[05:44] <pitti> Godo morning
[06:35] <didrocks> good morning
[06:38] <pitti> bonjour didrocks ! *accolade*
[06:39]  * didrocks donne une accolade en retour à pitti
[06:41] <pitti> didrocks: as-tu eu un bon long week-end ?
[06:41] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[06:41] <seb128> hey didrocks pitti
[06:41] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[06:43] <didrocks> pitti: "bon", difficile de le qualifier ainsi avec les évènements, mais long, oui…
[07:00] <didrocks> pitti: btw, sorry for not answering you right away on telegram, I didn't get any notification. I think the issue is the new "samsung optimizer" that was installed by default with OTA 5.1 and kills unused background service
[07:01] <pitti> didrocks: ah, pas de problème -- j'étais juste un peu inquiet
[07:02] <didrocks> pitti: désolé, je vais blacklister telegram je pense pour que samsung ne "l'optimise" pas :)
[07:06] <pitti> didrocks: wow, we install that by default? that sounds a bit overzealous
[07:06] <pitti> sounds a bit like the Android "greenify"; that's able to kill whatsapp and friends as well, but needs this google framework for push notifications
[07:07] <didrocks> pitti: I mean, samsung does on their galaxy S6
[07:08] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, I thought that telegram was using push notification and that this optimization wouldn't matter (it doesn't for instance for emails and hangouts), but maybe telegram doesn't…
[08:20] <larsu> good morning!
[08:20] <didrocks> good morning larsu
[08:21] <larsu> hey didrocks! Ça va?
[08:21] <didrocks> larsu: ça va, et toi ?
[08:21] <larsu> ça va bien, merci
[08:30] <seb128> hey larsu, wie gehts?
[08:30] <larsu> morning seb128! Good thanks! You?
[08:30] <seb128> great, thanks!
[08:30] <Trevinho> Morning
[08:30] <seb128> hey Trevinho
[08:30] <larsu> morning Trevinho
[08:31] <Trevinho> Hi seb128 larsu
[08:31] <didrocks> hey Trevinho
[08:31] <Trevinho> didrocks: hey
[08:35] <pitti> hey larsu
[08:35] <pitti> hey Trevinho
[08:35] <pitti> hm, so unity or something else regressed un-maximizing a window
[08:35] <pitti> maximize a window, or fullscreen it (F11), then unmaximize again, and it still uses the whole desktop size
[08:36] <pitti> instead of being restored to its original size
[08:36] <pitti> do you guys see this as well?
[08:36] <larsu> guten morgen pitti!
[08:36] <pitti> actually, I only see this with gnome-terminal
[08:37] <larsu> ya, gnome-terminal does all kinds of sizing tricks
[08:37] <larsu> sigh
[08:48] <Trevinho> pitti: hi
[08:48] <Trevinho> pitti: gnome terminal has some other issues related to positioning too
[09:00] <willcooke> morning
[09:00] <didrocks> good morning willcooke
[09:02] <seb128> oh, it's that day
[09:02] <seb128> hey willcooke
[09:03]  * didrocks gets off his lawn then :p
[09:04] <willcooke> ha
[09:04] <willcooke> :)
[09:04] <Laney> yo
[09:04] <willcooke> what up
[09:04] <didrocks> hey Laney
[09:05] <Laney> hi willcooke, wb didrocks!
[09:05] <Laney> good long weekend?
[09:06] <larsu> morning willcooke & Laney!
[09:06] <didrocks> Laney: long weekend indeed, "good", well, was hard to truly rejoice for the 40 years of my brother given the context
[09:07] <didrocks> how was yours?
[09:15] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:21]  * willcooke discovers gtk3-widget-factory 
[09:21] <seb128> our new theme master ;-)
[09:22] <willcooke> it's taking me a loooooong time
[09:22] <willcooke> :)
[09:24] <Laney> didrocks: :/ but mine was good, went to a party down in norwich
[09:24] <Laney> hey seb128
[09:45] <pitti> hey Laney!
[09:53] <didrocks> seb128: how is your xenial experience so far?
[09:53] <seb128> good
[09:53] <didrocks> ok, upgrading then, it will all be your fault! :)
[09:53] <seb128> well, less good since the new GTK
[09:53] <didrocks> ah ?
[09:53] <seb128> but don't stop on that, it doesn't bother others as much it seems
[09:54] <seb128> my laptop is old and slower than most
[09:54] <didrocks> perf regression or anything else?
[09:54] <seb128> didrocks, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/gtk.ogv
[09:54] <seb128> it's new gtk then old one
[09:54] <pitti> didrocks: by and large okay; some GTK regressions (some mild flickering, weird dialog layouts), but that's about it
[09:54] <pitti> didrocks: do it! :-)
[09:55] <Laney> hey pitti
[09:55] <didrocks> seb128: ah indeed, quite annoying visually on the long term I guess, but yeah, not blocking
[09:55] <seb128> right
[09:55] <didrocks> pitti: ok, I'll add you to the list of people to look after if things aren't smoothly ;)
[09:56] <seb128> well if it's your work box the visual annoyance can make your days less good
[09:56] <seb128> so your call
[09:56] <seb128> you can also update and pin back old gtk
[09:56]  * pitti s'enfuit très rapid
[09:56] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, it's my work box, but yeah, pinning back old gtk is an option
[09:57] <seb128> see how much that bothers you firsyt
[09:57] <seb128> some people don't even notice it
[09:57] <seb128> so it might be good ;-)
[09:57] <pitti> "très vite", non? (I keep mixing up the adjective and adverb)
[09:57] <didrocks> "très vite" yeah ;)
[09:57] <didrocks> hum
[09:58] <didrocks> the list of new packages to install is a little bit too long/large to my taste
[09:58]  * didrocks looks
[09:58] <pitti> I don't find the flickering that bothersome TBH -- if seb128 hadn't pointed it out I probably wouldn't even have noticed
[09:58] <seb128> pitti, as said my laptop is old/slow so it might be more noticable than on the new configs most people have
[09:59] <pitti> but then again it doesn't happen on terminals, and that's what I'm mostly using
[10:01] <pitti> Laney: sorry for the autopkgtest worker spam
[10:01] <Laney> we have a revert for the flickering thing
[10:01] <pitti> Laney: bos01 is behind on importing cloud images, so it still didn't get the new cloud-init
[10:01] <Laney> might include it in 3.18.5 later
[10:01] <pitti> Laney: TL;DR: on it
[10:02] <seb128> Laney, upload!
[10:02] <Laney> pitti: ah right, I was wondering
[10:02] <seb128> great :-)
[10:02] <Laney> still want Trevinho to comment on implementing the frame clock
[10:02] <Laney> he didn't really say anything when we asked yesterday
[10:02] <Laney> (hi Trevinho!!!!)
