lpotteroh QNAM, silly QNAM01:40
RMJAnyone know if OTA8 will be released today?02:56
OerHeksNovember 18, 2015 is all i know03:01
RMJYeah that's what I saw, dunno if it got the final yes/no. It will be later today when they wake up if so I guess03:02
RMJGot my Nexus 4, bluetooth mouse and external monitor ready......03:02
ulalahello, does anyone know if wifi tether is planned for mako? I can't find anything in bug tracker here - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools04:22
RMJI think tethering was added a while ago but I've never tried it04:35
ulalaRMJ: it was added in general, but apparently not on mako04:48
RMJoh ok, sry04:48
ulalasomeone told me it's blacklisted on mako because it wasn't working04:49
blessonwifi not detecting in ubuntu 14.0405:32
blessonrealtek rtl8723be adapter...05:32
blessonany help?05:32
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Tm_Tinstalling yet another Ubuntu update on Meizu (:06:47
RMJOoo ota 8??06:48
dholbachgood morning07:32
OerHeksmorning Daniel, some are already waiting for OTA-8 :-D07:54
zzarrOerHeks, I am ;)07:58
zzarrwhen will it be released? (or is it already?)08:04
robin-heroHey all! Something is weird with the latest rc (not rc-proposed) channel. The image doesn't contain the latest translations, for example Unity8 uses translations which were translated before OTA-7...08:09
seb128robin-hero, do you have an example?08:10
seb128and what's the difference rc/rc-proposed?08:10
robin-heroseb128: Yes, In the power menu (restart, power off) the Power label translated to "Főkapcsoló" before OTA-7, and it is "Menü" since OTA-7. But now it is again "Főkapcsoló"08:11
robin-heroseb128: rc-propsed is for development, rc is for OTA-testing08:12
seb128robin-hero, what locale?08:12
robin-heroOh, sorry, It's Hungarian08:12
seb128pitti might know08:17
seb128pitti, how are current touch overlay langpack generated?08:17
seb128https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay/+sourcepub/5691260/+listing-archive-extra has08:17
seb128 msgctxt "Title: Power off/Restart dialog"08:17
seb128 msgid "Power"08:17
seb128-msgstr "Menü"08:17
seb128+msgstr "Főkapcsoló"08:17
seb128-"X-Launchpad-Export-Date: 2015-11-04 10:31+0000\n"08:18
seb128+"X-Launchpad-Export-Date: 2015-06-15 13:46+0000\n"08:19
seb128it's like it's using an old export?08:19
seb128same for french08:19
seb128robin-hero, can you open a bug about that on https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+filebug ?08:19
pittiseb128: we use the exports on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/15.04/+language-packs and overlay that on current vivid export; with a weekly cronjob; not much magic beyond that08:21
seb128pitti, any clue why the unity8 template has that export date 2015-11-04 -> 2015-06-15 in the most recent update?08:22
seb128that doesn't make any sense to me08:22
pitti(give me a minute)08:22
seb128-de has the same08:23
seb128-"X-Launchpad-Export-Date: 2015-11-04 10:31+0000\n"08:23
seb128-"X-Generator: Launchpad (build 17838)\n"08:23
seb128+"X-Launchpad-Export-Date: 2015-06-15 13:46+0000\n"08:23
seb128+"X-Generator: Launchpad (build 17557)\n"08:23
robin-heropitti: Any info? Am I need to fill a bug?08:36
pittisorry, haven't looked yet, will soon08:36
pittiit would be useful to check the latest exports on //translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/15.04/https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/15.04/+language-packs if they have the correct strings08:36
RMJAnyone any idea when/if OTA 8 is released?08:36
pittiseb128: oh, you already checked translations.l.n then? if it's wrong there, it'll be wrong in the export too08:41
robin-heropitti: I've just checked the latest export, and it has the correct translations.... weird08:41
robin-heroRMJ: in the next 1-3 days08:41
pittiwhat is rosetta-15.04/de/LC_MESSAGES/unity89280.po ?08:42
pittithat looks like an utterly broken name for unity8?08:42
pittirobin-hero: I doubt it -- rosetta-15.04/hu/LC_MESSAGES/unity89280.po has08:43
pittimsgid "Power"08:43
pittimsgstr "Menü"08:43
pittiwhich looks broken08:43
pittithat's "menu" in German, almost certainly not Hungarian08:43
pittiso the names, dates, translations, and po files are garbled apparently08:44
pittidomains, I mean ("unity89280")08:44
