[01:44] <jplatte> where would be the appropriate place to ask about ubuntu-device-flash?
[01:50] <ahayzen> jplatte, probably in #ubuntu-touch but alot of the people are in this channel or that one :-)
[01:51] <jplatte> yeah so this thing is NOT behaving as it should
[01:51] <jplatte> it fails to go into recovery mode despite me having specified the recovery image file, even when I use an absolute path
[01:52] <jplatte> and now I'm trying to flash the bq channel instead of the non-bq devel channel and it fails before it has even downloaded the new image?!
[01:52] <ahayzen> jplatte, what is the command you are running and the output ?
[01:52] <jplatte> also, the -v flag has to be before the touch apparently? but who cares, it doesn't do anything anyway >_<
[01:52] <jplatte> jonas@VirtualBox-Xubuntu:~$ sudo ubuntu-device-flash -v touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en --bootstrap --recovery-image /home/jonas/recovery-krillin.img
[01:52] <jplatte> 2015/11/18 02:50:39 Expecting the device to be in the bootloader... waiting
[01:52] <jplatte> 2015/11/18 02:50:39 Device is |krillin|
[01:52] <jplatte> 2015/11/18 02:50:39 Flashing version 26 from ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en channel and server https://system-image.ubuntu.com to device krillin
[01:52] <jplatte> 41.34 MB / 52.68 MB [[01:53] <jplatte> I had a = instead of a space after --recovery-image first, does not make a different
[01:53] <jplatte> *difference
[01:53] <jplatte> with a space is simply how I found it online
[01:53] <ahayzen> well firstly you shouldn't need sudo
[01:53] <jplatte> I do, fastboot devices doesn't find it without sudo and ubuntu-device-flash waits forever for the device to be in the bootloader
[01:54] <jplatte> dunno why, fastboot devices works on my host system (I'm flashing through usb passthrough on a xubuntu 15.04)
[01:54] <ahayzen> hmm i've never used the --recovery-image before so someone else is probably better to answer
[01:54] <jplatte> I guess I'll restart the VM
[01:56] <jplatte> ah right, this was the problem without sudo:
[01:56] <jplatte> jonas@VirtualBox-Xubuntu:~$ fastboot devices
[01:56] <jplatte> no permissions	fastboot
[01:58] <ahayzen> hmm $ adb devices and $ fastboot devices both work without sudo for me
[01:58] <jplatte> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/27017453/fastboot-and-adb-not-working-with-sudo
[01:58] <jplatte> they're talking about udev, might well be that it's the virtualbox passthrough that results in the permission problem
[02:04] <jplatte> is there a manual chmod I can do?
[02:04] <jplatte> also, how high is the probability that running ubuntu-device-flash as sudo actually changes anything for worse??
[02:05] <ahayzen> probably not stopping it doing what its failing todo
[02:06] <jplatte> will upgrading from 0.30 to 0.32 potentially help?
[02:06] <cwayne1> jplatte: what version of ubuntu is your vm
[02:06] <jplatte> 15.05
[02:06] <jplatte> *04
[02:07] <cwayne1> jplatte: and where did you get that recovery image from?
[02:07] <jplatte> heh
[02:08] <jplatte> somewhere on launchpad I think, linked to on askubuntu
[02:08] <cwayne1> ah, that'd probably be the right one then..
