[08:37] <tsdgeos> cimi: note the new_dash thing breaks at some point because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1513897
[12:12] <cimi> tsdgeos, can I still approve though? or shall we wait for that fix?
[12:13] <tsdgeos> cimi: given that it's unusable and you can't test it i don't think you should approve it tbh
[12:14] <cimi> tsdgeos, ok, I tested without 1.3 with the previous silo...
[12:14] <cimi> I still have it on my phone
[12:17] <tsdgeos> yeah but that's techinically not what you're approving anymore :D
[12:18] <tsdgeos> i mean it would be quite weird for me to see something approved with such a glaring "bug"
[12:21] <dandrader> mzanetti, what's the name of the "gtk mir" package? couldn't find it.
[12:24] <mzanetti> dandrader, I've no idea yet
[12:30] <cimi> tsdgeos, yeah but we land when is ready, that was the point
[12:30] <tsdgeos> yeah don't know
[12:30] <tsdgeos> as you fele
[12:30] <cimi> if your branch is fine, and depends on another bug...
[12:30] <tsdgeos> feel
[12:31] <cimi> unless you will need to tweak sth else
[12:31] <tsdgeos> not in theroty
[12:31] <tsdgeos> theory
[12:31] <tsdgeos> food!
[12:32] <dandrader> mzanetti, but did you get to run gedit in a "unity8 mir" session?
[12:33] <mzanetti> no, never managed so far
[12:33] <mzanetti> dandrader, christownsend should be able to help
[12:33] <mzanetti> or perhaps the mir people would know too
[13:06] <greyback_> dandrader: gedit -- --desktop_file_hint=gedit    works for me
[13:07] <seb128> dandrader, mzanetti, what do you call "gtk mir"? if you are talking about the gdk mir backend it's part of gtk+3.0 itself (libgtk-3-0)
[13:08] <mzanetti> seb128, yes, I think that's what we meant
[13:09] <dandrader> seb128, ok, great
[14:00] <dandrader> mzanetti, could you please try to reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1515921 ? It's as simple as adding 'X-Ubuntu-Touch=true' to /usr/share/applications/gedit.desktop so that gedit shows up in list of apps in the dash
[14:00] <dandrader> mzanetti, I couldn't reproduce the issue. still see only the qml cursor
[14:00] <mzanetti> dandrader, you can't repro?
[14:00] <dandrader> mzanetti, no
[14:00] <mzanetti> ok, will try
[14:00] <dandrader> mzanetti, I made sure I installed trunk version of qtmir and unity8 on my test laptop. but who knows...
[14:02] <tsdgeos> mterry: ping
[14:02] <mterry> tsdgeos, hi!
[14:03] <tsdgeos> mterry: you did some work to allow "having no text in the infographics" https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/handle-empty-infographic-label, right? We don't need to do anything if they revert the libusermetrics change, right?
[14:04] <mterry> tsdgeos, yeah my change was just being more permissive if the library gives us nothing back.  If they revert, we should be fine
[14:04] <mterry> tsdgeos, design didn't like it being empty after all?
[14:04] <tsdgeos> mterry: seems so https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1514326
[14:04] <mterry> I told them!  :)
[14:04] <seb128> that's ridiculous
[14:05] <seb128> mpt, ^ did you see that?
[14:05] <mpt> no
[14:06] <seb128> mpt, can you talk to Magdalena and agree on what should be done?
[14:06] <seb128> it doesn't make much sense to make "no data source available"
[14:07] <mterry> Yeah, I don't like that string either.  If we want to use a string, it could be nicer like "Welcome to Ubuntu" or something non-hostile
[14:12] <seb128> or at least something that makes some sense to normal users
[14:12] <mpt> seb128, mterry, apart from this reported bug, are there any problems being caused by the empty text?
[14:12] <seb128> like "no events recorded today"
[14:12] <seb128> mpt, no
[14:12] <mterry> mpt, no
[14:20] <mpt> seb128, ok, I checked with Ben and wontfixed it
[14:20] <seb128> mpt, thanks!