RMJThx, HDMI, bluetooth mouse at the ready :)08:44
pittirobin-hero: is "https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/15.04/+source/unity8/+pots/unity8/hu/32/+translate" *really* correct, can you check pleae?08:45
robin-heropitti: Yes, Menü is correct, because we don't have a word for "Power" in this situation08:46
pittiseb128: so I guesss the problem is that the current export doesn't have unity8.po any more, but unity89280.po?08:52
seb128pitti, yeah, that seems likely08:56
seb128but why the weird domain?08:56
seb128somebody changed that?08:57
seb128I guess we don't have a record/log of those changes?08:57
pittimaybe wgrant can see it in the DB08:58
seb128let's ask on #launchpad?08:59
seb128robin-hero, did you file a bug?09:00
robin-heroseb128: not yet09:01
seb128pitti, waiting for a reply, but I guess we just need to fix the domain and wait for another export09:05
seb128pitti, thanks for helping to debug09:05
pitti*nod*; so the remaining mystery is how the name got broken09:06
pittiseb128: I changed it back to "unity8" on /+admin, thanks for pointing out that page09:08
seb128pitti, k, I was waiting on #launchpad pong to do that, but I guess the state didn't matter much, they either have a record of changes or not09:09
seb128dpm, ^ do you know if somebody changed the unity8 domain and why?09:10
pittiseb128: right, I was doing it now as today we'll get another export, and I don't want that broken too09:10
pitti(I think it should start soonish)09:10
seb128how come that we got a unity8.po btw?09:10
pittiactually, I think it was already too late09:10
seb128I would have expected that a domain change would have resulted in unity8.po to be dropped09:11
seb128and a new unity8....pot to be added09:11
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jgdxseb128, are you guys in desktop seeing more chromium-browser crashes after 15.10?09:33
seb128jgdx, not that I know, willcooke mentioned some though09:33
seb128do you?09:33
seb128I'm also using firefox09:34
seb128so I can't really speak from experience there09:34
willcookeI expect this related to the overlay-scrollbar issue from yesterday09:34
seb128I doubt it09:34
seb128that's 15.1009:35
seb128and the o-s would prevent it to start at all09:35
seb128which is different from more crashes09:35
willcookeoh, sorry missed that09:35
willcookeI'm running the staging version of Cr.  Had a few niggles, but not crashes09:36
jgdxokay, thanks seb128, willcooke.09:38
jgdxA friend is seeing crashes, but he's running mate, so could be related. I'll ask him to file a bug.09:39
seb128jgdx, yeah, it's best09:40
seb128difficult to say without detials09:40
seb128but not a known issue as far as I can tell09:40
jgdxseb128, cool. Yeah, I don't see any crashes either.09:41
tvossmardy, if you wouldn't mind: https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-voss/location-service/robustify-event-propagation-in-case-of-multiple-providers-running/+merge/27778909:42
mardytvoss: is the change in debian/source/format intentional? (I have separate MP for that)09:44
tvossmardy, nope, let me revert htat :)09:45
lotuspsychjeanyone received OTA8 yet?09:57
RMJnot yet, well I haven't checked for at least 5min.... ;)09:57
lotuspsychjeRMJ: ok tnx mate09:58
dpmseb128, no, sorry, I didn't change it and I don't know of anyone that whould have changed it. Unfortunately, this is not a change we can track :/09:58
tvossmardy, fixed10:00
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy Education Support Professionals Day! 😃10:04
garrois there someone to help me?10:10
peat-psuwitgarro: just say what's the problem, and if someone can help you he/she will.10:12
mardytvoss: approved, but with a big reserve :-)10:13
tvossmardy, noted10:14
tvossmardy note that this applies to out of process-providers, too10:14
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mardytvoss: yes, but then why do we need threads?10:15
tvossmardy, not sure what you mean10:15
mardytvoss: well, this MP uses threading, which I suppose would not be useful when dealing with OOP providers10:16
garroOk. I was flashing Ubuntu-touch on my nexus 4 when a message appeared saying that a problem occurred and the phone should be restored by a PC or a center. Now I reboted and I'm trying again...10:17