[02:08] <jplatte> http://askubuntu.com/questions/602035/how-do-i-use-ubuntu-device-flash-with-the-bq-aquaris-e4-5-and-aquaris-e5
[02:08] <jplatte> not sure, I guess that could actually be the problem
[02:08] <cwayne1> jplatte: something you could try is sudo fastboot boot /home/jonas/recovery-krillin.img
[02:09] <jplatte> okay
[02:09] <cwayne1> jplatte: and once that's booted, verify you can adb shell to it
[02:09] <cwayne1> then you could try the same u-d-f call, but without --bootstrap
[02:10] <jplatte> hey, it shows up in adb devices! :)
[02:11] <cwayne1> :) also jplatte the udev rules you would need are in the second answer on the askubuntu question
[02:11] <jplatte> Yeah I looked at that
[02:11] <jplatte> Didn't copypaste it but played around with the vbox udev rules
[02:11] <jplatte> but didn't work
[02:11] <cwayne1> im just not sure how it works with usb passthrough to vbox, never tried that
[02:12] <jplatte> anyway, now I'm getting weird error messages
[02:12] <jplatte> Do I have to use a bq-approved channel? :<
[02:12] <jplatte> The bq images are so cluttered with useless stuff that's tedious to remove
[02:12] <cwayne1> im pretty sure that's the right channel, what're the errors you're seeing?
[02:13] <jplatte> No I didn't use the stable channel this time
[02:13] <jplatte> I used ubuntu-touch/devel/ubuntu
[02:13] <jplatte> (it did show up with ubuntu-device-flash query --list-channels --device=krillin so I thought it should work)
[02:13] <jplatte> 2015/11/18 03:11:15 Device is |/sbin/sh: getprop: not found|
[02:13] <jplatte> Device /sbin/sh: getprop: not found not found on server https://system-image.ubuntu.com channel ubuntu-touch/devel/ubuntu
[02:14] <cwayne1> jplatte: adding --device krillin should fix that
[02:14] <jplatte> thanks! :)
[02:15] <jplatte> it's doing something... ^^
[02:15] <jplatte> for longer than before...
[02:16] <cwayne1> it's cause the way it auto-determines the device doesnt work from recovery (there's no getprop command)
[02:16] <cwayne1> neat :)
[02:16] <jplatte> so now that this is non-bootstrap, what's going to be reset?
[02:17] <cwayne1> userdata should be preserved, if you dont want it to be you can --wipe
[02:17] <jplatte> nah, it's nice to have that stay
[02:17] <jplatte> does userdata include non-preinstalled apps?
[02:19] <cwayne1> i believe so
[02:19] <cwayne1> but its been a while since ive done phone stuff, so i could be wrong :)
[02:19] <jplatte> so you also don't know what apps are preinstalled on the non-bq image?
[02:20] <jplatte> wanted to ask that next :D
[02:20] <cwayne1> it depends on the channel
[02:20] <cwayne1> they all have different custom tarballs with different preinstalled apps
[02:20] <jplatte> ubuntu-touch/devel/ubuntu
[02:20] <cwayne1> i think that was the least amount of preinstalled stuff, but i never really used that one
[02:21] <jplatte> but do the non-vendor-specific ones also have apps that aren't in the store?
[02:21] <cwayne1> no, theyd all be in the store
[02:21] <jplatte> because that was the most confusing and annoying about the bq image
[02:21] <cwayne1> there were only a select few that weren't in the store
[02:21] <jplatte> it has all these scopes that you can't uninstall (at least without the command line) because you just can't get to their store pages
[02:22] <cwayne1> yeah, that is an issue
[02:22] <jplatte> only english names being searchable is another one :P
[02:22] <cwayne1> in which scope?
