[00:00] <daftykins> hylian: no /dev is mounted to /mnt/dev
[00:00] <BlastRed> Thanks for the help anyway!
[00:00] <daftykins> hylian: sorry but i think you need to back up, sounds like none of this was followed quite correctly.
[00:00] <Jordan_U> daftykins: I actually disagree, as the solutions to any of the hardware problems (that affect the operation of Ubuntu) are specific to Ubuntu.
[00:00] <hylian> daftykins: it is specialty mounted. folders are block bsg bus char, etc.
[00:00] <daftykins> Jordan_U: i'm talking about the physical drive swap part.
[00:00] <daftykins> we just got asked which is the HDD...
[00:01] <daftykins> hylian: sorry i'm giving up, what you just said makes no sense
[00:01] <Bashing-om> BlastRed: I was goofing off .. lemme catch up .
[00:01] <Jordan_U> daftykins: Ahh, yes I missed that. That is indeed for ##hardwre.
[00:02] <hylian> daftykins: it IS mounted to /mnt/dev, as you requested, so I am asking what to do next, ok? (sorry i f I am unclear)\
[00:04] <daftykins> i don't have much confidence in this right now.
[00:04] <hylian> daftykins: please, continue
[00:04] <daftykins> no because all of this is pointless if you did anything earlier wrong
[00:04] <mcornstu> Has anyone had success getting Ubuntu (any version) on a Lenovo 100S?
[00:04] <mcornstu> The 32-bit Baytrail UEFI is killing me
[00:05] <hylian> daftykins: i followed your instructions, everything is mounted, please for the love of god dont leave me hanging now
[00:05] <HackerII> he does things like that.
[00:05] <daftykins> that's a complete lie, HackerII
[00:06] <daftykins> hylian: you can try "update-initramfs -u" but i think you did something wrong.
[00:07] <cblake> How to enforce a certain device driver for a certain sound card ?!
[00:07] <daftykins> blacklist the alternative perhaps
[00:07] <OerHeks> mcornstu, 32 bit uefi ... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI  nt sure it can be done
[00:08] <daftykins> mcornstu OerHeks - yeah i remember seeing a workaround on the bug tracker
[00:08] <brack9> What does it mean when an interface in /etc/network/interfaces has the suffix "sX" where X is an integer?
[00:08] <mcornstu> Thanks! This thing is driving me nuts
[00:09] <mcornstu> I can boot into grub, but I am stuck at a grub prompt
[00:09] <daftykins> brack9: so what are you seeing in full?
[00:09] <mcornstu> the installer doesnt fire for e
[00:09] <brack9> daftykins: eth0s1
[00:09] <OerHeks> mcornstu, install in legacy/bios mode
[00:10] <daftykins> hylian: so did you run it or did HackerII run off with you in a PM to give you bad advice...
[00:10] <mcornstu> I dont think the 100s has a legacy bios
[00:10] <mcornstu> pretty sure its straight EFI
[00:11] <daftykins> mcornstu: did you see http://askubuntu.com/questions/392719/32-bit-uefi-boot-support ?
[00:11] <hylian> daftykins: update-initramfs -u says "disabled since running on read only media". I have run this command from the normal hd, but
[00:12] <daftykins> hylian: so you mean you're no longer booted into the live session?
[00:12] <hylian> daftykins: no i mean i am, since my usb is read only.
[00:13] <daftykins> you need to be running this command from inside the chroot, so you've done something wrong as i suggested
[00:13] <hylian> daftykins: ok. hmmm
[00:14] <daftykins> the guide i gave you wasn't that great, perhaps you should reboot and start again
[00:16] <Jordan_U> daftykins: It seems that booting from a liveCD/USB then chrooting is a lot of extra work when hylian can apparently easily boot their installed system (by manually mounting /dev/sda1 then exiting the initramfs shell, allowing boot to continue normally).
[00:17] <daftykins> i debated that, but chose not to pursue it that way
[00:17] <daftykins> you're welcome to steer it that way if you fancy, i feel i got lied to in place of being asked for more detailed help so i don't fancy wasting more time
[00:19] <hylian> daftykins: /quit
[00:20] <Jordan_U> mcornstu: Have you already installed Ubuntu or are you still trying to get the installer to boot?
[00:23] <akkad> https://github.com/ion1/workaround-upstart-snafu wow is upstart really this fragile?
[00:25] <OerHeks> akkad, old post, still valid?
[00:25] <akkad> running into it right now :P
[00:26] <caveman> hi - is wubi.exe discontinued? :(
[00:26] <Jordan_U> !wubi | caveman
[00:26] <caveman> Jordan_U, i don't have cd drive...
[00:27] <Glamdring> This is kind of a silly question, but what is radeonsi_dri.so? I tried Googling this, and as usual, my Google fu is awful and isn't telling me much.
[00:27] <OerHeks> cddrive does not take you fas, the isos are too big to fit on cd
[00:27] <OerHeks> fas-far
[00:27] <OerHeks> caveman, use an usb or sdcard
[00:27] <caveman> ok
[00:28] <akkad> https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/406397 still an issue on lts :[
[00:28] <Guest52742> ola
[00:28] <Jordan_U> caveman: OK, then your options (in order of ease of use) are: USB drive, netboot, install on another machine and transfer the HD over, load from Windows' bootloader via ntldr-image and loop boot Ubuntu's install image from an iso on your ntfs partition using the toram kernel parameter.
[00:29] <v3rt190> hi
[00:30] <caveman> Jordan_U, thank you. i will usb stick it
[00:30] <Jordan_U> akkad: The workaroud you posted should work, as ugly as it is, and to prevent the problem in the future you just have to write your upstart jobs appropriately.
[00:31] <Jordan_U> caveman: You're welcome.
[00:31] <akkad> makes sense.
[00:31] <akkad> fork bomb and hope there is no pid reuse. :P
[00:32] <isReKT2000> !insall
[00:32] <isReKT2000> !install
[00:34] <Jordan_U> akkad: Not quite a fork bomb as all of the children die quickly, and you're banking on the fact that the PID *will* be re-used by one of the children. (And if it's already been re-used by a process not created by the script, the script will offer to kill that process for you).
[00:34] <mib_mib> hi all, i have a machine with 2x480GB SSDs and 2x960GB SSDs - i want this to be a database server, and am wondering what RAID anyone would recommend here?
[00:35] <akkad> beyond words
[00:37] <Jordan_U> akkad: There's a reason that Ubuntu switched to systemd :) But this channel is for help with support questions, not for complaining about problems (however frustrating they are).
[00:37] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: Does AppArmor (or whatever it is called) come with Ubuntu 14.04 LTS?
[00:37] <Jordan_U> VictoriaXOXO: Yes.
[00:37] <akkad> no complaints
[00:38] <VictoriaXOXO> Jordan_U: How do I find it? :/
[00:38] <Glamdring> This is kind of a silly question, but what is radeonsi_dri.so? I tried Googling this, and as usual, my Google fu is awful and isn't telling me much. I ask because one of my Linux-native games won't start, hits a segmentation fault, and this is part of the error.
[00:38] <Jordan_U> VictoriaXOXO: I'm not sure what you're expecting to "find". What is your end goal?
[00:38] <OerHeks> sudo apparmor_status
[00:38]  * akkad notes Jordan_U is the sort of retard that leads to this sort of acceptance of horribly thought out code. no wonder it's all going to hell
[00:39] <daftykins> mib_mib: i don't really find that SSD configuration suitable for solely a db server at all o0
[00:39] <daftykins> mib_mib: what kind of db will it be?
[00:39] <VictoriaXOXO> Jordan_U: There's no GUI settings I can look at?
[00:40] <daftykins> VictoriaXOXO: what are you trying to achieve?
[00:41] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: I just want to look at it.
[00:41] <daftykins> like you would a painting?
[00:42] <VictoriaXOXO> :P
[00:42] <VictoriaXOXO> Well, I can use gufw to look at my ufw settings. No GAppArmor for AppArmor?
[00:45] <OerHeks> There is no gui for apparmor.
[00:45] <VictoriaXOXO> :(
[00:58] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: Are there any versions of Ubuntu (with a GUI/DE) that fits on a 700MB CD? I don't care about applications other than GParted and Firefox.
[00:58] <daftykins> lubuntu i think
[00:58] <SirLagz> VictoriaXOXO: why not just get the gparted livecd?
[00:58] <VictoriaXOXO> SirLagz: I need access to sites with Firefox.
[00:58] <VictoriaXOXO> Lubuntu? Hmm.
[00:59] <daftykins> joining the 21st century and picking up a flash drive would also be good; very few still use optical media to boot their live sessions
[00:59] <SirLagz> VictoriaXOXO: out of curiosity, why firefox? is some site built so that it only works in firefox?
[00:59] <OerHeks> lubuntu & server & mini iso.
[00:59] <daftykins> i just picked up a packet of 4 x 8GB USB 2.0 for 8 GBP.
[00:59]  * OerHeks dropped firefox last year
[01:00] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Mine are all full. ;)
[01:00] <VictoriaXOXO> SirLagz: No, but what browser does the GParted Live CD use?
[01:00] <SirLagz> VictoriaXOXO: netsurf
[01:00] <daftykins> so get another... i hope none of that is backup data
[01:00] <SirLagz> VictoriaXOXO: http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
[01:00] <VictoriaXOXO> SirLagz: Hmm.
[01:01] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: OerHeks: Lubuntu 14.04 will NOT fit. Not even with compression thing.
[01:01] <VictoriaXOXO> 736(?)MB.
[01:01] <daftykins> that'll go fine with overburn
[01:01] <OerHeks> lubuntu will fit
[01:01] <VictoriaXOXO> I just tried.
[01:01] <daftykins> i have done this exact thing myself a couple of weeks ago :)
[01:01] <VictoriaXOXO> Won't let me.
[01:02] <daftykins> then your software either doesn't support overburn or your media is terrible
[01:02] <VictoriaXOXO> With a 700MB CD?
[01:02] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Probably terrible. Nothing even more lightweight than Lubuntu?
[01:02] <daftykins> yes, overburn writes further than it's claimed to hold, my discs actually came up as larger than 700 based on the manufacturer data embedded at the start which my software read
[01:02] <daftykins> smaller image, nothing to do with lightweight
[01:02] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: That's what I meant.
[01:03] <Jordan_U> VictoriaXOXO: Why is using a CD a requirement, rather than a USB drive?
[01:03] <VictoriaXOXO> Jordan_U: Got lots of CDs, but all my USB sticks are being used.
[01:03] <OerHeks> lubuntu 14.04 32 bit 683M - 64 bit  694M and
[01:04] <daftykins> copy the data off... :P
[01:04] <VictoriaXOXO> Screw it. I'll go with Lubuntu x86.
[01:05] <VictoriaXOXO> OerHeks: daftykins: WTF?! Lubuntu shows up even BIGGER in Transmission?!
[01:05] <VictoriaXOXO> I meant Lubuntu x86.
[01:05] <VictoriaXOXO> Shows up bigger than x64.
[01:05] <daftykins> inappropriate language for here, btw
[01:05] <VictoriaXOXO> WTF = What The Fudge.
[01:05] <daftykins> skip the excuses and just be nice :)
[01:06] <VictoriaXOXO> OerHeks: Where did you find Lubuntu 683MB?
[01:06] <isReKT2000> ;)
[01:06] <OerHeks> Megabyte, Megabit, whatever those fools do now, 1 mb = 1000
[01:06] <isReKT2000> bytes
[01:06] <isReKT2000> 1000 bytes
[01:07] <OerHeks> I am not responsible for the confusion, file a bugreport :-P
[01:07] <VictoriaXOXO> OerHeks: Just tell me where you found the 683MB version. ;)
[01:07] <VictoriaXOXO> I'll use that one.
[01:07] <OerHeks> 14,04
[01:07] <OerHeks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.04/release/
[01:08] <VictoriaXOXO> OerHeks: Where do you see 683MB there? :/
[01:09] <OerHeks> yeah, take an other look, it is there
[01:09] <VictoriaXOXO> OerHeks: And that is WITH a DE?
[01:09] <OerHeks> ctrl + f: 683
[01:09] <daftykins> the page tells you exactly what the files come with
[01:09] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: "standard edition"?
[01:09] <VictoriaXOXO> = LXDE?
[01:10]  * daftykins points at the page
[01:10] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: It doesn't say.
[01:10] <VictoriaXOXO> :/
[01:10] <OerHeks> 14.04.3 is 716M , should fit too
[01:10] <daftykins> so use your favourite search engine, you can't expect us to cover every single one of your basic queries
[01:10] <VictoriaXOXO> :s
[01:14] <Jordan_U> VictoriaXOXO: It seems like your best options woudl be to use a different distribution (that makes CD sized images) or use a USB drive (you don't need to get rid of any of the existing content on your USB drives to add live Ubuntu to them, as long as they have enough free space).
[01:15] <Simba_> how do i unload ubuntu server from a desktop and use an old server as the server?
[01:15] <OerHeks> Simba_, reinstall ?
[01:16] <VictoriaXOXO> Jordan_U: I found something that'll work. All my USB sticks are fully encrypted and stuffed away.
[01:16] <OerHeks> there is no downgrade
[01:17] <Simba_> Or should i say, where should i go to get this information
[01:18] <daftykins> Simba_: what exactly do you mean by 'unload' ? why not just install the desktop on this server if you want it to run desktop ubuntu?
[01:20] <Simba_> i mean to uninstall ubuntu fro  the desktop, reformat it as it is running windows 7, and use it as a workstation.  does that make sense
[01:21] <daftykins> this desktop is already dual booting 7 + ubuntu?
[01:22] <OerHeks> Simba_, insert your windows cd, repair windows 7, and finally remove non-windows partitions
[01:22] <OerHeks> http://askubuntu.com/questions/133533/how-to-remove-ubuntu-and-put-windows-back-on
[01:23] <Simba_> yes it is running both in tandem, and the problem is swapping from one os to the other
[01:23] <daftykins> as above then :>
[01:25] <Simba_> daftykins, where should i start?
[01:26] <songyq> hello,guys
[01:26] <daftykins> Simba_: creating windows 7 boot media
[01:26] <daftykins> Simba_: you'll need to ask over in ##windows how to restore your bootloader to normal, or look up a guide
[01:27] <Simba_> the problem of reloading windows is that i think, if i am not wrong, that users dont keep, or know where their original program disks are
[01:31] <Simba_> daftykins, and OerHeks, thanks for the help.
[01:33] <tachyondecay> I'm running 14.04 right now, and in the next couple of days I'm getting a shiny new laptop and putting 15.10 on it. I know I can get a list of all my installed packages and use that to quickly download/install stuff onto the new computer, and similarly copy over my config files. But there's a lot of stuff I probably don't need/use. Are there any more nuanced options than all "all or nothing" approach?
[01:33] <Troy^> anyone here use ubuntu on there macbook pros? and what is the battery life like?
[01:34] <nirux> Troy , I use Ubuntu on a laptop if that matters at all.
[01:34] <Troy^> not it's strictly battery life related to the macbook
[01:35] <Jordan_U> Troy^: There are many different models of macbook pro, each with varying hardware and levels of support in drivers available in Ubuntu. I would be highly surprised if anyone else in the channel and awake right now had the same exact hardware as you.
[01:35] <nirux> As Jordan said. I can only tell you of my experience.
[01:35] <nirux> best thing with linux is to try it out and make your own opinion.
[01:35] <Jordan_U> Troy^: You should be able to get a good idea of the battery life from running via LiveUSB before installing.
[01:36] <Troy^> Jordan_U: never thought about that good idea, thanks. :)
[01:36] <daftykins> usually the mac issues are worse than battery life
[01:36] <daftykins> !mac
[01:36] <Jordan_U> Troy^: You're welcome :)
[01:36] <daftykins> Troy^: the above info can be useful if you identify your model, too
[01:37] <nirux> do macs have UEFI?
[01:37] <Jordan_U> nirux: No, they have EFI.
[01:37] <roberto> hey
[01:37] <nirux> Hello.
[01:38] <TheSov2> is there a way to do an include on a hosts file?
[01:40] <Yuken> Just looking on how to make a new .zip file & add files to it from the terminal. WOuld look it up, but my things are being wonky and IRC Is all I can access.
[01:41] <Jordan_U> Yuken: What is your end goal? For archiving files and sharing them with other GNU/Linux users tar.xz files are generally better than .zip files (in both amount of compression and features).
[01:42] <nirux> try doing (zip file.zip foldername)
[01:42] <Yuken> Jordan_U, bringing it on to a Windows PC that can only access .zip. Although, I do not know how to add files to any sort of tar format, as well - that could be handy info.
[01:43] <Jordan_U> Yuken: Generally you don't "add" files to an archive, you simply create archives from directories.
[01:43] <daftykins> plenty of archive managers that handle tar on Windows
[01:43] <nirux>  Do ( tar -cvf name.tar /foldername ) for tar.
[01:43] <nirux> I don't think he has a Windows Partition.
[01:44] <ojal8> hello everyone! while creating a partition table, should I select msdos or gpt?
[01:45] <Yuken> Jordan_U, that is actually what I'm asking, sorry for saying it improperly. Sleeeeeepppyyyyy.
[01:45] <Yuken> nirux, I will check those commands out. Thanks.
[01:47] <daftykins> ojal8: is this to be the only disk in the system? will ubuntu be the only OS?
[01:47] <ojal8> daftykins, it is not a system drive
[01:48] <cdk_> is the a way to convert tar balls to .deb packages or no?
[01:48] <nirux> cdk_. Convert tars to debian packages?
[01:48] <Jordan_U> cdk_: Short answer: No
[01:48] <Ben64> not exactly
[01:49] <nirux> I'm not exactly sure, but i think Ubucompilator does that.
[01:50] <cdk_> ok are they too different in structure?
[01:50] <Jordan_U> cdk_: Longer answer: If you have a source package that uses a standard build system, *and* you have already installed all of the needed build and runtime dependencies, then you can create a *non-standard* *not of high enough quality to distribute* .deb file from said source package using checkinstall.
[01:50] <Jordan_U> cdk_: What is your end goal?
[01:51] <Jordan_U> cdk_: A tar file can contain any structure, and is often used for things other than software.
[01:52] <ojal8> this article seems to be in favor of GPT: http://www.howtogeek.com/193669/whats-the-difference-between-gpt-and-mbr-when-partitioning-a-drive/
[01:52] <cdk_> i was just curios because the only way i know to install tar balls is through command line and i find it easier to install .deb's because i have the GDebi program and it is as simple as open with gdebi and click install
[01:53] <ojal8> I had plenty of troubles with disk utility lately, and the partitions were MBR. now I'd like to know if GPT is the better choice, and maybe with gparted
[01:53] <daftykins> cdk_: you should be finding packages in repos really, instead of obtaining debs manually - that's unwise.
[01:53] <Jordan_U> ojal8: Use GPT unless you have a compelling reason not to.
[01:53] <cdk_> also why is it that when i right click i have no optoin to open terminal here as root or open folder here as root?
[01:54] <daftykins> ojal8: you never replied
[01:54] <ojal8> Jordan_U, and should I use gparted? can I trust that it wont let down like disk utility did?
[01:54] <ojal8> daftykins, sure I did.
[01:54] <nirux> gparted should be fine.
[01:55] <Jordan_U> ojal8: What problems have you been having specifically? Most "problems" people have with partitioning utilities are either due to user misunderstanding, having used buggy tools in the past, or dying hardware. GPT won't help with most of those problems.
[01:55] <cdk_> daftykins: my deb files are from like nvidia and are all proprietary sodtware directly from the creater or manufacturere of the package/hardware
[01:55] <Troy^> daftykins: btw, that link is way out of date
[01:55] <daftykins> Troy^: what link
[01:56] <ojal8> Jordan_U, my problem couldnt have been cleared yet. I talked about it various times on various platforms. the luks partitions were deleted right after I created them
[01:56] <Troy^> daftykins: mac link
[01:56] <daftykins> Troy^: oh the mac one, no it's a wiki... it contains only versions that someone has written...
[01:56] <daftykins> so it depends on the model.
[01:56] <Troy^> ik but im saying it's out of date lol
[01:56] <daftykins> cdk_: graphics drivers are the #1 that shouldn't be downloaded manually
[01:56] <Jordan_U> ojal8: Have you done a S.M.A.R.T. check of the drive recently?
[01:56] <Troy^> by like 3 years+
[01:57] <cdk_> Jordan_U: thanks for clearing that up for me
[01:57] <daftykins> Troy^: would've made more sense if you said "my model is #,# and only ubuntu release ... is covered"
[01:57] <ojal8> Jordan_U, you mean the HDD (because the affected drives were externally connected, not HDD)
[01:57] <cdk_> daftykins: ok and why is that?
[01:57] <ojal8> =
[01:57] <ojal8> ?
[01:57] <daftykins> cdk_: because manual nvidia installs can break on kernel update; using manually obtained debs shows a misunderstanding of how package management works
[01:57] <ojal8> I presume you mean HDD, as SMART test applies not to external devices, as far as I know
[01:58] <Jordan_U> ojal8: I mean a S.M.A.R.T. check of whatever drive you were having trouble repartitioning.
[01:58] <Jordan_U> ojal8: Some USB enclosures support S.M.A.R.T. pass through.
[01:58] <ojal8> Jordan_U, one of them, yes. I used badblocks and it proved ok
[01:58] <cdk_> daftykins: ok so just use the ones in additoinal drivers?
[01:58] <daftykins> cdk_: depending on release and nvidia card, yeah
[01:59] <ojal8> Jordan_U, but I can tell you that it happened on a brand new drive, too
[01:59] <nirux> irrelevant conversations. What kernel version are you guys running?
[01:59] <ojal8> Jordan_U, partition created, data saved on it, and locked, unplugged. next time plugged in, partition 'unknown'
[01:59] <cdk_> daftykins: why is it that when i right click i have no optoin to open terminal here as root and no optoin to open folder as root?
[01:59] <daftykins> and for software - you should always use in order: 1) what's built into different repos or 2) PPAs you trust; only after that should you 3) obtain debs or worse still... 4) compile
[02:00] <daftykins> cdk_: probably because the OS hasn't been designed to mind-read
[02:00] <daftykins> nirux: why does that matter...
[02:00] <daftykins> we could all be on different distros / releases.
[02:01] <cdk_> daftykins: is there a way to make it have that optoin like something to install or?
[02:02] <Jordan_U> ojal8: Please try to reproduce the problem with GParted, and save the output of "sudo parted -l" at every step (before using GParted, after using Gparted but before disconnecting the drive, again after disconnecting and re-connecting the drive).
[02:02] <ojal8> Jordan_U, but I can only reproduce it with gnome disk utility, because this was the tool that I used while all the problems occured
[02:03] <daftykins> cdk_: well you can run nautilus with gksu/gksudo to have it with root permissions; but i suspect based on the package talk you're planning on doing something inadvisable...
[02:03] <ojal8> Jordan_U, so should I use gnome disk utility again and note every step as you described?
[02:04] <Jordan_U> ojal8: OK, then see if you can reproduce the problem with gnome disk utility again. Also make sure that you're ejecting (rather than just unmounting) the drive before removing it.
[02:04] <cdk_> ok in a terminal the sudo.... works but i wish the open folder as root was available
[02:04] <adrian_1908> hello. Is fglrx compatible with GNOME3? If not, would a manually installed version from AMD's website be?
[02:05] <nirux> It doesn't matter. That's why it's irrelevant conversation.
[02:05] <Jordan_U> adrian_1908: fglrx normally works fine with GNOME Shell. What problem are you having specifically?
[02:06] <Jordan_U> nirux: Please keep offtopic discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic .
[02:06] <ojal8> Jordan_U, sure. the latter was also symptomatic of some irregularity. because when all partitions were unmounted and locked, and used the disk utility feature 'power off' to remove the drive, the application window closed. and this keeps happening occasionally since.
[02:06] <jwisbell35> Adrian if you are using 15.10 fglrx still doesnt work with the new kernel. Still hasnt been fixed.
[02:06] <nirux> ah, my bad.
[02:06] <ojal8> like it happens when a program crashes
[02:07] <cdk_> daftykins: ok in terminal the sudo.... works but wish i had the optoin for open folder/terminal here as root
[02:07] <adrian_1908> Jordan_U: none, i haven't even tried fglrx yet. For some reason I was convinced the proprietary driver didn't support it (something related to EGL).
[02:07] <ojal8> also another irregularity was that it was taking ages to unmount a partition, in a few times never to happen
[02:07] <daftykins> cdk_: do not run nautilus with sudo.
[02:08] <Jordan_U> adrian_1908: You're thinking of Wayland, which is entirely separate.
[02:08] <jwisbell35> It works on 15.04 but on 15.10 you have to downgrade the kernel for it to work.
[02:08] <cdk_> daftykins: ok will not do that but you do understand what i am wanting right?
[02:09] <adrian_1908> Jordan_U: Right, I'm still on Xorg. Glad to hear if that'll work for a while longer.
[02:09] <adrian_1908> jwisbell35: Yes good point.
[02:09] <daftykins> cdk_: yes but wanting root disk access is what's concerning me... when does this come up?
[02:10] <adrian_1908> Is kernel a kernel downgrade fairly trivial? I badly need fglrx for an application that never handled the open source driver well.
[02:10] <jwisbell35> Not too bad. But i would read up on itt alot first.
[02:10] <Jordan_U> adrian_1908: Xorg will continue to work for many years to come, fglrx should be supporting Wayland soon, and hopefully when the transition to Wayland by default does happen in the future it will be seamless enough that you don't even notice it if you're not specifically looking for it :)
[02:10] <adrian_1908> sorry for the typos, I'm tired :o
[02:11] <Jordan_U> adrian_1908: You don't need to downgrade your kernel.
[02:12] <cdk_> when i want to open a folder as root because i want to modify a doc or config file or syst file but need root acess
[02:12] <scott_11> Jordan_U: what is the best way to run fglrx on 15.10?
[02:13] <cdk_> daftykins:    when i want to open a folder as root because i want to modify a doc or config file or syst file but need root access
[02:14] <Jordan_U> adrian_1908: scott_11: Looking into it more, there does indeed seem to be an issue with fglrx and Ubuntu 15.10 that I wasn't aware of.
[02:14] <jwisbell35> :)
[02:15] <Ben64> cdk_: you shouldn't need to edit system files very often. when you do, use sudo
[02:16] <jwisbell35> Jordan: Its not an actual kernel issue but something with the newer gcc I think. But downgrading pulls in the correct compilers for it.
[02:16] <daftykins> Ben64: the problem is the desire to do so graphically i think
[02:16] <cdk_> Ben64::  kk i just prefer the quicker and shorter way
[02:16] <daftykins> cdk_: something wrong with using the terminal and text editors?
[02:17] <cdk_> daftykins:: no.........  i just prefer the quicker and shorter way
[02:17] <daftykins> k
[02:17] <Ben64> how is anything quicker and shorter than "sudo nano file"
[02:18] <jwisbell35> I sudo abiword filename everything through terminal. Not a fan of nano.
[02:18] <daftykins> jwisbell35: using GUI apps with sudo is a very bad idea
[02:19] <jwisbell35> I know but been doing it forever. Habit.
[02:19] <Ben64> 'gksu gedit file' if you like gui, still easy
[02:20] <cdk_> Ben64: daftykins: thank you both for your exemplary help
[02:20] <cdk_> gottogo.....>>><>
[02:21] <jwisbell35> Ben: Whats the difference between gksu and sudo? Opens the same either way.
[02:22] <Ben64> you said you know running gui stuff with sudo is bad, running gui stuff with gksu is the right way to do it
[02:22] <daftykins> jwisbell35: defending something with 'i always did it' = not very wise :(
[02:22] <jwisbell35> :)
[02:23] <jwisbell35> Ahh prevents files in the home directory from being owned by root.
[02:24] <tachyondecay> I'm getting a new computer and putting 15.10 on it. Currently running 14.04 on this computer. Aside from copying _everything_ or manually figuring out what I want, are there any more nuanced options to setting up my new computer?
[02:24] <Ben64> tachyondecay: depends what you want
[02:25] <Jordan_U> tachyondecay: None that I can think of.
[02:25] <tachyondecay> I feel like I'd prefer to start "from scratch" because I have many packages installed I don't really need/use any more.
[02:26] <tachyondecay> So that's what I'll probably do. I was just wondering if there were tools or tips for streamlining that.
[02:28] <adrian_1908> tachyondecay: Consider writing down the procedure and the steps you took (and possible pitfalls). This way you'll be faster the next time you "start over".
[02:30] <tachyondecay> Sound advice
[02:31] <TJ-> tachyondecay: if you're starting from scratch, but want to copy over the existing user $HOME, I'd recommend also creating a new, fresh, user account as the primary account and only copying into it your Documents. Keep all the config files/diretories under the old $HOME separate (the .dotfiles and .dotdirs) and only copy settings over when you realise you need them.
[02:31] <tachyondecay> Also I've progressively stepped down from Unity to LXDE as software has outpaced my 8-year-old laptop
[02:31] <tachyondecay> So I kind of want to start fresh on the config end in most cases, since I feel like those settings are all messed up
[02:32] <tachyondecay> Yeah, that's what I was thinking of doing, TJ-.
[02:33] <adrian_1908> tachyondecay: You're happy with LXDE, yes? Otherwise I'd recommend XFCE; it struck me as more polished than the former and still fairly lightweight.
[02:33] <tachyondecay> Well I'm going to give stock Ubuntu 15.10 a try
[02:33] <tachyondecay> I'm not so much "happy" with LXDE as "my system is not slow as balls" on it :P
[02:34] <adrian_1908> tachyondecay: I see :P
[02:34] <friedbac> We wouldn't have this problem with terrorist if all internet was govt controlled like the mail
[02:34] <TJ-> most of the time the DE eye-candy requiring 3D acceleration is irrelevant. fine if you want to stare at a work of art but pointless for getting work done
[02:35] <tachyondecay> LXDE is serviceable, but not quite as slick. I didn't like Unity a great deal, but I feel like a lot of that was because it would chug doing simple things like opening up the menu.