tvossmardy, hmmm, so I don't think those two domains are connected in my mind :) also: the mp actually removes a lot of the threading10:18
tvossmardy, the only threaded thing is an executor pool that gets consolidated10:18
* mardy looks twice10:18
peat-psuwitgarro: try rebooting to recovery and run ubuntu-device-flash again10:19
mardytvoss: right, I didn't pay too much attention to the removed code10:20
peat-psuwitbarry: What's going on with this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-image/+bug/146313610:23
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1463136 in Ubuntu system image "Update archive-master.tar.xz file location to match si client 3.0" [High,In progress]10:23
garronow it says: "Root access possibly lost. Fix?"10:24
peat-psuwitgarro: says no. It's left-over things from Android and I don't know how it'll effects Ubuntu touch.10:25
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garronow it's booting in ubuntu10:26
garrois it normal that the current version is still 15.04 and not 15.10?10:29
peat-psuwitgarro: That's correct. Ubuntu touch stable channel is currently based on 15.0410:30
garrothanks for al10:30
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jaywinkhey everyone. Moved my Bq 4.5 to write mode (yes I know the risks, nuclear meltdown, etc ;)), and I gathered from the docs that OTA does not work after that. But I get OTA's (rc-proposed) still for Ubuntu system part. Applied one and so far it didn't overwrite any manually installed packages. Is it risky to apply OTA's in write mode?11:52
jaywinkand will I always get the same stuff with apt-getting?11:52
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tvossseb128, ping12:26
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tvossseb128, ping13:05
tvossseb128, if you find a minute: mind giving https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/657 a spin? fixes https://bugs.launchpad.net/trust-store/+bug/150402213:06
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1504022 in trust-store "Displays the hook name rather than the .desktop Name" [High,In progress]13:06
seb128tvoss, hey, sure I can have a look13:09
tvossseb128, thx13:10
jgdxfaenil, ping13:11
Crrshi, i have a nexus4 at rc-proposed r293. Is it normal, that i don't have hotspot functionality? It Diappeared a while ago :(13:22
faeniljgdx: pong, in a meeting, leave msg I'll get back to you asap13:40
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jgdxCrrs, yeah, it doesn't work like it should. See bug 143459113:40
ubot5bug 1434591 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "[mako] Cannot connect to a secure, shared "ap" hotspot" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/143459113:40
jgdxfaenil, I need some time to help debug a ListItemLayout height issue when using a loader to load it. Thanks!13:40
jibelCrrs, hotspot support has been removed from flo and mako 2 months ago, cf bug 1487157 for reference13:41
ubot5bug 1487157 in Canonical System Image "mako and flo should have hotspot disabled" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148715713:41
CrrsAh, ok. I was wondering because all of a sudden it is no longer offered in system settings. Thanks for your help :)13:42
jgdxCrrs, you can get it back using a simple command on the phone, if you're interested.13:42
jgdxthat enables you to create an insecure hotspot, which is less likely to cause the wpa_supp bug.13:44
boichevHello, I have added a new disk in ceph but the remmaping process stuck on the last 3.518% It says on this for the last 7 hours ...... Here is a pastebin with most of the debugging data I can think of .....http://pastebin.com/6GJj5gGd13:44
boichevops wrong channel13:45
Crrsjgdx, thanks. I dont need hotspot right now, i can wait. I thougt the missing hotspot is a bug, i didnt know that it was removed on purpose.13:48
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jgdxfaenil, unping14:03
faeniljgdx: fixed it? :)14:04
mardytvoss: I see that there's a geoclue provider; are we using it on the phone?14:07
tvossmardy, nope, and it's actually pointless by now :) we can safely remove it14:07
mardytvoss: I was thinking that it would be nice to have a geoIP-based provider, do you think I could spend some time on it?14:10