[02:22] <jplatte> I'm really sceptical about UTs future in general :D
[02:23] <jplatte> which scopes were uninstallable? a lot
[02:23] <jplatte> I think reddit was one of them
[02:23] <cwayne1> ah, see those ones aren't even installed on the phone
[02:23] <cwayne1> those live on a server
[02:23] <cwayne1> lp:ubuntu-rest-scopes
[02:23] <jplatte> not that I don't like or use reddit, it's awesome, but the scope is absolutely useless because I can't log in
[02:24] <cwayne1> reddit, weather channel, openlibrary, wikipedia, yahoo finance,
[02:24] <cwayne1> jplatte: you know i cam pretty close to writing a logged-in reddit scope, but figured theres enough apps in the store for it
[02:24] <jplatte> that's another thing, why is canonical marketing scopes so badly..? at the current state they can't do shit
[02:24] <cwayne1> well i dont know about that
[02:24] <cwayne1> a lot of them can do quite a bit
[02:25] <cwayne1> there's certainly room for improvement
[02:25] <jplatte> well, I think a logged in reddit scope wouldn't be so much better
[02:25] <ahayzen> i live in the main scopes :-) lol
[02:25] <cwayne1> also full disclosure
[02:25] <cwayne1> i wrote a whole lot of those scopes
[02:25] <cwayne1> and im the one that added a bunch of those things to the preinstalled images
[02:25] <cwayne1> sooooooo you hate me :)
[02:25] <jplatte> my general problem with the scopes is that they don't have their main selling feature, which is being instantly accessible
[02:26] <cwayne1> how so?
[02:26] <jplatte> When I swipe to a scope, it always has to load for 1 or 2 seconds before actually showing up to date data
[02:26] <jplatte> there's no quick swiping through them to view stuff on the go
[02:26] <jplatte> I could open up an app just as well as it it currently
[02:26] <cwayne1> i always just swiped up from the bottom and chose the scope that way
[02:27] <cwayne1> but you can swipe through them if you set them as favorites
[02:27] <cwayne1> but that said, if you have like 10 favorites its not quite as useful
[02:27] <ahayzen> cwayne1, i think the aggregation scopes should have a higher precedence in that list from the bottom, even have the single scopes collapsed under them in the menu
[02:27] <cwayne1> ahayzen: i agree
[02:27] <ahayzen> as if i'm looking for the News aggregation scope in my list of scopes i have to scroll quite far down
[02:27] <jplatte> uhm... shouldn't this flashing come to an end by now?!
[02:27] <ahayzen> and i really don't care about the BBC/CNET scopes
[02:27] <jplatte> it's been running since more than 10 minutes
[02:28] <cwayne1> ahayzen: not if you favorite the news one :)
[02:28] <ahayzen> i just want the aggregated one
[02:28] <jplatte> okay, I can see aggregate scopes being useful for some people
[02:28] <ahayzen> cwayne1, yeah its favourite now, but my point is that list is *way* too long and i never use it because of that
[02:28] <cwayne1> if you add it as a favorite you can set its place in the list of favorites
[02:28] <jplatte> that is a thing I didn't consider
[02:28] <cwayne1> ahayzen: yeah, that's fair
[02:28] <cwayne1> i dont know that a list is the best way to do it
[02:28] <jplatte> but aggregated scopes are also useless to me because there is nothing they could aggregate
[02:29] <ahayzen> cwayne1, but if it showed a list like Music, News, Videos etc .. then if you tap on news it shows all the news ones in the list or something .. would be much easier to navigate
[02:29] <cwayne1> jplatte: any specific examples of what you think they're missing?
[02:29] <cwayne1> ahayzen: absolutely
[02:29] <ahayzen> then the main issue of scopes after that, is i can only read the first X characters of the article, i have to then open the browser
[02:30] <jplatte> cwayne1: aggregated scopes or scopes in general?
[02:32] <ahayzen> i believe the refreshing of the scopes is planned to be improved, right cwayne1 ? so it doesn't go completely blank/white ?
[02:32] <jplatte> Can I safely assume the flashing failed (again) when it's been taking more than 15 minutes??
[02:32] <ahayzen> jplatte, what stage is it at?
