[06:01] <pieter2627> morning all
[06:08] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[06:12] <anton> mornings all
[06:56] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:40] <Kilos> morning everyone
[08:40] <Kilos> and inetpro 
[08:40] <thatgraemeguy> 'lo
[09:09] <pieter2627> so does anyone think we might have rain today?
[09:09]  * pieter2627 hopes so
[10:50] <theblazehen> Hope so too. This rm commands been running like 27 hours now...
[10:54] <Vlekkie> Ola
[10:54] <theblazehen> sup Vlekkie 
[10:55] <Vlekkie> Not much, just sad, wbu?
[10:55] <theblazehen> I'm alright
[10:57] <Vlekkie> Everyone else sleeping or something?
[10:58] <theblazehen> Been quiet last few days
[10:59] <Vlekkie> But IRC seems a bit dead compared to a few years back
[10:59] <theblazehen> Yeah
[11:02] <MaNI> everybody too busy trying to stay afloat in our shitty economy, no time for luxuries like IRC anymore
[11:02] <Vlekkie> Allot of people don't know what IRC is nowadays, so not surprised tho lol
[11:03] <Vlekkie> True ^
[11:03] <Vlekkie> Mani: hows it going?
[11:04] <MaNI> generally okay, november always the worst month of the year
[11:04] <MaNI> you?
[11:05] <Vlekkie> Fine thanks
[11:50] <inetpro> Kilos: have you had rain yet?
[11:51] <inetpro> here in town we had some coming down nicely for a few minutes then suddenly all gone again
[12:30] <Sxuza> ola 
[12:31] <Sxuza> it rained here last noght 
[12:31] <Sxuza> night 
[12:31] <Sxuza> East London 
[12:31] <Sxuza> seems to me, we're not bad hit by this "lack of water" thingie 
[12:31] <Sxuza> or mayb its me im so ignorant , i dont know 
[13:11] <Kilos> not yet inetpro just the cold
[13:11] <Kilos> just woke up shivvering
[13:29]  * who_da_fly jumps on Kilos 
[13:31] <who_da_fly> Yeesh, I go away and everyone disappears.
[13:31] <Kilos> ohi who_da_fly 
[13:32] <Kilos> sorry was outside checking the weather
[13:33] <who_da_fly> Kilos: I'm in Mozambique now.
[13:33] <Kilos> oh y
[13:33] <Kilos> m
[13:33] <Kilos> my
[13:33] <Kilos> for how long who_da_fly 
[13:33] <Kilos> just business hey
[13:34] <Kilos> i saw the boys with the braai
[13:34] <Kilos> well sitting under the umbrella
[13:34] <who_da_fly> Till Saturday. Yes, we literally went straight from the airport to their office, sat down and started working :-(
[13:34] <who_da_fly> yeah, they were so cute.
[13:35] <Kilos> ya
[13:35] <Kilos> this stupid laptop gives weak sounds with alerts
[13:36] <Kilos> even bell.ogg is feeble
[13:36] <Kilos> so i sleep past most things
[13:36] <Kilos> its busy trying to storm here, so power might go 
[13:37] <who_da_fly> OK. We had a storm last night. Lots of lightning and HUGE rain drops
[13:42] <Kilos> do you understand portugese
[13:42] <Kilos> hehe
[13:42] <who_da_fly> no, not at all
[13:42] <who_da_fly> been fun trying to buy coffee
[13:43] <Kilos> hahaha
[13:43] <who_da_fly> I threw one back at them... I spoke in Afrikaans
[13:43] <Kilos> their seafood used to be very cheap
[13:43] <Kilos> hahaha
[13:45] <Kilos> are you alone there who_da_fly 
[13:46] <Kilos> or did you go in a business group
[13:56] <who_da_fly> Kilos: I'm here with 2 colleagues
[13:57] <Kilos> thats better
[14:09] <who_da_fly> Kilos: how much does a 500meg data bundle cost?