jgdxfaenil, yeah, I think so. There was an assumption that the loaded listitem would have a size even though it was set to visible: false.14:10
tvossmardy, sure, I would rather like to have it local, though. We can discuss a little later, on a hangout right now14:11
jgdxfaenil, (listitem was using listitemlayout)14:11
mardytvoss: OK14:12
faeniljgdx: do you have that code online? I'd like to doublecheck I'm doing the right14:16
jgdxfaenil, let me try to repro with a mcve14:17
faeniljgdx: thanks14:17
mterryslangasek, your fix for bug 1512323 is in the latest devel-proposed images, but mine still doesn't boot.  Is that expected because some of the other alignment issues from that bug are still in the source?14:20
ubot5bug 1512323 in android (Ubuntu) "devices on devel-proposed/ubuntu do not boot with systemd 227-2ubuntu1" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151232314:20
jibelmterry, this bug is fixed, now you must blame lxc14:22
jibelmterry, the android container doesn't start14:22
mterryjibel, ah.  Didn't know there was another culprit  :-P14:23
jibelmterry, bug 151697114:23
ubot5bug 1516971 in lxc (Ubuntu Xenial) "devel-proposed mako 350 - android lxc container fails to start" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151697114:23
mterryjibel, thanks14:25
seb128tvoss, tested 047, I get correct app names translated (e.g "appareil photo" for the camera), good work!14:26
tvossseb128, ack andthx14:26
seb128tvoss, btw while you are at doing tweaks to the dialog https://bugs.launchpad.net/trust-store/+bug/1382610 would be trivial to fix, I can do a mp if you like14:29
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1382610 in trust-store "Buttons order is wrong" [Undecided,New]14:29
aweMirv, if I add logging statements to the networkmanager bearer plugin, where would I find the actual log output on the device ( ie. the logging output from unity8 )?14:33
jgdxfaenil, not very minimal http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13330521/14:37
Mirvawe: I don't know really, tsdgeos probably knows. if you mean Qt's own output, unity8's would be in .cache/upstart14:38
awethat's what I meant14:38
jgdxfaenil, thing is, I'm not sure why the visible: height > 0 is there. Once that's gone, it works as expected.14:38
aweMirv, perfect, just what I was looking for, and I can see my debug output now.  Just need to figure out why the code's not doing the right thing14:39
faeniljgdx: let me try14:41
jgdxfaenil, the parent checks doesn't matter here, it's just silencing warnings you get from changing the model like that14:42
faeniljgdx: so, what is the problem in the code you pasted?14:43
faenilwhat is the expected and actual behaviour?14:43
jgdxfaenil, when you add items, they are overlapping14:43
jgdxfaenil, expected them to not overlap14:43
faeniljgdx: ok, right. I'm having a look14:44
peat-psuwitbarry: How is this bug going on? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-image/+bug/146313614:48
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1463136 in Ubuntu system image "Update archive-master.tar.xz file location to match si client 3.0" [High,In progress]14:48
jgdxseb128, hey, what do you think of https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/lp1517488/+merge/277833 ?14:48
barrypeat-psuwit: stalled unfortunately.  :(14:49
seb128jgdx, that a binary name is not a path ;-)14:49
jgdxseb128, ah, right :p14:49
seb128unsure why we had the full path, but I'm fine changing it if it works14:50
seb128what are others doing?14:50
peat-psuwitbarry: Is there anything I can do? I just want to host my own system-image server.14:52
jgdxseb128, in clock app, there's self.binary = 'ubuntu-clock-app'14:52
barrypeat-psuwit: for now, just keep reminding me ;)14:52
barryi'll try to get back to it soon-ish14:52
jgdxseb128, seems reasonable?14:52
peat-psuwitbarry: OK.14:52
seb128jgdx, yes, please just rename the variable14:53
jgdxseb128, filemanager too uses that pattern—self.binary = 'filemanager'14:54
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seb128k, that seems to make sense14:55
peat-psuwitDoes anyone know how to manage manual-type channel in system-image server?14:55
lotuspsychjeno ota8 on BQ yet here :p15:11