[14:20] <seb128> tsdgeos, ^ less work ;-)
[14:21] <tsdgeos> well it's weird since magdelna said exactly the reverse
[14:21] <tsdgeos> but oh well less work is good
[14:22] <mpt> tsdgeos, not her fault, she was misinformed
[14:25] <seb128> Saviq, pete-woods, is https://code.launchpad.net/~pete-woods/camera-app/file-based-infographics/+merge/210573 / https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1410-unity-ui-infographics still a thing?
[14:30] <tsdgeos> seb128: Saviq's on holidays for like a week more
[14:30] <seb128> tsdgeos, thanks, confusing those people who let IRC going with their normal nickname when they are not there ;-)
[14:31] <seb128> pete-woods, is https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/camera-app/infographics-translations/+merge/250616 something you plan to follow up on?
[14:38] <pete-woods> seb128: to the first question. I'm not sure. it was something that was tasked by my old manager, and he's not here now
[14:38] <pete-woods> seb128: to the second thing, ideally yes
[14:39] <seb128> pete-woods, the second one there is a merge request for the translation thing up, so maybe you should prod Kaleo for review ;-)
[15:03] <mterry> dandrader|afk, hey at some point if you could look at https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/tutorial-redesign/+merge/271342 in terms of the changes I made to the DDA, I'd appreciate it.  That MP is not ready for a full review yet, but the DDA stuff likely won't change unless you want it to.  It seems to work for me
[15:24] <dandrader> mterry, ok
[16:00] <tsdgeos> oh my
[16:00] <tsdgeos> why i can't never run an unity8 desktop session :/
[16:00] <tsdgeos> i'm always getting crashes or aborts or whatnot :/
[16:06] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: ltinkl: do you guys use the distro packaging when running unity8 as a session? i'm getting an abort with a stack trace pointing to start_thread :S
[16:07] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, yes, I install unity8-desktop-session-mir and run that
[16:07] <mzanetti> then I modify QML files in place to test things
[16:07] <mzanetti> or rather, I use this script to install a working directory: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13314241/
[16:08] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[16:08] <tsdgeos> i have that package
[16:08] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, fwiw, I'm still on v+o
[16:08] <mzanetti> but I think lukas is on x
[16:09] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, anyhow, try reinstalling the unity8 package
[16:09] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, also make sure you don't have old mir libs around. I remember at some point I had problems because of that
[16:09] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, what graphics chip do you have?
[16:10] <tsdgeos> intel
[16:10] <mzanetti> hmm... same here. should work
[16:10] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: the bug you mention about the dash coming up empty, does it only happen in unity8 as a session or also happens on other desktop if you just do "start unity8-dash"?
[16:10] <tsdgeos> and/or start unity8
[16:38] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: dandrader: i get graphical glitches on the cursor on my laptop when on the unity8 greeter, known?
[16:45] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: dandrader: here the photo http://i.imgur.com/jnHMNn2.jpg
[16:47] <dandrader> mzanetti, yeah, I have seem it once or twice before. but it's been a long while since it last happened. I think it happened with the fallback cursor only. do you have the DMZ cursor theme installed there?
[16:48] <dandrader> tsdgeos, ^
[16:48] <tsdgeos> dandrader: maybe not, what's the package name?
[16:48] <dandrader> tsdgeos, it was so hard to reproduce that I forgot about it
[16:48] <dandrader> tsdgeos, dmz-cursor-theme
[16:49] <dandrader> tsdgeos, you must have it as Unity 7 uses it
[16:49] <tsdgeos> yeah i do
[16:49] <tsdgeos> dandrader: i can repro all the time
[16:50] <tsdgeos> also the mouse is like ultra slow inside the unity8 session compared to outside it
[16:50] <tsdgeos> is this something we control somehow?
[16:54] <mterry> mzanetti, guh, stupid admin password idea
[16:54] <mzanetti> mterry, indeed
[16:55] <mzanetti> mterry, well, I guess I'm ok with disconnecting the lockscreen from the user's passwort
[16:55] <mzanetti> mterry, but putting that in the welcome wizard seems quite odd
[16:55] <mterry> mzanetti, well I think that's a very advanced user feature yeah
[16:55] <mzanetti> yes, should be in the developer mode options
[16:56] <mterry> mzanetti, but mostly it seems crazy to keep allowing apps to brute force passwords.  And if stop them from doing that, I don't see the need for this change
[16:56] <mzanetti> kgunn, do you know about that requirement and where it came from / how official it is?