[14:10] <Kilos> sec ill check
[14:10] <Kilos> R69
[14:12] <who_da_fly> Kilos: which SP?
[14:12] <who_da_fly> network
[14:12] <Kilos> telkom mobile
[14:12] <Kilos> do they have it there?
[14:13] <who_da_fly> No. They have Vodacom. Vodacom SA is R100 for a 500 meg bundle.
[14:14] <Kilos> ouch
[14:14] <Kilos> telkom is 1g for R99
[14:15] <who_da_fly> Here in Mozambique, it's R32 for 500 megs
[14:15] <Kilos> nice
[14:17] <inetpro> who_da_fly: how much for 1GB there?
[14:22] <inetpro> R32 for 500MB (6c per MB) is not bad 
[14:23] <inetpro> Kilos: have you checked the time based data bundles of Telkom yet?
[14:23] <Kilos> nope inetpro 
[14:23] <inetpro> you can get 1GB for R59
[14:23] <Kilos> it doesnt show on the online thing'
[14:23] <inetpro> sadly just valid over a weekend
[14:24] <Kilos> what kinda time base
[14:24] <Kilos> haha
[14:24] <inetpro> weekend
[14:24] <Kilos> im  hoping to leave for aus before my data runs out'
[14:24] <inetpro> or R39 for 500MB
[14:25] <Kilos> waiting for online visa app to be approved
[14:25] <inetpro> wow!
[14:25] <Kilos> the for  3 months ill chat to you from 9 hours ahead of you
[14:25] <Kilos> then
[14:27] <Kilos> weekend only bundles are kinda pointless i think
[14:27] <Kilos> to me anyway
[14:28] <inetpro> could be useful to download an ISO
[14:31] <Kilos> oh ya
[14:31] <Kilos> my next iso download is 16.04
[14:31] <who_da_fly> inetpro: 200MT, so R64
[14:32] <inetpro> interesting
[14:40] <inetpro> oh but hang on who_da_fly, it looks like those prepaid plans for 512MB and 1GB are just valid for 7 days
[14:40] <Kilos> somewhere is gonna get some rain i think
[14:40] <Kilos> lotsa clouds and thunder
[14:41] <inetpro> who_da_fly: good enough for you on your short trip but rather costly if you had to live on it like Kilos does
[14:41] <who_da_fly> inetpro: I don't need it longer
[14:41] <who_da_fly> who_da_fly: true
[14:42] <Kilos> ya
[14:42] <who_da_fly> gah. referencing myself. how silly
[14:42] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:42] <Kilos> old age
[14:42] <inetpro> anyway, don't think oom Kilos or any one of us would want to relocate to MZ any time soon :-)
[14:43] <Kilos> nope
[14:44] <Kilos> at one time i actually thought of going there and running a forklift repair business
[14:44] <Kilos> apparently the docks are full of broke ones
[14:44] <Kilos> broken
[15:03] <who_da_fly> Kilos: it's almost always warm here
[15:03] <Kilos> ya that place is more tropical
[15:05] <Kilos> even more so than durbs
[15:06] <Kilos> mangoes and pawpaws used to be dirt cheap there
[15:06] <Kilos> and avos i think
[15:06] <Kilos> many years ago
[15:07] <Kilos> hi Audio 
[15:07] <Kilos> you a noisy kinda person?
[15:07] <Kilos> or musical
[15:07] <Kilos> rain starting inetpro 
[15:08] <Kilos> you gona get wet
[15:12] <who_da_fly> Kilos: yes, mangoes grow everywhere here
[15:12] <who_da_fly> and there's a papaya tree in the yard behind the office
[16:13] <Kilos> tower got such a shock when it started raining it dropped signal
[16:13] <Kilos> sigh
[16:14] <Kilos> you wet inetpro 
[16:14] <Kilos> or did you get wet
[16:35] <inetpro> Kilos-: I got wet but I survived 
[16:35] <Kilos-> yay
[16:35] <Kilos-> weve had 2mm
[16:35] <inetpro> luckily just got through before the big hailstorm now 
[16:35] <Kilos-> wow
[16:39] <inetpro> poor Loerie (Kwêvoël/go-away-bird) even landed in the swimming pool with the stones from above 
[16:40] <Kilos-> eiah
[16:40] <Kilos-> eiah
[16:40] <Kilos-> ai!