[10:03] <seb128> I bet it's not going to be trivial
[10:03] <seb128> or it would have been done
[10:03] <seb128> but let's see :-)
[10:03] <Laney> good job we don't only do trivial work
[10:03] <seb128> shrug
[10:03] <seb128> that's not what I meant...
[10:03] <seb128> but I wouldn't block on that to be done and landing to "fix" gtk
[10:04] <seb128> we can add the revert and drop it later
[10:04] <Laney> wasn't going to, that's why I said I would probably upload it
[10:04] <Laney> it sounded a bit like "will be hard, let's not do it"
[10:04] <seb128> no, "let's not block on it"
[10:04] <Laney> ok ;-)
[10:05] <seb128> your "waiting for Trevinho to reply" was sounding bit like "uploaded is blocked on that to be get an answer"
[10:05] <seb128> anyway we are good
[10:05] <seb128> waiting for Trevinho to reply in any case ;-)
[10:05] <Laney> hey didrocks, want to help me with some python stuff? :) :) :) :)
[10:06] <didrocks> Laney: sure!
[10:06] <didrocks> bring it on!
[10:06] <Laney> yay
[10:06] <Laney> seeing something like this https://stackoverflow.com/questions/24799146/use-multiprocessing-process-inside-a-script-installed-by-setuptools
[10:06] <Laney> when trying to use the appstream generator from git
[10:06] <Laney> installed into a virtualenv
[10:07]  * Laney lets you on the machine
[10:07] <didrocks> Laney: so, it's not related to setuptools, right? Rather multiprocess
[10:07] <Laney> dunno what the real problem is
[10:08] <Laney> didrocks: ssh ubuntu@10.55.60.155
[10:09] <Laney> (on VPN)
[10:09] <didrocks> on it!
[10:09] <didrocks> so, what command is triggering the stacktrace?
[10:09] <Laney> ok, it works when I run the script directly
[10:09] <Laney> so something in the virtualenv breaks it
[10:09] <didrocks> ok
[10:10] <Laney> alright, source appstream/bin/activate
[10:10] <didrocks> ah, appstream is the virtualenv
[10:10] <didrocks> sourced
[10:10] <Laney> cd dep11; dep11-generator process . xenial
[10:11] <Laney> takes 20 seconds or so
[10:11] <didrocks> was just what I was going to ask :p
[10:11] <didrocks> ok, got the stack
[10:11] <Laney> code is in ~/appstream-dep11
[10:11] <Laney> I just did: python3 setup.py build && python3 setup.py install to install it into that virtualenv
[10:11] <Laney> dunno if that is right
[10:12] <didrocks> Laney: you enabled system package in your virtualenv, right?
[10:12] <Laney> yeah
[10:12] <Laney> --site-packages or something
[10:12] <didrocks> as I see a mix of system libs and some from virtualenv
[10:12] <didrocks> yep
[10:12] <didrocks> Laney: ok, will have a look (leaving in 5-10 minutes for a run to meet Julie at the park)
[10:13] <didrocks> Laney: no worry if I handle that after it?
[10:13] <Laney> ok
[10:13] <Laney> thanks!
[10:13] <didrocks> Laney: can I install some packages on the system?
[10:13] <didrocks> yw ;)
[10:13] <didrocks> like ipython
[10:13] <Laney> yeah
[10:13] <didrocks> great!
[10:14] <Laney> I will write a charm for it at some point I guess
[10:14] <Laney> but good to be using it out of git
[10:14] <didrocks> yeah ;)
[10:14] <Laney> since ximion did some improvements
[10:15] <Laney> maybe I can just build and run it out of the tree directly?
[10:15] <didrocks> Laney: I can have a look at this as well if you wish (after debugging)
[10:16] <Laney> this avoids the traceback completely
[10:16] <Laney> anyway, go run
[10:17] <didrocks> Laney: better to understand it still
[10:17] <didrocks> so that you can work from git
[11:08] <pitti> didrocks: hah, just saw fsckd in action in the IMPI console on the data center's armhf test box :)
[11:42] <darkxst> hey Laney, didrocks pitti
[11:43] <andyrock> monring all
[11:43] <Laney> hi darkxst and andyrock
[11:47]  * darkxst spent the day in court, and walked out with a settlement ;) 
[11:48] <Laney> a good one?
[11:50] <darkxst> 30% of a convoluted calculation, which excluded her previous ex's settlement
[11:50] <darkxst> and given its all over now, I am happy with that
[11:52] <darkxst> pretty sure she is sitting at home less happy, they came to court adament the case would just be thrown out]\
[11:55] <Laney> time to move on!
[11:56] <darkxst> Laney, yep!
[11:59] <darkxst> Laney, seb128 willcooke, is there any actual plan for switching over to gnome-software? like packagekit transition, switching to apt-cc or adapting aptdaemon to cope, and then the DEP 11 metadata
[12:00] <darkxst> and that is all before you get to writing your plugins for reviews and what not
[12:06] <Laney> robert_ancell is mostly working on that stuff
[12:07] <Laney> I've been playing with the extractor
[12:07] <Laney> in a bit http://162.213.34.169/html/ will stop being 404
[12:08] <larsu> still 404
[12:08] <larsu> still 404
[12:08] <Laney> f5 f5 f5 f5 f5
[12:08]  * larsu prefers Ctrl+R for some reason
[12:08] <Laney> me too actually
[12:08] <larsu> still 404
[12:10] <darkxst> Laney, your not exactly filling me with confidence there!
[12:10] <larsu> Laney: hi!
[12:11] <Laney> darkxst: ?
[12:11] <darkxst> packagekit transition is painful at best
[12:11] <Laney> I guess what's useful for you to know is
[12:11] <Laney> if you want to help out, talk to Robert
[12:15] <didrocks> pitti: ahah, excellent! :)
[12:15] <darkxst> ok, so there is no plan then? ;)
[12:15] <didrocks> hey darkxst
[12:15] <Laney> what do you want?
[12:16] <Laney> the plan is to work on it until it works
[12:17] <Laney> I'm not doing it myself atm so I can't give more precise details
[12:19]  * didrocks has some pain in the arm due to almost falling off the bike :/
[12:20] <darkxst> Laney, not personally directed at you, but I do wonder if another unachievable goal has been ticked off the list
[12:20] <Laney> let's hope not
[12:29] <Laney> darkxst: I just made https://trello.com/b/o3AB123B/gnome-software
[12:29] <Laney> will pass it on to track the task
[12:29] <Laney> HTH!