[02:33] <jplatte> 2015/11/18 03:14:27 Start pushing /home/jonas/.cache/ubuntuimages/pool/ubuntu-631ce387d6c729c3da0ae9177d0c9d9a07f3e0dfb15b21b20771079322915d20.tar.xz to device
[02:33] <jplatte> it's started pushing 4 files, then logged it was done with 3, started pushing 2 more, and now it just sits there
[02:33] <jplatte> all the logs are from within the first minute of starting it
[02:33] <ahayzen> usually the last file is huge and takes a while
[02:34] <jplatte> okay, then I'll keep waiting I guess
[02:34] <jplatte> actually
[02:34] <ahayzen> could adb shell in and see what $ top is showing
[02:34] <jplatte> let me just check the files sizes of those
[02:34] <cwayne1> jplatte: both, really
[02:34] <cwayne1> ahayzen: not sure to be honest, i've been out of the scopes game for a bit now :)
[02:34] <jplatte> so aggregation scopes are just not for me I think
[02:35] <ahayzen> cwayne1, haha thought there was a discussion at UOS about it
[02:35] <jplatte> the only one I might be interested in would be news aggregation in the form of RSS feeds
[02:35] <jplatte> normal news as one is useless, I only have one text source for that
[02:35] <cwayne1> jplatte: that's basically what the news aggregator is
[02:36] <jplatte> I guess I would use an rss aggregation for comics, but then again that might not work because the screen is to small. but I also don't wanna read articles on my phone
[02:36] <cwayne1> jplatte: you can create a new scope from an rss feed in like 5 minutes, and add the news keyword so it shows up in the aggregator
[02:36] <jplatte> but I can't add my own rss feeds, can I?
[02:36] <jplatte> Oh, oaky
[02:36] <cwayne1> jplatte: well, there is a configurable rss scope in the store i think
[02:36] <jplatte> Should do that for my favorite news site then, even if I'm not gonna use it myself ^^
[02:36] <cwayne1> jplatte: :)
[02:37] <jplatte> okay, might try it out if my phone works again
[02:37] <jplatte> also...
[02:37] <jplatte> about that...
[02:37] <cwayne1> http://chrismwayne.com/?p=277
[02:37] <jplatte> adb shell hangs
[02:38] <ahayzen> cwayne1, if you have the calls and/or messages scope shown on the today scope, does that dramatically slow down the loading time for you ? (and sometimes causes it to not load anything below the calls scope)
[02:39] <cwayne1> ahayzen: yeah :(
[02:39] <jplatte> and about scopes in general.. not sure. I don't like any of the scopes that I actively do stuff, and haven't found many that just show information passively that I really like.
[02:39] <cwayne1> that's supposed to be fixed in ota8 IIRC
[02:39] <ahayzen> :( ooo :-)
[02:39] <cwayne1> jplatte: do you have any suggestions for specific ones you might like more?
[02:39]  * ahayzen wishes mako had the nearby aggregator 
[02:40] <jplatte> I know there is something like this, but it either didn't work or there was some big problem with it, but I like stuff like "Daily random XKCD scope"
[02:40] <ahayzen> hmm but i'm on rc-proposed that should be fixed for me :') lol
[02:40] <jplatte> Which would also be one scope that would massively suffer from not being pre-loaded
[02:40] <cwayne1> ahayzen: ill check with the dev tomorrow
[02:41] <ahayzen> i think its better than before, but still slow
[02:41] <jplatte> I'm not gonna wait a full second for this thing that might be nice to see, but I don't actually need
[02:41] <cwayne1> jplatte: ha, i did do an xkcd one, but admittedly havent tested it in quite some time
[02:41] <ahayzen> cwayne1, what about if you could make your own aggregator on the device
[02:41] <cwayne1> jplatte: that's fair
[02:41] <ahayzen> like a "My Scope" ... where i go .. i want the BBC News...the XKCD ..the Local Music
[02:41] <cwayne1> ahayzen: that idea was thrown around a lot, im not sure what became of it
[02:41] <ahayzen> could that even be a thing
[02:42] <cwayne1> in theory
[02:42] <jplatte> so yeah, the only scope besides apps and store I have 'favorited' is today, which is kinda nice I guess? but I could totally do without it
[02:42] <cwayne1> jplatte: but i mean do you have any specific ones you would use?
