems with the other widgets?
[16:17] <larsu> not unless we have a prolem
[16:17] <larsu> *problem
[16:17] <larsu> Trevinho: have you ever thought about implementing that frame sync thing in compiz? I guess it's quite hard because it touches lots of things?
[16:18] <Laney> I mean, presumably this commit was done for some reason
[16:18] <Laney> not that the commit message is clear
[16:18] <larsu> which commit?
[16:19] <Laney> the one you want to revert
[16:19] <larsu> yes, the function is deprecated
[16:19] <larsu> widgets are supposed to draw their own background
[16:20] <larsu> which happens too late on compiz, because it doesn't wait for the signal from gtk that the frame is done
[16:20] <larsu> calling set_background() sets the background color of the x window
[16:21] <larsu> so we see an incomplete frame, but because the color is the same as the background color, it's not as noticable
[16:24] <Laney> I see
[16:24] <Laney> thanks for the info
[16:24] <larsu> did you already upload the revert?
[16:24] <Laney> want to hear from Trevinho about the frame sync stuff, that would be nicer depending on how bad it would be to do
[16:24] <Laney> no
[16:24] <Laney> I'm not that fast anyway /o\
[16:25] <larsu> that's good - I'll propose a patch in a bit that makes it work for csd windows as well
[16:26] <Laney> not going to be for today at any rate
[16:26] <Laney> but still want to hear about fixing it properly
[16:26] <larsu> ya, of course
[16:27] <Laney> thanks for the investigation!
[16:27] <larsu> :)
[16:37] <larsu> Laney: proposed at https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/gtk/remove-black-flicker/+merge/277595
[16:40] <Trevinho> larsu: mh, sorry I was otp...
[16:50] <Trevinho> larsu: I saw it at the time I was looking at the mir gdk backend, but I didn't know it was in X as well
[17:10] <larsu> Trevinho: it has been for a couple of years :)
[17:40] <seb128> back!
[17:48] <willcooke> calling it a day
[17:48] <willcooke> g'night all
[21:07]  * qengho afk.
[23:40] <n8s> hi all
[23:40] <n8s> this may be tricky... but i have to ask
[23:41] <n8s> i have a laptop fine-tuned with all the apps and settings to my liking. it has been a pita to set it up. Now im ready to make the move on my desktop to ubuntu and say byebye to windows 10, ¿is there any way to "clone" the settings and installed packages automagically?
[23:44] <sarnold> n8s: dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections may be able to do the packages for you, though actually getting apt to follow those directions may be more work; I'm just content to apt-get install the packages I need when I need them, though, to avoid installing and updating software I don't use often..
[23:45] <sarnold> n8s: you can copy your home directory over, that ought to be a good starting point for most user-facing programs; i'd cherry pick files from /etc/ as needed for the system-wide configurations
[23:45] <sarnold> n8s: many people store their /etc and dotfiles in git or something similar, see etckeeper for a quick intro there
[23:45] <n8s> thank for pointing me that, sounds interesting
[23:46] <n8s> however if there is nothing that "migrates" it automatically, i guess i will do what you said first and make it work as i need it
[23:48] <n8s> howewer... i find surprising that ubuntu lacks an utility for doing this. i understand that this can be perfectly done with CLI+patience combo, but some user friendly solution would be awe
[23:49] <n8s> anyway, thanks a lot sarnold
[23:49] <sarnold> n8s: if you're installing dozens to thousands of machines, there's options that are probably worth exploring :)
[23:50] <sarnold> n8s: but for two systems, there's not much pre-built