faeniljgdx: still trying to understand what happens...ListItem and ListItemLayout are resized correctly, but Loader doesn't follow them as it should...15:40
jgdxfaenil, … until you remove the  visible: height > 015:40
faeniljgdx: yes because in that case there's no additional resizing15:41
faeniljgdx: what happens is that ListItemLayout skips the layout process when the item is not visible (as it wouldn't make sense, right?)15:41
faeniljgdx: after it becomes visible (because the Item becomes visible) it updates its height, ListItem follows, but Loader doesn't15:42
jgdxfaenil, right, but it does send events, and a Connection { target: loader.item; onHeightChanged … fires15:42
faenilyes, loader.item resizes correctly, it's Loader itself which doesn't follow15:43
jgdxfaenil, per the doc, that's supposed to happen automagically15:44
faeniljgdx: but then if I trigger height+=1, then Loader picks it up, and it updates correctly15:44
faeniljgdx: ListItemLayout resizes correctly, ListItem follows correctly, it is Loader that doesn't resize15:44
faeniljgdx: as if the item resizes before Loader connects to item.heightChanged15:45
faenilI'm towards thinking it's a Loader bug at the moment, but I'm still investigating as I'm not convinced15:45
brendanddobey, hey, how far did you get with packaging the latest testtools? i seem to recall you were doing something with that before?15:46
jgdxfaenil, note that this bug was not present when using ListItem.Standard. Would that be because rendering is slower in ListItem.Standard, allowing the connection from loader to loader.item.heightChanged to be made first?15:47
faeniljgdx: no, probably just because the old listitems had fixed height15:47
jgdxoh, that's right15:47
faeniljgdx: plus if I add height: "item ? item.height : 0" I get a binding loop15:48
faeniland that doesn't make sense15:48
faenilbecause ListItem's height doesn't depend on Loader's height15:48
faenil(unless there's something Repeater or Column do that I'm not aware of)15:49
faenil(that expression is for Loader's height )15:49
dobeybrendand: i got it packaged in a PPA, but i think there's newer stuff now15:50
dobeybrendand: veebers e-mailed me about it as well, and i replied to him15:51
brendanddobey, ok - he said he was going to but wasn't sure if he did. thanks15:52
jgdxfaenil, yeah, I saw those binding loops as well. Sadly I know too little of any of those component's internals.15:52
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dobeybrendand: wily/xenial has newer stuff, but still not new enough, fwiw15:53
brendanddobey, can you point me to the ppa?15:54
faeniljgdx: that's what happens http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13331179/15:54
dobeythe latest testtools uses some stuff that's only in 3.5, and so requires some backports for older versions, which some people didn't want to have packaged in ubuntu, and i just gave up because i didn't want to argue about it15:54
dobeybrendand: ppa:dobey/testtools15:54
peat-psuwitDoes anyone know how to manage manual-type channel in system-image server?16:05
faeniljgdx: just fyi, no problem is asyncronous in the Loader is false16:11
faenilno problem if *16:12
faeniljgdx: use "visible: status == Loader.Ready"16:15
faenilsince you're loading items asyncronously..16:18
faeniljgdx: I'll take silence as an "ok" :D16:29
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faeniljgdx: I managed to reproduce the bug without ListItem/ListItemLayout18:01
faeniljgdx: just Rectangles ;)18:01
faenilat this point I'm quite sure this just has to do with the way Loader works, not a bug in uitk18:02
faeniljgdx: as the Loader documentation says, one should either set the size in the loaded item, and Loader will copy that, *or* set the size of the Loader, not both18:05
faenilone possible solution is to remove the anchors in the Loader and "onLoaded: item.width = Qt.binding(function() { return parent.width })"18:06
faenilso that the item has both the correct width and height, and Loader just takes mirrors that18:06
* faenil -> eod18:06
faeniljgdx: if you need more help just ping me :)18:07