[02:42] <cwayne1> like services that would fit well to a scope that dont exist as a scope today
[02:43] <ahayzen> cwayne1, do local train/bus times appear on the nearby scope ?
[02:43] <cwayne1> ahayzen: nope, but they could if someone found a good api for them
[02:43] <cwayne1> ahayzen: it could work on a local level
[02:43] <ahayzen> that'd be pretty cool for some places
[02:44] <jplatte> Use as in actively do something in? I'm having a hard time imagining how a scope would be better than an app for anything I would do actively. But if it's also about passive one like today and XKCD, I guess a few more that just show info that would go on the "welcome screen".
[02:44] <jplatte> Because that welcome screen, if ever possible, will be replaced by media control buttons for me
[02:44] <ahayzen> jplatte, ok flip the question, which apps do you tend to use a lot? (that could then maybe be scopes)
[02:44] <cwayne1> well generally a scope is supposed to be about consuming content rather than actively doing stuff
[02:44] <jplatte> #1 App by faaaar: Music
[02:45] <ahayzen> music \o/
[02:45] <jplatte> Then Timer
[02:45] <jplatte> Oh, I guess that would be nice as a scope
[02:45] <jplatte> hm, am I actually using any web app scopes often..?
[02:45] <ahayzen> jplatte, we are considering taking the local music scope into the music-app click... so then we could expose the playlists to the scopes and then like most played/recent etc all from the scope
[02:45] <ahayzen> would that be useful ?
[02:46] <jplatte> dunno
[02:46] <jplatte> music control indicator would be useful :P
[02:46] <ahayzen> thats inprogress :-P
[02:46] <jplatte> but yeah, about the music scope..
[02:46] <jplatte> or actually the "My Music" scope, because the aggregation scope was just awful the last time I had a look at it
[02:47] <ahayzen> yeah i talking specifically about the My Music one
[02:47] <ahayzen> *i'm
[02:47] <jplatte> I'm pretty sure I haven't started playing music from it a single time
[02:47] <ahayzen> same, and i'm a music-app dev :-)
[02:47]  * cwayne1 uses the untappd scope and the fitbit scope constantly
[02:47]  * cwayne1 also wrote the untappd scope and the fitbit scope though..
[02:47] <jplatte> It has been there for a while, might actually be the fourth favorite scope I forgot, but I only ever scrolled though it, thought how awful it looked because of missing images, and gone on doing something else
[02:48] <jplatte> okay yeah not gonna use fitbit, am slightly underweight :D
[02:48] <jplatte> what's untappd though?
[02:48] <ahayzen> jplatte, yeah i think the navigation of it could be improved and if it exposed data from the music-app it could be pretty cool
[02:48] <jplatte> ahayzen: to quote myself: dunno ^^
[02:48] <cwayne1> jplatte: beer info
[02:48] <jplatte> oh
[02:48] <jplatte> yeah not my thing either
[02:49] <jplatte> (my music scope) I just don't see how it's any better than using the app directly
[02:49] <ahayzen> yeah once you have the app open i agree
[02:49] <jplatte> so what's the use case here?
[02:50] <ahayzen> you can search your music and select an album to play without having to open the app first, i guess
[02:50] <jplatte> saving on startup time of the app?
[02:50] <ahayzen> yeah :-/
[02:51] <jplatte> well I guess this might be useful for people who don't have it running constantly
[02:51] <jplatte> that reminds me.. how near are we to the music control indicator?
[02:51] <ahayzen> but say you were on the Music aggregation, you could search for an Artist and you would then get results locally, on 7digital, any events they are playing, soundcloud etc
[02:51] <ahayzen> jplatte, "close" ;-)
[02:51] <jplatte> because that will include the change where the music app doesn't actually have to run anymore when music is being played, right?