[16:40] <Kilos-> eish
[16:48] <inetpro> hope it survives after drying it up a bit and releasing it again 
[16:49] <Kilos-> shame man
[17:08] <inetpro> Kilos-: 20mm
[17:17] <Kilos-> wow
[17:18] <Kilos-> we had 7mm
[17:38] <Kilos-> Audioburn feel frre to say hi to us
[17:38] <Kilos-> free
[17:40] <magespawn> good evening
[17:40] <Kilos-> hi magespawn 
[18:00] <magespawn> hey Kilos- 
[18:01] <Trixar_za> I noticed something nice about current MineTest - new V6 areas come with iced over water and layers of snow.
[18:15] <magespaw1> Selecting best server based on latency...
[18:15] <magespaw1> Hosted by Pocketinet Communications (Walla Walla, WA) [98.03 km]: 15.835 ms
[18:15] <magespaw1> Testing download speed........................................
[18:15] <magespaw1> Download: 527.77 Mbit/s
[18:15] <magespaw1> Testing upload speed..................................................
[18:15] <magespaw1> Upload: 163.16 Mbit/s
[18:16] <magespaw1> brb
[18:17] <magespawn> better 
[18:17] <magespawn> nice speed hey
[18:18] <Kilos> jsable yeah
[18:18] <Kilos> usable
[18:19] <magespawn> now that would be nice if that was my local speed
[18:19] <Kilos> either im getting blinder or my fingers are getting stupider
[18:19] <magespawn> fingers can be very stupid some days
[18:19] <Kilos> haha
[18:23] <Kilos> we ned to do this here as well
[18:23] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UCADay
[18:24] <Kilos> need
[18:24] <magespawn> amazing, connecting through vodacom i get temporary failure in name resolution, through cellc everything works fine
[18:25] <magespawn> every night between 8 and 10
[18:25] <Kilos> magespawn what speedtest is that?
[18:30] <Kilos> my internet is very slow tonight
[18:32] <magespawn> from my amazon server
[18:33] <magespawn> there seems to be something going, i wish i knew what it was
[18:35] <Kilos> weird
[19:10] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:31] <magespawn> bed time, good night all
[20:35] <gremble> Cheers magespawn 
[20:48] <kulelu88> yo
[20:48] <gremble> Hey kulelu88 
[20:49] <kulelu88> hey gremble my man
[20:49] <gremble> How are you kulelu88 
[20:51] <kulelu88> fekked man. this work is soul-draining. hows you?
[20:52] <gremble> Finished my first exam and got a question wrong I knew I knew before hand :P 
[20:52] <gremble> But I think I did fine
[20:53] <gremble> I recently took one of those bloomberg aptitute tests. got a dismal score because I couldn't finish two sections, I did however, achieve quite high on everything else. Now I got my first CV request from a company. Quite surprised at it
[20:54] <kulelu88> via the bloomberg aptitude thing?
[20:59] <gremble> Yup
[21:00] <kulelu88> it must be quant firms
[21:00] <gremble> I scored in the top 95% for investment banking. I've never investement banked shit. XD
[21:01] <gremble> reverse that score. top 5%
[21:01] <kulelu88> I also took it and only got 1 CV request. never bothered
[21:01] <gremble> 95th percentile. I can't math
[21:01] <gremble> I need a job
[21:01] <gremble> I will take this cv request
[21:01] <kulelu88> company name?