faenilthat's why Loader was complaining for binding loop when doing "width: item ? item.width : 0", because Loader was already trying to resize to do "item.width = loader.width" (that's pseudocode) because the loader had left and right anchors set, so Loader assumed it was its task to resize the loaded item (as the documentation says)18:09
faenils/width/heigth in the previous sentence18:09
* faenil -> really eod18:09
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dragiscan i install ubuntu or ubuntu touch on my nexus 7 201218:12
OerHeksdragis, no, " the Nexus 10 and the 2012 version of the Nexus 7 have been dropped from Ubuntu Touch support by Canonical."18:14
OerHeksnexus 7 2013 is supported > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices18:15
dragisok thanks :)18:16
dobeyOerHeks: the nexus 10 is still on the devices list there as supported. i think you meant the galaxy nexus in wherever you got that quote from? :)18:23
OerHeksdobey, i got that quote from http://www.androidcentral.com/ubuntu-touch-support-dropped-galaxy-nexus-nexus-7-2012-nexus-1018:25
OerHeksmy bad, should stick to the latest info :-(18:26
davmor2dobey: it might need updating then we don't test manta any more18:33
dobeydavmor2: test in what sense? how often are flo, mako, or emulators tested?18:34
davmor2dobey: every ota release18:34
dobeyhmm, i need to set up an s-i server i think18:35
OerHeksIs OTA-8 out yet?19:55
davmor2OerHeks: no probably Tomorrow19:56
OerHeksoke thanks.19:56
jaywinkany idea anyone whether updating rc-proposed OTA images can overwrite things in a write mode enabled device? like extra packages installed via apt-get20:15
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davmor2jaywink: it will likely break things20:17
jaywinkdavmor2, ok thanks, I'll refrain from applying them then, thanks20:23
dobeyjaywink: you should use a chroto instead20:25
dobeyjaywink: https://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone/623311#62331120:25
pandatronesoooooo cold brrr20:26
jaywinkdobey, hmmm... why? the ubuntu developers page itself specifies for enabling write mode to do "phablet-config writable-image" (https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/). That works fine for me, apt-get and all works sweet. I don't want to do hacks to maintain OTA :)20:31
dobeyjaywink: because a) that breaks updates and b) / is not the full available space on the phone's flash. also, a chroot is not a hack. it is the correct way to be installing additional command line tools or running an ftp server on your phone20:33
jaywinkdobey, how does it break updates? does apt-get dist-upgrade not bring (at least) the changes that OTA "Ubuntu" would? As an ubuntu desktop + server user, to me that is a hack if I don't have to do that on my desktop/server to manage my system20:36
dobeythe writable-image stuff is for making developing and testing the image itself easier, not something people should use on actual phones20:36
jaywinkdobey, great, I love developing and testing :)20:36
dobeyjaywink: you don't get updates at all. apt-get dist-upgrade will break because there isn't enough space on / to continue doing it, and the way the filesystem is set up, cross-device links break things20:37
dobeyapt-get upgrade is not at all supported, even with writable-image, on the phone20:37
dobeyapt should only be used to install single packages from eg, a silo, to test things20:37
jaywinkah, that is a shame :(20:38
dobeyand indeed, apt-get does not pull in all the updates that might be in an OTA image update20:38
dobeyit's not a shame, it's a fact20:38
jaywinkwill the same be applied to desktops in the future, I mean, otherwise it's not really convergence?20:38
dobeyUbuntu Personal will be system-image based, yes20:39
dobeybut the traditional ubuntu won't be going away20:39
dobeywell, i don't know how exactly system-image and snappy will fit together, but Ubuntu Personal is the future20:40
dobeyconvergence doesn't mean enabling apt on phones, despite what many old hat thinkers might want :)20:41
jaywinkdobey, well, for the old hats it does :P20:42
jaywinkbut yeah, you can't please everybody, I realize that. For me, a completely hackable device is what I want.20:43
dobeywell, then they can break their phones and have it open to huge gaping security holes and whatnot if they want20:43
dobeymost people who have cell phones want phones, not VAX terminals ;)20:44