[02:52] <ahayzen> jplatte, we missed OTA8 but we are working with upstream, fingers crossed for OTA9 :-) lol our side is in this branch https://code.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/media-hub-bg-playlists-rework
[02:52] <jplatte> I fear my phone is gonna be even more annoying to use, because the music app will constantly have to restart :S
[02:52] <ahayzen> jplatte, eventually yes it won't have to run, but you will be able to control from the indicator :-)
[02:53] <jplatte> I still want it to run in the backgroudn though, just to save on startup time! :D
[02:53] <ahayzen> and when the app comes out of suspend it should jump back to the same spot you were
[02:53] <ahayzen> haha, what's our startup time now ~3seconds IIRC ?
[02:53] <jplatte> can't test :/
[02:53] <ahayzen> (note it was much worse before we halved it last year)
[02:54] <jplatte> but is suspend wakeup time low?
[02:54] <ahayzen> idk, we have never been suspended :-) lol
[02:54] <jplatte> do the wakeup times vary from app to app?
[02:54] <ahayzen> depends what the app needs to load
[02:55] <jplatte> that sounds like a yes
[02:55] <jplatte> also, I just checked the files that are being flashed onto my phone
[02:55] <ahayzen> eg we have quite a few multimedia libraries to load, that say the weather app doesn't need to load
[02:55] <jplatte> this can never take this long
[02:55] <jplatte> it's been running since 40min
[02:55] <jplatte> it's 570MB of data
[02:55] <ahayzen> is the device doing anything visibly ?
[02:55] <jplatte> nope
[02:56] <jplatte> hasn't been since going into recovery mode
[02:56] <ahayzen> hmm i don't know i'm afraid
[02:56] <jplatte> just a orange ubuntu on a white circle on a purple background
[02:56] <ahayzen> spinning ?
[02:56] <jplatte> nope
[02:56] <jplatte> cwayne1: is it safe to ctrl+c ubuntu-device flash in this state?
[02:57] <jplatte> ugh whatever
[02:58] <jplatte> wait what :O
[02:58] <jplatte> I have a recovery menu! :)
[02:58] <ahayzen> :-)
[02:58] <jplatte> buutthe factory reset says it will wipe all user data
[02:59] <jplatte> I have a feeling this will *only* reset user data
[02:59] <jplatte> that's the one thing I want to keep :D
[02:59] <ahayzen> :-/ i would take a backup
[02:59] <jplatte> hm, did a cache wipe
[02:59] <jplatte> don't think that's gonna help but hey :D
[03:00] <jplatte> apparently I can just restart the device-flash..
[03:00] <jplatte> at least I don't get an error message
[03:00] <jplatte> buut it doesn'tseem to be doing anthing either
[03:00] <jplatte> reboot...
[03:01] <jplatte> aand...
[03:01] <jplatte> in recovery mode again
[03:01] <jplatte> ubuntu-touch/rc/bq-aquaris.en
[03:01] <jplatte> ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[03:02] <jplatte> the first is the standard aquaris image, right?
[03:02] <jplatte> what's the second one?
[03:02] <jplatte> is proposed some sort of thing that gets deemed-as-stable-updates a little sooner or sth?
[03:03] <ahayzen> jplatte, probably best to read this page https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/
[03:08] <jplatte> wow the channel selection guide gives me nonexistent channels
[03:08] <jplatte> I kinda want devel
[03:08] <ahayzen> ...you likely don't want devel...
[03:09] <jplatte> why?