[12:30] <darkxst> Laney, you mean I have to sign up for another website ;(
[12:30] <Laney> only if you want to change it
[12:31] <pitti> Laney: reviewed your britney branch
[12:31] <Laney> thanks
[12:31] <Laney> going to make tea before crying at it :)
[12:33]  * pitti goes to grab lunch too
[12:44] <seb128> back from lunch
[12:44] <seb128> speaking of packagekit doko seems to ignore me
[12:45] <seb128> I'm going to delete 1.0 again from proposed
[12:45] <Laney> WOAH
[12:46] <Laney> why do I have a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE tab bar in gnome-terminal?
[12:46] <didrocks> Laney: because it's an important one, smart system! :)
[12:48] <Laney> that's even on my non hidpi system
[12:48] <Laney> is it just me that thinks it's big?
[12:55] <willcooke> Laney, yeah it is too big.
[12:55] <Laney> it's probably that + icon making it big
[12:55] <willcooke> Laney, it doesn't seem to inherit the standard tabs styling so will likely need an app specific style
[12:55] <willcooke> I can probably fix it
[12:55] <willcooke> it's on my list
[12:56] <willcooke> oh, which reminds me - larsu I never did get the inspector to work with terminal.  Any ideas?
[12:56] <Laney> oh I guess not
[12:58] <Laney> not the icon, that is
[12:58] <Laney> so maybe they can be themed
[12:59] <willcooke> yeah, I think it's probably padding
[12:59] <Laney> leaving it with you
[12:59]  * Laney will stop noticing
[12:59]  * Laney "OMG THE TAB BAR IS SO THIN NOW"
[13:00] <willcooke> :)
[13:17] <popey> Sweet5hark1, is there a way to stop LOK creating lock files? setting 'SAL_ENABLE_FILE_LOCKING' to 0 doesn't seem to do it?
[13:30] <popey> Sweet5hark1, found an alternative option which works http://askubuntu.com/a/606460/612
[13:46] <didrocks> Laney: ok, I reduced it and found the cause (but not have an explanation yet)
[13:47] <Laney> go didrocks!
[13:47] <Laney> don't interrupt my existing run please ;-)
[13:47] <Laney> (in screen)
[13:48] <didrocks> Laney: I'm making script modification, but as your one is already running, that should be all right :)
[13:48] <Laney> make a copy? :P
[13:48] <didrocks> (hum, I don't see a screen running)
[13:48] <didrocks> Laney: the issue is the original script
[13:48] <didrocks> like the wrapper
[13:49] <didrocks> so I have to register a new one
[13:49] <didrocks> Laney: is the wrapper in git?
[13:49] <Laney> what's the wrapper?
[13:49] <didrocks> /home/ubuntu/appstream/bin/dep11-generator
[13:49] <Laney> yes
[13:49] <didrocks> urgh
[13:49] <didrocks> normally, those kind of things are generated
[13:49] <Laney> oh wait
[13:49] <Laney> you mean the thing that calls some other thing
[13:50] <didrocks> yeah, the entry point if you prefer
[13:50] <Laney> that was generated
[13:50] <didrocks> ok
[13:50] <Laney> look at ~/appstrem-dep11/
[13:50] <didrocks> ok, that's the git?
[13:51] <Laney> ye
[13:52] <didrocks> this generated one is weird, quite different from usual ones
[13:52] <didrocks> let me try with one generated here with 3.4
[13:52] <didrocks> I bet that's what doesn't set __spec__
[14:18] <didrocks> Laney: ok, found a way to make it work I think
[14:19] <didrocks> so, the real issue is that the old scripts that setuptools is generating is using directly __import__, which doesn't set new features in python3.4 like __spec__
[14:20] <didrocks> __spec__ is needed on the main module when initiliazing first pool of multiprocessing in one and only one case: if you multiprocessing.set_start_method('forkserver')
[14:20] <didrocks> (which is the case ofc here)
[14:20] <didrocks> so, the real issue is the way setuptools is doing this __import__()
[14:20] <didrocks> it's not the case with a better/newer way of initiliazing those scripts
[14:21] <didrocks> using entrypoints
[14:21] <didrocks> (I emulated using entrypoints on the machine's install to confirm)
[14:21] <desrt> moin moin
[14:22] <didrocks> that means as well that I need to change the way I guess Matthias is generating the executable script for his own testing purpose
[14:22] <didrocks> (I guess doing something like what I do in ubuntu make)
[14:22] <didrocks> hey desrt
[14:22] <didrocks> and then, load_entry_points is DTRT for initiliazing a module
[14:23] <Laney> hey desrt!
[14:23] <didrocks> Laney: so, happy to work on a branch to change that upstream if you agree, but I wouldn't mind before proposing this for review that we try to do a fresh install (if you don't mind) on the server
[14:23] <didrocks> (just a new virtualenv should be enough)
[14:23] <desrt> good morning Laney, didrocks (and others)
[14:23] <Laney> didrocks: ok, let my current run finish though please
[14:23] <Laney> didrocks: or git clone appstream-dep11 appstream-dep11-didrocks and work from that
[14:24] <Laney> should be isolated then
[14:24] <didrocks> Laney: I don't see any screen process running though, is that expected?
[14:24] <seb128> hey desrt
[14:24] <Laney> didrocks: WEIRD
[14:24] <Laney> it is running though, try screen -r
[14:24] <desrt> seb128: good morning
[14:25] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, right, ps aux | grep screen doesn't return anything, weird
[14:25] <seb128> desrt, how was your secret blue meeting? ;-)
[14:25] <Laney> how strange
[14:25] <Laney> anyway, if you work from a clone it'll be fine
[14:25] <Laney> thx for the knowledge!
[14:25] <didrocks> Laney: any public git branch I could fork? that would be easier than working on the machine directly
[14:25] <desrt> seb128: didn't happen yet :)
[14:25] <didrocks> Laney: yw!
[14:25] <Laney> yeah
[14:26] <seb128> desrt, oh ok, I though it was for yesterday ;-)
[14:26]  * didrocks likes the confort of his dev setup :p
[14:26] <Laney> it's on github
[14:26] <Laney> ximion/appstream-dep11?
[14:26] <desrt> seb128: but since you ask, i pulled a jarvis virus during my morning hack run, so that's nice  :)
[14:26] <didrocks> Laney: thanks!
[14:26]  * didrocks clicked "fork"
[14:27] <Laney> ubuntu@appstream:~/appstream-dep11$ git config --get remote.origin.url
[14:27] <Laney> https://github.com/ximion/appstream-dep11.git
[14:27] <didrocks> Laney: ok, let's see once this run finishes, I shouldn't be too long to have something pushed on github
[14:28]  * Laney speed builds gtk to upload before lunch
[14:28] <seb128> desrt, starting the day with some activity, nice!
[14:28] <Laney> stupid early team meeting, stupid GMT
[14:29] <desrt> ya... i go for a morning walk now :)
[14:29] <desrt> definitely slowed down though... no all-night 6-hour hack runs... i just crossed 400km, and the last 100km was definitely slower than the ones before.