[02:35] <tachyondecay> I'll give the defaults a shot, because I have just never had the hardware needed to run them properly. And then I'll try GNOME3 or XCFE or something if I want a change.
[02:36] <tachyondecay> I've used KDE in the past too and enjoyed it. And still use a bunch of KDE programs; I'm in Konversation right now. :D
[02:36] <friedbac> TJ-: true but improves user experience. Sometimes smoothness is better than speed
[02:37] <tachyondecay> My priority is a good launcher, because I prefer using the keyboard. My desktop has no shortcuts on it.
[02:37] <friedbac> I think unity and kde has gone over the top.
[02:37] <adrian_1908> I'm on GNOME3 right now for my Desktop and I'm highly impressed how well integrated it is, it looks and behaves so slick, not very Linux like if I may say.
[02:37] <daftykins> you folks discussion is most suited to #ubuntu-offtopic ; support only in here.
[02:38] <HackerII> uumate 15.01 is killer fast and pretty cool
[02:38] <adrian_1908> daftykins: ya fair enough!
[02:38] <friedbac> But it's cool they develop neat stuff TJ- daftykins was I talking to u
[02:39] <friedbac> Some people can't mind their own business
[02:39] <daftykins> friedbac: no idea what your sentence means
[02:39] <daftykins> the channel has rules - follow them :)
[02:40] <TJ-> friedbac: I've experienced the opposite; Unity actively destroyed my workflow and user experience. Unitiy's specific bug for me is no appreciation of larger workspaces - 6 large monitors and 3 GPUs here.
[02:42] <ojal8> Jordan_U, I reproduced the process.
[02:43] <ojal8> Jordan_U, maybe with a difference.
[02:43] <ojal8> I haven't saved data on them because it would take a long time
[02:44] <ojal8> oh, did Jordan_U leave?
[02:45] <Glamdring> Can somebody here please help me figure out what is radeonsi_dri.so?
[02:45] <Glamdring> I feel very silly not knowing.
[02:48] <TJ-> Glamdring: it is part of libgl1-mesa-dri:
[02:48] <TJ-> !info libgl1-mesa-dri
[02:49] <Glamdring> Thank you, TJ- !
[02:51] <Glamdring> Hrm. So I have it installed, but my game fails to load it. How does one test if it otherwise works?
[02:52] <TJ-> Glamdring: "glxinfo" from the mesa tools should help check the OpenGL setup
[02:52] <Glamdring> Excellent, thank you.
[02:52] <TJ-> !info mesa-utils | Glamdring
[03:01] <Glamdring> Strange game. The only way to win is not to play.
[03:03] <OerHeks> sure
[03:07] <SubCool> Could someone please assist me with my dropbox, i know its stupid. but its fucking up something bad.
[03:07] <SubCool> someone told me to make sure to do a proper cleanup on the files, so i did.
[03:07] <SubCool> but im a bit lost on some stuff.
[03:07] <Glamdring> So if glxinfo says I've got direct rendering, and glxgears is pretty and doesn't explode, why would my game throw this error: libGL error: unable to load driver: radeonsi_dri.so
[03:08] <OerHeks> SubCool, there is something you said, that activates my swearfilter
[03:08] <danmulvey> is there anyreason that i should or shouldnt use apt-get autoremove when it says i have things that are no longer needed?
[03:08] <SubCool> If i follow the package install, it doesnt work for me. and never loads dropbox. Last time ihad an issue with this, i got the headless version( the station is headless, and remote) - and we got it going. But- it stopped working again.
[03:08] <SubCool> SO im back to square one.
[03:09] <OerHeks> danmulvey, autoremove is safe
[03:10] <danmulvey> OerHeks: cool thanks, i just wasnt sure if i should somehow double check the packages it lists before i autoremove them and also if theres any reason id specifically want to remove them aside from just freeing up space
[03:13] <SubCool> Ok, i got to where i was last time i think. WOuld someone mind following me along for a min?
[03:13] <SubCool> at this link.. \
[03:13] <SubCool> https://www.dropbox.com/install?os=lnx
[03:14] <TJ-> Glamdring: run the game under control of strace, generate a log, check it after it throws the error. Something like "strace -o /tmp/game.log -f -e trace=file <game arg1 arg2>"
[03:14] <SubCool> there is a link to download the python script. Now last time i did this, i dont remember where i put it- i think i had to put into like /bin/local
[03:14] <SubCool> OMG !! TJ!!!!
[03:14] <SubCool> TJ-, you busy? **batts eyes**
[03:14] <Glamdring> Oh my. Okay, I'll try to do that.
[03:15] <Glamdring> The <game arg1 arg2>, I assume there's generally no required arguments, and so those are just there in case I would need them, not because there are some I need of which I'm unaware?
[03:16] <OerHeks> arg1 arg2 are options, leave it blanc if you don't use them.
[03:16] <Glamdring> Keen, thanks.
[03:17] <TJ-> SubCool: I am yes, just popping in and out
[03:18] <Glamdring> Oh, that's interesting, I hadn't seen that error before...
[03:18] <Glamdring> Frustrating and mildly preposterous, every single error I look up from this game references Steam. My copy is through GOG.
[03:18] <SubCool> TJ ok. thas cool. Have fun man. Havent talked to you in forever.
[03:19] <Glamdring> I should clarify, in fact. These are errors Steam seems to throw around, even without this game.
[03:20] <OerHeks> Steam wants the closed source ati drivers, no?
[03:21] <Glamdring> Perhaps so. Thankfully not my problem.
[03:21] <TJ-> Glamdring: ahhhh. Steam. Yes. Bad. Puppy. Nasty things it does.
[03:21] <Glamdring> Not a big fan of signing away my right to class action lawsuits, so I avoid it.
[03:23] <Glamdring> Okay. So it looks like the log says there's basically a world of "No such file or directory".
[03:23] <Glamdring> Which is odd.
[03:24] <TJ-> We had a user here last week with something very similar, and we traced it down to the way the steam scripts do stuff. It ended up being a corrupt (0 length) file installed by steam in $HOME/.steam.
[03:25] <AkaliBot> hi. when it ry to do apt-get update or use the software update center, i get 404s, ie, Err http://archive.ubuntu.com utopic/main amd64 Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.153 80] Err http://archive.ubuntu.com utopic/main
[03:25] <TJ-> Glamdring: the fix was to move the existing $HOME/.steam directory to a back-up name and let it be re-installed.
[03:25] <Glamdring> Sheesh. Granted, this isn't Steam, but it could well be much the same.
[03:25] <TJ-> AkaliBot: what release of Ubuntu "cat /etc/issue" ?
[03:25] <AkaliBot> all google results say to run apt-get update to refresh sources list, but that error happens when doing that
[03:25] <OerHeks> utopic .. is EOL
[03:26] <OerHeks> !14.04
[03:26] <AkaliBot> 10.10
[03:26] <AkaliBot> 14.19*
[03:26] <AkaliBot> goodness. 14.10
[03:26] <TJ-> !eolupgrade | AkaliBot
[03:26] <OerHeks> akalibot, upgrade please
[03:26] <AkaliBot> thank you all
[03:31] <Glamdring> Oddly, I've not seen anybody else describing the same problem. Maybe there aren't a lot of Linux users trying to run Tower Of Guns.
[03:31] <Glamdring> Or, of course, maybe my problem is unique.
[03:33] <Ghost_r00t> hi
[03:33] <Ghost_r00t> What is the kernel version on ubuntu 15.04?
[03:33] <SubCool> ok. how do i get this to work.
[03:34] <SubCool> i have less than 15 days to make this work and backup my dropbox.
[03:34] <OerHeks> Ghost_r00t, current 64 bit is 3.19.0-33-generic
[03:34] <SubCool> ive been at this for a month.
[03:34] <K3y804rDCow80Y> Hi guys
[03:35] <K3y804rDCow80Y> trying to hack my wifi but following the steps i've seen on youtube, in my terminal i run into several errors. Was wondering if anyone has any suggestions
[03:36] <OerHeks> hacking wifi is beyond the scope of this channel, k3
[03:36] <K3y804rDCow80Y> WTF?
[03:36] <K3y804rDCow80Y> Jk
[03:36] <K3y804rDCow80Y> okay arigato
[03:37] <TJ-> hacking is fine; cracking is out-of-bounds
[03:37] <TJ-> !hacking
[03:38] <K3y804rDCow80Y> another off the topic question what is the name of the website that you use to upload like a copy of your terminal?
[03:38] <macer_> what are you trying to do with your wifi? and what tool are you trying to use?
[03:38] <OerHeks> imgur.com or paste.ubuntu.com
[03:38] <macer_> pastbin
[03:38] <SubCool> ok- i just did something stupid. and i dont know how to undo it
[03:38] <K3y804rDCow80Y> that's it thanks @macer
[03:38] <TJ-> !paste | K3y804rDCow80Y
[03:39] <SubCool> i had a something named Dropbox, so i moved it to ~/bin - now its gone
[03:39] <K3y804rDCow80Y> thank you @ubottu
[03:39] <K3y804rDCow80Y> i tried using reaver?
[03:39] <K3y804rDCow80Y> it that only for Kali...
[03:39] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, no- there are a ton of videos on how to use that stuff, but there is a lot of mixing and matching.
[03:40] <SubCool> knowing the surrounding of it and hack the hacking tools helps.
[03:40] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, most of all, make sure ur nic card can do the work.
[03:40] <OerHeks> don't get hackedwith kali, lolz
[03:41] <macer_> do you have your wireless card in monitor mode?
[03:41] <cwong> hi
[03:41] <K3y804rDCow80Y> well Kali just makes it easier since it has like all the tools already installed. I tried using Kali, but man o man did I have the hardest time trying to get used to it.
[03:41] <SubCool> i tried using mine on ubuntu - its easier just to use it on kali, or-- the one previous to it.
[03:42] <macer_> I prefer nodezero
[03:42] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, yeah, its snot. but works. im about to get back into it again once i finish fixing this stupid stuff that should just work. but never does.
[03:43] <K3y804rDCow80Y> SubCool I will try to go back through the steps I tried following from this one video and i will pastebin the error message i get.
[03:44] <macer_> essentially you need to get the bssid - did you get that?
[03:44] <K3y804rDCow80Y> macer that was were i got stuck
[03:45] <OerHeks> guys, hacking wifi is beyond the scope of this channel
[03:45] <K3y804rDCow80Y> trying to find the video now.
[03:45] <OerHeks> move it to an other channel, thanks.
[03:45] <cryptz> can anyone suggest further troubleshooting i can do for a mdadm array that will not assemble at boot. i can assemble it manually without issue. dmesg shows no claim of an attempt to assemble the array. i feel as if i am missing some configuration to tell it to rebuild the array. /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf exists, but i dont think anything is trying to do the assembly at all.
[03:46] <cryptz> its ubuntu 15.10 booting in an efi env, the md array is not my boot device though
[03:46] <K3y804rDCow80Y> what would be another channel to get help on this with?
[03:47] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, i seriously referred to like 10 videos, and threw it all together. But- then my hardware was semi useless. I got done testing wep, but needed wpa. and.. that was a whole nother mess of issues.
[03:47] <Ghost_r00t> which version of ubuntu .iso uses 3.14 kernel. as there is a bug on nvidia video card from 3.15 on going till now
[03:47] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, kali has channels, there are a ton of channels.
[03:47] <Ghost_r00t> I mean nouveau
[03:47] <K3y804rDCow80Y> man those guys over there hate on ubuntu users that's why i came here LOL
[03:47] <macer_> @cryptz do you see the /de/md* device?
[03:48] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, its best to figure it out urself. THats kinda why it setup like that, and not just automatic. Understand the steps, and how to tweak it. My friend an i started making a script, but then he moved away.
[03:48] <cryptz> only if i assemble it, mdadm --assemble --scan presents the md0 device without issue, but only if i do it manually
[03:48] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, oh yea- gotta lvoe the love. -_-
[03:48] <gshmu> I want view rtf file, I'm try  Abiword, but some better?
[03:48] <K3y804rDCow80Y> SubCool i see. X)
[03:49] <SubCool> i get the same thing when i wonder around. or goto freenas for help. THey flame u for not having intel. Its rediculous. THats why i come here al ot, the guys here are usually very helpful.
[03:49] <SubCool> if they help **cough cough**
[03:49] <macer_> did you do mdadm --assemble --scan   ?
[03:49] <gshmu> and outlook auto index user, but thunderbird I can't config the LDAP?  any help
[03:49] <cryptz> @macer yes, if i run that command manually it works fine
[03:50] <JesseH> Hi, I'm trying to install ubuntu 15.04 on a mac, but the wifi isn't working. Can someone help?
[03:50] <cryptz> my boot process simply does not make the attempt to mount it from my view
[03:50] <JesseH> I have no idea where to begin with the issue, besides some things I found in the forums.
[03:50] <cryptz> if i dmesg | grep md    the only hits are statements that raid personalities 0-10 loaded
[03:51] <cryptz> no errors
[03:51] <JesseH> (installed some things, had to manually do that)
[03:51] <JesseH> I'm seeing modprobe solutions but I don't know how to use that command.
[03:51] <SubCool> Ugh- great. and now the pages i use to refer to went down. My night.
[03:52] <cryptz> @macer i am thinking that since i am not booting from a md array maybe the boot process is overlooking its existance
[03:53] <cryptz> i am just not sure where i would tell it to load mdadm and perform a scan
[03:53] <macer_> @cryptz did you check your fstab and is thit there?
[03:54] <cryptz> i didnt put it in fstab yet, and maybe this is my confusion, but my very first attempt caused the system to not boot. basically i couldnt mount /dev/md0 to /mymountpoint in fstab because /dev/md0 fails to exist at boot. this caused the system to hang during boot and i had to go into recovery mode and remove the fstab line to make the system stable again
[03:54] <whologin> sup niggas
[03:55] <whologin> oops wrong room
[03:55] <JesseH> Not to inconvenience anyone, but does anyone have any idea about my problem
[03:55] <cryptz> so maybe my thinking that /dev/md0 should exist without a fstab entry is incorrect, but i would assume the 2 are seperate esp since fstab seems to be highly relying on /dev/md0 existing
[03:55] <macer_> definitely will need it in fstab and mtab
[03:55] <TJ-> cryptz: what metadata version does the array use?
[03:55] <cryptz> 1.2
[03:56] <TJ-> cryptz: udevd should fire off the mdadm rule to assemble the array
[03:56] <cryptz> it is 3 devices, /dev/rssda1 /dev/rssdb1 /dev/rssdc1
[03:56] <TJ-> cryptz: it has nothing to do with fstab entries
[03:56] <cryptz> ok tj
[03:56] <cryptz> is that automated
[03:56] <cryptz> or should i be doing something to facilitate that
[03:57] <SubCool> is there usually a bin folder in the home directory?
[03:57] <TJ-> cryptz: during boot, as block devices are discovered, their metadata is checked and if recognised the correct tool is/should be launched
[03:57] <JesseH> Can someone help me get wifi working on a mac laptop that I'm trying to get lubuntu 15.04 installed on?
[03:57] <TJ-> SubCool: no, but if you create $HOME/bin it will be added to the $PATH at log-in
[03:57] <cryptz> so tj i created paritions on these devics and marked them of type fd that is why you see the /dev/rssda1 for example
[03:57] <TJ-> cryptz: which Ubuntu release is it?
[03:57] <cryptz> 15.10
[03:58] <cryptz> server
[03:58] <cryptz> its efi boot as well and the devices in question are pciessds so a bit from the norm however there is a guide from the manufacturer for this very purpose
[03:58] <cryptz> so it should be doable
[03:58] <SubCool> TJ-,  so what im looking at is a link to /bin
[03:58] <TJ-> cryptz: partition type has no bearing on it, that value is not used by anything other than the partiting tool to let the user indicate to other users what the purpose of the partition might be
[03:58] <SubCool> oh wow- i removed dropbox compelted, and it disappeared.
[03:59] <TJ-> SubCool: $HOME/bin should be a directory owned by the user
[03:59] <SubCool> im definitly doing something wrong.
[03:59] <cryptz> i had read that when the device is scanned if it detects a fd partition type it might kick it over to mdadm without the superblock intact, or something to that effect, but the superblock is intact and the array does assemble correctly when i manually invoke it
[03:59] <cryptz> where /what should i be looking for ini udevd
[03:59] <SubCool> no- nvm. im an idiot- its still there
[03:59] <SubCool> omg- i know what it is
[04:00] <SubCool> wtf!?
[04:00] <SubCool> - /bin is my dropbox folder..
[04:00] <TJ-> cryptz: this is why I asked which metadata version since that is what is scanned for. Now, v1.2 is stored 4KB from the start of the block device. "blkid /dev/rs*" might help confirm that metadata is being recognised
[04:00] <SubCool> ok- now i really need help.
[04:01] <SubCool> THis is way beyong me now. Ok. SO- after the install, i tried to move the Dropbox.py to /bin - with mv. WHen i did that, i mv'd /Dropbox to /bin
[04:02] <sector_0> can someone tell me why pulseaudio keep stopping?
[04:02] <JesseH> If someone could be of assistance with my issue, I'd greatly appreciate it.
[04:02] <Glamdring> So, what's PhysXUpdateLoader.so? Or, if you want to teach a man to fish, how do I figure that out?
[04:03] <TJ-> !find PhysXUpdateLoader.so
[04:03] <Glamdring> Huh. That's interesting.
[04:03] <sector_0> sometimes I'm just using my computer (listening to music) and I pause the music for a min and when I attempt to un-pause it, it just doesn't
[04:03] <sector_0> youtube videos, etc don't work either
[04:03] <SubCool> SO- now /Dropbox is /bin
[04:03] <cryptz> tj bear with me, i do see an issue but i know this is not the original problem. i had this issue last night, today i was using zfs on the devices. so at the moment the /dev/rssda parttion has a zfs type and /dev/rssda1 has a linux raid member type. i had previously secure erased the drives on my initial attempts. let me correct this but i do not believe this could be the solution since i didnt
[04:03] <cryptz> have zfs on these drives on the first go around..
[04:03] <TJ-> Glamdring: that's something specific to the application/game I think
[04:03] <Glamdring> And it, too, is apparently missing.
[04:03] <sector_0> If I restart however the sound come back until it stops randomly again
[04:04] <SubCool> when i tried to rename it back  rename bin DropBox
[04:04] <SubCool> Bareword "bin" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1.
[04:04] <sector_0> also if I log out and log back in that fixes it
[04:04] <JesseH> How do I get wireless working on a macbook pro that's running Lubuntu 15.05?
[04:04] <JesseH> 15.04*
[04:04] <Glamdring> Though Google comes up with references to it through Antichamber, either Humble Bundle version or Steam.
[04:04] <Glamdring> So, specific as it may be, at least it's not unique.
[04:04] <TJ-> cryptz: Ahhh, if the metadata of the outer container is being recognised as ZFS that could short-circuit the discovery of the MD RAID
[04:04] <sector_0> "pulseaudio -k" then "pulseaudio -D" doesn't work
[04:04] <SubCool> JesseH, wish i cuold help, but u got me. I cant even get a hackintosh to work :(
[04:04] <cryptz> makes sense but unfortunately i know that wasnt the case when i initially tried
[04:04] <sector_0> it tells me the daemon can't start
[04:05] <sector_0> I'm using ubuntu 14.04
[04:05] <OerHeks> JesseH, open terminal: lspci # and find your bcm wifi chipset, then use the bcm manual
[04:05] <OerHeks> !bcm
[04:06] <JesseH> Thanks OEP_
[04:06] <JesseH> OerHeks:***
[04:06] <SubCool> ok- i "mv"d it back. -- im soo scared.
[04:06] <Agent_Isai> Hi, when I tried installing Ubuntu 14.04.3 with Wubi and I got this https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/PVhdt8gU/Screenshot_2015-11-17-22-05-04-1.png
[04:07] <SubCool> Ok... PLEASE SOMEONE TAKE 5 mins!?
[04:09] <rypervenche> SubCool: What's up?
[04:09] <SubCool> Thank you.
[04:09] <shahrukh> hey guys
[04:09] <SubCool> just trying to get dropbox working. I use to work, and... idk what happen. - SO removed it all, reinstalled it a few times. and now im back to the same point
[04:09] <SubCool> technically amost done.
[04:10] <SubCool> https://www.dropbox.com/install?os=lnx
[04:10] <cryptz> tj i am secure erasing these drives and recreating the md0 array. based on your previous comments should i forgo the /dev/rssd*1 fd partitioning and just use the device
[04:10] <SubCool> IM at the bottom when you download the python script. Last time i had this working, someone help me put that the script someplace nice to run it- and make it excuteable.
[04:11] <SubCool> because of its self destruction, i had to remove everything.
[04:11] <rypervenche> SubCool: Just calm down, we can help.
[04:11] <deletemeplease> ubuntu!
[04:11] <deletemeplease> Is ubuntu supporting Wayland yet or are they still trying to work on their POS mir?
[04:12] <OerHeks> ubuntu goes for MIR, a fork of wayland
[04:12] <deletemeplease> OerHeks, why?!
[04:13] <deletemeplease> mir is a mess.
[04:13] <deletemeplease> Every tech demo of it that I've seen has been a complete disaster.
[04:13] <rypervenche> SubCool: Are you using the deb package/
[04:13] <OerHeks> LoLz, mir is in development, so calling it  a mess.. how about wayland?
[04:13] <SubCool> rypervenche, should i move dropbox.py someplace like i did before? i know im suppsoed to link it so i can use it.
[04:13] <SubCool> rypervenche, no- im using the headless version.
[04:13] <SubCool> my machine is headless at home. Im half a country away.
[04:14] <SubCool> i really wanna upgrade from 12 to 14lts, but im afraid ill br prompted for something i cant do- so later on im going to dl a model and test it.
[04:14] <Agent_Isai> I see that in the install log: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/9MkSKZNp/
[04:14] <K3y804rDCow80Y> this chat room doesn't have direct PM does it?
[04:14] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, it does, but be careful
[04:14] <deletemeplease> OerHeks, the difference is Wayland has a working compositor....
[04:14] <deletemeplease> Weston
[04:14] <deletemeplease> mir is a trainwreck
[04:14] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, what client r u using.
[04:15] <deletemeplease> OerHeks, so Unity is being ported to mir instead of wayland?
[04:15] <K3y804rDCow80Y> client? SubCool
[04:15] <SubCool> Im using Hexchat as a IRC client.
[04:15] <cryptz> @TJ blkid shows 318ea69d-0c43-85a7-c2f7-b83dfe364775 mdadm.conf shows UUID=318ea69d:0c4385a7:c2f7b83d:fe364775 could it be as simple as the - <> the :
[04:15] <deletemeplease> sucwhat are you trying to do?
[04:15] <SubCool> a lot of people use some browser based one.
[04:15] <deletemeplease> SubCool*
[04:16] <K3y804rDCow80Y> not sure link at the top says webchat.freenode.net
[04:16] <deletemeplease> SubCool, I'm under Lubuntu and the majority of my Linux experience is with debian but I could probably help
[04:16] <SubCool> deletemeplease, finish installation of dropbox on a headless machine.
[04:16] <deletemeplease> SubCool, oh.
[04:16] <deletemeplease> SubCool, any errors?
[04:16] <SubCool> deletemeplease, im sure u can, its really simple.
[04:16] <SubCool> no- just inability to use it
[04:16] <SubCool> I just rarely use linux, so i forget commands and locations and stupid stuff until i drive in again.
[04:16] <SubCool> https://www.dropbox.com/install?os=lnx
[04:17] <SubCool> if u goto the bottom, im at the last paragraph,
[04:17] <SubCool> just trying to make the dropbox.py executeable, place it in the right folder, and make this damn program do its job.
[04:17] <rypervenche> SubCool: Calmn down there. You shouldn't need to make it executable even.
[04:18] <deletemeplease> SubCool, I'm going to write you a command to run
[04:18] <SubCool> make it +x is from http://www.dropboxwiki.com/tips-and-tricks/using-the-official-dropbox-command-line-interface-cli
[04:18] <deletemeplease> SubCool, but first tell me if typing nc into terminal causes an error or not
[04:18] <rypervenche> SubCool: If you are using the headless one, why are you using a python script?
[04:18] <K3y804rDCow80Y> SubCool can you take a look------> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13324375/
[04:18] <SubCool> rypervenche, i have to with headless. dont i?
[04:19] <deletemeplease> K3y804rDCow80Y, are you trying to get help or give help?
[04:19] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, you never setup mon0 properly
[04:19] <Nautilus_> I did a server upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04 and it replaced my sudoers file, I don't remember how to regain permission to edit it. My root account is disabled.
[04:19] <K3y804rDCow80Y> get help
[04:19] <TJ-> cryptz: - vs : , no, the tools just use different human-friendly group separators
[04:19] <SubCool> deletemeplease, im helping him a bit.
[04:19] <deletemeplease> ah
[04:20] <deletemeplease> SubCool, do you know if Dropbox is spitting out any errors when you try and run the script
[04:20] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, i had that same issue for a while. U didnt setup mon0 correctly to the interface. Usually happened to me when i didnt disable the interface before setting up the mon0
[04:20] <K3y804rDCow80Y> SubCool or deletemeplease any suggestion on how to get that mon0 setup?
[04:20] <SubCool> deletemeplease, not really.
[04:20] <deletemeplease> K3rvyN, I haven't read your problems
[04:21] <cryptz> @Tj yes, i see i found an explanation that they should be different
[04:21] <deletemeplease> K3y804rDCow80Y, describe them to me in a PM if you want and I'll see what I can assist with
[04:21] <cryptz> at this point blkid reports the ids as expected for all 3 devices
[04:21] <cryptz> i am going to try to update-initramfs -u and reboot unless ther eis something with udevd i can check
[04:21] <SubCool> deletemeplease, when its actually running normally- or lack there of. I will try to initiate dropbox, but it doesnt. ONce we get to the point- if it does it again, i can show u the error. It basically show the dropbox prompting in cli, but no matter what i do, it never gets dropboxd running.
[04:22] <K3y804rDCow80Y> deletemeplease how can i PM?
[04:22] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, not in the manor- Thats really procedure you have to walk through.
[04:22] <deletemeplease> K3rvyN, /msg deletemeplease
[04:22] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, /msg name
[04:22] <deletemeplease> SubCool, for future reference I suggest you run this command
[04:23] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, reboot the pc, start from the beginning your missing some step or some step isnt being processed properly- its been 2 years since i used it... soooo..
[04:23] <deletemeplease> echo 'alias termbin="nc termbin.com 9999"' >> ~/.bashrc
[04:23] <SubCool> deletemeplease, k-
[04:23] <deletemeplease> SubCool, run that exactly
[04:23] <K3y804rDCow80Y> SubCool that's so notcool LOL
[04:23] <deletemeplease> in the future if you need to pastebin something like a log use cat <log> | termbin
[04:24] <SubCool> deletemeplease, ran it
[04:24] <deletemeplease> it'll spit a URl out into your terminal linking right to the paste
[04:24] <deletemeplease> SubCool, try it out
[04:24] <deletemeplease> SubCool, tail dmesg | termbin
[04:24] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, i spent weeks on it... until i teamed up with my friend who knows less, he found a great walk through which gave me the steps i missed.
[04:24] <deletemeplease> and give me the link
[04:25] <SubCool> deletemeplease,  tail dmesg | termbin
[04:25] <SubCool> tail: cannot open `dmesg' for reading: No such file or directory
[04:25] <SubCool> termbin: command not found
[04:25] <SubCool> sudo?
[04:25] <deletemeplease> SubCool, type bash
[04:25] <somsip> SubCool: dmesg shows the output, you'd need to tail -f /var/log/syslog
[04:26] <deletemeplease> somazero, I just tail dmesg all the time
[04:26] <deletemeplease> works for me.
[04:26] <deletemeplease> That's just me ✔
[04:26] <SubCool> usually works for me too- :/
[04:26] <deletemeplease> SubCool, in terminal type bash
[04:26] <deletemeplease> :p
[04:26] <SubCool> dmesg worked- - ok
[04:27] <SubCool> it went ot he next line.
[04:27] <deletemeplease> SubCool, once you type bash, do that command again
[04:27] <SubCool> same error.
[04:27] <OerHeks> termbin <> termbin.com
[04:27] <deletemeplease> SubCool, restart your terminal emulator
[04:27] <Nautilus_> I've disabled login for root and am wondering if there's a way for me to change to root after I've logged in as a user?
[04:27] <SubCool> ok
[04:27] <somsip> !sudo | Nautilus_
[04:28] <OerHeks> Nautilus_, "disabled login for root" ??
[04:28] <deletemeplease> SubCool, type termbin in your termal
[04:28] <deletemeplease> terminal*
[04:28] <Nautilus_> somsip: I need to edit my sudoers file to regain sudo power
[04:28] <Nautilus_> OerHeks: As I recall, yes I did (it was a while back)
[04:28] <OerHeks> Nautilus_, ubuntu has no root acccount.
[04:28] <somsip> Nautilus_: you need sudo to do that. So, looks lke you need to go into recovery mode
[04:28] <deletemeplease> OerHeks, it does
[04:29] <deletemeplease> it might be disabled.
[04:29] <SubCool> deletemeplease, still didnt work, but i did what the other person said.. and i got results.. paste it?
[04:29] <Nautilus_> ok, what would I do in recovery mode?
[04:29] <deletemeplease> SubCool, tell me what termbin does
[04:29] <somsip> Nautilus_: edit your sudoers file (correctly)
[04:29] <OerHeks> deletemeplease, no it does not, help subcool with his typos please.
[04:29] <SubCool> OerHeks, lol....
[04:29] <deletemeplease> OerHeks, All linux machines have UID 0 (root)
[04:30] <SubCool> says use netcat
[04:30] <Nautilus_> somsip: it won't let me run shutdown w/o sudo power... is there an alternate way?
[04:30] <deletemeplease> SubCool, ok
[04:30] <deletemeplease> tail -f  dmesg | termbin
[04:30] <somsip> Nautilus_: what version of ubuntu and what is this - sounds like you're SSHing into a server?