[03:09] <ahayzen> either rc or rc-proposed
[03:09] <ahayzen> like no QA at all
[03:09] <ahayzen> or stable
[03:09] <jplatte> okay, trying rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en now
[03:10] <ahayzen> that's what i'm on
[03:10] <jplatte> even the fricking download bar is buggy
[03:10] <ahayzen> its doing multiple downloads, so its gets confused lol
[03:14] <jplatte> okay, so it has to push 427MB
[03:14] <jplatte> I think it actually needs hours
[03:14] <jplatte> and it didn't hang last time
[03:15] <jplatte> because the <1MB files already needed a full second
[03:15] <ahayzen> it usually takes like a couple of minutes on my mako IIRC
[03:15] <jplatte> hm
[03:16] <jplatte> well, it's 04:15 here
[03:16] <jplatte> I'm just gonna let it run the next 8 hours :D
[03:16] <ahayzen> :')
[03:16] <jplatte> while I sleep
[03:19] <jplatte> good night
[03:19] <ahayzen> o/
[07:32] <dholbach> good morning
[09:17] <popey> dholbach, beuno do warnings trigger manual review in the store? (someone complained that their app has taken ages to be reviewed, it was stuck in manual review, and I looked and it's the vcs .excludes file again)
[09:18] <dholbach> popey, maybe we need another category for app reviews, maybe "notification" or something, which allow the app developer to publish regardless
[09:19] <dholbach> jdstrand should be part of this discussion as well
[09:19] <popey> yeah, I haven't been checking for apps as much recently because they generally all go through
[09:19] <dholbach> I realise that this is irritating and creates additional work, but as I said yesterday I feel there are valid cases where vcs files in the package are a problem
[09:20] <popey> sure, i just wasn't aware this was happening until this week, so will now have to check for manual review needed more often
[09:20] <dholbach> 1) huge vcs history, 2) proprietary app are two reasons which come to my mind
[09:20] <popey> sure, I understand why
[09:20] <dholbach> I agree we should discuss this
[09:20] <popey> it's just breaking the whole automated things
[09:21] <popey> I don't want us to go back to the bad old days where stuff sits there for weeks, untouched
[09:21] <popey> Because there's a giant queue of stuff for manual review, just because it has a .excludes file in it
[09:22] <popey> and actually, the .excludes file is put there by our sdk!
[09:23] <dholbach> jdstrand, ^
[09:23] <dholbach> or hang on, I'll file a bug
[09:24] <dholbach> popey, so removing .excludes would make you happy for now? in that case I'll make the bug just about that
[09:24] <popey> well, we should have the sdk and the review tools line up
[09:25] <popey> having the sdk actually make apps which by default _cannot_ be automagically loaded into the store is broken
[09:25] <popey> whether that's fixing the sdk or the review tools or the store I'm not sure
[09:26] <dholbach> https://bugs.launchpad.net/click-reviewers-tools/+bug/1517378
[09:28] <popey> thanks
[09:29] <popey> will poke jdstrand when he wakes
[12:32] <sverzegnassi> popey, balloons: is Jenkins still down? We have a few branches ready to land, but auto-landing isn't currently enabled.
[14:37] <timp> ahayzen: I fixed the second issue you commented on https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/lessHeaderDisabling/+merge/277713
[14:38] <timp> ahayzen: could you try it out with your app?
[14:43] <ahayzen> timp, yup will do, thanks :-)
[14:44] <timp> ahayzen: with the previous change, I made sure not to update 'moving' if unneeded when the height of the flickable contents changed
[14:44] <timp> ahayzen: but in the case of a long list being filtered, also the contentY of the flickable may change.. but that should also not always set 'moving' to true for the header.
[14:44] <ahayzen> ah :-)
[15:05] <timp> zsombi: ^I updated https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/lessHeaderDisabling/+merge/277713
[15:06] <zsombi> timp: why don't you take the verticalVelocity into accont to see whether really moves? That supposed to eb changed when the mouse/touch related moves are happening
[15:08] <timp> zsombi: it only matters how much the flickable moves (the header needs to follow it), not how fast
[15:08] <timp> zsombi: the flickable does really move, but the header does not always have to move as well.