[14:29] <didrocks> Laney: missed lunch?
[14:30] <Laney> I usually have it quite late
[14:30]  * desrt digs in to vi
[14:30] <Laney> meh, I'll upload this after getting back
[14:30] <Laney> bye!
[14:30] <didrocks> enjoy your lunch!
[14:37] <seb128> Laney, have fun
[15:04] <didrocks> Laney: seems to finish on:
[15:04] <didrocks> rsync: link_stat "/home/ubuntu/dep11/log" failed: No such file or directory (2)
[15:04] <didrocks> rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1183) [sender=3.1.1]
[15:04] <didrocks> on another note, my branch is up on github
[15:05] <didrocks> (https://github.com/didrocks/appstream-dep11/tree/setuptools_scripts)
[15:22] <qengho> Oh man, this is too early for a meeting.
[15:23] <seb128> what time is it in your tz now?
[15:24] <qengho> seb128: It's 10:23. I just mean I'm unprepared.
[15:24] <seb128> ah
[15:24] <seb128> well you are not first in the list
[15:24] <seb128> do it the Laney way, just write your summary while others are going ;-)
[15:27] <Laney> you don't know I do that!
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-11-17
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov 17 15:30:01 2015 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, didrocks, fjkong (out?), happyaron(out?), hikiko(hols), laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:30] <willcooke> hi all
[15:30] <desrt> o/
[15:30] <seb128> hey
[15:30] <andyrock> \o
[15:30] <dgadomski> hey
[15:30] <seb128> Laney, did you just admit? ;-)
[15:30] <larsu> hey!
[15:31] <Trevinho> Heeeeeej!
[15:31] <attente> o/
[15:31] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:31] <didrocks> hey
[15:31] <andyrock> hey
[15:32] <andyrock> nothing much to say: basically going through all the unity MP's
[15:32] <FJKong> hey
[15:32] <andyrock> I'm doing the last couple of reviews right now
[15:32] <willcooke> thanks andyrock
[15:32] <andyrock> pretty short ones so should take one hour
[15:33] <andyrock> and I can start coding again \o/
[15:33] <willcooke> :D
[15:33] <willcooke> thanks andyrock, it's an important task, so thanks for sticking at it
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:34] <attente> more upstream fixes to maliit-framework and maliit-input-context-gtk
[15:34] <attente> spent some time trying to track down the double tapping issue, the problem is in ubuntu-keyboard
[15:34] <attente> starting packaging the new maliit release, but tests are failing...
[15:34] <attente> (eof)
[15:34] <willcooke> thanks attente, good wok on Maliit
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:34] <desrt> hi
[15:34] <desrt> (slightly) short week last week
[15:35] <desrt> usual bug stuff, pushed some patches
[15:35] <desrt> back to working on inotify again :)
[15:35] <desrt> eof
[15:35] <willcooke> thanks desrt
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:35] <dgadomski> hey, I continued to work on issues from last week:
[15:35] <dgadomski> * offered fix for bug #1337873 upstream, got positive feedback, though they ask for refactoring of the whole affected area. Everything is waiting for upstream action at: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92886. I will prepare a debdiff for xenial as soon as this is accepted
[15:36] <dgadomski> ehm... that is bug #1510824
[15:36] <dgadomski> * testing fix for bug #1337873 - working fine so far
[15:36] <dgadomski> * didn't have time to finish the wiki page about debugging polkit, but I will share the link and will appreciate any feedback as soon as it's done.
[15:36] <dgadomski> * didn't have time to finish the wiki page about debugging polkit, but I will share the link and will appreciate any feedback as soon as it's done.
[15:36] <dgadomski> EOF
[15:36] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:36] <dgadomski> thank you
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic didrocks
[15:37] <didrocks> Short week (3 days only).
[15:37] <didrocks> Ubuntu Make:
[15:37] <didrocks> - released Ubuntu Make 15.11.1, publish on various social media + blog post.
[15:37] <didrocks> - tweaked the release script.
[15:37] <didrocks> - add and merge and Twine game editor support.
[15:37] <didrocks> - worked on atom.io integration, changed upstream build tool support to publish some archive publication and CI integration. This is pending review from the github's team.
[15:37] <didrocks> - ensure --help always returned the desired help (global, category or framework). Add tests for those.
[15:37] <didrocks> - fix some i18n bugs and be more relient against user setup. Fixed as well pt_BR translations.
[15:37] <didrocks> - run and test to make the test running environment more independant of user setup (like language). Running that for large tests.
[15:37] <didrocks> - explored genymotion integration for Android vm testing.
[15:37] <didrocks> .
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks didrocks
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:37] <Laney> NO
[15:37] <Laney> he also helped me!
[15:37] <FJKong> 1 debug one skin problem report by user
[15:37] <FJKong> 2 update code
[15:37] <FJKong> add auto start to pinyin search
[15:37] <FJKong> for primary user they can use gui tools to setup task
[15:37] <FJKong> 3 go to hospital
[15:37] <FJKong> eof
[15:38] <willcooke> how's the wrist?
[15:38] <FJKong> better
[15:38] <FJKong> thanks
[15:38] <larsu> ouch. get better
[15:38] <willcooke> thanks FJKong
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic happyaro1
[15:38] <willcooke> timeout set
[15:39] <desrt> *tick* *tick* *tick*
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:40] <Laney> oops
[15:40] <Laney> • Very many uploads and build fixes for the latest mega transition, use seb128-as-a-shell to remove some stuff that was too hard/broken to fix (thanks!)
[15:40] <Laney> • Seed update from sprint
[15:40] <Laney> • gtk 3.18.4 and 3.18.5 update (incl window drawing fix from larsu, woo!)
[15:40] <Laney> • appstream extractor: get working with a git checkout (instead of package), ping didrocks about some bug who is in the middle of assisting (thanks to you too!) but workaround it in the meantime
[15:40] <Laney> • set up a trello board for gnome-software https://trello.com/b/o3AB123B/gnome-software (willcooke - can you / should I mail around to get people to use it?)
[15:40] <Laney> • eyes tired of packages, work on an autopkgtest-britney fix to not block packages on tests if they have never passed anyway, got review comments to address soon
[15:40] <Laney> • misc: off friday
[15:40] <Laney> ๛
[15:41] <willcooke> @ trello board.  Sure, I will email cos I want to see if we should create another more general one.
[15:41] <meetingology> willcooke: Error: "trello" is not a valid command.
[15:41] <larsu> more trello boards!
[15:41] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[15:41]  * larsu turns down the sarcasm
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic larsu
[15:41] <Laney> ...