[04:31] <OerHeks> Nautilus_, boot in recovery mode, and fix it there
[04:31] <Nautilus_> yes, ssh into 14.04. It was 12.04 and I ran an upgrade, it over-wrote my sudoers file
[04:31] <cryptz> @tj, after reboot no md0 device, cat /proc/mdstat doesnt show it. dmesg | grep for either md0 or any of my rssa devies turns up nothing dmesg | grep md: shows entries but not errors. the entries are basically an acknowledgemnt of support for the various raid types
[04:31] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, you locked yourself out of sudo I presume.
[04:31] <somsip> Nautilus_: local box or server?
[04:31] <Nautilus_> its a vps
[04:31] <OerHeks> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo
[04:31] <SubCool> deletemeplease, same error
[04:31] <somsip> Nautilus_: sounds like you killed it. Contact your VPS provider
[04:31] <deletemeplease> SubCool, paste it
[04:32] <TJ-> cryptz: are the underlying devices there?
[04:32] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, so you're locked out of the sudo command
[04:32] <cryptz> yes
[04:32] <cryptz> i can reassemble the array manualyl with mdadm -As right now
[04:32] <Nautilus_> I could reimage and redo my vhost and hosts files, that's all I can do?
[04:32] <SubCool> deletemeplease, tail: cannot open `dmesg' for reading: No such file or directory
[04:32] <SubCool> Use netcat.
[04:32] <cryptz> i do not beleive boot is trying to assemble at all.
[04:32] <TJ-> cryptz: can you "pastebinit <( dmesg )"
[04:32] <SubCool> deletemeplease, should i use sudo?
[04:32] <Nautilus_> deletemeplease: yes
[04:32] <deletemeplease> SubCool, weird
[04:32] <somsip> Nautilus_: if you can rebuild from an image created prior to when you removed sudio rights, yes
[04:32] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, This is the HIGHLY INSECURE
[04:32] <deletemeplease> way of fixing it
[04:33] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, Are you in recovery mode?
[04:33] <SubCool> deletemeplease, welcome to my world.
[04:33] <cryptz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13324491/
[04:33] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, ssh in while in recovery mode.
[04:33] <Nautilus_> not in recovery mode, I can't seem to reboot from the command line to get to that option?
[04:33] <OerHeks> upgrading a VPN, those images are heavily tweaked, normally one would get an upgrade from the VPN provider
[04:33] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, you have to do it from your VPS control panel
[04:33] <Jordan_U> Nautilus_: What change did the upgrade make to your sudoers file? What is the exact message you get when you try to use sudo currently?
[04:33] <Nautilus_> just went looking for that...
[04:34] <Nautilus_> it put the stock 14.04 sudoers file in
[04:34] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, once you're in recovery mode execute this:
[04:34] <deletemeplease> mount -o remount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[04:34] <deletemeplease> chroot /mnt
[04:34] <Jordan_U> deletemeplease: sshing into a machine "while in recovery mode" won't (and shouldn't) get you a root shell through ssh.
[04:35] <deletemeplease> Jordan_U, Nautilus_ your VPS provider should have a remote screen option
[04:35] <deletemeplease> It will be like sitting infront of the machine instead of using SSH
[04:35] <Nautilus_> yea let me try some things through the vps CP
[04:35] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, once logged in, here is your command to use
[04:36] <deletemeplease> touch /mnt/sd1 && mount -o remount, rw / /mnt/sd1 && chroot /mnt/sd1
[04:36] <deletemeplease> That should drop you into your root partition again.
[04:36] <deletemeplease> You will still have root permissions though.
[04:36] <deletemeplease> from there you can fix your sudoers file
[04:36] <SubCool> deletemeplease, i just pushed for a reboot- lets see what happens...
[04:37] <SubCool> i hope it comes back on..
[04:37] <deletemeplease> SubCool, ok
[04:37] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, when you're done fixing the sudoers file use this command:
[04:37] <deletemeplease> sync && exit
[04:37] <deletemeplease> Then it will become safe to reboot the VPS
[04:38] <cryptz> Tj let me know if you need anything else dmesg looks incomplete
[04:38] <cryptz> from what i posted atleast
[04:38] <deletemeplease> Does anyone know how to operate thinkfan?
[04:38] <deletemeplease> my thinpad is running it's fan at 42c...
[04:38] <Jordan_U> deletemeplease: 1: Touch doesn't create directories, mkdir does. You're making assumptions that a device named /dev/sda1 exists, which on a VPS it likely won't (it will instead often be /dev/vda1), and you're also making assumptions about their VPS even having a mode like this, and that it works the way you're expecting. Do you know what VPS provider deletemeplease is using?
[04:38] <sanitypassing> hi, can anyone tell me the command ubuntu uses to start daemons? I'm running a 15.10 server, but I'm used to a different distros commands and so I have no idea how to daemonize docker right now. :\
[04:39] <Jordan_U> sanitypassing: sudo systemctl start service_name
[04:40] <deletemeplease> Jordan_U, I've found that using touch in /mnt and mounting a filesystem to the file you touched has been pretty reliable under ubuntu whereas using mkdir has been in debian. 99% of VPS providers will provide sda1
[04:40] <sanitypassing> ah, ubuntu uses systemd too?
[04:40] <deletemeplease> Jordan_U, I'e never encountered vda1 with KVM
[04:40] <NetworkingPro> anyone use ffmpeg on ubunut?
[04:40] <NetworkingPro> *ubuntu?
[04:40] <deletemeplease> if he's using Xen or OpenVZ then goodluck :)
[04:40] <deletemeplease> NetworkingPro, works perfectly, sanitypassing yes.
[04:41] <deletemeplease> sanitypassing, sudo service <service> <operation>
[04:41] <sanitypassing> Well, it appears the server isn't using systemctl
[04:41] <sanitypassing> ah that worked
[04:41] <sanitypassing> thanks!
[04:41] <deletemeplease> no problem
[04:41] <Nautilus_> deletemeplease: cannot touch /mnt/sd1: permission denied
[04:41] <TJ-> cryptz: OK, so the devices are "Micron P420m-MTFDGAR1T4MAX" on the mtip32xx controllers 43:00.0 and 44:00.0 ?
[04:41] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, mkdir /mnt/sd1
[04:41] <cryptz> yes
[04:42] <cryptz> 3 total
[04:42] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Dude!
[04:42] <deletemeplease> mkdir -r /mnt/sd1 && mount -o remount, rw / /mnt/sd1 && chroot /mnt/sd1
[04:42] <Nautilus_> deletemeplease: permission denied :(
[04:42] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, O_o
[04:42] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, whoami
[04:42] <TJ-> cryptz: sda being the 3rd, the OS boot device?
[04:42] <Nautilus_> shows my user name
[04:42] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, that is?
[04:42] <cryptz> correct sda is actually a hardware mirror off of the dell perc h710 controller, boot device as well
[04:43] <Nautilus_> deletemeplease: brian
[04:43] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, recovery mode?
[04:43] <SubCool> deletemeplease, thanks for trying. I tried to reboot it- and ... it didnt happen. SO, i have to wait until tomorrow.
[04:43] <SubCool> thanks guys.
[04:43] <Nautilus_> nope, doesn't look like I have a way to get there
[04:43] <NetworkingPro> deletemeplease:  ffmpeg question relating to rebroadcasting a stream?
[04:43] <TJ-> cryptz: ok... I *suspect* the issue is the naming of the block devices on the mtip32xx... you showed rsssdXY, is that corrrect?
[04:43] <deletemeplease> SubCool, that sucks :(
[04:43] <Jordan_U> deletemeplease: mkdir doesn't have a -r option, and you have an extra space between 'remount,' and 'rw'.
[04:43] <deletemeplease> SubCool, generally I don't use the offline clients on Linux becuase they're horrid
[04:44] <deletemeplease> Jordan_U, It's late and I'm tired.
[04:44] <deletemeplease> >.>
[04:44] <deletemeplease> almost midnight here.
[04:44] <dupingping> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/1517309
[04:44] <cryptz> tj they are /dev/rssda /dev/rssdb and /dev/rssdc i did not create partitions this time around. the guide from dell/micron does also not create partitions on the drive and add the partitions to the md array.
[04:44] <Jordan_U> deletemeplease: Possibly not a good time to be giving support then.
[04:45] <deletemeplease> mkdir /mnt/sd1 && mount -o remount, rw / /mnt/sd1 && chroot /mnt/sd1
[04:45] <Jordan_U> deletemeplease: Extra space still.
[04:45] <deletemeplease> Jordan_U, whoops
[04:45] <Nautilus_> still, not in recovery mode
[04:45] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, and you can't sudo su?
[04:45] <cryptz> @tj i am basically following this guide at this point, http://linux.dell.com/files/whitepapers/Linux_Software_RAID_Volumes_with_PCIe-SSD.pdf  this did work on older versions of ubuntu
[04:45] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, have you tried sudo su?
[04:46] <deletemeplease> or sudo bash -i
[04:46] <Nautilus_> I'm not in the sudoers file
[04:46] <cryptz> you could say prior to systemd, but are you seeing an attempt to create the array? i didnt see it, atleast not with the associations i was searching for
[04:46] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, is your VPS KVM, OpenVZ, or Xen?
[04:46] <TJ-> cryptz: I suspect the issue is simply that the udevd rules that match newly added blockdevices are NOT matching the 'rs*' pattern
[04:46] <deletemeplease> (it's helps to know)
[04:46] <killsomehiggers> why can't we get rid of all the niggers
[04:47] <Nautilus_> deletemeplease: I couldnt say
[04:47] <deletemeplease> Jordan_U, that was fast :)
[04:47] <deletemeplease> I was going to use hte ops command
[04:48] <cryptz> tj do u know where that logic resides, i can atleast take a look. the system is test i am willing to edit anything i can to try. i can safely say there will only ever be a software raid on these devices in this system, to that point i can probably take a good junk of the variables out of this. if there is a suitable place for me to simply issue the mdadm -As command that may work as well but
[04:48] <cryptz> i need to have md0 up before fstab obviously
[04:49] <hiya> is Ubuntu the most secure OS in the world?
[04:49] <Jordan_U> Nautilus_: What change did the upgrade make to your sudoers file? What is the exact message you get when you try to use sudo currently?
[04:49] <Jordan_U> hiya: No. Do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[04:50] <TJ-> cryptz: I suspect its /lib/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-storage.rules
[04:50] <TJ-> cryptz: look at the line "KERNEL!= ... GOTO="persistent_storage_end" "
[04:50] <hiya> Jordan_U, I don't know, I did not start to use it yet
[04:50] <Nautilus_> Jordan_U: I believe it put the stock 14.04 sudoers file in place of mine, doing a reboot but it says I'm not in the sudoers file
[04:51] <TJ-> cryptz: I suspect you need to add to that group of alternate matches "|rs*" at the end so the rule continues to process the device
[04:52] <Nautilus_> Jordan_U: "brian is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported."
[04:52] <ryan_> check
[04:52] <Jordan_U> Nautilus_: Had you manually edited /etc/suders before? It by default doesn't include any users by default, but rather just the "admin" and "sudo" groups, and any user that is a member of either group can run commands as root using sudo. Also note that upgrades will not replace files in /etc/ without prompting you first.
[04:53] <Nautilus_> yes I did add my user brian
[04:53] <TJ-> cryptz: I think you'll also need to add a match under the heading "# SCSI devices"
[04:53] <Nautilus_> and yea, it prompted me. oops
[04:53] <Jordan_U> Nautilus_: OK. Do you have any users (like one created during initial installation) that are members of the "admin" group?
[04:54] <TJ-> cryptz: to capture both the whole device, and partitions, you probably need to add "|rs*" to the 2 lines in that block that begin "KERNEL=="sd*|..."
[04:54] <Nautilus_> doubtful. I can't cat sudoers to see whats in there
[04:54] <TJ-> cryptz: it looks to me like you'd be better off creating a complete new rules file rather than editing that file, that has the rules needed, in /etc/udev/rules.d/
[04:55] <cryptz> out of curiousity what are you running? i only ask because 14.04 is officially supported by micron i wonder if that script has changed, i am making your changes now though.
[04:55] <cryptz> is there a place to simply issue mdadm -As earlier enough in the process or is it too late
[04:55] <cryptz> also this did work on older versions
[04:56] <Nautilus_> Jordan_U: looks like I need to reimage the vps and start over?
[04:56] <TJ-> cryptz: They ought to provide a udev upe
[04:56] <Jordan_U> Nautilus_: You don't understand, I'm not asking you to look at /etc/sudoers, I'm asking you to look at /etc/group .
[04:56] <TJ-> cryptz: s/upe/rule/ !
[04:56] <Nautilus_> oh ok
[04:57] <TJ-> cryptz: Hmmm, is there a supporting driver/OS package?
[04:57] <K3y804rDCow80y> SubCool I'm back
[04:57] <Jordan_U> Nautilus_: Look for any members of the "admin" or "sudo" groups. If there are any, try logging in as one of them.
[04:57] <cryptz> well there is but not for 15.10
[04:57] <Nautilus_> Jordan_U: I'm not sure what to make of /etc group
[04:57] <TJ-> cryptz: the kernel log doesn't show those devices being discovered at all, but it does show sda
[04:57] <Nautilus_> it does shoe brian:x:1001:
[04:57] <Nautilus_> show*
[04:58] <Jordan_U> Nautilus_: Look for a line starting with "sudo" or "admin".
[04:58] <cryptz> tj but the devices are accessible after boot
[04:59] <cryptz> i just had them in a zfs volume as well
[04:59] <Nautilus_> sudo:x:27 , adm:x:4:syslog , don't see an admin
[04:59] <cryptz> but maybe the older driver pack modifies these udev rules
[04:59] <cryptz> to your point, i am saying it worked in older versions of ubuntu, but i used their drivers in those versions
[05:00] <TJ-> cryptz: hmmm, the log shows no sign of them at all. I see the 'scst' stuff but there's nothing specifi there either. Usually when the kernel discovers a block device, it'll report it and show the partition table if it has one
[05:00] <Nautilus_> Jordan_U: ^
[05:00] <TJ-> cryptz: I suspect there is a udev rule in that driver pack. Can you look? its only a text file so you can easily copy it into /etc/udev/rules.d/ if there is one (or more)
[05:00] <Jordan_U> Nautilus_: Then you're out of luck. Contact your VPS provider to see what they can do.
[05:01] <Nautilus_> Jordan_U: thanks a bunch for the help, I'll have to reimage it and put the site files back
[05:01] <cryptz> its a deb file how would i extract
[05:02] <TJ-> cryptz: "dpkg-deb -x <file.deb> /path/to/some/dir"
[05:03] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: I promised to let you know how the USB stick turned out. PERFECT!
[05:04] <VictoriaXOXO> 100% perfect.
[05:04] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Plus, I got rid of all the stupid startup GUI/splash stuff.
[05:04] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: That's great :)
[05:04] <cryptz> tj i do not believe i have what we need, the contains /usr/src folders, only content is dkms.conf extra.c extra.h makefile mtip32xx.c mtip32xx.h
[05:05] <TJ-> cryptz: OK, that sounds like the source-code for a DKMS kernel module build
[05:05] <Nautilus_> Jordan_U: thanks again, reimage in progress.
[05:05] <TJ-> cryptz: I'm not sure then, but it feels like because the devices have an unconventional name the idev rules won't match them
[05:05] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: It sure is! By the way, do you know how to check all the sums of a file? md5, sha-1, and so on?
[05:05] <TJ-> !info jacksum | VictoriaXOXO
[05:06] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: And that is the best way?
[05:06] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Can I check just the sha-1 sum manually from a terminal?
[05:06] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: one tool that runs abotu 30+ hash/checksum algorithms against a file
[05:06] <cryptz> is there a window where i can issue the command mdadm -As before fstab is referenced so that i could assemble the array with a script at the right time in the boot process. after the system boots the devices are ok so it seems doable i just dont know the right location to put that command
[05:06] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: "sha1sum <file>"
[05:07] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: I'll write it down, but for now I'll use that "sha1sum <file>" command. Thanks! :D
[05:07] <TJ-> cryptz: that's the point of the udev rules. If they were being triggered, mdadm would be launched automatically
[05:07] <TJ-> cryptz: but for the udev mdadm rules to fire, first, the underlying devices have to be recognised, and processed as, block devices
[05:08] <cryptz> at some point they obviously are though
[05:09] <TJ-> cryptz: the nodes are there, but the extra userspace stuff that scans them isn't being triggered from everything you've shown, which is why you have to manually fire mdadm on the nodes
[05:09] <marksr> Eval...
[05:10] <cryptz> what is the search command to look for a hit on rssd* within the udev folder maybe i can find somethign else but to your point it may not be there
[05:10] <cryptz> but somethign is showing these drives as block devices by the time i can access them
[05:13] <TJ-> cryptz: you're confusing yourself. The /dev/rs* device is being created, thats not the issue. The issue is that when it is created udev rules need to recognise the *name* as a SCSI block device and scan those devices for signs of metadata to trigger mdadm. That never happens.
[05:14] <cryptz> gotcha i just wanted to search the udev folder file contents for an occurance of rs* or perhaps more specifically rssd*
[05:14] <cryptz> incase it was handled in another rule
[05:15] <cryptz> i still havent tried your suggestions to modify that file and i can do that now
[05:15] <cryptz> my biggest concern was not an immediate failure but somethign over a period of time
[05:15] <TJ-> cryptz: that's why I recommended adding a new rule in /etc/udev/rules.d/ that does for the rs* devices the same actions that /lib/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-storage.rules does for sd* devices
[05:15] <cryptz> ok fair enough let me try that
[05:16] <cryptz> once i make that change do those files fire automatically or does something need to be done, i know there is also an /etc/udev/rules.d and i wasnt sure what the distinction was
[05:24] <TJ-> cryptz: Looking at the rules, I think the file that contains the relevant bits for discovering/assembling is /lib/udev/rules.d/64-md-raid-assembly.rules
[05:25] <Jerry_> Hello everyone
[05:25] <cryptz> ok do you feel the 60-rules are also necessary still
[05:25] <Jerry_> i am facing a problem giblib error: Can't open X display. It *is* running, yeah
[05:27] <TJ-> cryptz: without seeing udev in action its hard to tell. You could use udevadm monitor and udevadm trigger to fire the rules processing again, and look at the rules being processed for those rs* devices.
[05:27] <cryptz> ok well you have definately given me alot of help and got me pointed in the right direction
[05:27] <cryptz> it has been a great learnign experience, you will be happy to know i do not do this for a living =)
[05:27] <cryptz> thank you very much
[05:28] <Jerry_> how, can i figure out it?
[05:28] <cryptz> one last question
[05:28] <cryptz> it seems alot of people put their custom items in etc/udev
[05:28] <cryptz> what is the dif vs lib
[05:28] <Jerry_>  i am facing a problem giblib error: Can't open X display.
[05:30] <cryptz> hey Tj, your suggested changes to rule 60 actually did it, i made those changes (creating them from scrarch was a little intimidating at first) and after a reboot md0 is intact!
[05:30] <cryptz> i know i will lose those changes after an upgrade though so i will try to find a better way
[05:30] <cryptz> the discs must adhere to the rules in 64 after the changes to 60..
[05:31] <Jerry_> Please help me guys.
[05:32] <hdavidzhu> exit
[05:32] <TJ-> cryptz: right, move the rules to /etc/udev/rules.d/ then
[05:33] <cryptz> at the moment i simply edited rule 60 in those 3 spots, i didnt want to create a stand alone rule that wasnt scoped correctly
[05:33] <cryptz> i will experiment with that
[05:33] <TJ-> cryptz: I did create a stripped down file for you to test, look at this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13324934/
[05:34] <TJ-> cryptz: that should do it; and then you don't need to have the system package rules modified (which would get wiped out any time the udev package is upgraded)
[05:34] <cryptz> ok so if this goes in /etc/udev/... it should persist through upgrades?
[05:35] <TJ-> cryptz: correct, anything under /etc/udev/rules.d/ belongs to the sys-admin not the package
[05:35] <cryptz> well this is awesome! thanks so much
[05:35] <TJ-> cryptz: the important thing is to have the number of the file lower than the system package, so your rules get processed first
[05:35] <TJ-> cryptz: notice i set it to 59-
[05:35] <cryptz> yep
[05:36] <TJ-> cryptz: revert your changes and test that rules file, ensure it does the job :)
[05:38] <TJ-> cryptz: I think the KEY line there is 26, where it imports into the udev environment, the variables generated by 'blkid' since those will include the 'FS_TYPE' which the MD rules will match to
[05:40] <cryptz> rebooting now with 60's changes reverted and your custom 59
[05:41] <cryptz> are there any good books that would have told me about udev i have been using linux as a san for about 2 years but never had to interact with it
[05:42] <cryptz> i didnt know what was actually piecing this all together at boot
[05:42] <TJ-> I think there's some online docs for udev, but it's mostly aquired experience :)
[05:42] <cryptz> problem with linux for me is that there could be good docs on udev, i wasnt going to be looking for udev related docs though =)
[05:43] <TJ-> cryptz: yeah, that's why IRC is so useful.
[05:43] <TJ-> cryptz: can put you on the correct track
[05:43] <cryptz> biggest headache was there were alot of people with this problem and it was just mdadm.conf related as well.. so i spent a day looking through all of those
[05:44] <TJ-> My mantra here has become "read the logs, Luke!"
[05:44] <cryptz> well i really appreciate it again man..
[05:44] <cryptz> i really didnt see anything in the logs
[05:44] <cryptz> i didnt know what i was looking for tbh
[05:44] <cryptz> so i was searching for md0 and my device names
[05:44] <cryptz> never saw it
[05:44] <TJ-> cryptz: yes, that was the point... the devices weren't in the logs when they ought to be
[05:44] <cryptz> it just came back up with md0 intact
[05:45] <cryptz> yes i would have just concluded aww shit someone stole my pciessds
[05:45] <cryptz> i honestly didnt think it was trying to assemble, i just had no clue why
[05:48] <cryptz> i am heading off now, i greatly appreciate all of your help
[05:49] <Nautilus_> hoping for a quick tip, how do I tell where my DocumentRoot directive is pointing to?
[05:50] <Nautilus_> oh, I found a /var/www dir, that's the place?  New 14.04 image
[05:52] <Jerry_> guys please help
[05:52] <Jerry_> i am facing a problem giblib error: Can't open X display.
[06:01] <game000> guys, I'm trying to use mysql but I see that it's installed
[06:01] <game000> but I cannot open phpmyadmin in my browser from my machine
[06:01] <game000> why?
[06:02] <hamnstar> hey folks
[06:02] <hamnstar> trying to run popcorntime
[06:02] <hamnstar> getting a black screen - appears to be waiting on an AF_LOCAL socket talking to X11
[06:02] <hamnstar> any ideas
[06:03] <hamnstar> ?
[06:03] <Guest75454> game000, if its installed, whats the issue?
[06:04] <VictoriaXOXO> Holy ****. Paris is under attack again.
[06:04] <game000> Guest75454> I'm using ssh connection and I installed it and it's not working
[06:04] <ParadiseHunter> VictoriaXOXO, is that true? Sh**** how long ago?
[06:05] <VictoriaXOXO> ParadiseHunter: I just noticed it. Think it's breaking. http://www.cbs12.com/news/top-stories/stories/reports-gun-fire-possible-explosions-near-saintdenis-area-paris-france-31252.shtml?wap=0&
[06:05] <ParadiseHunter> damn it ...
[06:06] <ParadiseHunter> yes headlines on google
[06:06] <cairaptor> Is that the police after #9?
[06:06] <game000> Guest75454> I don't know what's the problem
[06:10] <hipitihop> I have an in-house single page app that runs in Chrome/Canary which causes the tab to crash. I have investigated chrome logging but nothing useful. Can anyone suggest a way to get more insight into the chrome process/tab ?
[06:11] <game000> guys when I use nano how can I write over the file
[06:12] <game000> cause I'm using ctrl+x and it's showing me some option. and I don't know how to write over the file
[06:12] <danatwork> game000: Ctrl + O
 ok, then there's some option came to me: M-D Dos , M-A
[06:13] <game000> etc ..
[06:15] <Abe> hello I did an Update but now my resolution is only 1024x768 and I can't set it higher??
[06:21] <ParadiseHunter> game000, if you are not comfortable with text editors in CLI mode, try gedit <filename>
[06:21] <ParadiseHunter> or leafpad <filename>
[06:22] <game000> I'm using ubuntu server
[06:22] <Abe> ok I fixed it
 I'm using the ubuntu server version
[06:23] <Abe> the cable wasn;t in right
[06:25] <ParadiseHunter> game000, you know vi editor?
[06:25] <Massrawy> Abe : thanks for the update, sure might help someone else who may overlook this.
[06:25] <ParadiseHunter> though nano is the simplest ones :-)
 I solved the problem by clicking on ctrl+o and then press enter
[06:26] <game000> it will overwrite the file
[06:26] <ParadiseHunter> sweet
 thanks for your help
[06:27] <Orian> Gretings
[06:27] <Orian> ill lurk now
[06:28] <ParadiseHunter> I did nothing you solved yourself, cheers!
[06:28] <VictoriaXOXO> Sorry all for the off-topic, but this just happened in France. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJDEUmy7Wzk
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> VictoriaXOXO: please not here
[06:29] <VictoriaXOXO> That's the only thing I will post. :)
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> VictoriaXOXO: we have an offtopic channel for such
[06:38] <neonixcoder> Good day all
[06:38] <neonixcoder> how can I change a partition label in Ubuntu?
[06:39] <neonixcoder> I used tune2fs -L ""  /dev/sda1 which is not working..
[06:39] <neonixcoder> Can I know how to remove already assigned label for a partition?
[06:44] <emitattuo> neonixcoder, gparted does that easily
[06:45] <neonixcoder> is it?
[06:45] <emitattuo> neonixcoder, unless you're working on an LVM setup, yeah, it'll do what you want.
[06:45] <neonixcoder> no LVM setup..
[06:45] <neonixcoder> Let me have a look..
[06:46] <neonixcoder> Thanks, emitattuo.
[06:46] <emitattuo> neonixcoder, you're welcome.  I use it for most any non-LVM partitioning.
[06:48] <neonixcoder> emitatuo: No other tools like e2label etc?
[06:48] <emitattuo> It's also installed by default on most live CDs/USB distributions, so it's commonly available if you are trying to do something like resize a partition on an already installed system.
[06:48] <emitattuo> emitattuo, I'm sure there's many other tools, yes.
[06:49] <emitattuo> uh, neonixcoder ^^
[06:50] <emitattuo> (Not enough sleep lately)
[06:51] <neonixcoder> emitattuo: I just require removing label from a partition not resizing..
[06:56] <Enobkcab> Hello everyone!
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> Enobkcab: welcome, what can we do for you?
[07:02] <Inkletblot> hai?
[07:30] <Irrtum> hi
[07:47] <DF3D2> whats good my buntuers
[07:51] <derock299> hello, I upgraded from 15.04 to 15.10 online. After the upgrade i got a notification to reboot my system to finish the upgrade, during the reboot, the system hanged and it wont move from that stage
[07:51] <sliddis> Hello how do I compile a program I downloaded from git? I downloaded with git clone url.git
[07:51] <derock299> hello
[07:52] <OerHeks> !build
[07:52] <derock299> how do I change back cos I can't access my pc now, although I have another partition running 14.10, please help guys
[07:53] <OerHeks> derock299, upgrade issue, do you happen to have an ATI videocard, there are issues with these, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseNotes#Graphics_and_Display
[07:54] <derock299> I am using a Radeon graphics in HP probook
[07:54] <derock299> I have removed the drive and made it external drive, is there a way I can correct this now
[07:55] <derock299> I have upgraded using the same method from 14.10 to 15.04 without any issue but encountered this issue on 15.10
[07:55] <OerHeks> boot in recovery mode, uninstall fglrx and reinstall the open driver.
[07:57] <abdel_> I upgraded from 15.04 to 15.10 in ubuntu, it asked me to reboot my pc, during the reboot, my system hanged and it wont move from that stage. please can you help me guys . I need to access my PC back pls
[07:57] <abdel_> Although I have another partition running 14.10 on the same PC.
[07:58] <SeriouslyLaugh> abdel_ give this a read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode
[07:58] <SeriouslyLaugh> http://www.howtogeek.com/196740/how-to-fix-an-ubuntu-system-when-it-wont-boot/
[07:59] <abdel_> Seriously I will do that now but I need a quick fix, I have already removed my drive and made it external drive, is there a way I can correct the external drive now so that my OS will start working?
[07:59] <SeriouslyLaugh> there isn't really a magic solution
[07:59] <SeriouslyLaugh> it depends on why it wont boot
[07:59] <SeriouslyLaugh> you'll have to troubleshoot it
[08:01] <OerHeks> abdel_ = derock299 , again: boot in recovery, remove the fglrx driver and use the open driver .. ( why asking it with 2 names ?)
[08:01] <OerHeks> sudo apt-get remove --purge fglrx*
[08:01] <emadhelmi> Hi
[08:01] <abdel_> how do I remove the fglrx, I am quite a novice at Oerhks, please help
[08:01] <emadhelmi> How can i check the server side programming language of a website?
[08:02] <SeriouslyLaugh> i'm genuinely amazed that people are technically inclined enough to come to this channel to ask for help but don't think to try google first
[08:02] <SeriouslyLaugh> nothing personal
[08:02] <abdel_> but I cannot access the drive now, its not booting, it hangs during boot
[08:04] <sliddis> When I try to compile with "make" i get error std::__cxx11::string Dines::random_string(size_t)
[08:04] <OerHeks> abdel_, hold shift @ boot, and choose recovery mode in the grub2 menu
[08:04] <sliddis> along with a lot of other errors
[08:05] <abdel_> i have tried that Oerheks, the recovery mode hangs too
[08:05] <abdel_> let me try again sir
[08:06] <derock299> I am here OerHeks
[08:08] <derock299> do you mean immediately i boot my pc, I should hold the shift key @oerheks, what do I do after that?