[21:02] <gremble> Don't know until I open the request
[21:02] <gremble> I don't have a CV yet so I have to make one before I open the request
[21:03] <kulelu88> must be a phishing expedition (unless they are confirmed local)
[21:04] <gremble> It is local. Campus based apparently
[21:05] <kulelu88> for a quant gig, I'd only go with JPMorgan, Meryll Lynch/Linch or GS
[21:05] <kulelu88> and get a transfer to New York after 12 months
[21:05] <gremble> I'm still at university after 12 months
[21:05] <gremble> :P
[21:08] <kulelu88> they still protesting?
[21:08] <kulelu88> I always knew de la rey was a bitch though
[21:10] <gremble> No, we've stopped for like 2 weeks now
[21:10] <gremble> After the Friay at the union buildings we were done
[21:11] <gremble> Monday she had a meeting with us, Tuesday we were back in class :P
[21:14] <kulelu88> At least they kept it classy and didn't go mad like the TUT students
[21:15] <gremble> Yup. TUT has been striking. But the management at TUT is lackadaisical at best, simply apathetic at best
[21:15] <gremble> So their frustration is understandable
[21:16] <gremble> UP was quick to mobilise and listen
[21:18] <kulelu88> those jews and afrikaaners running Tuks dont waste time. they probably mobilized their billions to qualm the students
[21:18] <kulelu88> I hear that some info came out that the endowment is +50 billion?
[21:20] <gremble> Yes. A metric shit ton of money appeared. It was magical. It means that I might still get to get my degree ;P
[21:21] <kulelu88> I still hate the way they run it. As most alumni have said of local varsities, get in, get the degree and get out
[21:24] <gremble> I want to do Hons at Wits or UCT
[21:25] <kulelu88> UCT = just too expensive for regular people
[21:25] <gremble> I'm have to get a bursary
[21:25] <gremble> :P
[21:25] <gremble> Going to probably apply for both mathematics and philosophy and see which one I get for
[21:26] <kulelu88> bursaries don't cover accommodation afaik
[21:27] <gremble> I will live in the library
[21:27] <gremble> Shower in the sprinklers
[21:28] <kulelu88> Like Stallman?
[21:28] <gremble> Stall-man sounds like a shitty superhero
[21:29] <kulelu88> A female who studied at UCT told me that UCTs library is popular for sexual intercourse, if you are a rugby player, etc.
[21:29] <kulelu88> Search for Richard Stallman. I'm surprised you don't know who he is
[21:29] <gremble> I know how he is. I just felt like making a poop joke
[21:30] <kulelu88> oh hahaha
[21:30] <kulelu88> I did really snigger there
[21:32] <kulelu88> at least when they start having sex in the lib, you can say "STOP, that's my dining room!!!"
[21:33] <gremble> "STOP! Hammer time"
[21:34] <gremble> "STOP! Collaborate and listen!"
[21:35] <kulelu88> I'm so bored that I am even contemplating taking a pay cut just to get something more interesting to do
[21:35] <gremble> Why is that?
[21:36] <gremble> What are you currently doing?
[21:37] <kulelu88> I currently make sure sites are working properly
[21:39] <gremble> Hmm I can understand the slight tedium involved. Why not learn a new skill and get another job?
[21:40] <kulelu88> jobs are hard to come by it seems. sending a CV is like entering into the abyss
[21:40] <kulelu88> oh yeah, make sure your CV isn't too long
[21:41] <kulelu88> they won't spend more than 30 seconds looking at it
[21:44] <gremble> Luckily I don't have that much to put on
[21:44] <gremble> :P
[21:44] <kulelu88> if you do 2 pages, that's a solid start
[21:44] <kulelu88> 3 pages and you're average
[21:44] <kulelu88> 4 or more GTFO
[21:45] <gremble> I don't think I have enough shit for more than 1.5 :<
[21:45] <gremble> I've sort of just been existing most of my life XD
[21:46] <kulelu88> I've seen school-leavers load their CVs with accolades enough to fill 6 pages and its like >.<
[21:49] <gremble> Ya. My school accolades are pretty much that I finished school with marks to get into university
[21:50] <kulelu88> no sports?
[21:50] <kulelu88> math olympiads?