[16:56] <mzanetti> apparently we have to add a username, lockscreen code and sudo password stuff into the welcome wizard
[16:57] <mzanetti> which seems wrong to me when thinking about regular joe
[16:57] <mterry> mzanetti, (they wanted the username?)
[16:57] <mzanetti> didn't she say?
[16:57] <mterry> mzanetti, I might have missed that
[16:57] <mterry> mzanetti, maybe need it for sure once they go multi-user, and she was thinking down that road, but I don't know if she said she wanted it now or then
[16:58] <mzanetti> mhm
[16:58] <mzanetti> mterry, otoh, on a Ubuntu Desktop we've been asking those things too since forever
[16:58]  * kgunn reads a little
[16:58] <mzanetti> not saying that it's great on a phone, but thinking convergence...
[16:59] <mterry> kgunn, we were just told by Patricia that there is a new requirement that we ask users for an admin password
[16:59] <mterry> kgunn, in response to the "brute force" attack by apps on the password
[16:59] <kgunn> mzanetti: mterry ...yeah that's news to me
[17:00] <mterry> kgunn, but that seems like a very odd response to that attack
[17:00] <kgunn> mterry: probably best to see if jdstrand is pushing this
[17:00] <mterry> yah
[17:00] <kgunn> maybe convince him it's overkill ?
[17:01] <mterry> mzanetti, kgunn: moving to #ubuntu-touch
[17:01] <kgunn> altho..he's a sec guy...overkill is sort of the idea :)
[17:06] <dandrader> tsdgeos, reboot and try again if you see the corruption? :-D
[17:06] <dandrader> the Windows(tm) way :)
[17:08] <tsdgeos> dandrader: yeah did reboot like 3 or 4 times
[17:08] <tsdgeos> since i was trying to figure out why it crashes after inputting the password on the lock screen
[17:08] <tsdgeos> get it all the time
[17:09] <tsdgeos> dandrader: any pointer on what may be wrong if i want to put some time on it?
[17:11] <dandrader> tsdgeos, the only thing that can be going wrong is the logic that loads the xcursor image into a QImage
[17:11] <dandrader> tsdgeos, in plugins/Cursor/CursorImageProvider.cpp
[17:12] <tsdgeos> dandrader: oki, i'll see if i can repro tomorrow
[17:13] <tsdgeos> eod now
[17:13]  * tsdgeos waves
[17:14] <dandrader> mterry, DDA changes in lp:~mterry/unity8/tutorial-redesign look fine
[17:16] <mterry> dandrader, awesome, thanks
[17:16] <mterry> will quote you in the MP  :)
[17:17] <dandrader> mterry, only unsure about the property name. Because it will work all the same, only difference is that it won't claim ownership over the touch point once it recognizes it's performing a gesture
[17:17] <mterry> dandrader, yeah.  I'm happy to rename it.  Got something you like better?
[17:20] <dandrader> mterry, no :)
[17:23] <dandrader> mterry, btw SwipeArea just got merged into uitk staging branch
[17:23] <mterry> dandrader, that's the new name for DDA?  cool
[17:23] <dandrader> mterry, yes
[17:23] <mterry> dandrader, so bad time to be futzing with DDA  :)
[17:24] <dandrader> mterry, getting the same change into UITK might not be so easy :)
[17:25] <mterry> dandrader, well long term plan is to get the bottom edge part of the tutorial into the UITK and into apps themselves eventually
[17:25] <mterry> dandrader, so maybe we just carry DDA for a bit longer until that happens
[17:25] <dandrader> mterry, hmm, so why don't you work already on top of uitk's staging branch?
[17:26] <dandrader> mterry, or is there some other prerequisite missing for this change?
[17:26] <dandrader> (ie, having bottom edge tutorial into uitk)
[17:27] <mterry> dandrader, design isn't super ready for that portion yet, and they want to land the broader tutorial changes sooner rather than later