[08:09] <OerHeks> derock299, after the bios page, hold shift > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode
[08:11] <derock299> okay i will have to put the drive back into my pc and try again @oerheks
[08:16] <ColonelUsername> Does anyone know of something like this (http://conjurecode.com/create-indicator-applet-for-ubuntu-unity-with-python/) for C? I'm looking for a tutorial on how to make a panel-indicator, or maybe some documentation that's less than four years old, and google is not being helpful.
[08:18] <derock299> is there a way I can remove the fglxr* on the external drive ?
[08:19] <derock299> I have another drive on my pc running 14.04 and the one that refuses to boot is now an external drive.
[08:19] <baizon> derock299: boot into text mode and remove it then
[08:19] <derock299> please guide me baizon
[08:20] <derock299> i really don't know how to do this
[08:20] <baizon> derock299: http://askubuntu.com/questions/92276/how-do-i-boot-into-true-text-mode
[08:22] <derock299> @baizon: the affected drive is now an external drive, so how will I do sudo update-grub
[08:22] <derock299> based on the link you sent, after editing the etc file, I was told to do sudo update-grub
[08:23] <baizon> derock299: yes
[08:23] <sliddis> http://paste.debian.net/333486/ what is wrong when compiling this? I downloaded from github with git clone. got build-essential, autoconf, libcppunit-dev
[08:23] <baizon> derock299: boot into recovery mode and do this
[08:24] <derock299> from the etc file i couldn't fine fglxr*
[08:24] <derock299> okay baizon will I boot into recovery mode, the drive is now an external drive
[08:24] <derock299> please show me sir
[08:25] <baizon> derock299: http://askubuntu.com/questions/16042/how-to-get-to-the-grub-menu-at-boot-time
[08:26] <baizon> derock299: and this http://askubuntu.com/questions/150367/how-do-i-boot-into-recovery-mode
[08:28] <derock299> I have two partitions one is  still 14.10 and I can access that partition, can I fix the second partition from the working partition @baizon
[08:30] <baizon> derock299: you want to deinstall fglrx?
[08:30] <serveur_> hello
[08:37] <Yume> list
[08:55] <arch> http://askubuntu.com/questions/91815/how-to-install-software-or-upgrade-from-an-old-unsupported-release
[09:07] <derock299> baizon, here is my problem. I upgraded from 15.04 to 15.10, I was asked to reboot to complete installation, during the reboot, my pc hanged, i waited for 4 hours but it never passed that stage. My pc runs two partitions (14.10 and 15.04) the 14.10 partition is still accessible but the issue now is with the 15.04 partition which was upgraded to 15.10 and encountered issues. so how do I fix this issue now sir
[09:08] <stevenm> Hey due to "Micro Release Exceptions" as they were called... Ubuntu forces upon us the latest Firefox and Thunderbird... this is normally fine... but I'm having a real issue with Thunderbird 38 and need to go back to 31 - what is the proper way to do this?
[09:11] <arch> how to install software or upgrade form an old unsupported release. http://bit.ly/1WYu9Q4
[09:15] <stevenm> anyone?
[09:16] <explosive> arch: type cat /etc/issue
[09:16] <explosive> stevenm: there's not really a proper way to do it
[09:16] <derock299> please can somebody help me with my issue please
[09:17] <explosive> stevenm: if you use the older firefox it might have vulnerabilities
[09:17] <stevenm> explosive, no i'm trying to use an older thunderbird
[09:17] <stevenm> explosive, given the only thing it connects to is my own trusted mail server - i'm fine taking the risk... not like it is a web browser
[09:18] <explosive> stevenm: you could uninstall it, and then download the .deb and use dpkg to install it, but it also might have vulnerabilities
[09:18] <explosive> archive.ubuntu.com for the deb files
[09:18] <explosive> dpkg -i <deb file> to install
[09:18] <stevenm> explosive, can i pin it or something so it won't upgrade?
[09:18] <explosive> yeah i think you can use apt-mark or something to do that
[09:18] <derock299> baizon, here is my problem. I upgraded from 15.04 to 15.10, I was asked to reboot to complete installation, during the reboot, my pc hanged, i waited for 4 hours but it never passed that stage. My pc runs two partitions (14.10 and 15.04) the 14.10 partition is still accessible but the issue now is with the 15.04 partition which was upgraded to 15.10 and encountered issues. so how do I fix this issue now sir
[09:19] <explosive> type man apt_preferences to read about it
[09:20] <explosive> derock299: what does it hang on while booting?
[09:20] <derock299> it gets to a stage and just hangs there
[09:21] <derock299> it doesnt move from there, it gives an error that failed to boot systemct or something, I cant remember
[09:22] <explosive> derock299: can you get the exact error?
[09:23] <derock299> i was told that I need to do sudo apt-get remove --purge fglxr*
[09:23] <derock299> but I dont even know how to do it because my safe mode hangs too, I will have to put this PC off
[09:24] <explosive> derock299: try booting with these kernel parameters: nomodeset
[09:24] <explosive> instead of quiet splash
[09:24] <cfhowlett> !nomodeset | derFlo
[09:24] <cfhowlett> derock299, this ^^
[09:26] <derock299> explosive how do i do the nomodeset?
[09:26] <derock299> can I correct the drive manually since i have turned it into external drive now
[09:27] <explosive> derock299: hold shift when the pc boots, to get grub, press e, then edit the line that starts with linux /boot/vmlinuz...
[09:27] <explosive> then press ctrl+x
[09:28] <derock299> okay let me put it off and try
[09:28] <derock299> thanks
[09:29] <ren0v0> hi, i've changed "automatically check for updates" to "never", yet i'm still receiving GUI popups for updates?
[09:29] <explosive> np
[09:30] <explosive> ren0v0: i think that only doesn't check for updates
[09:31] <explosive> if you use apt-get update it's the same
[09:31] <explosive> cause i sometimes apt-get update then immediately get a popup from the gui
[09:31] <explosive> remove the display popup for security and the other one if you want to not see them
[09:34] <derock299> @explosive: how do I do the sudo apt-get remove --purge fglxr*?
[09:42] <e01> i had installed slack on ubuntu, but now almost every file is opened (double click) with it by default, how can i fix this without uninstalling slack?
[09:43] <reisio> e01: slack?
[09:44] <e01> reisio, not th distro but the messaging app
[09:45] <reisio> 'configuration management program for lazy admins' ?
[09:45] <e01> nvm
[09:46]  * reisio rolls eyes
[09:46] <derock299> okay I have removed my hard drive and turned it to external drive but i cant view the content of my drive in the home file, I get only a read me text which give this erro:This link cannot be used because its target “/usr/share/ecryptfs-utils/ecryptfs-mount-private.txt” doesn't exist.
[09:46] <reisio> gonna use software with a terrible name, people are going to be unclear as to what you're talking about
[09:46] <derock299> please how to I access all my files in my external drive
[09:46] <reisio> derock299: does that file exist?
[09:48] <derock299> @reisio: I have removed my drive with ubuntu 15.04 on it, i turned it to external drive, now when I insert it in another system running ubuntu 14.10, I can see the drive but there's nothing on my home folder
[09:48] <derock299> and i have files about 200gb in the drive
[09:49] <reisio> derock299: that doesn't answer my question
[09:50] <derock299> no it doesnt exist i just checked @reisio
[09:50] <reisio> derock299: so tell it where it is
[09:50] <derock299> please how do I access content of my drive @reisio?
[09:51] <reisio> derock299: it's looking for /usr/share/ecryptfs-utils/ecryptfs-mount-private.txt
[09:51] <derock299> where is that located ?
[09:51] <reisio> derock299: that is where
[09:51] <reisio> that's an absolute path
[09:51] <reisio> if it's not there, then you've moved it
[09:51] <derock299> sorry reisio, i checked again its there
[09:52] <NaOH> He lost his key :/
[09:52] <derock299> its there: /usr/share/ecryptfs-utils/ecryptfs-mount-private.txt
[09:52] <derock299> its there
[09:52] <derock299> but I cannot view the content of my drive
[09:53] <NaOH> wouldn't there = the 200gb drive and so would not be  /usr/share/ecryptfs-utils/ecryptfs-mount-private.txt but more like /media/USERNAME/usr/share/ecryptfs-utils/ecryptfs-mount-private.txt ?
[09:54] <derock299> THIS DIRECTORY HAS BEEN UNMOUNTED TO PROTECT YOUR DATA.
[09:54] <derock299> From the graphical desktop, click on:
[09:54] <derock299>  "Access Your Private Data"
[09:54] <derock299> or
[09:54] <derock299> From the command line, run:
[09:54] <derock299>  ecryptfs-mount-private
[09:57] <derock299> okay this is what i want, I have removed my drive running ubuntu and converted it to external drive, please how do I access the content of the drive now
[10:05] <Blackout_> Hallo zusammen
[10:05] <reisio> 'lo
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> !de | Blackout_
[10:06] <reisio> ...
[10:10] <justrohu> Hello everyone
[10:10] <justrohu> I am very new to ubuntu
[10:11] <justrohu> can any one please guide me how to set up cron job in ubuntu
[10:11] <hateball> !cron
[10:13] <labsy> hi all
[10:13] <luzhlon> hu
[10:13] <luzhlon> hi
[10:13] <labsy> my server got hacked.
[10:13] <reisio> labsy: bummer
[10:13] <labsy> question is: I found out someone had access to user root with pubkey. I see his RSA (fingerprint)
[10:14] <labsy> but it is none of mine.
[10:15] <reisio> that isn't a question
[10:19] <andreas_> HI
[10:19] <explosive> hi
[10:19] <labsy> ah
[10:19] <labsy> the question is: how could this happen?
[10:19] <explosive> labsy: what's the server running? services?
[10:19] <labsy> a different fingerprint which is none of my keys in authorized_keys for user root.
[10:20] <labsy> explosive: mongo and redis. mongo was open without auth
[10:20] <labsy> no idea about redis
[10:20] <labsy> could someone do something via mongo shell?
[10:20] <labsy> is there a chance to do such thing with the mongo shell at all?
[10:22] <BuildTheRobots> good morning. can't seem to get ssl to work when connecting to either https://ubuntu.com or https://releases.ubuntu.com - does anyone know if it's supposed to work, and if not, how I can get a verified download of ubuntu, please?
[10:22] <Guest19904> O HO
[10:22] <cfhowlett> BuildTheRobots, use torrents
[10:23] <BuildTheRobots> cfhowlett: which is great, but as the torrent isn't downloaded over ssl it makes the torrent contents unverifiable, right?
[10:23] <labsy> any known vulnerability regarding ssh in recent time?
[10:23] <cfhowlett> BuildTheRobots, torrents are hashchecked via ubuntu and torrents themselves are sumchecked for accuracy
[10:23] <reisio> labsy: try #polls
[10:24] <cookie80> labsy: I'm just curious... what are the filepermissions of authorized_keys?
[10:24] <BuildTheRobots> cfhowlett: sure, but my point is, i have no way of knowing the torrent file I download from ubuntu.com is actually the torrent they've published
[10:24] <reisio> BuildTheRobots: the source doesn't matter if you check sums, that's the point
[10:24] <labsy> cookie80: now or back then?
[10:24] <reisio> BuildTheRobots: yes, you have
[10:24] <BuildTheRobots> reisio: so where do I get the checksums from
[10:24] <cookie80> labsy: back then
[10:24] <reisio> BuildTheRobots: any ubuntu mirror
[10:24] <cfhowlett> BuildTheRobots, false.  md5sum with checksums from ubuntu
[10:24] <labsy> because the attacker deleted authorized_keys and made a directory out of it
[10:25] <reisio> md5 is outdated (though probably still sufficient enough)
[10:25] <explosive> labsy: check /var/log/auth.log
[10:25] <labsy> cookie80: 664
[10:25] <labsy> explosive: I did already. I told you I checked his fingerprint.
[10:25] <explosive> needless to say you should erase the server and start a fresh server
[10:25] <labsy> it was from auth.log
[10:25] <labsy> explosive: yes. will do it anyway. but Im more curious about how this even could happen at all
[10:26] <explosive> labsy: did he leave anything behind in the logs? /root/.*_history or something
[10:26] <explosive> or the user's history file
[10:26] <derock299> hello explosive, I have inserted my drive back into the pc, I went to recovery mode and to drop to rootshell prompt , I did sudo apt-get remove --purge pglxr*
[10:27] <labsy> explosive: he made a new superuser with uid 0
[10:27] <labsy> named Redistoor.
[10:27] <labsy> and he was logged in only 1 minute. if I can trust wtmp at all after this
[10:27] <explosive> labsy: check the logs of the services if they're still there, and any errors they might have given
[10:27] <labsy> so I guess it was a bot
[10:27] <derock299> i got this error: W: not using locking for read only lock file, E: unable to write to /var/cache/apt/ and E: The package lists or status file could not b e parsed or opened
[10:28] <explosive> derock299: remount in rw
[10:28] <derock299> then when I try to reboot my pc , during the reboot i get this:failed to start kernel modules error and check systemct1
[10:28] <explosive> mount -o remount,rw /
[10:28] <derock299> it then continues but hooks afterwards
[10:29] <derock299> how do I remount in rw
[10:29] <explosive> labsy: exploit-db.com might show recent vulnerabilities
[10:29] <derock299> please give me the steps
[10:29] <derock299> I went to drop to rootshell prompt and did: mount -o remount, rw/
[10:30] <derock299> and also mount --all
[10:30] <explosive> mount -o remount,rw /
[10:30] <derock299> but its not working
[10:30] <derock299> after mount -o remount,rw/ ......what do I do next
[10:31] <derock299> cos I ttried it and nothing worked my pc still hooks at start up
[10:31] <derock299> okay, I have two partitions, one of the partitions is working...I can access the other partitions but I cannot see my documents, please how can I do this and see my files
[10:34] <cookie80> labsy: recommended file permissions are 644, maybe the attacker was part of your group
[10:34] <labsy> cookie80: yes. investigating.
[10:35] <cookie80> labsy: or the exploited service
[10:35] <derock299> please I cannot access the contents of my second partition from the first partition, I can see the second partition but I cannot see my files, please help
[10:41] <MeTaL_GuRu> hello
[10:41] <reisio> 'lo metal
[10:54] <noelia> Hello everyone
[10:54] <noelia> I need some help here
[10:54] <cfhowlett> !ask | noelia
[10:55] <noelia> I have some broken packages and I don't know how to fix them
[10:56] <noelia> I can't install anything because of that
[10:58] <noelia> Synaptic is telling me I've got to fix the broken packages first...
[10:58] <noelia> I'm a newbie and I don't know how to do this.
[10:58] <cfhowlett> !patience | noelia
[10:59] <noelia> Ok, sorry
[11:05] <stevenm> Hey, where can I find the older version of Thunderbird 31 which my 14.04 system had before version 38 was forced upon it?
[11:05] <stevenm> Don't say archive.ubuntu.com as that does have version 31 but it seems compiled for later version of Ubuntu
[11:06] <bazhang> what about packages.ubuntu.com stevenm
[11:07] <stevenm> that web ui just lists version 38 for trusty
[11:09] <mcphail> stevenm: old versions are only kept in the repos for a short time. You may be stuck with it.
[11:09] <TJ-> stevenm: amd64 arch?
[11:09] <stevenm> TJ-, yeah
[11:09] <TJ-> stevenm: this should do you: see the "Built files" section. https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/7656102
[11:09] <stevenm> lightning really doesn't work properly with 38 when connected to my stupid work's office 365 system
[11:10] <stevenm> ah perfect thanks TJ-
[11:10] <mcphail> stevenm: frustrating. Do you have an older version in your apt cache?
[11:10] <stevenm> mcphail, no i checked
[11:11] <mcphail> stevenm: I see TJ- has solved your problem. Hope it helps
[11:11] <stevenm> i get why ubuntu does these micro release exceptions (e.g. libreoffice, firefox and thunderbird get updated regardless) but this kind of thing is annoying
[11:12] <stevenm> well i've under installed thunderbird 38 and related packages - after i've installed 31 again - how can I stop apt from upgradgint them?  i think it's pinning isn't it?  can I pin anything called thunderbird* or xul-ext-lightning* ?
[11:13] <mcphail> stevenm: I think pinning is the correct thing to do, but I've never done it and don't know the syntax
[11:13] <TJ-> stevenm: you can mark the packages as held
[11:14] <stevenm> TJ-, hmm that page seems to be missing thunderbird-locale-en-gb
[11:14] <TJ-> stevenm: see "man apt-mark" ... you'd want to do "apt-mark hold <package1> <package2> ..."
[11:16] <TJ-> stevenm: you want the -en package. en-gb was a transitional, empty, package
[11:16] <noelia> I'm having problems with Synaptic, I can't fix the broken packages, I'm filtering them but still don't appear
[11:22] <noelia> TJ - Can you help me, please?
[11:25] <Kartagis> why is wifi lost after returning from hibernation?
[11:25] <ludza> can someone help me a boot a distributable dvd i created with remastersys. it completed successfully but gave an error that it might not boot on all bioses
[11:25] <Kartagis> Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection is the wirelss card
[11:26] <cfhowlett> ludza, remastersys has been discontinued and no longer supported for some time now.  might not be trustworthy ...
[11:27] <noelia> cfhowlett I've read some information on the internet but none of the workarounds is working :(
[11:27] <ludza> So is there any other app i can use to make a distributable copy of my running system
[11:28] <cfhowlett> noelia, I don't have enough knowledge to provide meaningful help.  ask every 20 minutes or so. soory
[11:28] <cfhowlett> !uck | ludza
[11:28] <lynxer10> good moring all
[11:28] <stevenm> thanks TJ-  :)
[11:29] <ludza> Thanks @ubottu
[11:33] <co10> hey its liam, sup
[11:33] <co10> yo reply hommies
[11:33] <co10> my name is jeff
[11:34] <cfhowlett> co10, this is ubuntu support.  stay on topic or try #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:35] <co10> scott is a mr chow
[11:36] <cfhowlett> co10, off-topic.
[11:36] <co10> hi sam :-)
[11:36] <sebastianlutter> I hunt a bug in a Java JNI shared library. Is there a way on ubuntu to identify missing shared libs of a given .so file? Like ldd -v, but only shows dependencies that are missing on the actual box?
[11:37] <Sonu> Hi ... i am facing a Curl issue on my server.. Curl is enabled but not working ...http://awesomescreenshot.com/0445exek37
[11:39] <vooze> Hi, i'm running 14.04.3 on my laptop. some times after resume from sleep. the touchpad is "frozen" it can scroll, but not move. Mouse works just fine. It works restarting unity. Is the synaptic driver in the kernel, or do I need to run something like 15.10 to get a newer synaptic driver?
[11:42] <hateball> vooze: does reloading psmouse work, or do you have to restart unity?
[11:44] <vooze> hateball, just testet, have to reload unity
[11:45] <vooze> hateball, oh wait, now it works after reloading psmouse
[11:47] <hateball> vooze: you could make some (ugly) workaround that reloads it on resume
[11:47] <Sonu> Failed to connect to  port 80: Connection timed out
[11:47] <Sonu> when using curl
[11:48] <vooze> hateball, its just weird, because I remember it worked in 15.04 and 15.10
[11:48] <vooze> and 14.04.3 should be like 15.04 right? The same kernel etc.
[11:49] <hateball> vooze: no, 3.13 vs 3.19
[11:50] <vooze> hateball, but I have 3.19. (14.04.3
[11:50] <KrysTaLiZed> guys I have a friend who want to contribute in Masters of the Universe section, how shall he start?
[11:50] <reisio> KrysTaLiZed: what? :p
[11:50] <KrysTaLiZed> he wants to become a MOTU someday
[11:50] <iceCalt> He shall sacrifice his children for.
[11:50] <KrysTaLiZed> lol
[11:50] <hateball> vooze: yep, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[11:51] <derock299> hello please can somebody help me with a precise and detail solution to my problem? i upgraded from 15.04 to 15.10 on one of my partitions, it asked for a reboot to complete installtion, during the reboot i got error that failed to start load kernel modules, then it says check systemct1 and load FUSE control, it continues to ok other checks and finally it hanged completely( freezes). I have tried recovery mode and did mount -o remount,rw/ but still no
[11:51] <derock299> luck
[11:51] <KrysTaLiZed> no offttopic here iceCalt btw
[11:51] <hateball> vooze: the default kernel is 3.13 tho
[11:51] <SemiNus> hi
[11:51] <vooze> hateball, I have that, thats why I'm on 3.19
[11:51] <derock299> I have tried sudo update-grub after changing the grub file to nomodeset but i got error too
[11:51] <hateball> vooze: Yep
[11:52] <DJones> !motu | KrysTaLiZed There might be something linked from here,
[11:52] <capio> Hey. i installed Ubuntu. i have two monitors. but when i move my mouse with slow velocity to another monitor it gets stuck in the middle. i have to move it with some speed.
[11:52] <derock299> please can somebody help me, all I need are my important files in the other partition, its urgent please help
[11:52] <KrysTaLiZed> oh thanks DJones
[11:52] <SemiNus> I wondered how I could recursively compare a directory on a webserver with a local directory.   If both were local,  I would use diff -rq   but in this case... is it possible to somehow use  md5 sum to check the files and then check against the md5 sums locally?
[11:52] <hateball> vooze: I wouldnt suggest downgrading kernel, rather upgrade to a later in that case. or just make a script to reload psmouse on resume
[11:52] <DJones> capio: Sounds like stick edges is set to be on, I think its in the display settings and needs turning off
[11:53] <DJones> capio: Settings - Display - Sticky Edges - On/Off
[11:53] <vooze> hateball, can I use 4.2 like in 15.10 ? I see for Server it says sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-wily. But not sure how that would work on laptop
[11:54] <derock299> I have tried sudo update-grub after changing the grub file to nomodeset but i got error too
[11:54] <hateball> vooze: It is the same
[11:54] <derock299> hello please can somebody help me with a precise and detail solution to my problem? i upgraded from 15.04 to 15.10 on one of my partitions, it asked for a reboot to complete installtion, during the reboot i got error that failed to start load kernel modules, then it says check systemct1 and load FUSE control, it continues to ok other checks and finally it hanged completely( freezes). I have tried recovery mode and did mount -o remount,rw/ but still no
[11:54] <derock299> luck
[11:55] <SpuxBow> hi
[11:55] <hateball> vooze: You'll still be able to pick a kernel in grub menu on boot
[11:55] <capio> DJones, yep that solved it. thanks
[11:57] <capio> Another question. i need to install django version 1.8 but its not in the servers. How do i go about and install it?
[11:57] <vooze> hateball, okay, testing 15.10 kernel now :)
[11:57] <vooze> thanks for your help
[11:58] <derock299> or if nobody knows the solution, please can somebody tell me how to view the files in my other partition , both partitions are ubuntu, one of the partitions is working
[11:59] <derock299> so how do u view the files in the other partition please
[12:00] <reisio> derock299: two Ubuntu installs?
[12:00] <taavi90> Hello, what is the name of the package that is the application finder..located in top of the left menu icon
[12:01] <derock299> i have two ubuntu (14.10 and 15,04) on the same pc, they are all working fine
[12:01] <reisio> dash?
[12:01] <reisio> derock299: does it not show on the left in file manager?
[12:01] <derock299> i did an upgrade on 15.04 to 15.0 , then during reboot i got error that it failed to load kernel
[12:02] <taavi90> reisio : was that a response to me...?
[12:02] <derock299> it continued to hang completely, now from the second partition i can see my other drive and some files but i cannot access the content of my home folder
[12:02] <reisio> taavi90: yup
[12:03] <derock299> if i log into the second partition, i can see the other partition on the left @reisio
[12:03] <reisio> derock299: what?
[12:03] <derock299> i can access the second partition too and some of its files, but the home folder is not showing all the files
[12:03] <taavi90> reisio : i dont find it under /usr/share/applications
[12:04] <cfhowlett> derock299, did you encrypt things??
[12:04] <noelia> Hello again
[12:04] <derock299> no ecryption just my login passwords
[12:04] <Capprentice> ?
[12:04] <derock299> the problem here is i cannot boot the other partition since upgrading to 15.10
[12:04] <derock299> it hangs completely
[12:05] <derock299> i did mount -o remount,rw/ but it doesnt work
[12:05] <KrysTaLiZed> !motu |iceCalt
[12:05] <noelia> How can I find out what ppa's I have installed?
[12:05] <derock299> i tried sudo apt-get remove --purge fglxr* but got errors
[12:05] <noelia> I need to uninstall them with ppa-purge but I don't know their names
[12:06] <derock299> please I need help guys
[12:06] <guest2225> No matter what screencast software I try, Kazam, recordmydesktop, avconv, ffmpeg, vlc, vokoscreen, and no matter what settings I fiddle with, high fps, or compression/no compression, avi/mp4/mkv, the video is always appearing choppy
[12:06] <guest2225> does anyone know why?
[12:07] <guest2225> I am using Ubuntu 14.04
[12:07] <guest2225> thanks
[12:08] <cfhowlett> guest2225, ONLY on self recorded video?  other video plays OK?
[12:08] <hateball> noelia: several ways, quick and dirty "cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*"
[12:08] <guest2225> indeed, all the other videos play fine
[12:08] <hateball> noelia: you may want to add some grep magic to that to get what you need
[12:08] <guest2225> it is only when I am trying to record something on the desktop, does this happen
[12:09] <guest2225> I am trying to record an animation that is generated by a program and that does not have the ability to save the animation
[12:10] <guest2225> It is then that the choppiness is observed in the quality
[12:10] <cfhowlett> guest2225, what program cannot save it's own output?
[12:10] <cfhowlett> *its*
[12:10] <guest2225> This is the gloss library of haskell
[12:10] <noelia> hateball Thank you, this is what I get:  deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/thopiekar/miraclecast/ubuntu vivid main
[12:11] <noelia> hateball However, there are more .list files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[12:11] <cfhowlett> guest2225, so it outputs a video?  pipe it to vlc and save it from there?
[12:11] <guest2225> when i run the program it produces a window in which the animation occurs
[12:11] <guest2225> but let met try piping
[12:12] <cfhowlett> guest2225, what player displays the video?
[12:12] <derock299> ALl i want is to bring my sytem back to working condition
[12:12] <hateball> noelia: files that are not empty? because it should just spit out line after line
[12:12] <derock299> it hangs completely during start up
[12:13] <cfhowlett> guest2225, perhaps ask the #haskell channel.  I suspect there's a way to capture/save that video without invoking another app.
[12:13] <guest2225> I am not surre that it uses an external player...it seeems that it generates its own window which can display that
[12:13] <cfhowlett> #haskell
[12:13] <guest2225> cfhowlett, indeed that question has been asked on haskell
[12:13] <guest2225> and apparently there is currently no way to save the genrated video
[12:14] <cfhowlett> guest2225, so an app that produces a video without save functionality ... d'oh!
[12:14] <guest2225> seems like it! I was surprised too
[12:15] <noelia> hateball This is the output of "ls" ----->  http://pastebin.com/f1nRppx8
[12:15] <guest2225> Maybe I  misunderstood something or stumbled upon incorrect information, but i searched a lot and I gather that it is not possible
[12:15] <noelia> I mean ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[12:16] <guest2225> piping into vlc does not work
[12:16] <derock299> could the issue be from my vbox
[12:16] <noelia> hateball these files are empty
[12:16] <guest2225> anyway, i wonder why my screencasts are coming choppy no matter what i do...
[12:16] <guest2225> My laptop is fairly fast
[12:17] <cfhowlett> guest2225, could be you're maxing your gpu's ram
[12:18] <guest2225> cfhowlett, I keep a track of the RAM using conky, and that seems to be fune
[12:18] <guest2225> *fine
[12:18] <cfhowlett> guest2225, I'm officially out of wild a* guesses then.
[12:19] <guest2225> cfhowlett, no problem! Thanks for trying!
[12:20] <derock299> it continued to hang completely, now from the second partition i can see my other drive and some files but i cannot access the content of my home folder
[12:20] <hateball> guest2225: seems you've tried a fair few programs already, but I found https://obsproject.com/download#linux to work well for me
[12:21] <derock299> i did an upgrade on 15.04 to 15.0 , then during reboot i got error that it failed to load kernel
[12:21] <derock299> please I need help guys
[12:24] <fabio_> Hello everyone
[12:25] <fabio_> Can somenone help me? I want to customize the ubuntu logo  on boot
[12:25] <fabio_> where is located?
[12:26] <fabio_> i think is on lib something
[12:26] <derock299>  hello please can somebody help me with a precise and detail solution to my problem? i upgraded from 15.04 to 15.10 on one of my partitions, it asked for a reboot to complete installtion, during the reboot i got error that failed to start load kernel modules, then it says check systemct1 and load FUSE control, it continues to ok other checks and finally it hanged completely( freezes). I have tried recovery mode and did mount -o remount,rw/ but still no
[12:27] <derock299> please can anybody help
[12:27] <noelia> hateball I previously removed the ppa lines with Ubuntu Software Centre
[12:28] <noelia> hateball Now I can't remove the ppa's, I thought removing the lines in Ubuntu Software Centre did the job.
[12:29] <hateball> noelia: have you added them all by using apt-add-repository, or have you manually entered some into /etc/apt/sources.list perhaps?
[12:30] <noelia> hateball I think I entered some of them into /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:30] <noelia> hateball I don't remember
[12:30] <hateball> noelia: well, have a look then :)
[12:31] <noelia> hateball I remember now, I added them in /etc/apt/sources.list, then I erased those lines
[12:32] <noelia> hateball I thought that was enough to erase the ppa's
[12:32] <rato_alado> Boot Logo -> /lib/plymouth/themes or create /usr/share/plymouth/themes
[12:34] <bdonnahue> hello. im tyring to run this command
[12:34] <bdonnahue>  gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-key 62B4981F
[12:34] <bdonnahue> but im getting a timeout
[12:34] <bdonnahue> can anyone help
[12:43] <sidnei> hi members!
[12:43] <reisio> ohai
[12:44] <sidnei> someware Brazilian?