[15:41] <larsu> - tested and reviewed smcv's D-Bus patches
[15:41] <larsu> - fixed icon name lookup order in my notify-osd patch from a couple of weeks back
[15:41] <larsu> - investigated and found a workaround for the black window flicker issue on compiz
[15:41] <larsu> - look into the gnome-screenshot crash that was *apparently* caused by my hidpi fix
[15:41] <larsu> - slow progress on geonames localization
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[15:42] <willcooke> thanks larsu
[15:42] <seb128> larsu, the screenshot one was not?
[15:42] <larsu> seb128: ya it was - just joking ;)
[15:42] <seb128> (we blocked the GTK SRU on a potential regression)
[15:42] <seb128> k
[15:42]  * larsu will fix that nxt
[15:42] <willcooke> I tired many things from the internet to get gnome-terminal to show the inspector, but to no avail.
[15:42] <seb128> if you have a follow up fix please let me know
[15:42] <seb128> so we can unblock GTK
[15:42] <larsu> yep
[15:42] <seb128> which also includes the tooltip corner thing
[15:43] <larsu> willcooke: compile it from source with some debug flag set
[15:43] <larsu> dunno how else it would work
[15:43] <larsu> I wonder what they're doing to break this
[15:43] <willcooke> internet says you should be able to set an env var and then it shows up in the help menu, but no.  Oki, I will probably need a hand to get it to compile.  But I'll finish the other stuff first.
[15:44] <willcooke> no immediate urgency on that I think
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:44] <qengho> * new Cr upstream. fixing two new bugs before release.
[15:44] <qengho> * merging xdg-utils from Debian.
[15:44] <qengho> * updating Cr packaging for another format.
[15:44] <qengho> EOF
[15:44] <qengho> Also,
[15:44] <qengho> * laptop is haunted.
[15:44] <qengho> EOF
[15:44] <willcooke> :D
[15:45] <willcooke> thanks qengho
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:45] <seb128> • (4 days week, armistice day holiday)
[15:45] <seb128> • debugged/fixed guest session not working in xenial
[15:45] <seb128> • helped on xenial transitions (libimobiledevice, glew)
[15:45] <seb128> • continued on desktop merges&updates
[15:45] <seb128> • bugs/errors reviews
[15:45] <seb128> • some NEW reviews
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[15:45] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark1
[15:47] <Sweet5hark1> whops, /me is unprepped please sip me to last
[15:47] <willcooke> oki
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:47] <willcooke> * Finally got the Orca gsettings backend work done, and posted on the Orca mailing list to get communit feedback, still got things to fix, and got to optimize code.
[15:47] <willcooke> * Upgraded to Xenial. Nothing to report so far, but saw a pulse bug filed that needs investigating.
[15:47] <willcooke> * Starting to look at updating Alsa to 1.1.0, both in Debian and in Xenial.
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:47] <tkamppeter> - ippusbxd: Lots of communication with the guy from the printer manufacturer
[15:47] <tkamppeter> - ippusbxd: Lots of improvements on managing the two or more USB communication channels and on handling delayed answers on USB and timeouts.
[15:47] <tkamppeter> - I did not hear about any progress on the phone's print dialog. Did there happen anything?
[15:47] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:48] <willcooke> tkamppeter, did you have your meeting with design yet?
[15:48] <willcooke> actually, let's pick this up in our 1:1 then we can work out what the next steps are
[15:48] <tkamppeter> willcooke, no, sometimes I tried to communicate with mpt, but did not get answers.
[15:49] <willcooke> oki, I'll speak to design and get something sorted
[15:49] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:49] <Trevinho> · Checked u-s-d keyboard backlight issues
[15:49] <Trevinho> · Did some study and tests on compiz frame synchronization (http://fishsoup.net/misc/wm-spec-synchronization.html)
[15:49] <Trevinho> · Various reviews, including the new lockscreen shield for Ubuntu Kylin
[15:49] <Trevinho> · Fixed issue with scale when using launcher in multi-monitor.
[15:49] <Trevinho> · Improved unity spread to show up new windows when they are opened
[15:49] <Trevinho> 
[15:49] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[15:49] <seb128> Trevinho, what's the output of the frame sync study?
[15:49] <seb128> would be easy to do?
[15:50] <Trevinho> seb128: well, it would take some weeks I think
[15:50] <Trevinho> seb128: not that easy... Neither too hard, but it takes some time
[15:50] <seb128> right, I guess somebody needs to weight the priority and if it's worth that time investment
[15:50] <Trevinho> It depends what could really be the benefits...
[15:51] <seb128> one job for willcooke ;-)
[15:51] <willcooke> sure, can someone explain the back story to me off line?
[15:51] <seb128> we can discuss it after the meeting I guess
[15:51] <willcooke> oki
[15:51] <willcooke> wfm
[15:51] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:51] <willcooke> No update this week.
[15:52] <willcooke> #topic Any Other Business
[15:52] <willcooke> didrocks has offered to run a LP training course :)
[15:52] <seb128> willcooke, you should add yourself to the topics ;-)
[15:52] <andyrock> :D
[15:52] <seb128> so you could list the nice themes fixes coming ;-)
[15:52] <willcooke> oh, yeah I guess - let's do that...
[15:52] <willcooke> #topic willcooke
[15:53] <willcooke> Triage rls-x-incoming.  Slow going but got about half done yesterday.  More tomorrow
[15:53] <willcooke> Learning about gtk themeing.  Fix one thing, break another
[15:53] <willcooke> I will try to get that all wrapped up in to an MP before too long
[15:54] <willcooke> Meetings with exec about things.  More details to follow shortly once everything is confirmed.
[15:54] <desrt> sprint things? =)
[15:54] <willcooke> There will be a sprint in April, maybe in Prague
[15:55] <desrt> sounds fun
[15:55] <willcooke> trying to sort an intermediate sprint around GSC
[15:55] <willcooke> Hr things...
[15:55] <larsu> gsc?
[15:55] <Laney> ...
[15:55] <willcooke> You have to write some career plans and such.  I will send proper details over email
[15:56] <willcooke> Laney, Gnome Software Center
[15:56] <larsu> Laney: ?
[15:56] <larsu> ah
[15:56] <larsu> that's spelled g-c-s *cough* :D
[15:56] <larsu> *g-s-c
[15:56] <Laney> gnome-software
[15:56] <Laney> I don't think it actually has centre in the name
[15:56] <larsu> indeed
[15:56] <willcooke> ah
[15:56] <seb128> g-s
[15:56] <larsu> the binary doesn't at least
[15:56] <larsu> that's like gnome shell
[15:56] <seb128> gnome-screensaver/shell/software
[15:57] <seb128> right :p
[15:57] <desrt> -session in my mind :)
[15:57] <larsu> gnome-settings
[15:57] <willcooke> oki, back to...