[21:51] <gremble> Nope. Lived too far so didn't want my mother to drive extra. Didn't want her to pay extra for sport stuff, cause we're poor.
[21:54] <kulelu88> Pretoria has too many wealthy white people, so saying you're poor is quite strange
[21:56] <gremble> Hahaha I wouldn't suggest it though. 
[21:56] <gremble> Being poor that it is
[21:57] <kulelu88> there's a sad difference to being white poor and black poor though
[21:58] <gremble> Yes. There is. I have running water and a house
[21:58] <gremble> And a car
[21:59] <gremble> But the struggle is still real. I've went to sleep hungry at times..
[22:00] <kulelu88> because the food being served for supper wasn't edible?
[22:01] <gremble> Ha.
[22:03] <kulelu88> Do you feel obligated to look after your folks in their old age?
[22:04] <gremble> She won't be able to afford being old. 
[22:04] <gremble> I'll have to
[22:04] <gremble> My mother recently got her first job paying more than R10k p/m
[22:05] <gremble> She has a degree in Occupational Therapy but worked as a temp secretary because she was "over qualified" for more permanent admin positions and couldn't get an OT job.
[22:05] <gremble> She's working as an OT now though, so I am glad.
[22:06] <kulelu88> you have any brothers?
[22:06] <gremble> Yup. A brother and a sibling
[22:06] <gremble> I mean sister
[22:07] <gremble> Both younger. He is working as an Earthmoving Mechanic
[22:07] <gremble> She's busy with matric exams
[22:07] <kulelu88> aah so there's 2 of you then
[22:08] <kulelu88> don't end up as 'those' guys who let their mom stay with the sister in old age
[22:08] <gremble> I'll try. 
[22:09] <gremble> Don't plan to. Would prefer she have her own place/autonomy
[22:10] <kulelu88> what's your exam schedule like?
[22:11] <gremble> Not bad. Wrote today. Write friday and then next week Thursday. Then I am done
[22:11] <gremble> Unless I have a supp (which I doubt)
[22:12] <kulelu88> then 2 months holiday
[22:13] <gremble> Yup. Get some interesting work done. I have formal logic to get through that I have been slacking off with this semester and I have writing to do xD
[22:15] <kulelu88> if you have the capacity, try building a startup in those 2 months. Biggest chance of your life to be your own boss from the day you graduate
[22:15] <gremble> I've thought about doing something like that, but idea's are scarce.
[22:16] <gremble> I've thought about doing some aerodynamics to build commercial drones, because we currently import those from Europe
[22:16] <kulelu88> ideas are cheap. find something people need
[22:16] <kulelu88> that's too capital intensive
[22:18] <gremble> Yup. And skills intensive. I can work with the materials, and I have the skills to prototype, but not managing the software/hardware
[22:19] <kulelu88> sell some stuff via e-commerce
[22:20] <kulelu88> your sister is a teen, find some thing teens need and sell it online
[22:20] <kulelu88> custom jewellery or something
[22:22] <gremble> That is also pretty capital intensive. Stock and such. Perhaps... hmm. I'll put my head together after thursday. I'm sure I could conjure up something interesting.
[22:24] <kulelu88> dont waste time thinking too much. Just brainstorm 10 ideas, draft an MVP for 5 of them, and the most lucrative is the 1 you pursue. I swear you will not regret wasting those 2 months if it works out
[22:24] <gremble> MVP? Most valuable player?
[22:27] <kulelu88> Minimum Viable Product
[22:27] <gremble> Ah
[22:31] <kulelu88> aim global if you can
[22:32] <gremble> Have you tried to startup?
[22:34] <kulelu88> I want to
[22:35] <kulelu88> I'm not sure whether to try now or try it part-time (although I'm so drained after work each day that I don't even want to code anything)
[22:37] <gremble> :/
[22:44] <gremble> So, interesting fact, I just found a way to work with relational databases in terms of linear algebra
[22:44] <gremble> Now just to see if I can make any interesting transformations :o