[12:45] <derock299>  hello please can somebody help me with a precise and detail solution to my problem? i upgraded from 15.04 to 15.10 on one of my partitions, it asked for a reboot to complete installtion, during the reboot i got error that failed to start load kernel modules, then it says check systemct1 and load FUSE control, it continues to ok other checks and finally it hanged completely( freezes). I have tried recovery mode and did mount -o remount,rw/ but still no
[12:53] <derock299> it seems nobody can help me
[12:53] <derock299> thanks
[12:53] <derock299> bye
[12:53] <mac33> hi to everyone
[12:55] <mac33> where can I find (as I'd like to save) streaming flash video from website in ubuntu 15.40. It seems the new flash-plugin has just change the path where I before found the mp4
[12:56] <cfhowlett> videodownloader plugin for firefox is easier
[12:56] <sebastianlutter> how can I check if dependencies of an shared object file are fulfilled on my current ubuntu box? I know ldd and objdump, is there a tool available that follows the link tree in depth?
[12:57] <mekdouglas> flashgot extension for firefox is good too!
[12:57] <mac33> does it work with jw flash plug-in?
[12:59] <mac33> ok...when I'm looking for flash add-on I get a very long list of it
[13:01] <mac33> thank you to all
[13:09] <Knight80> Hello
[13:10] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:11] <snaik> hi
[13:11] <Knight80> Is it possible to install an ubuntu package designed for wily in Ubuntu 14.04?
[13:12] <Knight80> I need to install Ardour 4, which has more functionalities than Ardour 3, but 14.04 doesn't have Ardour 4 package
[13:12] <cfhowlett> inadviseable.  backports are better.
[13:12] <cfhowlett> failing that: install from sourcce
[13:13] <cookie80> Knight80: maybe it´s easier to install wily on a seperate partition
[13:14] <vooze> hateball, so even after upgrading kernel the problem was still there, but I found a script and modified it from askubuntu :) now it works
[13:17] <hateball> vooze: oh well :)
[13:20] <Knight80> The thing is everybody suggests me not to install ppa's, why is that?
[13:20] <cfhowlett> !ppa | Knight80
[13:20] <Knight80> ok
[13:22] <Horo_horo> Hey
[13:22] <vooze> Knight80, to be honest we all use PPAs (probably) just don't add PPA you dont know what are. Well known PPAs are probably fine :)
[13:24] <Ben64> yeah, if its a ppa that adds say... the newest version of mythtv, it's probably fine. if you add a ppa that updates libc, you might break your system
[13:24] <cfhowlett> vooze, only 1 and only because I was too impatient to wait for 16.04  http://paste.ubuntu.com/13329817/
[13:26] <vooze> cfhowlett, if the PPA just holds one application its not big deal. The problem is if the PPA have maybe 20 apps, and you just want to upgrade one.. and then maybe it will make others unstable.. Or even pull some bad system packages/libs
[13:26] <Knight80> vooze Thank you, I just need to install Ardour 4, which has more functionalities than Ardour 3, that's why I'm going to need to use a PPA
[13:26] <vooze> Knight80, google the app, you should get a link with all the packages inside the PPA :)
[13:26] <vooze> see if it seems okay
[13:26] <Ben64> i have a bunch -- solaar (for logitech wireless mouse), deluge, freecad, dolphin-emu, mpv, minetest, mythtv, firefox pepperflash, android studio, wine
[13:26] <vooze> google the PPA *
[13:27] <Ben64> oh and google-chrome
[13:27] <vooze> Yeah I probably have like 10 PPAs, no big deal :)
[13:27] <vooze> like libreoffice5 etc.
[13:28] <cfhowlett> Knight80, virtualbox + wiley = ardour4
[13:29] <Knight80> Thank you
[13:30] <Knight80> So, you don't recommend me to download Ardour 4 from packages.ubuntu.com and install it on Ubuntu Trusty (14.04)
[13:30] <Knight80> right?
[13:31] <cfhowlett> Knight80, download directly from ardour.org and install.
[13:31] <Knight80> cfhowlett There's no Ubuntu package there
[13:31] <cfhowlett> there is a linux package
[13:32] <Knight80> cfhowlett Source code
[13:32] <cfhowlett> I believe so
[13:33] <librercreation> yo
[13:33] <librercreation> hi !!
[13:34] <cfhowlett> librercreation, this is ubuntu support.  chitchat in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[13:36] <saretta> ciao
[13:36] <Knight80> I asked you this because someone told me once that installing Kxstudio (which contains Ardour 4) over Ubuntu 14.04 was not advisable
[13:36] <saretta> !list
[13:38] <Knight80> And another question: What's the best desktop environment in your opinion? I use xfce...
[13:39] <vooze> Knight80, just use a PPA, dont be so scared :)
[13:39] <vooze> http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2015/05/how-to-install-ardour-4-in-ubuntu-14-04/
[13:39] <rk443> galera
[13:39] <vooze> worst thing that can happen is you can purge the PPA
[13:39] <Knight80> vooze Thank you very much :)
[13:40] <vooze> you are welcome :)
[13:41] <vooze> In my view, part of the Linux experience, is to mess around with stuff
[13:41] <Knight80> vooze I agree with you
[13:41] <cfhowlett> Knight80, "best" = then one that works for you!  fwiw: ubuntustudio uses XFCE4
[13:42] <caeve> hello everyone, does gpt (GUID) partition table have any drawbacks with existing file systems or OSes? I never used it, and apparently it is preferrable to MBR
[13:42] <cfhowlett> caeve, are you dualbooting?
[13:43] <caeve> cfhowlett, I have more than one systems on my machine, if I understand your question right
[13:43] <caeve> system*
[13:43] <root3> Hey
[13:43] <root3> Hey
[13:43] <cfhowlett> caeve, IF you system is GPT capable, i.e. newish, should be no problem
[13:44] <caeve> cfhowlett, if 14.04.3 is newish enough, yes :)
[13:44] <cfhowlett> caeve, the MACHINE not the OS :)
[13:45] <caeve> cfhowlett, oh :) no, it is not the newest.
[13:45] <cfhowlett> 2014 or later is probably running on GPT: sudo gdisk -l will tell you
[13:45] <caeve> cfhowlett, how old may the machine be to be compatible?
[13:46] <caeve> cfhowlett, oh, sorry, saw your answer
[13:46] <cfhowlett> caeve, sudo fdisk -l will tell yoiu
[13:47] <caeve> cfhowlett, I cannot find a gpt-related entry in the output
[13:48] <cfhowlett> caeve,  then you are on mbr
[13:48] <caeve> cfhowlett, yes, I'd created my HDD partitions with MBR.
[13:48] <cfhowlett> caeve, you can still dualboot with mbr.
[13:49] <caeve> cfhowlett, my question on gpt relates to external drives. I will not need to boot with it
[13:50] <cfhowlett> caeve, grrr!  little details like that do matter!  :)
[13:50] <cfhowlett> so you want a mbr to boot and a gpt for external storage.  doable
[13:50] <caeve> cfhowlett..sorry!
[13:51] <cfhowlett> but you might need to do so exotic configuring to make that fly.  over my head, but I'd guess a luks type setup.  ask the #ubuntu-server for more expert guidance.
[13:51] <kappa1> http://askubuntu.com/questions/641031/does-ubuntu-store-passwords-from-failed-login-attempts  -  is it possible to save passwords from failed logins?
[13:51] <caeve> cfhowlett, how does encryption relate to compatibility? :)
[13:52] <cfhowlett> it adds a layer of complexity.  again: server channel has more of those types of set-ups.  we mostly do desktop stuff here.
[13:54] <caeve> cfhowlett, I will go there and ask..thank you very much for your help!
[13:54] <cfhowlett> best of luck!
[13:54] <caeve> thank you :)
[13:55] <arch> /lib/firmware << is OK to add firmware directly in to this folder and have it work??!
[13:55] <dupingping> hi, robert_ancell:
[13:55] <cfhowlett> arch, install via the command line.  adding software to random folders cannot end well.
[13:56] <TJ-> caeve: Most BIOS of the last 10 years can read GPT as well as MBR, and UEFI systesm *must* be able to read both.
[13:57] <_ACID_> Hey
[13:57] <arch> cfhowlett, with what via command line web for me?
[13:57] <caeve> TJ- I havent heard of the last one, but my machine is sure younger than 10 years.
[13:59] <arch> cfhowlett, going to web thanks for your help :~)
[14:01] <Daleus> Hi guys, nouveau is broken for tri-monitor on Ubuntu 15.10 (fresh install), however works out of the box on 15.04 - does anyone know the name of the package or packages to pin for nouveau so that tri-monitor works after 15.10 upgrade?
[14:02] <caeve> cfhowlett, TJ- if the output of 'sudo dmidecode -s bios-release-date' means the manufacture date, then it also confirms that the machine is young enough.
[14:03] <TJ-> caeve: its easy to test it; put a basic GRUB install on a GPT USB flash drive and see if GRUB loads
[14:03] <TJ-> caeve: if the BIOS cannot read the GPT it'll report no boot device
[14:03] <vooze> I just made this short guide, how do I make it solved? http://askubuntu.com/questions/699615/how-to-setup-intel-rapid-start
[14:03] <caeve> TJ- sure, I can try that
[14:04] <tsousa> how can i install django version 1.8 when i have version 1.6 in my desktop?
[14:09] <somsip> tsousa: use virtualenv.
[14:15] <Pici> somsip: thanks for suggesting a virtualenv, its nice to see sane python suggestions in here :)
[14:16] <somsip> Pici: in my limited python experience, I did learn that virtualenv saves a lot of headaches.
[14:16] <tsousa> Pici, why is that? people suck at python here?
[14:16] <Pici> tsousa: If you aren't sure how to use a virtualenv, we can give you a hand in setting it up in #python :)
[14:16] <somsip> tsousa: well, it's a bit offtopic really. Go where Pici recommends
[14:17] <Pici> tsousa: no, just that Python best practices are not known to people just familiar with Linux/Ubuntu
[14:18] <reisio> lot of python best practices are just culty nonsense :)
[14:18] <reisio> also, s/python/foo/
[14:23] <Daleus> nouveau is broken for tri-monitor on Ubuntu 15.10 (fresh install), however works out of the box on 15.04 - does anyone know the name of the package or packages to pin for nouveau so that tri-monitor works after 15.10 upgrade?
[14:26] <Horo_horo> What's is this channel talks about?
[14:26] <hateball> !support | Horo_horo
[14:26] <Pici> Horo_horo: This is the official support channel for Ubuntu. We have a non-support chat channel at #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:27] <Horo_horo> ubuntu OS?
[14:28] <Daleus> Horo_horo, Yes, Ubuntu OS.
[14:28] <niknak23> Hi, can anyone suggest a handy applet for google calendar? Many thanks
[14:30] <Horo_horo> Ubuntu Server is good?
[14:30] <zack_> have been running ubuntu server for some times now.
[14:30] <zack_> never failed
[14:30] <Horo_horo> better than debian?
[14:30] <reisio> Horo_horo: quite impossible
[14:31] <zack_> well, i've never used pure debian
[14:31] <zack_> btw, ubuntu is already debian based
[14:31] <hateball> !ot
[14:31] <i_> whois
[14:31] <zack_> what you're asking is basically the same i think
[14:32] <Horo_horo> I'm gonna try Ubuntu server!
[14:32] <Daleus> Debian is awesome. Ubuntu server until this newest release has been my favourite - but 'There was an error type journtalctl -xe to view' haunts my dreams..
[14:32] <zack_> you should. use LTS, longer support
[14:33] <Horo_horo> Thanks zack_
[14:33] <zack_> can you elaborate on that error? never seen before
[14:33] <Horo_horo> are you talking to mee?
[14:34] <zack_> no, was talking @ Daleus, curious about the error type
[14:34] <Daleus> Basically, whenever a service or daemon has an error instead of leaving normal logs, or showing errors it bundles them away in journalctl (fucking systemd)
[14:34] <niknak23> can anyone tell me how to find a channel list? Thanks
[14:35] <Daleus> I'm not used to it and cannot see the advantage to it at all. Doesn't even work properly in a tmux session either cuts off half of the error.
[14:36] <zack_> i see. I just have a ubuntu vps. Never had been to the point to look back at the logs and pin point problems.
[14:37] <zack_> i'm familiar with screen, is tmux better?
[14:37] <reisio> tmux is newer
[14:37] <Daleus> zack_, Well, that's all personal choice - I prefer tmux for window splitting
[14:37] <reisio> most people only use a tiny fraction of screen's features, though
[14:38] <zack_> screen is quite buggy when using full screen stuff like nano or vi for that matter
[14:38] <zack_> the cursor just keep jumping lines
[14:38] <zack_> had to do a reset
[14:38] <zack_> does tmux have that kind of problem?
[14:39] <reisio> nope, screen isn't buggy
[14:39] <reisio> but you can try tmux and compare on your own
[14:39] <zack_> the idea of learning a new set of keyboard commands taunts me.
[14:39] <zack_> i meant shortcuts
[14:39] <Daleus> zack_, you can set it to the same key bindings as screen
[14:40] <Daleus> however, for general stuff (close window, open window whatever else) just remember that it's ctrl +b 'a'
[14:40] <Daleus> instead of ctrl + a 'a'
[14:41] <Horo_horo> How can I create a channel?
[14:41] <zack_> have you guys ever tried hosting irc service on a linux vps?
[14:41] <maj_jay> hey anybody know a  good C++ game development program like Unity for linux?
[14:41] <Daleus> Horo_horo, '/join #yourchannel'
[14:41] <hateball> maj_jay: Unity is available on Linux
[14:42] <zack_> i tried some, but couldn't get it to work. the Identd is messing up everything
[14:42] <maj_jay> oh really? i thought it was windows only. is it through wine?
[14:42] <Daleus> zack_, be careful with that lots of VPS providers state in their T&C that IRC servers aren't allowed and some even take steps to stop you creating one.
[14:42] <hateball> !who | maj_jay
[14:42] <BluesKaj> Horo_horo, ask in #freenode
[14:42] <ganymede> Hello. Has anyone got a dual boot Ubuntu/MacOS running with encryption?
[14:42] <hateball> maj_jay: http://blogs.unity3d.com/2015/08/26/unity-comes-to-linux-experimental-build-now-available/
[14:43] <reisio> ganymede: probably someone
[14:43] <zack_> @Daleus thanks, i'll take a look at their TOS
[14:43] <maj_jay> hateball: cool thanks \m/!
[14:43] <Tashtari> Hey all.  Curiosity, I noticed that my kernel was listed as "tainted" in a logging message, I looked into it, and all the flags seemed to be about kernel modules (non-GPL, out-of-tree, and unsigned)... is there an easy way to tell what kernel modules are considered tainted so I can decide whether it's a problem?
[14:43] <ganymede> reisio: I am having trouble dual booting with full disk (well, full partition) encryption
[14:44] <reisio> ganymede: bummer
[14:45] <mekhami> hm
[14:45] <zack_> reisio: i've never booted with encryption before though. sounds interesting
[14:46] <Guest46665> hi, my mouse cursor is invisible after installing kernel 4.3 (ubuntu 15.04). after logging in a crash report "virtualbox-dkms 4.3.26-dfsg-2ubuntu2: virtualbox kernel module failed to build" appears. can u help me pls
[14:46] <Daleus> Guest46665, Is this with a Windows guest?
[14:46] <reisio> L0: it's a nice way to encrypt things
[14:46] <Guest46665> my ubuntu host system has the problem
[14:47] <Guest46665> virtualbox is installed
[14:47] <L0> reisio: tell me how you did it.
[14:47] <L0> Guest46665: the best option is to reinstall virtualbox so it compiles virtualbox kernels again
[14:48] <ganymede> i find full disk encrpytion and dual booting is a pain. There'a guide for windows/ubuntu but apparently not for mac
[14:48] <L0> it's a pain to dual boot anything with mac
[14:48] <akik> Tashtari: you can list the module's license with "modinfo -l module"
[14:48] <Guest46665> L0, ok. I will try this...
[14:49] <ganymede> L0: I must just remove mac os entirely.
[14:49] <akik> Tashtari: this page lists reason why you could get the tainted message http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/118116/linux-what-is-a-tainted-kernel
[14:49] <reisio> L0: I just use encfs for non-full-disk
[14:50] <ganymede> encfs isn't secure though :(
[14:50] <L0> reisio: i thought that was wasn't secure
[14:50] <L0> reisio: the installation process even stated that
[14:51] <Daleus> ganymede, Perhaps it might be easier to leave off full disk encryption and just encrypt your home folder? I have tried this before and the only way to make it work (imo) is to have ubuntu on a seperate hard disk - reFind on OSX can boot from it still
[14:51] <L0> back in the days when i used home folder encryption, i went to the source folder and thought it was just consuming disk space and deleted them LOL
[14:51] <reisio> encfs is secure
[14:52] <ganymede> Daleus: I have considered that, but the OS leaks data, for example in temp files. Still, it's a valid suggestion.
[14:52] <L0> reisio: https://defuse.ca/audits/encfs.htm
[14:53] <reisio> L0: I've read it, and you have not
[14:53] <L0> the result of the audit says it wasn't isn't it?
[14:53] <lolzaux> exit
[14:53] <reisio> L0: you're asking because you haven't read it
[14:53] <L0> reisio: it's true i have not, i've only seen the warning
[14:53] <Daleus> ganymede, place /tmp/ within /home (joking!)
[14:53] <mekhami> how can i debug DNS issues? I have perfect connection sto some things and no connections from others, but i have no idea how to go about debugging that
[14:53] <reisio> L0: while you're letting other people convince you of imaginary things, you owe me $50
[14:54] <Daleus> mekhami, try 'nslookup' and 'dig' tools
[14:54] <mekhami> i tried to add google's nameservers to my dns settings yesterday but it seems it didn't work
[14:54] <Daleus> mekhami, example to check 'yahoo.co.jp' against google's dns server: nslookup yahoo.co.jp 8.8.8.8 - have fun!
[14:55] <L0> reisio: if i remember correctly i saw that warning from the installation package
[14:55] <L0> while installing
[14:55] <mekhami> Daleus: how exactly do i do that?
[14:55] <reisio> L0: a hundred people warning about something they haven't read is just as useless as a one
[14:56] <Daleus> mekhami, take a look at the last message
[14:56] <mekhami> Daleus: ah sorry my eyes missed that one
[14:56] <mekhami> Daleus: yeah this hangs on that, connection timed out
[14:56] <reisio> s/a o/ o/
[14:56] <L0> reisio: true, i couldn't really understand it since no background in cryptography and suck at math
[14:57] <caeve> hello again, I cannot find any encryption option in gparted. I wonder if there isnt any, or am I not seeing it?
[14:57] <Daleus> mekhami, can you ping 8.8.8.8 (example?)
[14:57] <zaggi> well well well
[14:57] <mekhami> Network is unreachable
[14:57] <mekhami> yet here I am =P
[14:57] <ganymede> L0: reisio, that paper seems quite damning. it says encfs is "probably" safe if you don't get to see 2 different snapshots of the same file. but since encfs doesnt hide the dir structure and date stamps it seems easy to find a file and its backup file
[14:58] <Daleus> mekhami, That sounds....wrong
[14:59] <L0> is it the same thing ubuntu used to encrypt home directory?
[14:59] <Daleus> mekhami, if you're using dhcp you can always try "sudo dhclient eth0" where eth0 is your network device - might reset some of the dodgy values for you!
[14:59] <artisanIndia> I have two arrays ['0' => '5', '1' => '10', '2' => 14] and ['5' => 'firstIndex', '10' => 'secondIndex', '14' => 'lastIndex']; I want to compare them index to value and pluck the odd one out as happens in array_diff
[15:00] <luv_> hola hermanos
[15:00] <Pici> artisanIndia: hi, this is #ubuntu, I think you're probably looking for another channel.
[15:00] <maksud> hello
[15:00] <artisanIndia> oops
[15:00] <artisanIndia> sorry
[15:00] <artisanIndia> my bad
[15:00] <maksud> anybody can help me
[15:00] <Pici> maksud: you need to ask a real question first.
[15:00] <reisio> ganymede: 'seems'? :p
[15:00] <luv_> pueden ayudarme?
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> !es | luv_
[15:01] <maksud> ya sure, @Pici, how can use vpn & use facebook, cause some reason, in our country right now facebook off from our government, so now how can i use facebook by using vpn connection?
[15:01] <mekhami> Daleus: 'Cannot find device 'eth0''
[15:02] <mekhami> so something is pretty messed up here hah
[15:02] <zaggi> e
[15:02] <Daleus> mekhami - yes 'where eth0 is your network device'
[15:02] <L0> mekhami: try 'ifconfig' see if you can list your network card/device
[15:03] <Pici> maksud: I'm afraid I don't know much about settin up vpns, perhaps someone else here can point you in the right direction.
[15:03] <mekhami> L0: my ethernet connection seems to be called 'enp2s0'
[15:03] <mekhami> Daleus eth0 should be my network device
[15:03] <mekhami> it was in the past anyway.
[15:03] <mekhami> is this one of those situations where maybe i should just reboot and see what happens, hah
[15:04] <L0> mekhami: try it with your ethernet card name, whatever command you've failed just now
[15:04] <alias__> what should I do to have landscape report debian updates? We managed our ubuntu nodes with landscape but we also have several debian nodes where we'd like to do the same. Any ideas?
[15:04] <L0> maksud: try using openvpn there are many free openvpn servers to use
[15:04] <mekhami> RTNETLINK answers: File exists
[15:05] <zaggi> exit
[15:05] <Daleus> zaggynl,  this is not a terminal :)
[15:05] <zaggynl> Daleus: highlight revenge!
[15:05] <mekhami> Daleus: it is for me! =P
[15:06] <L0> mekhami: what was the command again?
[15:06] <mekhami> Daleus: this is what happened with dhclient enp2s0: RTNETLINK answers: File exists
[15:06] <Daleus> zaggynl, haha - the dude quit before I messaged him and my tabbing isn't fast enough
[15:06] <mekhami> L0 sudo dhclient enp2s0
[15:06] <Daleus> mekhami, I'm not even sure what type of connection that is...
[15:06] <mekhami> me either.
[15:06] <L0> mekhami: have you tried disabling your ethernet and enabling again?
[15:06] <mekhami> it should just be a normal ethernet
[15:07] <Daleus> mekhami, L0, - Perhaps a reboot would take care of this? worst case scenario it allows mekhami to setup his connection again... to his preference.
[15:07] <kk_drop> is there any way to call openvpn and add proxy after it connect to vpn network?
[15:07] <L0> mekhami: like ifconfig card_name down; ifconfig card_name up
[15:08] <L0> kk_drop: you can set proxy from browser as well, so yes.
[15:08] <L0> kk_drop: try the program called proxychains
[15:11] <Guest15652> well
[15:11] <mekhami_> alright L0 Daleus i killed processes for network manager and dnsmasq (and uninstalled dnsmasq) and i seem to be back to 'normal'
[15:11] <devsys> Hi all, I'm trying to resolve a slow dns issue, when I time my curl command, it takes 5 seconds. On another server set with identical nameservers in resolv.conf and on the same network as the first machine, it takes .2 seconds. Any ideas what I can look at? Thanks!
[15:11] <L0> mekhami_: oh right, should have asked you to restart network manager first
[15:12] <mekhami_> now how do i actually change my dns servers
[15:12] <L0> mekhami_: it could be done with 'sudo service network-manager restart'
[15:12] <mekhami_> L0: i tried that several tiems before and it didn't work, so i just killed the process heh
[15:13] <L0> mekhami_: i see. i've never changed dns server on linux though.
[15:13] <BluesKaj> mekhami_, if you're on 15.10 then its sudo systemctl restart network-manager
[15:13] <L0> mekhami_: oh, /etc/resolv.conf
[15:15] <devsys> service avahi-daemon status
[15:15] <devsys> dammit
[15:15] <Tashtari> Hey all.  Curiosity, I noticed that my kernel was listed as "tainted" in a logging message, I looked into it, and all the flags seemed to be about kernel modules (non-GPL, out-of-tree, and unsigned)... is there an easy way to tell what kernel modules are considered tainted so I can decide whether it's a problem?
[15:16] <badbodh> i guess proprietary drivers. g-card, wifi etc
[15:16] <reisio> Tashtari: lsmod
[15:16] <reisio> if they were a problem, your distro wouldn't provide them
[15:16] <badbodh> for absolutely un-tainted ubuntu, use trisquel :D
[15:17] <akik> Tashtari: did you test "modinfo -l module" ?
[15:17] <reisio> you can use any kernel with any distro
[15:17] <reisio> not something you change distro over, entirely pointless
[15:17] <ich_> I have an usb flash drive which isn't recognized by my system (ubuntu 15.04) http://pastebin.com/RSSpkQ1W. I don't know if the usb stick is unfixable. can u help me?
[15:18] <reisio> ich_: https://www.google.com/search?q=%221f75%3A0917%22
[15:18] <kappa1> how can I see to where the shortcuts that are in /usr/bin point to?
[15:19] <reisio> kappa1: readlink /usr/bin/foo
[15:19] <kappa1> thanks!
[15:19] <reisio> kappa1: or ls -al
[15:23] <L0> ich_: that log seems fine to me. why it is not detected?
[15:27] <ich_> L0, I don't see it in the file manager or with gparted or lsblk after plugging it in. I think I will try this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/97785/usb-media-filesystem-problem
[15:32] <Daleus>  #ubuntu - nouveau doesn't work on 15.10 triple monitor but works on 15.04 without any issues - so I held libdrm-nouveau2 and xserver-xorg-video-nouveau and upgraded to 15.10 - not only does trip monitor still not work but now I have graphical glitches - am I stuck on 15.04 forever?
[15:42] <triss> hey all. I've just done a dist upgrade 15.04 -> 15.10
[15:44] <triss> but it blows up half way through
[15:44] <triss> it can't find dependancies for these packages: http://pastie.org/10565323
[15:44] <triss> can anyone recommend a way to fix this?
[15:44] <triss> I'm scared to reboot with a half finished dist-upgrade
[15:45] <triss> I'm happy to uninstall all kubuntu based stuff(I don't use it) if this will ease process but can't work out how to do it
[15:45] <auronandace> !dist-upgrade | triss
[15:46] <triss> oh. wasn't aware of that. thanks.
[15:47] <triss> unfortnately i still have same issue when attempting upgrade
[15:48] <devsys> Hi all, I am trying to track down a dns resolution issue. I'm getting slow responses on Ubuntu Server 14.05. if I do a "time curl domain.com" or "time wget domain.com" it takes over 5 seconds. On another machine, with the same nameservers in resolv.conf it takes less than a half of a second. I tried disabling IPv6, didn't help. Any ideas what else I can check
[15:48] <triss> sudo apt-get -f upgrade gives different error:
[15:49] <triss> http://pastie.org/10565342
[15:51] <dan-k> My wifi doesnt work properly, there are instructions on the ubuntu website on how to make my network card work but I dont understand how to do it, could anyone help? " rtl8723be
[15:51] <dan-k> 	
[15:51] <dan-k> Yes with Modprobe Options
[15:51] <dan-k> 	
[15:51] <dan-k> Ubuntu 15.04 - Requires "options rtl8723be msi=1 ips=0" in /etc/modprobe.d/rtl8723be.conf file on some boxes (HP455G2) "
[15:51] <dan-k> there is no 'etc/modprobe.d/rtl8723be.conf' file
[15:52] <auronandace> dan-k: try creating it
[15:52] <dan-k> I tried in the file browser but permission denied, I'm new to linux so I dont know how to do it in the terminal
[15:53] <dan-k> auronandace could you explain like im 5? lol
[15:54] <auronandace> dan-k: sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/rtl8723be.conf
[15:54] <auronandace> distrodan see above
[15:54] <simon^^> Hi! I am using sbuild to cross compile a suite of dpkg packages for ARM. The some packages depend on other packages to be built and installed. How is this generally handled?
[15:55] <distrodan> thanks auronandace I'm now looking at a GNU nano screen in terminal
[15:55] <auronandace> distrodan: that will create the file and open it for editing, then add that line (options rtl8723be msi=1 ips=0) and press ctrl X to save
[15:57] <distrodan> thanks auronandace :) the file name ends in .conf.save for some reason
[15:58] <distrodan> should i delete the .save so its rtl8723be.conf
[15:58] <distrodan> like the ubuntu site says
[15:58] <auronandace> distrodan: have you saved and exited?
[15:58] <distrodan> yeah i saved and exited, i cant rename it actually
[15:59] <distrodan> hmm
[15:59] <wootehfoot> Hello! Where's the PPA with latest Eclipse builds? The repo only has 3.x builds.
[15:59] <auronandace> distrodan: sudo mv rtl8723be.conf.save rtl8723be.conf
[16:00] <auronandace> distrodan: sorry, you should use the full path: /etc/modprobe.d/rtl....
[16:01] <somsip> !ppa | wootehfoot (try the search)
[16:02] <distrodan> ah great thanks aurondace, that renamed it
[16:02] <distrodan> although its mimetype is different to the other .conf files in the folder
[16:03] <distrodan> do you think that will make a difference?
[16:03] <auronandace> distrodan: just to double check, reopen it with nano to see if it has the option blah blah that you put in it
[16:03] <distrodan> yep it has that line saved :)
[16:04] <wootehfoot> somazero, PPAs from 2010 are the latest, and others only compile part of the environment. Will download separately.
[16:04] <auronandace> distrodan: good stuff, the simplest way to test is to restart, if your wifi is working great, if not just remove the file with sudo rm
[16:05] <distrodan> ah actually i just noticed the info on the ubuntu site says its for 15.04
[16:05] <distrodan> im on 14.04
[16:05] <PMunch> Hi, I'm trying to dual boot something along with my Ubuntu intsall. In the intsaller I'm asked for a /boot/efi partition which typically is shared between systems. Ubuntu however does not seem to have created one, where is it?
[16:05] <auronandace> distrodan: are there other conf files in that directory apart from the one you just created?
[16:06] <distrodan> yeah 16
[16:06] <distrodan> including that new one
[16:06] <auronandace> distrodan: good, it will be used then
[16:08] <distrodan> thanks :D i might be back in a bit for some more noob help lol
[16:10] <adrian_1908> hello, I have problem with GDM. Ever since I installed fglrx yesterday, GDM will fail to launch. When I switch to tty1, log in there and manually start the GDM service, it starts just fine. I have removed fglrx again, reinstalled XOrg components and ran the reconfigure command, but to no avail. Any suggestions?