[15:57] <seb128> that's why they should stop the gnome- nonsense, just call it "software" :p
[15:57] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[15:57] <seb128> easy to google as well
[15:57] <larsu> seb128: "files"
[15:57] <Laney> gnome-sudoku
[15:57] <willcooke> didrocks, tell us about your lp training...
[15:57] <seb128> LP? like launchpad?
[15:57] <Laney> gnome-screenshot
[15:57] <seb128> any specific part? bugs? translations?
[15:57]  * Sweet5hark1 wonders if "career plans" needs to include "will have report ready for the team meeting"  ...
[15:57] <didrocks> hum, wasn't planned to write anything about it, thanks for warning me in advance willcooke :p
[15:57] <seb128> bzr!
[15:58] <willcooke> geez
[15:58] <Laney> gnome-system-log
[15:58] <Laney> this is a fun game
[15:58] <didrocks> basically, I noticed that some of us don't know how to use LP properly
[15:58] <Laney> I guess that would be g-s-l though
[15:58] <seb128> Laney, we got it, stop now :à
[15:58] <seb128> :)
[15:58] <Laney> hahahaHAHAHA sorry
[15:58] <didrocks> I quite regularly get some questions :)
[15:58]  * Laney thinks he is funnier than he really is
[15:58] <seb128> oh?
[15:58] <didrocks> like where are packages
[15:58] <didrocks> what is published where
[15:58] <didrocks> ofc, not from old distro guys ;)
[15:58] <didrocks> I think maybe having a short 1h LP presentation for people interested could be of use
[15:59] <didrocks> and make everyone not knowing how really LP works could be useful
[15:59] <seb128> yeah
[15:59] <didrocks> (so upstream/downstream bug tasks, nominate for release, different ubuntu gates and processes like FF, how to get binaries from distros, ppa, debug symbols…)
[15:59] <desrt> "<didrocks> basically, I noticed that some of us don't know how to use LP properly"
[15:59] <didrocks> oh, and as well CI Train
[15:59] <desrt> quote of the year
[16:00] <didrocks> desrt: fortunately, we are near the end of year ;)
[16:00] <didrocks> so yeah, we should organize that. I think people interested, think about it and just o/ in the next meeting, wdyt willcooke?
[16:00] <Sweet5hark1> (the obvious followup question would be: if we dont know that, does anybody?)
[16:01] <desrt> i'm definitely curious.  i could use to improve my LP-fu
[16:01]  * didrocks notes desrt then
[16:01] <Laney> teach me all about the translations component
[16:01] <willcooke> great, we can record it and I'll write up notes for the wiki as well
[16:01] <desrt> i'd also be sort of interrested in more general releasey/uploady-type topics
[16:01] <didrocks> Laney: nooooooooooo, you are on the blacklist because you will ask about things I obviously don't know :p
[16:01] <desrt> not super-useful to my work, but it's all a bit of mystery to me now and it can't hurt to know more
[16:01] <didrocks> desrt: yeah, sounds something we can cover
[16:02] <Laney> hehe
[16:02] <Laney> nobody knows anything about rosetta anyway
[16:02] <larsu> whats rosetta?
[16:02]  * Sweet5hark1 certainly would be interested in how lp is supposed to work. I'll likely need to abuse it alot away from that, but still, knowing how it should be in an ideal world is a good thing.
[16:02] <didrocks> Laney: I can show you how to export translations :p
[16:02] <didrocks> but seb128 can as well
[16:03] <willcooke> ok, we'll get something in the calendar for the lp training then
[16:03] <didrocks> that's it :p
[16:03] <Laney> the translations bit of launchpad
[16:03] <seb128> haha
[16:03] <willcooke> thanks didrocks
[16:03] <Laney> soyuz = uploading, malone = bugs
[16:03] <Laney> what is questions?
[16:03] <willcooke> anything else from anyone?
[16:03] <seb128> not from me
[16:03] <didrocks> Laney: you forgot wiki as well!
[16:03] <Sweet5hark1> willcooke: my report?
[16:03] <seb128> heh
[16:03] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, that's what you get for not coming ready to the meeting :p
[16:03] <willcooke> ooooh
[16:03] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark1
[16:04] <Sweet5hark1> - 5.1 alpha1/xenial
[16:04] <Sweet5hark1> - code review
[16:04] <Sweet5hark1> - some bug triage on LibreOffice ARM not starting, some look in people having problems with libreoffice-dev (sdk) on Ubuntu
[16:04] <Sweet5hark1> - libpng CVE for coord for TDF LibreOffice build
[16:04] <Sweet5hark1> - build system/unittest debugging improvements
[16:04] <Sweet5hark1> - multiple candidate interviews for TDF DocLead position
[16:04] <Sweet5hark1> - preparations for 2. german open IT Summit in Berlin
[16:04] <Sweet5hark1> - LibreOffice/GNOME Madrid Hackfest coordination, advertising and budgeting, other tenders&budgeting
[16:04] <Sweet5hark1> EOF
[16:04] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark1
[16:04] <willcooke> #topic aob
[16:04] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: yeah. /me is feeling guilty.
[16:05] <willcooke> oki, let's end the meeting and the seb128 Trevinho we can talk about that frame sync stuff
[16:05] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[16:05] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Nov 17 16:05:20 2015 UTC.
[16:05] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-11-17-15.30.moin.txt
[16:05] <Laney> always be prepared well in advance!
[16:05] <willcooke> thanks all
[16:05] <Laney> WELL!#
[16:05] <seb128> lol
[16:05] <seb128> like Laney
[16:05]  * Laney #startmeeting -> #starttyping
[16:05] <seb128> be ready, including a nice utf8 char of the week ;-)
[16:05] <Laney> -> #startgooglingforunicode
[16:06] <seb128> willcooke, the url Trevinho gave (http://fishsoup.net/misc/wm-spec-synchronization.html) has the technical details
[16:06] <willcooke> TL;DR
[16:07] <Trevinho> willcooke: yeah.. or http://blog.fishsoup.net/2011/11/08/applicationcompositor-synchronization/
[16:07] <seb128> in practice it's supposed to lead to better/smooth rendering for e.g animated things
[16:07] <seb128> I think
[16:07] <willcooke> right, so same as video playback syncs to v refresh right
[16:07] <willcooke> you dont get tearing when you drag windows etc
[16:07] <seb128> I'm not paying attention to details enough to be able to say it makes a visible difference to me
[16:08] <seb128> but maybe larsu or Laney or others have more of an opinion on that
[16:08] <Trevinho> Not much about dragging windows... As per videos it's something that video players have to support (no idea about totem status on that)
[16:08] <seb128> unsure how much of a net user improvement it would looks like
[16:08] <larsu> no flickering for one
[16:08] <larsu> also smooth resizing
[16:08] <Trevinho> basically the idea is that the compositor will wait to redraw an app till the next vblank, if the app support this... Instead of doing it at XDamageNotify time
[16:09] <Trevinho> larsu: smooth resizing is something that is already partly implemented
[16:09] <Trevinho> larsu: as compiz already supports basic xsync
[16:09] <larsu> "partly"
[16:09] <larsu> :P
[16:09] <Trevinho> I mean, it does support the first version of this protocol, not the "extended" one...