[15:08] <timp> zsombi: when the header is exposed and you scroll up, the header stays exposed (doesn't move)
[15:58] <jdstrand> dholbach, popey: .excludes fixed in trunk. really, the sdk probably shouldn't include that in the click, but that is a flat text file and small, as opposed to .git or .bzr, so letting it through
[15:59] <dholbach> <3
[15:59] <popey> <3
[15:59] <dholbach> jdstrand, does https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/click-reviewers-tools/1517017/+merge/277679 look god to you too? :)
[16:03] <jdstrand> dholbach: commented
[16:03] <dholbach> thanks
[21:09] <jplatte> ahayzen: I have music player controls in the music indicator! :O
[21:10] <ahayzen> jplatte, hehe ;-)
[21:10] <jplatte> flashing finally worked when I extracted the ubuntu-device-flash executable from the xenial deb package and ran it on my laptop (though it would have worked on my desktop outside the VM as well I guess)
[21:11] <jplatte> will there have to be a system update before next / prev track will work?
[21:12] <ahayzen> jplatte, yup thats all work in progress :-)
[21:13] <jplatte> Okay.. so how does being on rc-proposed change what updates I get? Are there more frequent OTAs, do I just get the features sooner?
[21:14] <ahayzen> jplatte, you get like daily updates other than weekends, of what has been approved by QA that day
[21:14] <ahayzen> jplatte, and then eventually a cut of the rc-proposed is taken and released as a normal OTA to the other users
[21:15] <jplatte> Okay, but what would the update be for when it's stuff like the indicators?
[21:15] <jplatte> Surely it won't be a completely new image whenever something in Unity changes?
[21:16] <ahayzen> yup its a new image each day, usually only around 5-15MB though
[21:16] <jplatte> because all the unity updates I had before were updates for "Ubuntu" in the form of completely new images
[21:16] <jplatte> So that means a restart each update?
[21:16] <ahayzen> yup
[21:16] <jplatte> That sounds like it would get annoying quickly
[21:17] <ahayzen> as a dev it doesn't as you have the later stuff you need to be working with, but as a user yes it probably will
[21:17] <ahayzen> depends if you want to be on the latest or the most stable
[21:17] <jplatte> I definitely like to see all the latest stuff
[21:18] <jplatte> didn't know rc-proposed was this bleeding-edge though
[21:18] <ahayzen> like you don't *have* to update every day, you can update at the end of the week and just download a slightly larger download
[21:19] <jplatte> Whaat? No, I can't just not check for updates if I know there will be one almost every day :D
[21:19] <ahayzen> ;-)
[21:19] <ahayzen> i usually just update when i wake up
[21:19] <jplatte> So how do I know what changed? Do I have to subscribe to some Mailing List? :/
[21:20] <ahayzen> its on the landing emails or just look at the diff located...
[21:21] <ahayzen> http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/
[21:22] <jplatte> okay, so what are those landing emails?
[21:22] <ahayzen> there are landing emails as well in the ubuntu-phone mailing list that summarise everything
[21:22] <jplatte> oh okay, that would be the ML alternative
[21:22] <ahayzen> eg https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg16811.html
[21:23] <jplatte> I guess I'll have to write a small script to do something once there is a new file in that people.canonical.com directory
[21:23] <jplatte> Don't like email
[21:24] <ahayzen> :-)
[21:26] <jplatte> Sooo, how's the music app development going?
[21:26] <ahayzen> pretty good, lots todo :')
[21:27] <jplatte> Okay, are there any things I already have on rc-proposed that I didn't have before? Haven't noticed anything yet
[21:28] <ahayzen> not for music, because its a click whatever we put in the store you get on stable and rc-proposed
[21:28] <jplatte> oh, right
[21:29] <ahayzen> no beta store yet :-/
[21:29] <jplatte> what's the next update gonna bring, then?
[21:29] <ahayzen> bump to ubuntu components 1.3
[21:29] <jplatte> smaller header bar?
[21:29] <ahayzen> jplatte, look at the unreleased section of this http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/trunk/view/head:/debian/changelog
[21:29] <ahayzen> yeah
[21:29] <jplatte> that's a thing I noticed in the settings ^^