[16:11] <BottomNotch> I would be willing yo bet $10 that no one here is willing or can help me.
[16:11] <BottomNotch> *be willing to bet
[16:11] <auronandace> BottomNotch: depends on your issue
[16:11] <somsip> BottomNotch: depends on your attitude
[16:12] <BottomNotch> I need help getting my serial touch screen working
[16:12] <Daleus> BottomNotch, touch screen? keep the $10.
[16:12] <Daleus> BottomNotch, I kid, what's up?
[16:13] <ganymede> everytime he touches the screen, it moves the mouse pointer? :-)
[16:13] <Afdla> Hey. I installed apache2 and tried to setup a virtualhost like instructed here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP#Virtual_Hosts to allow access to /home/user/public_html/ but I still get 403 and apache log says "Permission denied because search permissions are missing on a component of the path". What do?
[16:14] <PMunch> Anyone know anything about the UEFI boot issue`
[16:14] <PMunch> ?*
[16:15] <ganymede> Enough to know there's more than one issue with UEFI boot. What exactly is the problem?
[16:15] <auronandace> PMunch: not sure how far you'll get not being specific
[16:15] <PMunch> Repost: Hi, I'm trying to dual boot something along with my Ubuntu intsall. In the intsaller I'm asked for a /boot/efi partition which typically is shared between systems. Ubuntu however does not seem to have created one, where is it?
[16:16] <ganymede> You are installing windows after ubuntu?
[16:16] <PMunch> No, Manjaro
[16:17] <ganymede> Ah ok. I am afraid I dont know how manjaro installers work, so I have to sit out.
[16:17] <auronandace> isn't the efi partition a tiny fat32 partition at the beginning of your disk?
[16:17] <somsip> PMunch: it's not supported here, and I'm not sure where
[16:18] <BottomNotch> sorry if someone gave any words of advice, your gonna hav to repeat yourself, I got disconnected.
[16:18] <marcanuy> How to use mutt as the MTA used by cron to send emails with crontab's MAILTO variable? http://askubuntu.com/questions/699667/how-to-use-mutt-as-the-mail-transport-agent-used-by-crontab
[16:18] <ganymede> BottomNotch: All we heard was that you have a serial touch screen, but nothing else
[16:18] <somsip> PMunch: its #manjaro
[16:18] <PMunch> somsip, I'm not really asking about anything Manjaro related. I'm just wondering what Ubuntu does with /boot/efi and where/if the partition is.
[16:19] <PMunch> And I'm already chatting with the guys in Manjaro
[16:19] <somsip> PMunch: you seem to be contradicting yourself in a way that seems less than truthful. So I'm out
[16:19] <fassl> can anybody help with grub blinking cursor on hardware raid?
[16:20] <BottomNotch> ganymede: it doesn't work at all.  I'm running trusty on a lenovo thinkpad x61 tablet, the touchscreen is on /dev/tty
[16:20] <auronandace> PMunch: sudo parted -l
[16:20] <BottomNotch> oops, hit enter by accident
[16:20] <BottomNotch> it's on /dev/ttyS4
[16:21] <BottomNotch> sudo inputattach --drivername doesn't work
[16:21] <BottomNotch> mtouch does do somthing but it act's really crazy and weird
[16:21] <BottomNotch> callibration doesn't help either.
[16:22] <BottomNotch> does anyone have any ideas on what I can do to get it working?
[16:24] <PMunch> somsip, I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough. It was never my intention to lie..
[16:24] <m431str0m> hi all
[16:24] <m431str0m> first time here. Just started learning a thing or two about linux, trying to learn for lpi 101 & 102 exams, went through the courses for 101 and started taking all kinds of exam questions wherever i find them. Do you know any good exercise books i could use?
[16:25] <PMunch> auronandace, do you want me to pastebin it for you or was it just a hint to where I could find it?
[16:25] <PMunch> The problem is that it's not there..
[16:25] <BottomNotch> So does no one know how I can get my touchscreen working again?
[16:25] <MonkeyDust> m431str0m  #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:25] <auronandace> m431str0m: probably better asked in #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic as this channel is for ubuntu support issues only
[16:25] <m431str0m> ah sorry, as I said new to this, will try there 10x
[16:26] <BottomNotch> I'm sorry, not working again, working period, I has never worked on ubuntu, only on windows.
[16:28] <auronandace> PMunch: i don't have much experience with UEFI systems, the only one i got i changed to legacy boot and formatted it with ms-dos style rather than gpt
[16:28] <BottomNotch> I don't think I'm ever gonna have a touchscreen on ubuntu :/  maybe I can call microsoft technical support and atleast get it working on windows 10
[16:29] <triss> hey all. do people think its worth me doing a reinstall? I've tried removing references from /var/lib/dpkg/status and removing debs from dpkg archive
[16:29] <triss> ?
[16:29] <auronandace> BottomNotch: my main screen is a touchscreen on my ideapad and it works fine on ubuntu
[16:29] <triss> I really need this machne back up in a few hours
[16:30] <PMunch> Hmm, I might boot back into Ubuntu (in the live part of Manjaro now) and see if that can clear some things up..
[16:30] <BottomNotch> auronandace: how old is it?  the thinkpad x61 tablet is pretty old.
[16:31] <auronandace> BottomNotch: not as old as your x61
[16:31] <MonkeyDust> triss  start from the beginning, what brings you here
[16:31] <BottomNotch> auronandace: is it a serial touchscreen?
[16:32] <triss> oh sorry. posted details at 3:42....
[16:32] <auronandace> BottomNotch: no, it is the actual laptop screen
[16:32] <triss> I'm doing an upgrade from 15.04 to 15.10
[16:32] <MonkeyDust> triss  in which timezone?
[16:33] <triss> but it won't complete telling me the following: http://pastie.org/10565323
[16:33] <auronandace> triss: it would be far more straightforward to install afresh than deal with the mess you are in at the moment
[16:33] <MonkeyDust> triss  simply hit the up arrow to repeat the question
[16:33] <triss> UK timezone GMT+0
[16:34] <triss> auronandace: I'm one of those foolish people that doesn't back up very often
[16:34] <BottomNotch> auronandace: what version of ubuntu are you running?  google tells me that poeple have had their x61 tablet working with touch on older versions but not when they upgraded to trusty.
[16:34] <auronandace> triss: then this is a good lesson for you
[16:34] <triss> indeed!
[16:35] <triss> ok ISO download time
[16:35] <auronandace> triss: you are still in ubuntu now so you can backup all the files and documents that are important to you
[16:36] <auronandace> BottomNotch: hmm, sounds like a driver got depreciated in the kernel
[16:36] <auronandace> BottomNotch: i'm on 15.10
[16:39] <BottomNotch> auronandace: I really just need to get a new laptop. the screen isn't even capacitive, when it was working on windows before windows 10 I kept my finger nails long so it would be easier to use the touchscreen XD
[16:41] <auronandace> BottomNotch: i can recommend the ideapad flex 10 tha i am using for work, even though the touchscreen is fully operational i hardly ever touch it, just not conducive to my workflow
[16:43] <minas114> Hi. I'm on a laptop with the NVIDIA optimus, using the open source nouveau driver (which as I know, supports switching). How can I get the version of the NVIDIA GPU?
[16:43] <BottomNotch> auronandace: better than what I have now, but I'll probbaly want to get somthing with a little beefier specs, I want to do some casual gamming.
[16:44] <BottomNotch> auronandace: I think we are getting a bit off topic
[16:44] <auronandace> minas114: lspci will list your hardware, take a look at the VGA line
[16:45] <minas114> auronandace, Found it, it's GeForce 840M. Is there a way to run a program using that GPU?
[16:46] <auronandace> minas114: not sure what you mean exactly
[16:47] <minas114> auronandace, Correct me if I'm wrong: Wen a program runs, it uses the Intel GPU, but the driver can switch to the NVIDIA one if necessary. What I want to do is to run a program, e.g firefox using the nvidia GPU myself.
[16:47] <minas114> *when
[16:49] <auronandace> minas114: i wouldn't know how to do that sorry
[16:49] <minas114> auronandace, No problem, thanks anyway
[16:50] <django_> hey all
[16:50] <django_> id like to low ubuntu graphics so that computer goes faster
[16:51] <MonkeyDust> django_  try a lighter DE
[16:51] <django_> MonkeyDust: DE?
[16:51] <auronandace> django_: desktop environment
[16:51] <wootehfoot> Anyone here that remembers how to enable mouse interrupt mode to increase power saving?
[16:51] <auronandace> django_: if you are using the default that comes with ubuntu that would be unity
[16:51] <django_> do i have to reinstall Ubuntu?
[16:52] <MonkeyDust> django_  no, install lxde or xfce, logout, switch, login
[16:52] <wootehfoot> django_, that's entirely possible, try Ubuntu MATE, Xubuntu, or Lubuntu for lowest memory usage.
[16:52] <ganymede> In my opinion Lubuntu is the lightest.
[16:53] <wootehfoot> django_, when I installed xfce on ubuntu pretty much every configuration file got replaced, and everything was jumbled.
[16:53] <wootehfoot> django_, if you can, do reinstall
[16:53] <django_> :(
[16:53] <auronandace> django_: if you don't need any bells and whistles then a window manager might be the best option, they can take a bit of getting used to though
[16:53] <MonkeyDust> django_  take o look here, to get an idea http://imgur.com/a/9iaLJ#cMfLqdM
[16:53] <wootehfoot> django_, if reinstall is not an option go for lxde
[16:53] <nicomachus> ganymede: that's not really an opinion, it IS the lightest. only needs 512 mb of ram
[16:54] <wootehfoot> django_, lxde has least amount of gtk dependencies
[16:54] <wootehfoot> django_, = least amount of probabbility for conflicts
[16:54] <django_> From what i understood i can go from 3DUnity to 2D
[16:54] <wootehfoot> django_, yes, try trat first
[16:54] <wootehfoot> h*
[16:54] <ganymede> Lubuntu is LXDE. I've used it and it's not terrible.
[16:54] <django_> what about gnome?
[16:55] <wootehfoot> django_, gnome is pretty much Ubuntu MATE now
[16:55] <ganymede> gnome 3.x is quite heavyweight. Gnome 2x is deprecated
[16:55] <django_> ubuntu MATE?
[16:55] <wootehfoot> django_, google and look at screens, you'll recognize that it's pretty much gnome
[16:55] <auronandace> django_: gnome-shell is not really lighter than unity, they are about the same, mate is the continuation of gnome2 and is somewhat lighter but notas light as lxde
[16:56] <ganymede> if you were deciding purely on footprint, LXDE is the lightest modern one
[16:57] <ganymede> and you can install lxde without re-installing, as there's a package name for it, that i don't remember
[16:57] <nicomachus> is there any way to figure out what type of file /dev/input/js0 is?
[16:57] <nicomachus> I can't open it from terminal at all
[16:58] <zykotick9> nicomachus: fyi, /dev/input/js0 is a device (a joystick) you shouldn't be ablt to "open" it.
[16:58] <wootehfoot> django_, MATE is a fork of gnome2 by the way, so it's identical
[16:58] <nicomachus> that would explain it then...
[16:58] <django_> will this take long?
[16:58] <django_> also is it a huge performance different?
[16:59] <wootehfoot> django_, it's 2D by default, 3D is optional
[16:59] <ganymede> the Lubuntu/LXDE gui is a lot quicker on older machines as unity needs 3d acceleration
[16:59] <nicomachus> zykotick9: I'm trying to figure out the axis-mapping for a gamepad...
[16:59] <auronandace> django_: depends on your hardware, you'll just have to try and see
[16:59] <django_> how do i check if i am currently using unity2d or 3d
[16:59] <zykotick9> nicomachus: sorry, i don't have any suggestions.  best of luck.
[16:59] <ganymede> I dont think there is a Unity2D anymore
[17:00] <wootehfoot> django_, it's Unity3D by default, 2D can be installed separately
[17:00] <yeboy> hello
[17:00] <wootehfoot> django_, 2D is deprecated since Ubuntu 12.10 though
[17:00] <logan7898> hey all
[17:01] <yeboy> CAN anyone help me , im trying to apt-get update and it is saying i need permissions , so how do i root ubuntu
[17:01] <logan7898> use
[17:01] <logan7898> use sudo
[17:02] <logan7898> sudo apt-get update
[17:02] <putrisinu> salve
[17:02] <wootehfoot> django_, do this "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-mate-desktop" and see if MATE is good enough for your purposes. You can change to it by logging out, choosing MATE as desktop environment, then logging in again.
[17:02] <django_> ahh cool
[17:02] <overdose> Overdose1
[17:03] <django_> im on ubuntu 14.04
[17:03] <django_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/7eN3qucf/
[17:03] <django_> wootehfoot: not finding it
[17:04] <wootehfoot> django_, ok, that's probably because Ubuntu MATE is new. It's only been around from 15.04
[17:04] <wootehfoot> django_, you can find the iso here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/releases/15.10/release/
[17:05] <jheneffe> NoobGuide
[17:05] <django_> oh well
[17:05] <wootehfoot> (but that implies a reinstall)
[17:05] <django_> its not that bad heh
[17:05] <logan8789> is anyone any good with networking? :-)
[17:05] <django_> i just have to restart like once per day
[17:05] <nicomachus> logan8789: ##networking is
[17:05] <OerHeks> mate-desktop, not ubuntu-mate-desktop
[17:05] <jheneffe> NoobGuide
[17:05] <OerHeks> !info mate-desktop
[17:06] <OerHeks> if you are not comfortable with the names,use the softwarecenter
[17:06] <logan8789> thanks, its more to do with nic setup in ubuntu though
[17:06] <auronandace> jheneffe: try constructing a sentence
[17:07] <wootehfoot> django_, oh, try what OerHeks said, "sudo apt-get install mate-desktop"
[17:07] <OerHeks> jheneffe, do you have an ubuntu support question?
[17:07] <wootehfoot> but i doubt it'll work, considering mate is from 15.04+
[17:07] <django_> installing :)
[17:07] <wootehfoot> nice
[17:07] <yeboy> i need to know how to root my ubuntu
[17:07] <ikonia> how to root it ?
[17:07] <ikonia> what are you talking about ?
[17:07] <auronandace> !sudo | yeboy
[17:07] <wootehfoot> yeboy, sudo su
[17:07] <ikonia> wootehfoot: no
[17:08] <yeboy> well im trying to install somthing and its saying i need permisions , or root
[17:09] <wootehfoot> yeboy, run it with sudo then
[17:09] <logan8789> I just installed a gigabit ethernet card in my ubuntu server.  but only the mobo ethernet adapter works.  The drivers are definitely installed but im only getting eth0 and the pci nic doesnt obtain an IP.  If anyone has any ideas :-)
[17:09] <ikonia> yeboy: what are you trying to install, and we can help you
[17:09] <ikonia> logan8789: what model is the card ?
[17:09] <logan8789> tp-link tg3269
[17:10] <ikonia> logan8789: how do you know "the drivers are installed"
[17:10] <django_> ok it finished
[17:10] <django_> wootehfoot: what do i do next
[17:11] <logan8789> it comes up in the lshw and i read the drivers are auto included in ubuntu
[17:11] <ikonia> logan8789: please pastebin the output of the command "sudo ifconfig -a"
[17:11] <wootehfoot> django_, log out, choose MATE as your desktop, then log in
[17:11] <wootehfoot> django_, there's a drop-down box where you choose deskto environments
[17:11] <yeboy> how do i log in ubuntu as super user
[17:12] <ikonia> yeboy: you shouldn't need to
[17:12] <ikonia> yeboy: explaint he problem
[17:12] <nicomachus> yeboy: several people have answered your question, and asked what you're trying to install so that they can help
[17:12] <Gomi> use sudo instead
[17:12] <jheneffe> OpParis
[17:12] <ikonia> the
[17:12] <django_> wootehfoot: do i have to log out or just lock
[17:12] <ikonia> jheneffe: do you need ubuntu help, yes/no ?
[17:12] <wootehfoot> django_, full log-out
[17:12] <logan8789> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13332169/  thanks
[17:12] <nicomachus> jheneffe: this is not the place for that. you can find the noobguide online with google.
[17:12] <jheneffe> yes
[17:12] <yeboy> im trying to use sudo , but its ok thanks anyways
[17:13] <efoster> what do you need help with in ubuntu?
[17:13] <wootehfoot> yeboy, sudo ./application.bin
[17:13] <wootehfoot> yeboy, or, sudo sh application.bin
[17:13] <jheneffe> #OpParis
[17:14] <jheneffe> RC channel used by Anonymous to share information on #OpParis: a “NoobGuide” for anyone that wants to get involved but doesn’t have the hacking knowledge, a “Reporter” guide detailing the setup of a Twitter bot for uncovering IS accounts, and the “Searcher” guide designed to help hacktivists around the world uncover IS websites
[17:14] <OerHeks> jheneffe, so you don't have an ubuntu support question, join #ubuntu-offtopic ..
[17:14] <ikonia> jheneffe: this is nothing to wo with ubuntu - please drop this topic
[17:15] <ikonia> OerHeks: that is not appropriate for offtopic either
[17:15] <logan8789> ikonia:  I am guessing it looks as if its not installed
[17:15] <yeboy> cant open application bin
[17:15] <efoster> Does it have permission?
[17:15] <ikonia> logan8789: one moment
[17:15] <puter> Hi there all, would you believe that my system settings icon and pannel has turned into the ubuntu phone icon and and panel! This is on Ubuntu 15.10! Can anyone help me get the desktop one back please? I figure that this must have happen with an update or something :/
[17:16] <bdert> Anyone on lenovo y50-70 and ubuntu, please query :)
[17:16] <wootehfoot> yeboy, ok, that means it's not executable, type sudo chmod +x application.bin, you have to change the word "application" for the name of your file, i thought you understood that
[17:16] <ikonia> logan8789: is enp1s9 not the card
[17:16] <ikonia> bdert: what's the issue ?
[17:17] <efoster> yeboy I don't know what application you're trying to run but be sure it's authentic before you change permissions
[17:17] <logan8789> ikonia:  i am guessing it is, so do i need to set it to get dhcp?
[17:17] <ikonia> logan8789: correct
[17:17] <bdert> ikonia: nvidia drivers, it comes with a hybrid geforce and intel, nvidia-settings work fine, but the fan is loud and using just phpstorm and chrome it switched off once, just randomly.
[17:17] <ikonia> bdert: the fan just switches off ?
[17:17] <ikonia> or the machine does
[17:17] <wootehfoot> Anyone here that has undervolting working with intel_pstate?
[17:18] <logan8789> ?
[17:18] <logan8789> oops
[17:18] <bdert> ikonia: the machine switched off.
[17:18] <yeboy> no it does not have permission i think thats the problem
[17:18] <ikonia> bdert: thats odd, like a hard reset ?
[17:18] <logan8789> auto enp1s9 iface enp1s9 inet dhcp ?
[17:18] <ikonia> logan8789: is this a desktop install ?
[17:18] <bdert> Yeah, as if I clicked the power button. It went off and did now swtich on.
[17:19] <wootehfoot> yeboy, right click the file→properties→find a checkbox names "executable"→tick it→click ok
[17:19] <wootehfoot> named*
[17:19] <logan8789> nope command line only ubuntu server
[17:19] <ikonia> bdert: what version of ubuntu ?
[17:19] <bdert> ikonia: you on lenovo yourself?
[17:19] <ikonia> logan8789: so use the interfaces file for eth0 as a template
[17:19] <ikonia> bdert: I use a few lenovo
[17:19] <logan8789> thats what i did and i added the above lines,   should i just remove eth0 if im not using it anymore?
[17:19] <yeboy> i have 15.10 i think
[17:19] <bdert> ikonia: ubuntu-14.04.3-desktop-amd64
[17:20] <ikonia> logan8789: no, eth0 will stil need/should have a definition
[17:20] <logan8789> ok so i restart the networking service and it should work?
[17:20] <bdert> ikonia: i had many problems with the nvidia drivers it still doesn't detect my card it says unknown but works OK now, part from the loud fan.
[17:20] <ikonia> logan8789: if it's defined correctly
[17:20] <logan8789> lets see :) thanks
[17:20] <yeboy> i have no time now butt hank you everyone i will come back later
[17:20] <ikonia> bdert: the hybrid cards are not well supported in my opinion,
[17:21] <bdert> ikonia very true, but... any workaround?
[17:22] <ikonia> bdert: work around for what exactly
[17:23] <bdert> Not sure. Any ideas on how to and what drivers exactly I should install? I have nvidia prime now, bumblebee doesn't work good
[17:23] <ikonia> I thought bumblebee was EOL
[17:23] <ikonia> I'm not %100
[17:24] <wootehfoot> bdert, i've used prime, and don't like it because my nvidia card is always idling in the background. So now i use just use nvidia proprietary, and manually switch between Intel/nvidia by logging in and logging out.
[17:24] <nitish> how can I update mozila firefox?
[17:24] <nicomachus> ikonia bdert: bumblebee supported up to 14.04: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee
[17:24] <wootehfoot> bdert, laptop eats like 2W extra just by having nvidia card idling.
[17:25] <nicomachus> and now officially supported by ubuntu in 14.04 and newer
[17:25] <ikonia> thank you
[17:26] <Delta706> Can someone suggest an irc channel where hosting of ubuntu machines is discussed?
[17:27] <bdert> wootehfoot using nvidia proprietary, means nvidia doesn't idle in the background?
[17:27] <explosive> #ubuntu-server Delta706
[17:27] <computer> can anyone say me a C programmer's channel ?
[17:27] <explosive> ##c
[17:27] <computer> thanks
[17:27] <computer> bro
[17:27] <explosive> ( tread carefully, they are jackasses )
[17:27] <Delta706> explosive: thanks
[17:27] <puter> I get it, I think somehow the ubuntu-system-settings package got installed and it uninstalled the unity-control-center! Don't ask me how that happened geez
[17:27] <marcanuy> Is it possible to set up crontab to use Mutt as its default MTA? (making usage of its MAILTO variable). -> http://askubuntu.com/q/699667/43253
[17:27] <computer> explosive
[17:27] <logan8789> ikonia: good stuff thanks! :-)
[17:27] <computer> thanks
[17:27] <explosive> computer: np :)
[17:27] <computer> i will be carefull
[17:27] <computer> ##c
[17:28] <computer> ##c
[17:28] <explosive> computer: type /join ##c
[17:28] <wootehfoot> computer, or right click ##c and select join
[17:29] <nitish> is there any php channel?
[17:29] <explosive> nitish: ##php maybe?
[17:30] <alberto_> Hello everyone!
[17:30] <explosive> hello
[17:30] <puter> Yep that's what is was. Still don't have the system setting icon come up in the untiy dash when I type it's key letters but it will run from the terminal just fine. Maybe it will after a restart :)
[17:31] <alberto_> I have a problem with a game I just downloaded, it's sh executable and it tells me "Not found!"
[17:31] <explosive> alberto_: did you chmod +x it?
[17:32] <jheneffe> OpParis
[17:32] <alberto_> explosive I actually did chmod a+rwx
[17:32] <alberto_> And this is what I get:
[17:32] <puter> close
[17:33] <alberto_> ./mania_drive.sh: 3: ./mania_drive.sh: game/mania_drive.static: not found
[17:33] <explosive> alberto_: it's complaining about game/mania_drive.static
[17:33] <tux_> ola
[17:34] <explosive> alberto_: try find -name "mania_drive.static"
[17:34] <sachin_a>  /join #vim
[17:34] <bdonnahue> hey everyone. im trying to run the follwoing command but i get a timeout
[17:34] <bdonnahue> gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-key 62B4981F
[17:34] <bdonnahue> can anyone help me?
[17:34] <alberto_> explosive ./game/mania_drive.static
[17:34] <bubbles> i am in deep deep deep hole
[17:35] <bubbles> anyone can help?
[17:35] <explosive> alberto_: ok, so it's there
[17:35] <nicomachus> bubbles: not until you state the problem.
[17:35] <bubbles> i have this called xfce
[17:35] <aptGot> hello everyone, I try installing Xen VM, and I followed the community documentation, but 'sudo xl list' returned an error: 'cant find hypervisor information in sysfs!' I read that this was a common error, and tried the 'dpkg-divert--' command to fix it, but it didnt
[17:35] <bubbles> and i don't know what happened but the minimize, maximize and close buttons don't appear only on windows
[17:36] <alberto_> explosive Perhaps I should change permissions to the whole /game/ directory, shouldn't I?
[17:36] <bubbles> what can i do?
[17:37] <explosive> alberto_: type ls -ld game
[17:37] <bdonnahue> can anyone help me with this keyserver issue.
[17:37] <alberto_> explosive drwxrwxrwx 4 alberto alberto 4096 ago 17  2006 game
[17:37] <trism> alberto_: are you on amd64? if so might be an i386 binary and you would need to install libc6:i386. you can check: file game/mania_drive.static
[17:37] <icewalker> some my wifi on ubuntu 15.10 is missing the wpa/2.  how can i added wpa/2 to my wifi?
[17:37] <bubbles> omg i found out that the buttons are there on windows
[17:38] <alberto_> trism Yes, I'm on amd64
[17:38] <bubbles> but they get hidden under the top panel
[17:38] <bubbles> please help
[17:39] <trism> alberto_: try: sudo apt-get install libc6:i386; assuming: file game/mania_drive.static; says something like ELF 32-Bit
[17:39] <jheneffe> As instruções para encontrar sites relacionados com o ISIS
[17:39] <jheneffe>     1. Obtenha Python em https://www.python.org/downloads/ a menos que você já tem (Mac faz)
[17:39] <jheneffe>     2. Abra o Terminal (ou Prompt de Comando do Windows) e tipo (sem aspas) "python"
[17:39] <jheneffe>     3. Agora, essa etapa requer um pouco de explicação. Vamos definir isso a limpo, vamos ...
[17:39] <jheneffe>         Copie o conteúdo do link a seguir para o clipboard https://ghostbin.com/paste/oo4tb
[17:39] <jheneffe>         O conteúdo dessa ligação estão alguns termos de busca que se relacionam com ISIS e seu conteúdo, o que lhe permite afinar os resultados para aqueles específicos
[17:39] <jheneffe>         Cole as cordas para o terminal e pressione Enter
[17:39] <abra0> ಠ_ಠ
[17:39] <trism> alberto_: you might need more i386 libs too, after you install libc6:i386 you can run: ldd game/mania_drive.static; to see which ones
[17:40] <bubbles> should i post ss?
[17:41] <alberto_> trism game/mania_drive.static: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[17:41] <OnkelTem> Hi all. How to switch on/off a service (from cmdline)?
[17:41] <OnkelTem> I mean not running at all at startup
[17:42] <OnkelTem> I remember there were a sysv-rc-conf or something on debian
[17:42] <OnkelTem> But is there an easier way?
[17:42] <bubbles> OnkelTem, every desktop environment has own startup options
[17:43] <trism> alberto_: sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-glx:i386
[17:43] <bubbles> OnkelTem, in default gnome you can goto /usr/share/applications
[17:43] <bubbles> and open startup applications
[17:44] <OnkelTem> bubbles: I'm talking about services, not applications. I want to disable some services to save RAM
[17:44] <alberto_> trism Thank you, now it's asking for libGLU.so.1
[17:44] <OnkelTem> so I'm looking for a way to do it quickly
[17:44] <enzino> !ciao
[17:44] <bubbles> write a bash script
[17:44] <enzino> !list
[17:45] <OnkelTem> bubbles: which would do what?
[17:45] <bubbles> if service found kill it
[17:45] <enzino> !ciao
[17:45] <enzino> list!
[17:45] <OnkelTem> I don't need to kill it, I need not to run it at startap
[17:45] <enzino> !list
[17:46] <trism> alberto_: libglu1-mesa:i386
[17:46] <alberto_> trism sudo apt-get install libglu1-mesa?
[17:46] <alberto_> trism Ok, sorry
[17:46] <trism> alberto_: yeah the :i386 one
[17:47] <bubbles> here is my sample bash script for setting ionice on some processes http://paste.ubuntu.com/13332617/
[17:47] <bubbles> you can edit it according to your need
[17:48] <alberto_> trism Thank you very much
[17:48] <alberto_> trism Only there's no sound in the game
[17:48] <OnkelTem> bubbles: thanks, but yet again - what you are suggesting is completely not what I'm asking about
[17:49] <bubbles> xfce is buggy :(
[17:49] <OnkelTem> I want to disable/enable a service
[17:49] <Horo_horo> Alberto: where are you?
[17:50] <bubbles> OnkelTem, you said you wanted to save ram. you can save ram by killing the service o.O
[17:50] <alberto_> horo_horo Spain, EU
[17:50] <bubbles> not having a service started or having it started and then killing it is nearly same
[17:50] <OnkelTem> bubbles: agrhhh.... why starting them?
[17:50] <OnkelTem> bubbles: not the same, man :)
[17:50] <explosive> OnkelTem: which ubuntu are you using and which service is it?
[17:51] <OnkelTem> explosive: Ubuntu 14.04. Whatever - postgresql, mysql - anything
[17:51] <OnkelTem> explosive: those which I run with service <service> start
[17:52] <explosive> try update-rc.d -f mysql disable
[17:52] <bubbles> OnkelTem, try this http://superuser.com/questions/339583/gui-tool-to-manage-services-in-ubuntu
[17:53] <bubbles> i always come here to fix my problem but end up fixing someone elses problem >.<
[17:54] <trism> alberto_: the faq says it uses openal so maybe you just need: libopenal1:i386
[17:54] <sudhirkhanger> The official Ubuntu wiki recommends installing nvidia package (304 series) where as but AskUbuntu recommends nvidia-331. I am confused as in which one to use.