[16:09] <larsu> what's the difference between xsync and this?
[16:09] <larsu> ah, got it
[16:09] <seb128> larsu, what sort of flickering?
[16:10] <larsu> Trevinho: was just making a stupid joke, sorry if it came off as dismissive
[16:10] <Trevinho> larsu: yeah, see difference between Basic Synchronization and Extended Synchronization in that doc
[16:10] <Trevinho> larsu: no worries ;-)
[16:10] <larsu> seb128: when creating windows - it's still there with my patch, but not as noticable because it's wit hthe background color instead of black
[16:10] <seb128> ah, that bug, right
[16:10] <larsu> but on slower machines or when creating many windows at once, you totally notice
[16:10] <seb128> yeah
[16:11] <seb128> it's just less disturbing because there is less change
[16:11] <willcooke> At this point, where I know very little my thoughts are that this is probably something that if had implemented it a few years ago would be nice, but at this point I don't think it's worth spending time on
[16:11] <seb128> same here, it's a nice to have but I'm unsure if would have that much of an impact
[16:11] <larsu> I tend to agree with willcooke, even though I'd really like to see it
[16:11] <seb128> or at least enough to justify to be on top of the todolist
[16:11] <seb128> like we need proper support for CSD before that
[16:11] <Trevinho> I agree
[16:11] <willcooke> I'd be happy to see it on the backlog and let's see if we have time
[16:12] <willcooke> agile ftw :)
[16:13] <willcooke> If someone can create a bug then I will target it etc and then if we have some time to work on it, then let's consider it, but right now we have bigger bugs to work on
[16:13] <willcooke> Probably something we should mention to the U8 / Mir guys though, so they can get it in to U8
[16:13] <willcooke> or at least be aware that it's a nice feature
[16:16] <Laney> it's something that would make a more quality experience on the lts
[16:16] <seb128> right
[16:16] <seb128> the list of things that would make more of a quality experience is long though
[16:17] <seb128> so we need to order it
[16:18] <Laney> I know
[16:18] <Laney> I think backlog is code for not doing it :)
[16:18] <Laney> or at least putting it low down
[16:19] <willcooke> it's a step up from not doing it
[16:19] <willcooke> but yeah, imo it's lower priority than the other bugs we have on the list
[16:21]  * seb128 shrugs at udisks
[16:23] <seb128> ok, maybe at gnome-disks :p
[16:23] <seb128> would be nice if changing partitions there would update fstab for you
[16:24] <larsu> would be nice if fstab weren't a thing anymore
[16:24] <seb128> yeah, is there a planned replacement?
[16:25] <qengho> Is systemd eating that too?
[16:25] <larsu> it's compatible with fstab, but it should, yes
[16:25] <larsu> there's a generator which takes fstab entries and makes them into units
[16:26] <seb128> there is no much to "eat" there, would need to define a new way to define what is in fstab
[16:26] <seb128> like what swap you want to use
[16:26] <seb128> or where to mount disks
[16:26] <larsu> seb128: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-fstab-generator.html
[16:26] <larsu> systemd has mount and swap units
[16:26] <seb128> so the replacement would be for sysadmin to write systemd units?
[16:26] <larsu> or use the generator
[16:27] <seb128> well, that's using fstab
[16:27] <larsu> ya
[16:27] <seb128> also I think my issue would stand still
[16:27] <seb128> I doubt gnome-disks update systemd units on the fly for you
[16:27] <willcooke> desktoppers:  we have an important user with this error message when using Chrome (not Chromium):
[16:27] <willcooke> (google-chrome:3016): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'com.canonical.desktop.interface' is not installed
[16:27] <larsu> "important"?
[16:28] <larsu> hehe, overlay scrollbars strikes again!
[16:28] <desrt> what larsu said :)
[16:29] <larsu> I guess chrome didn't depend on the overlay scrollbars package
[16:29] <larsu> so we missed that it's using it when removing that package
[16:29] <willcooke> Chrome isnt in the archive though is it?
[16:30] <seb128> well, they probably try to read or change the overlay-scrollbar key
[16:30] <seb128> and assume it's there
[16:30] <larsu> gsettings auto crashing strikes again! :)
[16:31] <Laney> HAHA
[16:31] <seb128> in fact it's probably our fault
[16:31] <Laney> "important user" is funny
[16:31] <Laney> (it's me)
[16:31] <larsu> Laney: HAHA no.
[16:31]  * larsu knows Laney's using vimperator
[16:31] <seb128> we still ship overlay-scrollbar-gtk2 by default
[16:32] <seb128> but not overlay-scrollbar
[16:32] <seb128> which includes the schemas
[16:32] <seb128> that's not going to end up well
[16:32] <Laney> ya they should move
[16:32] <Laney> or put the pkg back
[16:32] <seb128> right
[16:32] <seb128> I guess it means by default wily has no o-s on gtk2?
[16:32] <Laney> but that means the workaround is easy
[16:33] <willcooke> would switching Cr. to "Use Classic Theme" help in the meantime?
[16:33] <Laney> this is xenial
[16:33] <didrocks> seb128: overlay-scrollbar is a rdepends of ubuntu-desktop metapackage
[16:33] <Laney> I dropped it the other day
[16:33] <seb128> but some upgraders have the Xsession.d script leftover because conffiles
[16:33] <didrocks> ah, xenial…
[16:33] <Laney> it is there on wily
[16:33] <seb128> didrocks, it's not listed on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/xenial-desktop-amd64.manifest
[16:33] <Laney> just install the package
[16:33] <seb128> which is what I was looking at
[16:33] <seb128> ok, good
[16:33] <seb128> so not in wily
[16:33] <didrocks> you mentionned wily ;)
[16:33] <didrocks> yep
[16:33] <didrocks> all is fine, my chrome is happy there :p
[16:33] <seb128> yeah, I didn't realize the seed changed
[16:34] <willcooke> oh right, should have said this was on X, but guess you worked that out already
[16:34] <Laney> I bet the important user is willcooke
[16:34] <seb128> lol
[16:34] <didrocks> I doubt willcooke is using xenial :)
[16:34]  * Laney is going to use this keyword now in future to get things fixed
[16:34] <seb128> me too
[16:34] <didrocks> I would bet popey!