jaywinkyep :) freedom to do what one wants20:44
dobeybut still20:44
jaywinksure. but pleasing most people shouldn't mean stopping the minority ;) but as said, I realize the technical decision made20:45
dobeyif you want to make the best use of your ubuntu phone by installing random things via apt, the best way to do that, is in a chroot20:45
dobeynothing is stopping you20:45
dobeylike i said, it breaks updates20:45
jaywinkthanks for your time20:45
dobeyyou are welcome to make a choice to break updates, or to use a chroot and keep getting updates as well as having what you want via apt20:46
dobeyfwiw, legacy application support will be provided via container as well.20:47
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jgdxfaenil, but did we set both? Thanks for looking into it21:00
slashhello, i need advice, could you please tell me how to start an app from the terminal ?21:35
jgdxslash, $ ubuntu-app-launch is one way21:38
slashthanks jgdx, unfortunatly i do not succeed with your way; two warning appear about unable to find a keyfile...21:46
jgdxslash, what app?21:49
slashwhen I'm launching it just by the bin path; he gave me a "fail to connect to mir server321:51
slashI found a bug at the connection; doens't accept the password; I would like to see the debug to send the report to the owner21:52
slashI found a command to suppress the mir connection failure, how ever the app start nicely in terminal but without gui.... :/ so block when any action from me21:53
jgdxslash, I'm a bit rusty on these things. Maybe #ubuntu-app-devel has more info right now.21:55
jgdxslash, but how did you run ubuntu-app-launch?21:56
jgdxpretty sure you'd need a click id, not a name or binary21:58
slashok thanks22:00
slashcopy pasting from the touch terminal isn't straigth forward :D22:01
slash(process:13833): WARNING **: Unable to find keyfile for application '/opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.kodimote/current/kodimote'  ** (process:13833): WARNING **: Unable to find keyfile for application '/opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.kodimote/current/kodimote'22:01
slashand nothing more append...22:02
mzanettislash, try adding "-- --desktop_file_hint=/home/phablet/.local/share/applications/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.kodimote_..destkop"22:03
slashHa ha great, hello mzanetti22:04
mzanettislash, hello :) I assume you're the one that wrote the email22:07
slashyes :) , m'I correct : "ubuntu-app-launch /opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.kodimote/current/kodimote -- --desktop_file_hint=/home/phablet/.local/share/applications/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.kodimote_kodimote_2.1.2.2.desktop" ?22:11
mzanettioh, I see, you're using ubuntu-app launch22:11
slashI still have the same keyfile missing...22:11
dobeyslash: "ubuntu-app-launch com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.kodimote"22:12
dobeyerr, actually22:12
mzanettiyes, in that case, no need for the desktop_file_hint hack22:12
dobeyslash: "ubuntu-app-launch com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.kodimote_kodimote_2.1.2.2"22:12
dobeyyou do need the full app id22:12
mzanettithanks dobey :)22:12
dobeynp :)22:12
slashok thanks, i'm able to launch the app now22:17
slashhowever I don't get any output, even with "ubuntu-app-launch com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.kodimote_kodimote_2.1.2.2 -d connection", any idea ?22:18
mzanettislash, output will be written to ~/.cache/upstart/application-click-<appid>.log22:18
dobeyslash: you can't pass arguments to the app with ubuntu-app-launch like that22:20
dobeyyou need to run "/opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.kodimote/current/kodimote --desktop_file_hint=/home/phablet/.local/share/applications/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.kodimote_kodimote_2.1.2.2.desktop -d connection" to do that22:21
slashOk thanks mzanetti and dobey, for the information I got the log22:21
slashok i've to wrote it, these to command :)22:22
mzanettislash, I'm not sure if you can pass arguments to the app when using ubuntu-app-launch. I usually do what dobey said. no ubuntu-app-launch but instead with the --desktop_file_hint one.22:23