[17:54] <OnkelTem> bubbles: it's not fair, you're just googling! :)
[17:54] <alberto_> trism Thank you once again :)
[17:55] <bubbles> OnkelTem, yep, you should have done that actually
[17:56] <bubbles> OnkelTem, hardly took 5 secs but they said not to ask people to google
[17:56] <DarkSky>  /part
[17:56] <DarkSky> oh haha
[17:56] <DarkSky> sorry :p
[17:56] <NullThought> Is anyone here running a 4k monitor? I have an i7-4790k @ 4.4Ghz, 16GB DDR3 RAM, and a GTX 960, however my machine runs like a dog
[17:56] <NullThought> I mean super slow
[17:57] <OnkelTem> bubbles: well, true. But still it's what I was looking for. In my question there is "cmdline" mention :)
[17:57] <OnkelTem> it's NOT
[17:57] <NullThought> animations are slow, scrolling on any browser is super slow, applications in general run slow.
[17:57] <NullThought> seems to only happen at 4k resolution, though
[17:57] <OnkelTem> bubbles: but hold on, looks like on another channel I got some aid, will share the solition in minutes
[17:57] <NullThought> CPU and GPU aren't pegged out either
[17:58] <bubbles> OnkelTem, cmdline is 19th century, install bum you will stay in profit
[17:58] <alberto_> trism open /dev/[sound/]dsp: No such file or directory
[17:58] <alberto_> Raydium: ERROR: Cannot open Sound System
[17:58] <bubbles> OnkelTem, cant hang on, gotta go. cheers!
[17:58] <OnkelTem> "cmdline is 19th century" - lol
[17:59] <trism> alberto_: you could try editing the sh file and running game/mania_drive.static with padsp in front since we don't have /dev/dsp using pulseaudio
[18:02] <alberto_> trism Puseaudio is always causing issues
[18:02] <alberto_> Pulseaudio
[18:02] <nicomachus> is there any way to do a speedtest from terminal?
[18:03] <adrian_1908> isn't there a speedtest script written in python? I vaguely remember such a thing.
[18:03] <reisio> wget -O - https://raw.githubusercontent.com/sivel/speedtest-cli/master/speedtest_cli.py | python
[18:04] <alberto_> trism It didn't work
[18:04] <nicomachus> nice reisio. danke.
[18:04] <trism> alberto_: yeah it doesn't always, I'm out of ideas unfortunately
[18:05] <alberto_> trism Thank you very much :)
[18:06] <chinesesausage> good afternoon
[18:08] <nicomachus> definitely tying that to an alias...
[18:08] <chinesesausage> I am using xfce4, does anybody know about enabling the notification balloons fade in and fade out animations?
[18:09] <chinesesausage> also, the notification balloons cannot change theme
[18:10] <chinesesausage> any help would be appreciated :)
[18:10] <Teoreon> Helo!
[18:13] <Apteryx> Hi folks! Is it possible to configure two (concurrently active) network connections using NetworkManager? Or is this still a good old /etc/network/interfaces
[18:13] <Apteryx> use case.
[18:15] <nicomachus> apparently I don't know how to create an alias?
[18:15] <Bilel_mk> hey
[18:15] <nicomachus> reisio: I put that command into .bash_aliases after alias speedtest=, but then "speedtest" comes up as "command not found"
[18:16] <Rallias> So... I'm trying to do an `apt-get update` but am getting a 'Hash Sum mismatch' error on security.ubuntu.com, what am I doing wrong?
[18:16] <ille> Apteryx: u can use two active interface. but dont use only 1 gateway
[18:16] <Rallias> Rather, what should I be doing.
[18:16] <reisio> nicomachus: source ~/.bash_aliases ?
[18:16] <nicomachus> no output
[18:17] <compdoc> Rallias, sometimes repos are being updated and things dont work. you might wait, or you might run:    sudo apt-get clean
[18:19] <Apteryx> ille: OK! I got confused by the GUI task bar reporting only the last connections made.
[18:19] <Apteryx> last connection*
[18:19] <Apteryx> I will look into configuring a 2nd gateway. Thanks.
[18:19] <ille> Apteryx: paste your interfaces and i can look at them
[18:20] <Apteryx> ille: Would the output of ifconfig be what you want to see?
[18:21] <ille> Apteryx: yes
[18:22] <Apteryx> ille: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13333119/
[18:22] <nicomachus> reisio: odd. works now. Maybe needed some load time? idk
[18:23] <Apteryx> The two interfaces of interest are: wlan1 and eth1
[18:23] <ille> i can only see wlan1. is wlan2 up?
[18:24] <reisio> nicomachus: might've needed a source
[18:24] <Apteryx> ille: the other interface I want to use is eth1
[18:24] <Apteryx> so a mix of ethernet and wlan
[18:25] <ille> Apteryx: is two diffrent network or the same? i mean eth1 is connected with network cable and wlan1 is connected via wirelss
[18:26] <Apteryx> ille: two different networks
[18:27] <Apteryx> ethernet will be used only to communicate in point to point fashion with another device
[18:27] <Apteryx> while wlan is my main internet enabled network
[18:29] <ille> Apteryx: paste your /etc/network/interfaces
[18:30] <Apteryx> ille: I think I managed to find a setting in NetworkManager that does the trick... In IPv4 settings, Route button, I checked the "Use this connection only for resources on its network".
[18:30] <Apteryx> Now when I show my routes using the 'route' cmd, it says: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13333227/
[18:31] <ille> you can allways put IP and subnet in networkmanager but not the gateway on eth1
[18:32] <Apteryx> ille: OK. My /etc/network/interfaces contains just the defaults 2 lines of Ubuntu (NetworkManager is not modifying this it seems).
[18:32] <Apteryx> I think I'm all set! I need to do a couple tests to see if it truly works! Thanks for your help, ille!
[18:32] <ille> Apteryx: yes if u use networkmanager the interface not work. thata right. sorry my misstage. i dont a GUI guy
[18:33] <ille> Apteryx: did u delete the gateway on eth1 and i work? or it was a route?
[18:33] <Apteryx> ille: hehe, no problem! GUIs are often a PITA.
[18:33] <ille> and it work*
[18:34] <Apteryx> There is a gateway on eth1, but it is set to 169.254.2.11 which is itself.
[18:34] <Apteryx> Maybe I don't need that. Just remembered this is how I used to set up point to point ethernet connections over IP.
[18:38] <clayjar> Hello. I'm on 14.04.2 LTS and whenever I do apt-get update I keep getting W: Failed to fetch ... Hash Sum mismatch.  I've tried almost every solution found on StackOverflow w/o success. Please help.
[18:39] <OerHeks> clayjar, change mirror and try again ?
[18:39] <carotte> hi *
[18:41] <clayjar> OerHeks, change to which mirror?  I changed it different countries and keep getting same errors.
[18:42] <OerHeks> clayjar, oke, next step from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PackageManagerTroubleshootingProcedure >> sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[18:44] <clayjar> OerHeks, been there and done that.
[18:45] <clayjar> OerHeks: but I'll go to that page again and give a better look, thanks.
[18:46] <OerHeks> clayjar, pastebin the errors you get please
[18:49] <clayjar> OerHeks: http://kopy.io/9pzQZ
[18:54] <OerHeks> clayjar, no funny items to see there, us mirror should be oke, else try the 'main' mirror
[18:55] <clayjar> %s/us\./main\./g  ??
[18:55] <clayjar> sorry for the vim syntax. You mean just replace 'us' with 'main' ?
[18:57] <clayjar> or is that w/o the country code as in "archive.canonical.com" ?
[18:57] <OerHeks> yes, remove the us.  part
[18:58] <OerHeks> or use the softwarecenter > sources gui
[18:59] <clayjar> OerHeks: Thanks. Just CLI here, no GUIs.
[19:04] <clayjar> OerHeks: just executed all those commands in the troubleshooting page. Here's the output: http://kopy.io/k5F1J
[19:05] <nkd> how can I install plugin in vim?
[19:05] <clayjar> nkd: there are few packages out there for this, but I use this: https://github.com/Shougo/neobundle.vim
[19:06] <nkd> clayjar: how can I install plugin of vim form command line?
[19:07] <OerHeks> clayjar, i have no clue :-(
[19:07] <clayjar> Once that's installed, all you have to do is just add a line (e.g. NeoBundle 'mattn/calendar-vim') in your ~/.vimrc and rerun your vim.
[19:07] <clayjar> OerHeks, it used to have a proxy (an institutional one).. and it must have installed something toxic.
[19:07] <clayjar> This is why French revolution happened...
[19:08] <OerHeks> clayjar, on this page is a one-liner to change your sources.list > http://askubuntu.com/questions/91815/how-to-install-software-or-upgrade-from-an-old-unsupported-release first answer
[19:08] <OerHeks> oh proxy, that could be it.
[19:08] <clayjar> OerHeks: I removed that some time ago though.
[19:09] <OerHeks> clayjar, then again, you would not get ANY list with proxy ..
[19:09] <Guest494> the command lshw -c video, shows that my intel G41 is using the driver i915, however, in the gentoo wiki https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Intel (yes I'm using ubuntu but I don't see how this would change) it says it should be using i965
[19:10] <clayjar> nkd: http://superuser.com/questions/404686/installing-plugins-in-vim
[19:10] <Guest494> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13333643/ this is the log of the program
[19:10] <Guest494> of the command, I mean
[19:11] <nkd> can I connect to irc channel with windows?
[19:11] <trollkarlen1> nkd: yes ofcourse
[19:11] <clayjar> nkd: on Windows OS ??
[19:12] <nkd> clayjar: yes.
[19:12] <nkd> trollkarlen1: how?
[19:12] <clayjar> nkd: have you heard of Google ?
[19:12] <Guest494> this is the command of glxinfo showing my integrated gpu's model http://paste.ubuntu.com/13333664/
[19:12] <trollkarlen1> nkd: use a windows IRC client..like pidgin
[19:12] <nkd> clayjar: using it more than 2 dozen times a day.
[19:13] <clayjar> nkd: flabbergasting.
[19:13] <maxscam1> Hi, my computer is no longer showing the SSD in GParted. I am currently running on a live CD. ANy help?
[19:15] <clayjar> maxscam1: is it connected via USB ?
[19:15] <maxscam1> clayjar: no, it's internal
[19:15] <clayjar> maxscam1: is it old ?
[19:16] <TJ-> maxscam1: check 'dmesg' to see if the device, and its controller, is discovered by the kernel
[19:16] <nasenmann> Hello, can somebody help me getting 2 graphic adapters to work at once?
[19:17] <maxscam1> TJ- thanks
[19:17] <maxscam1> clayjar: no its new
[19:17] <nasenmann> I have 3 monitors on 2 graphic adapters, and they to not run
[19:17] <clayjar> lspci to check if it's connected.
[19:17] <TJ-> nasenmann: are the GPUs the same make?
[19:17] <nasenmann> @TJ-: No, Its an ATI Radeon R7200 and a NVIDIA Geforce 6610 XL
[19:18] <Vas> hey guys, trying to install printer software,  is anyone able to lend a hand?
[19:18] <TJ-> nasenmann: you'll need to configure a custom /etc/X11/xorg.conf for them. You'll need at least 2 X screens configuring, 1 per GPU
[19:19] <maxscam1> TJ- how can i see in dmesg which devices are installed? I know the SSD is a 128GB Kingston. "dmesg "
[19:19] <maxscam1> TJ - "dmesg | grep kingston" is empty though
[19:19] <nasenmann> TJ-: Ok, I installed the nvidia xserver to get the Geforce 6610 to work. When I add a device to xorg.conf and reboot, the second device is deleted
[19:19] <nasenmann> The file looks like before
[19:20] <Guest73183> hi
[19:21] <aurora_> I have a asus laptop F302L and volume buttons work but not to change the brightness of the screen. Any tips on how to fix it or link to where I can read more about it?
[19:21] <Vas> Hey guys, i have an MG5240 printer. downloaded the software driver online(linux 32, even tho i have ubuntu, not sure if that would work) but unlike windows, i dont have a setup.exe. Can anyone help me figure this out?
[19:22] <Vas> aurora - did u try pressing and holding the fn button ?
[19:22] <explosive> aurora_: try adding acpi_backlight=vendor to the kernel parameters list after quiet splash
[19:23] <explosive> in /etc/default/grub , then sudo update-grub
[19:23] <Vas> lol, way out of my league here
[19:24] <aurora_> explosive, thanks, ill try that
[19:24] <explosive> np
[19:25] <Vas> Hey guys, i have an MG5240 printer. downloaded the software driver online(linux 32, even tho i have ubuntu, not sure if that would work) but unlike windows, i dont have a setup.exe. Can anyone help me figure this out?
[19:26] <explosive> Vas: did you download the .tar.gz file?
[19:26] <aurora_> explosive, just to confirm that i got it right, the line should look like this: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash acpi_backlight=vendor"
[19:26] <Vas> explosive: just tar, there is no .gz in the extension
[19:27] <explosive> ok, cd to the extracted dir, then type ./configure
[19:27] <explosive> aurora_: yup
[19:27] <nkd> is there any free irc client for windows os?
[19:28] <Pici> nkd: Yes, but ask ##windows, not #ubuntu
[19:28] <badbodh> nkd, hexchat
[19:29] <aurora_> explosive, reboot required? And i got this warning while doing the update-grub : Warning: Setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to a non-zero value when GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is set is no longer supported.
[19:29] <aurora_> is that anything i need to fix?
[19:29] <ratchetmeche> hello
[19:30] <anas> Hello everyone
[19:30] <explosive> aurora_: no it's ok
[19:30] <aurora_> sweet, big thanks
[19:30] <aurora_> brb
[19:30] <Guest23864> hey
[19:30] <Vas> explosive:   ./configure is giving me a "No such file or directory" error
[19:31] <Bashing-om> aurore_: "sudo update-grub' for the change to propogate ?
[19:31] <explosive> Vas: is there a README?
[19:31] <Vas> explosive: ok so i extracted the downloaded file which i hadnt done earlier, but i am getting 3 sub folders
[19:32] <explosive> Vas: type ls -lR /path/to/extracted/dir
[19:33] <explosive> Vas: paste the output in paste.ubuntu.com
[19:34] <aurora_> back, dident work :(
[19:36] <aurora_> but the screen is very bright and nothing happens when i change it in "brightness and lock" hehe
[19:36] <Bashing-om> aurore_: Did you 'sudo update-grub' for the change in the config file to propogate ?
[19:36] <Vas> explosive: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13333858/
[19:37] <explosive> aurora_: try adding \"acpi_osi=Windows 2012\"
[19:37] <aurora_> Bashing-om, i did the update but not the propogate
[19:37] <explosive> instead of acpi_backlight
[19:37] <aurora_> explosive, ill try it now
[19:37] <Pici> /36/36
[19:38] <explosive> Vas: type tar xzvf /extracted/dir/cnijfilter-mg5200series-3.40-1-deb.tar.gz
[19:39] <aurora_> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash  \"acpi_osi=Windows 2012\""  or GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash acpi_osi=Windows 2012"
[19:39] <explosive> first one
[19:39] <aurora_> thankss
[19:41] <aurora_> just so i know, when updating grub do i always need reboot?
[19:41] <aurora_> im new to linux =)
[19:41] <Vas> explosive: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13333911/
[19:41] <explosive> aurora_: yeah to see the effects
[19:42] <aurora_> cool, thanks. brb
[19:42] <explosive> Vas: cd to the new dir and type chmod +x install.sh
[19:42] <explosive> then type ./install.sh
[19:43] <Vas> explosive: what's the new directory?
[19:43] <explosive> the new dir that was createtd after extracting the .deb.tar.gz
[19:44] <aurora_> It works to change the brightness from brightness and lock, but not from buttons
[19:44] <explosive> aurora_: you can try different 2015 .. 2014 etc
[19:45] <aurora_> ah, cool
[19:45] <parrot> greetings
[19:45] <explosive> it was working to change from brightness and lock before?
[19:45] <lotuspsychje> parrot: welcome, what can we do for you?
[19:46] <aurora_> before the first change yes
[19:46] <explosive> aurora_: ok
[19:47] <aurora_> reboot
[19:47] <parrot> I installed ubuntu mate 14.04 in a toshiba satellite l50d-b
[19:47] <parrot> and i have problems
[19:47] <lotuspsychje> parrot: what kind of problems
[19:48] <parrot> first wifi switch doesn't close when i press the button
[19:48] <BeefSec> what is a processor microcode (intel) driver?
[19:48] <Vas> explosive: ok got it
[19:48] <Vas> i think its installing
[19:49] <Li> I am trying conky for the 1ts time .. sudo apt-get install conky conky-all .. but when I search for ~/conky I don't find anything!
[19:49] <nicomachus> Li: try ~/.conky
[19:49] <lotuspsychje> BeefSec: what are you trying to do?
[19:49] <parrot> secondly the touchpad freezes
[19:50] <Bashing-om> aurore_: ' sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i windows ' to identify the latest Windows version listed.
[19:50] <parrot> and finaly and worst of all when I shutdown it restarts again:(
[19:50] <nicomachus> Li: conky-manager is also a very useful GUI tool if you're new to conky.
[19:50] <BeefSec> lotuspsychje,    Just looking at the additional drivers that are listed, just curious to what it is
[19:50] <parrot> any help?
[19:50] <BeefSec> or if I really need it
[19:50] <Vas> explosive:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/13333989/
[19:51] <lotuspsychje> BeefSec: if ubuntu suggests it, surely safe to install driver
[19:51] <Li> nicomachus: I'm sure that file doesn't exist on the system nor the CM
[19:51] <Li> even though the installation process was completed successfully
[19:52] <explosive> Vas: try sudo apt-get install libtiff4
[19:52] <Li> moreover now I accidently delete some default entry from the statup application preferenes
[19:52] <nicomachus> Li: what file? .conky should be in your home folder
[19:53] <Li> I don even know what was it
[19:53] <aurora_> back, i have tried from 2012 to 2015, dident fix it. any more suggestions?
[19:54] <Li> nicomachus: but it's not there.
[19:54] <nicomachus> Li: the .conky file won't show up until after conky has been run at least once.
[19:54] <Vas> explosive: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13334024/
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> parrot: maybe the #ubuntu-mate guys might know if they are known issues?
[19:54] <ioria> lotuspsychje,  Hi Lotus
[19:54] <parrot> thanks
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> parrot: did you try updating bios firmware to latest?
[19:55] <explosive> !info libtiff4
[19:55] <lotuspsychje> ioria: hello mate :p
[19:55] <NKD> exit
[19:55] <explosive> !search libtiff4
[19:55] <Li> nicomachus: how to run it at least once?
[19:55] <ioria> !info !info libtiff5
[19:55] <ioria> !info libtiff5
[19:55] <Li> no conky manager appears on the dash
[19:55] <Li> find . -iname ".conky" -type f
[19:55] <nicomachus> Li: conky manager has to be installed from a PPA: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:teejee2008/ppa
[19:56] <Li> nothing at home
[19:56] <explosive> !info libtiff4 | precise
[19:56] <explosive> !info libtiff4 precise
[19:56] <Li> nicomachus: it was avaiable on the software center and I've installed from there
[19:56] <nicomachus> Li: Conky manager was?
[19:56] <Li> apt-get install conky conky-all
[19:56] <aurora_> may changing it to "acpi_osi=" help (with no "")?
[19:57] <Li> nicomachus: I thought that is manager ... isn't it?
[19:58] <OerHeks> conky-manager is a private project, https://launchpad.net/~teejee2008/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[19:58] <explosive> Vas: you need to install libtiff4 somehow, it looks like it's not available for trusty anymore
[19:58] <OerHeks> http://www.itworld.com/article/2696428/install-conky-manager-2-1-in-ubuntu-14-04.html
[19:58] <Vas> explosive: any suggestions?
[19:59] <Bashing-om> aurora_: you need to add it with escaped quotes to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="...\"acpi_osi=Windows 2013\"" .. where 2013 is a result from the sudo strings command .
[19:59] <explosive> download the .deb and manually install it Vas
[19:59] <nicomachus> no, conky-manager is a separate project that just gives a GUI and helps you install themes, Li. It's really handy.
[19:59] <ioria> there is only the -dev package for trusty
[19:59] <ioria> !info libtiff4-dev trusty
[19:59] <Horo_horo> I've problem with java on ubuntu
[19:59] <Vas> explosive: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libtiff4 ?
[20:00] <livingroom> guys the #samba channel is dead does anyone here know anything about samba i'm having a devil of a time
[20:00] <lotuspsychje> !java | Horo_horo
[20:00] <OerHeks> livingroom, ask your question and find out ?
[20:01] <OerHeks> or come back tomorrow
[20:01] <akik> aurora_: on an acer laptop, i needed to use acpi_osi=Linux your mileage may vary
[20:01] <nicomachus> Li: this is what Conky Manager looks like: https://imgur.com/iXD9DQN
[20:01] <OerHeks> nicomachus, i think Li is reading my post about conkymanager + url
[20:01] <Vas> explosive: found this http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/libtiff4-dev
[20:02] <nicomachus> ah ok, OerHeks
[20:02] <Vas> would this one work?
[20:02] <OerHeks> nice tool indeed
[20:02] <livingroom> i am following the samba wiki howto, and it says to test DNS by running this command: $ host -t SRV _ldap._tcp.mydomain - when i run that command, i get "host _ldap._tcp.mydomain not foudn: 3(NXDOMAIN)
[20:03] <explosive> Vas: you need the libtiff4 package
[20:03] <aurora_> Bashing-om, the line i had was: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash \"acpi_osi=Windows 2012\""    (i dident understand that last part with result from sudo srings command)
[20:03] <explosive> Vas: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/libtiff4
[20:03] <aurora_> akik, thanks for the tip
[20:04] <Li> this is what I deleted !!! GPG Password Agent
[20:04] <Bashing-om> aurora_: My XX:50 entry refers . Did you get it ?
[20:05] <aurora_> sorry, no. im guessing its some reference to coding of some sort. I read C/C++ in the 90's lol
[20:06] <Bashing-om> aurora_: 13:50 < Bashing-om> aurore_: ' sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i windows ' to identify the latest Windows version listed.
[20:06] <aurora_> aha!
[20:07] <Vas> explosive: thanks for the help man, gonna rest my case
[20:09] <aurora_> result is 2009, 2012, 2013. So i try to change it to 2013 again and reboot?
[20:09] <aurora_> got this error in terminal while gedit: (gedit:2888): Gtk-WARNING **: Calling Inhibit failed: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files
[20:10] <Bashing-om> aurora_: Worth a shot . remember to 'sudo update-grub' after the file is saved .
[20:11] <aurora_> Bashing-om, thanks =) i almost forgot it hehe
[20:11] <aurora_> reboot, brb
[20:11] <Bashing-om> aurora_: Been there, not done that ;)
[20:13] <aurora_> Bashing-om, back. dident work
[20:13] <livingroom> i am following the samba wiki howto, and it says to test DNS by running this command: $ host -t SRV _ldap._tcp.mydomain - when i run that command, i get "host _ldap._tcp.mydomain not foudn: 3(NXDOMAIN)" - any idea what i should do
[20:14] <Bashing-om> aurora_: Bummer. sorry, end of my experience . Perhaps others here can offer advise .
[20:14] <akik> livingroom: you don't have a srv record for _ldap._tcp.mydomain in your dns server. not sure if that's documented in the howto you're reading
[20:14] <aurora_> Bashing-om, big thanks for your effort. Much appreciated =)
[20:15] <alberto_> Hello everyone!
[20:15] <alberto_> :)
[20:15] <alberto_> How are you all?
[20:16] <Bashing-om> aurora_: :( No cookies for /me .
[20:16] <akik> aurora_: can you test with acpi_osi=Linux ?
[20:16] <alberto_> I have purged some PPAs with ppa-purge, but there are still some files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[20:16]  * aurora_ hands over a cookie to Bashing-om
[20:17] <aurora_> akik, about to do that now =)
[20:17] <alberto_> Should I delete them too?
[20:19] <akik> it was quite strange that from ubuntu version to the next, i needed those parameters. maybe there was no bug report created
[20:19] <akik> i mean for the lcd backlight
[20:19] <k1l_> alberto_: depends on what files there are
[20:19] <k1l_> alberto_: can you show a "ls -al /etc/apt/sources.list.d" in a pastebin?
[20:21] <alberto_> k1l_ http://pastebin.com/x36SaaGx
[20:22] <aurora_> back
[20:22] <k1l_> alberto_: there is still this PPA
[20:22] <aurora_> akik, sorry, dident work
[20:22] <akik> aurora_: you mentioned that you're using volume buttons for brightness? is this what works in windows?
[20:24] <aurora_> ah, no, the volume buttons work to change volume. its a FN+F10 and F11. but brightness buttons dont work, FN+F5 F6
[20:24] <alberto_> k1l_ I did "sudo ppa-purge ppa:xubuntu-dev/xfce-4.12"
[20:24] <sdegutis> Is it standard procedure to log stuff by just "echo foo >> /var/log/myapp/whatever.log" ?
[20:25] <alberto_> k1l_ And the output was "PPA purged successfully"
[20:25] <sdegutis> Also: Will the system automatically rotate that file when it gets too full, so that there will be whatever.log.1 and whatever.log will become empty?
[20:25] <aurora_> Should the brighness + and - be in Keyboard > Shortcuts ? Volume buttons are there
[20:25] <k1l_> alberto_: what is "cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/xubuntu-dev-xfce-4_12-trusty.list"?
[20:27] <alberto_> k1l_ http://pastebin.com/MzML7dK3
[20:28] <bray90820> How good is apples magic mouse support in ubuntu
[20:30] <OerHeks> bray90820, works oootb here, multi finger etc ( 14.04-15.04-15.10)
[20:35] <crunch-choco> guys, does linux do well with power management (laptop)? few years ago it was not good, but i dont know what it become today
[20:37] <baizon> crunch-choco: its good :)
[20:37] <k1l_> alberto_: i thought it would remove that file too
[20:38] <alberto_> k1l_ Me too
[20:38] <crunch-choco> baizon, do i need to do any special tweaks?
[20:38] <crunch-choco> or is it good out of the box
[20:38] <baizon> crunch-choco: its good out of the box
[20:38] <MonkeyDust> crunch-choco  ubuntu linux is very good
[20:38] <baizon> crunch-choco: else u can use a lightweight DE, so it need less cpu
[20:39] <MonkeyDust> crunch-choco  http://www.noobslab.com/2013/07/how-to-improve-laptop-power-management.html
[20:39] <crunch-choco> any lightweight DE you would recommend? :D
[20:40] <ioria> alberto_, what command did you use  to purge ?
[20:40] <crunch-choco> MonkeyDust, oh thanks!
[20:40] <bray90820> OerHeks: I have never had luck with it auto connecting and it also has really bad battery management aka it says it's dead when it's not and disconnects so I need to manually reconnect it
[20:41] <bray90820> have you seen any of those things?
[20:41] <bray90820> oh and the scrolling is way to fast
[20:41] <alberto_> ioria " sudo ppa-purge ppa:xubuntu-dev/xfce-4.12"
[20:41] <MonkeyDust> crunch-choco  you wouldnt ask a vendor's opinion about his own product, would you
[20:42] <crunch-choco> MonkeyDust, not his own product, ubuntu is not lightweight at all to me hehe :D
[20:42] <ioria> alberto_ and you are on trusty ?
[20:44] <alberto__> Hello, I'm back, I got disconnected
[20:46] <k1l_> alberto__: are you on trusty?
[20:46] <alberto__> k1l_ Yes,
[20:47] <ganymede_> crunch-choco, Lubuntu (lxde) is the lightest major DE in terms of memory and disk space. You have to decide for yourself if it's any good.
[20:48] <ioria> alberto_  sudo ppa-purge ppa:xubuntu-dev/extras  ?
[20:48] <alberto__> ioria I didn't try that
[20:49] <ioria> alberto_  you don't need it if you didn't sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xubuntu-dev/extras
[20:50] <alberto__> ioria So...Shall I purge that PPA?
[20:51] <ioria> alberto_  do you have it ? it'a complementary ppa for xfce
[20:51] <alberto__> ioria I do have it
[20:51] <ioria> weird
[20:53] <ioria> alberto_  try to remove it too
[20:53] <alberto__> ioria Actually, I did "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xubuntu-dev/xfce-4.12"
[20:53] <alberto__> ioria And it added "ppa:xubuntu-dev/extras" as well
[20:53] <ioria> alberto_  try to remove it
[20:54] <Dewin> I'm periodically getting dmesg spam from various kernel filesystem drivers about failing to mount a particular partition, which is not listed in /etc/fstab nor is it the correct fs type for those filesystems.  I suspect something is trying to autodetect settings, any idea where I'd poke around to change that?
[20:55] <Dewin> grub-install triggers it, but it's not the only thing that does.
[20:55] <alberto__> ioria http://pastebin.com/4bTy0Dxd
[20:56] <MonsieurBon> Hi
[20:57] <k1l_> alberto__: remove the # in that file in sources.list.d and run ppa-purge again.
[20:57] <sdegutis> Does `logrotate` watch for writes to the `/var/log` directory, in order to make sure no logs surpass their maximum file size? If not, how does it know?
[20:57] <alberto__> k1l_ Ok
[20:58] <MonsieurBon> Whenever I unlock my laptop I have to enter the password to unlock the mobile broadband device because "system policy prevents automatic unlock of the device". Can I change this policy somehow? It's a bit annoying if I have to unlock the device whenever I quickly go to standby....
[21:00] <alberto__> I thought removing a ppa was an easier task
[21:00] <alberto__> I thought all you had to do was going to Software Centre and delete it from there...
[21:01] <nicomachus> alberto__: it is, usually. Go to "additional software sources" in the System Settings GUI, select it, click "remove"
[21:01] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: Okay, so moving away from the "nouveau" driver to the "nvidia" driver did NOT fix tearing in videos and while scrolling fast. What would be the next logical step?
[21:01] <k1l_> alberto__: that just deletes the repo, but not the packages that were installed.
[21:02] <alberto__> k1l_ I did what you told me to do, but the file is still there (/etc/apt/sources.list.d)
[21:03] <k1l_> alberto__: removed the # in front of the lines? so now please run ppa-purge on that ppa again
[21:03] <alberto__> k1l_ PPA purged successfully
[21:04] <Furai> Did ubuntu just roll out upgrade for nvidia drivers?