[16:34] <Laney> guys the important user wants the frame sync protocol implemented now
[16:34] <didrocks> ahah
[16:34]  * popey looks up
[16:34]  * Laney trolls, sorry :)
[16:35] <willcooke> :D:D
[16:35]  * popey is using xenial
[16:35] <didrocks> popey: and chrome, right?
[16:35] <Laney> lemme fix
[16:35] <popey> ya
[16:35] <didrocks> popey: and you just had a crash?
[16:35] <popey> uh, no
[16:35] <popey> should I? :)
[16:35] <seb128> upgraded probably don't have the package removed
[16:35] <Laney> wait
[16:35] <didrocks> popey: you are not important then to will's eyes :)
[16:36] <popey> Story of my life.
[16:36] <didrocks> popey: sorry man! :)
[16:36] <Laney> shouldn't it depends the other way around?
[16:36]  * didrocks hugs popey
[16:36] <popey> No, it's FINE!
[16:36] <seb128> Laney, lib should depends on the o-s binary
[16:36] <popey> I'm fine..
[16:36] <Laney> yes
[16:36] <seb128> since it uses its schemas
[16:36] <Laney> it must have not done before
[16:36] <seb128> that's a bug
[16:36] <Laney> because that is a metapackage
[16:36] <Laney> this is messed up!
[16:36] <seb128> we probably never noticed because -desktop was pulling in it
[16:37] <seb128> just move the schemas to the lib and be done?
[16:37] <Laney> and drop the meta?
[16:37] <seb128> oh, there is also the Xsession config in o-s
[16:37] <Laney> or keep for upgrades
[16:37] <Laney> let's do that
[16:37] <seb128> hum
[16:37] <seb128> dpkg is fine with moving conffiles between binaries like that, right?
[16:40] <Laney> this seems annoying
[16:40] <Laney> I'm just going to swap the depends
[16:42] <seb128> that's wrong though
[16:42] <seb128> can't you just make o-s a normal -common  binary?
[16:42] <seb128> and have the lib to depends on it?
[16:42] <Laney> how's that different to what I just said?
[16:42] <Laney> okay I wasn't going to rename it
[16:43] <seb128> I though you wanted to make o-s depends on the lib
[16:43] <seb128> rather than the lib on o-s
[16:43] <seb128> and I though you meant "seed o-s and have that depends on the lib"
[16:43] <Laney> that's what we had before
[16:44] <seb128> that seems backward since it means you can install the lib then and it's not going to pull the schemas
[16:44] <seb128> if you are let's say a xubuntu user
[16:44] <Laney> wtf
[16:44] <seb128> or maybe we just don't understand each others ;-)
[16:44] <seb128> anyway I trust you know how to fix it
[16:44] <Laney> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13314701/
[16:44] <seb128> let's stop discussing it
[16:45] <didrocks> sounds like the whole discussion about lib depending on service again
[16:45] <Laney> hahaha
[16:45] <didrocks> (indicators)
[16:45] <didrocks> and trailing coma, /me hugs Laney!
[16:45] <seb128> Laney, ok, I misunderstood you, all good ;-)
[16:45] <Laney> yeah it made me SICK to type it
[16:45] <Laney> but I did it for didrocks
[16:46] <seb128> I didn't know that o-s was depending on -gtk2
[16:46] <Laney> it was a metapackage
[16:46] <seb128> so I took the "swap" wrongly
[16:46] <seb128> right
[16:46]  * didrocks rehugs Laney then
[16:46] <seb128> all good
[16:46] <Laney> guess why we didn't think that it had this in it
[16:46]  * seb128 hugs Laney as well
[16:46] <Laney> when reviewing this list at sprint
[16:47] <seb128> small overlook
[16:47]  * Laney cries
[16:47] <seb128> it's good that we have important users testing our daily images to catch those bugs ;-)
[16:47] <Laney> sbuild has removed the nice unicode in its logs
[16:47] <Laney> now I have to look at ascii like some kind of savage
[16:52] <Laney> seb128: please to review
[16:52] <seb128> Laney, +1 from me from your pastebin
[16:52] <seb128> or is there a proper mp to ack?
[16:53] <seb128> ah, I've email
[16:53]  * seb128 clicks
[16:53] <larsu> *click*
[16:53] <seb128> bah
[16:53] <seb128> I lack lp powers to approve it though
[16:53] <Laney> HAHA
[16:53]  * larsu too
[16:54] <Laney> you typed "sweat"
[16:54]  * Laney perspires
[16:54] <seb128> gar
[16:54] <Laney> larsu's in the team
[16:54] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/~ayatana-scrollbar-team
[16:54] <seb128> go larsu go!
[16:54] <larsu> I just clicked?!
[16:54] <Laney> ?!?!?
[16:54] <seb128> larsu, https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/overlay-scrollbar/swap-depends/+merge/277726
[16:55] <seb128> you can do it!ù
[16:55]  * larsu takes the tomatoes off his eyes and approves
[16:55] <seb128> ah
[16:55] <seb128> better
[16:56] <seb128> (not the trolling though :p)
[16:57] <Laney> thanks pals
[16:57] <willcooke> thank you very much chaps
[16:57] <Laney> no 2fa thing in this room
[16:58] <Laney> man I actually have to *move*
[16:58] <willcooke> Laney, just guess
[16:58] <larsu> Laney: you can do it!
[16:58] <seb128> use the force
[16:58] <Laney> --force
[16:58] <Laney> use the dput you say?
[16:58] <seb128> lol
[16:58] <seb128> I can put a landing request up for you if you want
[16:58] <larsu> Laney: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POq2AznJO1Q
[17:00] <Laney> tell you what, I'm glad I went downstairs now
[17:00] <Laney> bought a chocolate bar at lunch and forgot
[17:00] <Laney> it was sitting on the table
[17:01] <willcooke> \o/
[17:01] <seb128> haha
[17:01] <seb128> that's karma for you!
[17:01] <Laney> larsu: thanks, my favourite song
[17:01] <larsu> enjoy
[17:08] <seb128> hum
[17:08]  * seb128 wonders if the nautilus segfault he's valgrinding is another instance of bug #1512826
[17:08] <seb128> I though we had the fix in xenial
[17:08] <seb128> but seems we don't yet
[17:08] <Laney> no release yet
[17:09] <Laney> glib maintainersssssssssssss
[17:09] <seb128> right
[17:20]  * didrocks waves good evening and good night!
[17:21] <larsu> didrocks: enjoy!
[17:21] <seb128> didrocks, night
[17:21] <didrocks> see you larsu, seb128!
[17:21] <didrocks> Laney: in case you didn't see, PR merged, you can switch to it wenever you want ;)
[17:21] <didrocks> whenever*
[17:22] <Laney> good stuff!
[18:16] <Laney> bye!
[18:17] <willcooke> also bye