mzanettiiirc kodimote should print in its first lines if it picked up some parameter22:23
mzanettiwell, if it worked, you'll see a lot more output prefixed with "Connection"22:23
slashIt's the first time i'm pulling out log from touch :)22:24
slashok i'll try and if it work you'll get a bug report:) thanks22:24
slashOk when writing "ubuntu-app-launch /opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.kodimote/current/kodimote -- --desktop_file_hint=/home/phablet/.local/share/applications/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.kodimote_kodimote_2.1.2.2.desktop"22:27
mzanettino ubuntu-app-launch in this case22:28
dobeyand no -- to pass args to child app22:28
dobeyi don't think anyway22:28
dobeyi could be wrong about that one, but i'm pretty sure you just pass --desktop_file_hint directly22:29
slashsorry my mistake I paste the wrong line22:30
slash"/opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.kodimote/current/kodimote —desktop_file_hint=/home/phablet/.local/share/applications/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.kodimote_kodimote_2.1.2.2.desktop -d connection"22:30
slashI got22:30
slashLoading module: 'libubuntu_application_api_touch_mirclient.so.3.0.0' /opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.kodimote/current/kodimote: invalid option -- 'd' UbuntuClientIntegration: connection to Mir server failed. Check that a Mir server is running, and the correct socket is being used and is accessible. The shell may have rejected the incoming connection, so check its log file Aborted (core dumped)22:30
mzanettion sec, looking up something22:31
dobeyslash: oh, remove the "-d connection" then22:31
mzanettidobey, the -d connection is the reason why he wants to do this22:31
slashok without I got an output, I though -d connection was able to extract even more dedication to the connection22:32
dobeymzanetti: is that an option your app handles?22:32
mzanetti/opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.kodimote/current/kodimote -d connection --  —desktop_file_hint=/home/phablet/.local/share/applications/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.kodimote_kodimote_2.1.2.2.desktop22:32
mzanettidobey, kodimote22:32
mzanettislash, try changing the order and separating them with "--" as in my line above22:33
slashmy command : /opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.kodimote/current/kodimote -d connection —  —desktop_file_hint=/home/phablet/.local/share/applications/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.kodimote_kodimote_2.1.2.2.desktop22:35
mzanettiyes... this looks ok. just tried it, works here22:35
slashLoading module: 'libubuntu_application_api_touch_mirclient.so.3.0.0' /opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.kodimote/current/kodimote: invalid option -- 'd' UbuntuClientIntegration: connection to Mir server failed. Check that a Mir server is running, and the correct socket is being used and is accessible. The shell may have rejected the incoming connection, so check its log file Aborted (core dumped)22:35
slashit does not :/22:35
mzanettiindeed, yours doesn't (there must be a typo)22:36
mzanettiyou seem to have a different character for "-"22:36
slashi'm doing copy/paste...22:36
mzanetti-- vs —22:37
slashhum correct22:37
slashI got an output now in the terminal, can i write down the output in a log file by "/opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.kodimote/current/kodimote -d connection --  --desktop_file_hint=/home/phablet/.local/share/applications/com.ubuntu.developer.mzanetti.kodimote_kodimote_2.1.2.2.desktop > logfile" ?22:41
mzanettishould work I guess22:41
slashFYI the typo comes from copy past between firefox - telegram / telegram - terminal :)22:42
mzanettislash, add this "> foo.log 2>&1"22:42
mzanettislash, you might want to enable ssh ;)22:42
mzanettion the phone22:42
slashYes but can I run the app from ssh connection and the gui stay in the phone ?22:43
slashAh yes it's working...22:44
slashawsome !!! a new dimension22:44
slashmzanetti:  do you want in parallel the output of xbmcremote ?22:46
mzanettislash, I think kodimote should be enough22:46
slashok thanks for your help, bye22:47
mzanettiyw. thanks for the bug report22:49
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