[21:04] <alberto__> k1l_ By the way, I added the repo, but I never installed xfce 4.12
[21:04] <maxscam1> My SSD with Ubuntu installed disappeared. Is it worth trying to find it or should i return the computer?
[21:04] <Furai> Seriously? I've been fighting with the custom upgrade of drivers which I started like 3h ago. And then it turns out that I could just update the system. Wow.
[21:04] <Furai> At some point I wasn't able to start X.
[21:05]  * Furai vents his frustration.
[21:05] <Furai> Sorry guys.
[21:06] <MonkeyDust> Furai  nvidia doesnt like linux, blame nvidia
[21:07] <Furai> Anyway, next time there's update I'll know how to install it manually so I won't be stuck on some obsolete version for a year or so.
[21:09] <birdjesus> is  there anyw way to make globam menu for gnome 3 like unity have?
[21:10] <skweek> I think my internal network card is failing, earlier there wasn't a wireless connection showing up in the network connection, can anyone tell me where on ubuntu wireless network configuration is handled?
[21:12] <VictoriaXOXO> (Asking again. Waited some time.) Q: Okay, so moving away from the "nouveau" driver to the "nvidia" driver did NOT fix tearing in videos and while scrolling fast. What would be the next logical step?
[21:12] <alberto__> In Ubuntu Software Centre, in Software Sources / Other Software there are two entries "Stand-alone" Provided by external software developers
[21:12] <alberto__> When I edit them: URI: http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[21:14] <alberto__> Should I delete those entries?
[21:16] <maxscam1> My SSD with Ubuntu installed disappeared. Is it worth trying to find it or should i return the computer?
[21:16] <nicomachus> maxscam1: what do you mean "disappeared"?
[21:17] <ille> maxscam1: may your ssd is broken. can i think is a samsung ssd?
[21:17] <nirux> define disappeared.
[21:18] <maxscam1> nichomachus: I can see it in the BIOS SATA devices list. It had a Grub bootloader which was working fine until GRUB stopped showing up. Now I look at the computer's partitions and I can't see the SSD at all. Think I may have messed up the compatibility when I updated my linux kernel?
[21:18] <nicomachus> Is it mounted?
[21:19] <maxscam1> nicomachus: no. I am on a Live DVD and I open gparted and see only the HDD not the SSD
[21:19] <wopi> Hi, on a fresh Ubuntu 14.04 with Postfix, I have no logfiles, can somebody help to debug ?
[21:19] <maxscam1> ille: maybe/ It is kingston. It is a new computer though.
[21:19] <nicomachus> VictoriaXOXO: you may find this helpful: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2235382
[21:20] <guntbert> wopi: genreally you should state the concrete problem, if anybody can help they will
[21:20] <guntbert> *generally
[21:20] <VictoriaXOXO> nicomachus: Give me a minute to read.
[21:21] <wopi> guntbert: I expected to have my logs in /var/log/mail/... but there are not there, so I searched, and didn't found any mail related logs
[21:22] <VictoriaXOXO> nicomachus: Of course he/she doesn't tell me how to do the last step. "Save your configuration and restart the X-server."
[21:23] <VictoriaXOXO> I don't even know what "X-server" is. :/
[21:23] <Mati89> Hi! I have Nvidia Prime specific question. Is there any workaround to stop tearing in Unity desktop while using nvidia GPU ? tearing doesn't occur while using integrated chip.
[21:24] <Mati89> VSync is enabled in nvidia settings
[21:24] <preseeder> I am trying to preseed a mini iso with 15.10 downloaded from here -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD . This is my preseed file -> http://hastebin.com/jukiyelanu.hs and these are the forms of txt.cfg i have tried -> http://hastebin.com/haquzuzuru.mel So far the mini iso will not use the preseed file for some reason.Does anyone have an idea why? is it not supported with mini iso's?
[21:24] <Pici> wopi: they're just in /var/log/mail.log
[21:24] <guntbert> wopi: postfix has it's log as /var/log/mail.log and /var/log/mail.err
[21:24] <nicomachus> VictoriaXOXO: if you're using regular Ubuntu, then restarting the X-server is simply `sudo restart lightdm`
[21:24] <wopi> guntbert: yes, that was what I expected, simple apt-get install postfix, then service postfix start, no modifications at all, and they are not there
[21:24] <VictoriaXOXO> nicomachus: Can I send you a pm?
[21:25] <nicomachus> VictoriaXOXO: not recommended. I'm not an expert, and it's better to chat in the channel so other's can correct me when I am (inevitably) wrong.
[21:25] <guntbert> wopi: no, *not* in /var/log/mail/, but in /var/log/
[21:25] <VictoriaXOXO> nicomachus: Oh. :(
[21:26] <nicomachus> you can fix it, have faith. :)
[21:26] <nicomachus> half the fun is in figuring out how.
[21:26] <OerHeks> VictoriaXOXO, what do you mean with "tearing in videos and while scrolling fast" ?
[21:26] <wopi> guntbert: they are nowhere in the /var/log tree
[21:27] <Mati89> VictoriaXOXO: are you using hybrid-gpu or just single nvidia card?
[21:27] <VictoriaXOXO> nicomachus: Stuck on first step. -- http://fpaste.org/292069/81978144/
[21:28] <VictoriaXOXO> OerHeks: You know that horizontal line that disrupts the video?
[21:28] <VictoriaXOXO> OerHeks: And scrolling fast up and down in Firefox.
[21:28] <VictoriaXOXO> Mati89: Single NVIDIA card.
[21:28] <OerHeks> scrolling/moving a window that is playing video in a browser or mediaplayer can give some effects, sounds plausible.
[21:28] <guntbert> wopi: does this help?  https://askubuntu.com/questions/394724/where-are-the-postfix-log-files
[21:28] <VictoriaXOXO> OerHeks: I don't even have to move it. Fullscreen VLC movie tears badly. :(
[21:29] <Mati89> VictoriaXOXO: I've got a tearing fix, but that was KDE4 specific, I don't know if it applies for Ubuntu's desktop environment. You can try it out. Must find it, sec
[21:29] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: This can't be good? http://fpaste.org/292069/81978144/
[21:29] <wopi> guntbert: nope, I read related StackOverflow and AskUbuntu questions
[21:29] <VictoriaXOXO> Mati89: I'll bookmark it. Thanks.
[21:29] <wopi> guntbert: I know how to move in the cli and examine files, but I'm new to postfix and Ubuntu (I use debian on daily basis)
[21:31] <VictoriaXOXO> nicomachus: OerHeks: What on earth is going on here? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13334953/
[21:31] <guntbert> wopi: sorry to be not able to help - bedtime
[21:31] <nicomachus> i'll defer to OerHeks.
[21:31] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: dont use sudo on gui programs
[21:32] <wopi> guntbert: thx
[21:32] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Okay, I won't. But is that why I see those errors? :/
[21:33] <alberto__> I have the following entry in Ubuntu Software Centre:  http://ppa.launchpad.net/xubuntu-dev/xfce-4.12/ubuntu
[21:33] <anon> Hi guys
[21:33] <alberto__> How can I remove it from terminal?
[21:33] <alberto__> sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:xubuntu-dev/xfce-4.12?
[21:34] <Guest20178> can anybody explain me why we as admin on own system everytime need to verify the pwd
[21:34] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: is it the right driver for your card? is it from the ubuntu repo installed?
[21:34] <shamis> verify the password when? each time you install something?
[21:34] <MonkeyDust> Guest20178  start from the beginning, what brings you here
[21:34] <Guest20178> yes
[21:34] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: It's from the additional drivers list. I just chose the one with the highest number.
[21:34] <Guest20178> instal or change
[21:35] <Guest20178> im new to linux btw
[21:35] <k1l_> Guest20178: yes, you need to give the password when using sudo.
[21:35] <Guest20178> but i love it and have respect for it
[21:35] <shamis> it's for safety of the system. to make sure nothing is installed or changed on the system that should be on there
[21:35] <MonkeyDust> Guest20178  it's normal
[21:35] <shamis> shouldn't*
[21:35] <Guest20178> that i know
[21:35] <Dewin> Guest20178: Security best practice says to run as an unprivileged user account unless you're doing something that actually requires privileges.  'sudo' on Linux (and its graphical equivalents) and UAC on Windows are mechanisms for implementing that.
[21:35] <Guest20178> but i mean 100 times a day
[21:36] <Guest20178> is little too much
[21:36] <Guest20178> since im new im curious and exploring everything
[21:36] <MonkeyDust> Guest20178  yes, everytime you change something to the system
[21:36] <shamis> depends on how often you are installing something or changing the system
[21:36] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: does your desktop work?
[21:36] <harduim> You can always su root
[21:36] <harduim> or sudo bash
[21:36] <k1l_> harduim: no
[21:36] <Pici> please no
[21:36] <harduim> =D
[21:36] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Yes, everything works, but I can't live with the tearing in videos and while scrolling fast in my browser.
[21:37] <harduim> Yes you can, but you should not
[21:37] <Pici> Use sudo -i (or -s read the manpage) if you really need an interactive session.
[21:37] <Guest20178> maybe it depends on that i mess the system up ? because of my on knowledge
[21:37] <k1l_> harduim: that is bad advice. so please dont do that here on purpose to show that you are a "linux guru".
[21:37] <harduim> never release the kraken
[21:37] <shamis> it's all personal opinion I guess. I'd rather enter my pass 100 times a day for 100 different changes rather than not know what my system is doing to itself or what something else is doing to my system.
[21:37] <Guest20178> you never know what you can thrust these days
[21:37] <Guest20178> try that
[21:37] <shamis> ^
 By all means, thats not what I intended to
[21:38] <Guest20178> true
[21:38] <Guest20178> me too
[21:38] <Guest20178> but then i need a more easy pwd
[21:38] <OerHeks> VictoriaXOXO, i just run updates, theer is a new nvidia driver available ..
[21:38] <shamis> you'll get used to it.
[21:38] <Seven_Six_Two> if you're doing repeated commands with sudo, your authorization will be valid for a while too. so 100 times a day is unlikely
[21:38] <Guest20178> nvidia suck
[21:38] <Guest20178> sorry
[21:38] <alberto__> How can I find out the name of a repository I have installed?
[21:38] <Guest20178> nothing personal but you know why
[21:39] <alberto__> From terminal
[21:39] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: Why do people start to help me and then just leave me when I answer them? :/
[21:39] <VictoriaXOXO> Yes, I'm a noob. Noobs can't get help?
[21:39] <alberto__> VictoriaXOXO What do you need to know?
[21:39] <OerHeks> Guest20178, please leave those unprofessional comments, thanks, see !guidelines
[21:39] <Guest20178> you cant instal a repo
[21:39] <Mati89> VictoriaXOXO: If VSync is turned on in nvidia settings and you still got tearing, try adding this line at the end of /etc/profile: export __GL_YIELD="USLEEP"
[21:39] <Seven_Six_Two> alberto_, I don't know if there's an official way, but you can look at the file  /etc/apt/sources.list
 Some times google is your best friend... But tell me what do you need?
[21:40] <VictoriaXOXO> alberto__: I want to get rid of the screen tearing while watching videos and scrolling up and down in Firefox.
[21:40] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: what card is it? what ubuntu exactly?
[21:40] <OerHeks> VictoriaXOXO, still don't have a clue what driver you use, i guess the open driver?
[21:40] <VictoriaXOXO> Mati89: I will try, soon.
[21:40] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 and Ubuntu 14.04.
[21:40] <VictoriaXOXO> 15.04.
[21:40] <VictoriaXOXO> XD
[21:41] <Mati89> VictoriaXOXO: restart X afterwards (or reboot)
[21:41] <VictoriaXOXO> OerHeks: No, I moved away from the open driver, because I thought it would fix it.
[21:41] <VictoriaXOXO> Mati89: I'll reboot once I try.
[21:41] <Guest20178> my system crash after the originel driver from my videocard
[21:41] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Sorry about the confusion. Card is correct, but it's 14.04 LTS.
[21:41] <Guest20178> but fair enough, ubunto almost perfect
[21:42] <VictoriaXOXO> The bottom line is: I love my Ubuntu machine, but I refuse to live with screen tearing. Everything else I can solve.
[21:42] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: "dpkg -l | grep nvidia" in a pastebin please
[21:43] <alberto__> Seven_Six_Two That worked, I deleted the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list and now they're gone in Ubuntu Software Centre as well. Thank you.
[21:43] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Uno momento.
[21:43] <Guest20178> anybody need sources ?
[21:43] <Guest20178> i got some :D:D
[21:44] <Guest20178> only thing i need to know is how to make a Cydia :D
[21:44] <Guest20178> for example
 Take a loot at this, maybe that can help "http://www.diolinux.com.br/2015/10/como-remover-o-screen-tearing-no-ubuntu.html"
[21:44] <MonkeyDust> what's a cydia?
[21:44] <Guest20178> just kidding, all confusing
[21:44] <harduim> Its in portuguese BTW
[21:44] <Bernzel> Is cleaning a partition the same as formating a harddrive and deleting all data?
[21:44] <nirux> cydia is the software center for jailbrocken iOS devices.
 Yes it is
[21:44] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13335087/
[21:44] <Bernzel> fuck
[21:44] <Pici> Guest20178: Do you actually have an Ubuntu support question?
[21:45] <Pici> Bernzel: please mind your language here.
[21:45] <Guest20178> who ?
[21:45] <Guest20178> yes
[21:45] <Guest20178> and i had a nickname too
[21:45] <Bernzel> Pici sorry. I just removed 4 years of research...
 What happened?
[21:45] <Guest20178> indeed what happend
[21:45] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: seems like you got a driver version missmatch there
[21:45] <Bernzel> harduim I removed 2tb of research data
[21:45] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Oh? :o
[21:45] <Pici> Bernzel: Depending what you have done, there might be ways to recover.
[21:46] <Dewin> a) Don't panic, you might be able to recover depending on what else you did, b) You should have backups if it's important.
 WOW, have you tried anything to recover?
[21:46] <longerstaff13> cheapie?
[21:46] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: ah no, the nvidia-346-updates links to the nvidia-352-updates. so thats ok.
[21:46] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: so did you just install it?
[21:46] <ToeSnacks> is there a way to show what true packages a virtual package will install with apt?
 Just dont do anything with the drive right now maybe its recoverable
[21:46] <cheapie> longerstaff13: I see you're here. Go ahead and ask your question now, and hopefully somebody can help.
[21:47] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: I chose the driver with the highest number and then hit "Apply changes..." or whatever it is called.
[21:47] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: And rebooted.
[21:47] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: make a reboot to get all the new driver loaded correctly.
[21:47] <Bernzel> harduim , okey.. I'm terrified
[21:47] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Reboot AGAIN?
[21:47] <Acerio> Afternoon.
[21:47] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: no
[21:47] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: so what is the issue now?
 Calm down, what exactly happend ?
[21:48] <Mati89> VictoriaXOXO: did export __GL_YIELD="USLEEP" fix your issue?
[21:48] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Bad tearing in videos and while scrolling up and down fast in Firefox.
[21:48] <VictoriaXOXO> Mati89: I haven't tried that, yet.
[21:48] <VictoriaXOXO> But will, soon.
[21:48] <anon__> there
[21:48] <anon__> but i dont believe my original nick is used....
[21:49] <Mati89> VictoriaXOXO: the other possible solution is to enable TripleBuffer, put it inside x.org conf. Fixed my tearing issues as well on various linux dists.
[21:49] <anon__> how can i be bleu
[21:49] <VictoriaXOXO> Mati89: Yes, I will sure try that one.
[21:49] <anon__> i cant register yet
[21:49] <OerHeks> VictoriaXOXO, follow k1l_ advise first, reinstal the nvidia driver properly.
[21:49] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: try to logout again and back in
[21:49] <Bernzel> hardium , I was going to reinstall windows and followed this guide http://www.disk-partition.com/articles/selected-disk-is-gpt-partition-style.html becuase there was no partition I could install windows on. And it appeared that the drive containing all the valuable data was partition as 0, same as the system drive I was going to clean. So I cleaned both since they both were marked as 0
[21:49] <longerstaff13> : it may be a faulty hard disk or USB drive
[21:49] <k1l_> maybe it needs to use your just set xorg.conf
[21:50] <Dewin> Bernzel: What exactly were you doing when you selected drives to "clean"?
[21:50] <VictoriaXOXO> OerHeks: I am following his advice, but I haven't seen him telling me to reinstall.
[21:50] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Be right back then.
[21:50] <Dewin> Was it the 'diskpart clean' bit?
 Could you please join #ubuntu-mate channel? Here its a little chaotic
[21:51] <Bernzel> hardium , im in
[21:51] <longerstaff13> my computer says that there is an error while copying files to my hard disk
[21:52] <Acerio> longerstaff13: Copy the error? Your HDD just might be old, or has failed.
[21:52] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Uh-oh. This is bad. Extremely low resolution now!
[21:53] <Acerio> longerstaff13: If that is the case, get another HDD and possibly use RAID in case it happens again.
[21:53] <longerstaff13> ok :)
[21:54] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: I will give you 37 imaginary cookies and coffee if you help me through this. Please don't leave me now.
[21:54] <OerHeks> longerstaff13, pastebin the errors, and have a look, before you buy a new hdd
[21:54] <Acerio> OerHeks: Just said that :P
[21:54] <alberto__> What other files, apart from sources.list are there in /etc/apt?
[21:54] <longerstaff13> all the files on the setup
[21:54] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: can you open the nvidia-settings program?
[21:54] <alberto__> I think I accidentally deleted them :(
[21:55] <dnl> hi all
[21:55] <Acerio> Hello dnl.
[21:55] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: From terminal and without sudo?
[21:55] <dnl> i'm having problems with my wifi.. sometime work sometimes stops working
[21:55] <tummi> hi@all
[21:55] <dnl> any suggestions??
[21:55] <Acerio> dnl: Can you ping google?
[21:55] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: from programs
[21:56] <kylebalkissoon> is there a reason xorg should be using 7gb of ram?
[21:56] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: I just did. The entire left list is almost empty now. :(
[21:56] <dnl> Acerio,  it scans the wifi netowks.. but dont connect
[21:56] <Acerio> kylebalkissoon: Use something else then? Perhaps Nvidia drivers, if you use a Nvidia card.
[21:56] <dnl> sometimes works... but sometimes stop working
[21:56] <Acerio> dnl: Perhaps, you don't have a WiFi driver installed!
[21:57] <dnl> Acerio, hum.. it's stange because why sometimes works??
[21:57] <Acerio> dnl: Type "ls /sys/class/net", and look up documentation on the card it says you have.
[21:57] <OerHeks> kylebalkissoon, xorg.log ? if so, there is a big error going on
[21:57] <Acerio> That might be a Arch dir, but I am pretty sure it works for Ubuntu as well.
[21:57] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: hmmm.
[21:58] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Did I just trash my PC? :(
[21:58] <kylebalkissoon> thanks OerHeks i'm gonna look into it
[21:58] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: i am not a video guy. but try removing that xorg.conf again and try a reboot. need to sort out if that is the issue
[21:58] <feefrench> I'm tire of USA president spreading terrorist to my country france
[21:59] <mircx1> Hi i, You Are In My Friends List (ArthasScript)
[21:59] <mircx1> Info Line For i, NOTSET (ArthasScript)
[21:59] <Acerio> feefrench: #ubuntu-offtopic please.
[21:59] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: And there's just one xorg.conf file and in one location?
[21:59] <kylebalkissoon> OerHeks, is there something I should looking for?
[21:59] <waressearcher2> is ubuntu vulnerable to blind icmp-reset attack ?
[22:00] <OerHeks> kylebalkissoon, use tail to see the end of the log, that could be enough to find out
[22:00] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: try a "sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup"
[22:00] <kylebalkissoon> OerHeks, yeah, I found an EQ overflowing
[22:00] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Okay. One moment, please.
[22:00] <Sewerrat> how the hell do i remove ubuntu??
[22:01] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: No errors. I guess it worked?
[22:01] <ubuntu673> @sewerrat, install another operating system
[22:01] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: reboot
[22:01] <nicomachus> !language | Sewerrat
[22:01] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Okay. Be right back!
[22:01] <MonkeyDust> Sewerrat  use your installation device (dvd, usb), run gparted, delete ubuntu partition
[22:02] <Sewerrat> Monkeydust, i did that but it wont recognize any usb
[22:02] <MonkeyDust> Sewerrat  "it"?
[22:02] <anon_> you will recognize me
[22:02] <anon_> if you think back
[22:02] <Sewerrat> the pc
[22:02] <anon_> even then i would't register
[22:03] <anon_> because you never know what is save
[22:03] <anon_> even this
[22:03] <anon_> and i want a bleu name :)
[22:03] <ubuntu673> Sewerrat, copy all files to another hard disk and format the hard disk with ubuntu
[22:03] <anon_> beter copy it to a external disk
[22:03] <anon_> then you got it with you all the time
[22:03] <Mati89> So, back to my nvidia prime tearing issue. Any workarounds for tearing in desktop while using nvidia gpu?
[22:03] <k1l_> waressearcher2: is there a cve for that?
[22:04] <ubuntu673> an external disk is a hard disk too, <anon>
[22:04] <Mati89> the same applies 3D applications, tearing regardless of settings
[22:04] <anon_> i dont know nothing about linux sorry
[22:04] <anon_> im just learning
[22:04] <Sewerrat> harddrives are wiped already with gparted , i only get reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device and press a key
[22:04] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Okay, the resolution is back to normal (thank k1l_ for that), but the tearing is still present.
[22:04] <k1l_> anon_: name coloring of your client is random.
[22:04] <anon_> yeah
[22:05] <anon_> i had the same problem
[22:05] <anon_> you guys like information right ? :P
[22:05] <anon_> enjoy :D
[22:05] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: no open nvidia-settings from programs search
[22:05] <ubuntu673> Sewerrat, reboot and select proper boot device like the message says
[22:06] <mikeliss> Anybody have any ideas why the PPA of Firefox's Nightly builds doesn't update my installation? The PPA is at version 45a1 and my system is still at 44a1.
[22:06] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Done. The left list is populated again.
[22:06] <k1l_> Sewerrat: just install a new OS you like. done
[22:06] <pedro_> Wps
[22:06] <ubuntu673> Sewerrat, what install device do you use, a dvd, a cd or an usb stick?
[22:06] <Sewerrat> Usb stick!
[22:07] <edoderoo> ls ... what is the trick to make a shorter access to a folder, now I have /owncloud/users/xslist/sourcecode/python/projects/filelist and would like to access that with just /shortcut
[22:07] <anon_> ow damn, my mistake :P
[22:07] <ubuntu673> try a dvd if you have a dvd player in your computer
[22:07] <alberto__> Why do I get this output when I type "sudo apt-get update"?
[22:07] <alberto__> http://pastebin.com/HdUnh26h
[22:07] <k1l_> alberto__: no new updates on that servers
[22:08] <ubuntu673> alberto, because you use a Spanish version of ubuntu
[22:08] <Mati89> edoderoo: create softlink maybe?
[22:08] <anon_> tt
[22:08] <joseph_> hello world... anybody using zorin?
[22:09] <Double> im from out space
[22:09] <joseph_> really? what planet?
[22:09] <alberto__> ubuntu673 Yes, but why does it say "Ignoring" or "Ignored"?
[22:09] <ubuntu673> who says outer space contains planets?
[22:09] <Spec-Chum> there is no zorin, only zuul
[22:09] <Li> im from alt
[22:09] <k1l_> !ot | Double
[22:10] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: What am I looking for in there? If you told me, I missed it.
[22:10] <k1l_> joseph_: see the zorin channels for help on that
[22:10] <ubuntu673> alberto, I don't have a clue
[22:10] <joseph_> send me the link to join it,
[22:10] <joseph_> please
[22:11] <edoderoo> splendid, Mati89
[22:11] <k1l_> joseph_: #zorinos
[22:11] <preseeder> I am trying to preseed a mini iso with 15.10 downloaded from here -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD . This is my preseed file -> http://hastebin.com/jukiyelanu.hs and these are the forms of txt.cfg i have tried -> http://hastebin.com/haquzuzuru.mel So far the mini iso will not use the preseed file for some reason.Does anyone have an idea why? is it not supported with mini iso's?
[22:11] <ubuntu673> what is your question about zorin, joseph?
[22:11] <alberto__> Could you please tell me how many files there are in your /etc/apt directory?
[22:12] <ubuntu673> alberto, who?
[22:12] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: try to set it like you want regarding . then save the configuration
[22:12] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Hmm. Okay.
[22:12] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: *regarding resolution etc.
[22:13] <alberto__> Any of you. I think I accidentally deleted files in that directory and I don't know which ones.
[22:13] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Give me a minute. :)
[22:13] <alberto__> I've got three files and four directories.
[22:15] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Okay, so I manually set 1920x1080@60 and saved it. New and fresh xorg.conf appeared in the /etc/X11 folder.
[22:15] <ubuntu673> @alberto, I can't help you
[22:16] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: ok. try relogin
[22:16] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Be right back.
[22:16] <VictoriaXOXO> (Logging)
[22:16] <NightKhaos> I'm getting a hash some mismatch when updating from security.ubuntu.com?
[22:17] <k1l_> NightKhaos: just wait some time to let the server get in sync again
[22:18] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Done. What would the next step be if the tearing is still present? (It is.)
[22:18] <NightKhaos> k1l_: Ahh, yep. Just tried again. It's synced now.
[22:19] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: dont know. please show the result of: lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
[22:20] <Mati89> VictoriaXOXO: you can try adding following in x.org conf:  Option "TripleBuffer" "True" if not present under device section
[22:20] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13335489/
[22:20] <VictoriaXOXO> Mati89: Wait. Is it xorg.conf or x.org.conf? :/
[22:20] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: hmm. ok, so the nvidia driver is in use. maybe some nvidia guys knows more about that card and issues
[22:21] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Oh, no. If YOU don't know, then... Guuuulp.
[22:22] <Mati89> VictoriaXOXO: xorg.conf - you should have all nvidia related settings there
[22:22] <VictoriaXOXO> Mati89: Did you find what you were looking for?
[22:22] <ubuntu673> good luck, Victoria
[22:22] <VictoriaXOXO> ubuntu673: Thanks. I need it.
[22:23] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Mati89: Can I just add lines to that xorg.conf file while it's "in use" or do I have to stop things first?
[22:24] <Mati89> VictoriaXOXO: you can add that line in use
[22:24] <VictoriaXOXO> Mati89: When is it applied? After reboot?
[22:24] <ubuntu673> maybe a restart is needed after saving the file with the extra lines
[22:24] <Mati89> VictoriaXOXO: it should be inserted inside Section "Device" before Section end.
[22:25] <Mati89> VictoriaXOXO: yes.
[22:25] <VictoriaXOXO> Mati89: Yes, I'm looking at a guide that is telling me the same thing, with his example file.
[22:25] <VictoriaXOXO> I hate having to reboot all the time when my encryption passphrase is like 78 long. :P
[22:25] <ubuntu673> you need to save the file after adding the extra lines and reboot, Victoria
[22:26] <VictoriaXOXO> I will do that.
[22:26] <Mati89> VictoriaXOXO: this might do the trick :) let's hope so
[22:26] <ubuntu673> maybe it is possible to copy the encrypted passphrae of 78 character, Victoria
[22:26] <VictoriaXOXO> Mati89: I'll go nuts of happiness if it fixes the tearing.
[22:27] <VictoriaXOXO> ubuntu673: What do you mean?
[22:27] <ubuntu673> Victoria, maybe you can serve some candy
[22:28] <ubuntu673> like copy the passphrase and paste it in the password window
[22:29] <VictoriaXOXO> ubuntu673: Copy it from where? :|
[22:29] <VictoriaXOXO> And there's no window or dialog box. I remove the stupid "quiet splash" line.
[22:29] <VictoriaXOXO> removed*
[22:30] <linuxey> Fairly simple question... to cleanly update my 14.04.2 OS to the latest supported packages.... would i just add in the latest 14.04.3 repo to souces and dist-upgrade against that? Or is there a "better" updates repo?
[22:31] <ubuntu673> good luck with typing your encrypted pass phrase of 78 characters, Victoria
[22:31] <VictoriaXOXO> XD
[22:31] <k1l_> linuxey: on ubuntu you dont fiddle with the repos
[22:31] <linuxey> I have to fiddle
[22:31] <k1l_> linuxey: just run "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" that will bring you on the latest state of all packages
[22:32] <linuxey> I am supporting offline deployments with local mirrors
[22:32] <linuxey> I dont need commands as much as I do the proper source repo
[22:32] <k1l_> linuxey: 14.04.2 is just a point release. its like the servicepacks on windows. there is no 14.04.2 repo.
[22:32] <k1l_> linuxey: there is no extra repo. its all the same repo.
[22:32] <Li> for some unknown reason! skype on my ubuntu showing numbers in hindi digits!!!
[22:33] <Li> how to change that to normal numbers just like the rest of the system apps
[22:33] <ubuntu673> Li, change the language and numbers style and fonts
[22:33] <Li> ubuntu673: where is that?
[22:34] <ubuntu673> Victoria, does it work?
[22:34] <linuxey> k1l: No.. there is - I have the DVD rip / install repo, then additional packages from trusty/main installed. So I can see - maybe just the trusty main, universe, blah is the latest updates for 14.04.x
[22:34] <VictoriaXOXO> ubuntu673: Does what work?
[22:34] <ubuntu673> does your computer work the way you want and is your screen okay?
[22:34] <VictoriaXOXO> Everything is just fine except for the tearing.
[22:35] <howlymowly> hi everyone .... short question:  I have installed ubuntu without any problems alongside windows10. both systems are working as intendet..  only grub is not boot ed automatically I can only get into the installed ubuntu when I do "sudo efibootmgr -n 0003 "   to make the uefi automatically start my ubuntu partition on next boot  but as soon as I reboot this setting is deleted and I have to do all of this again
[22:35] <ubuntu673> so you didn't manage to fix the tearing yet
[22:35] <VictoriaXOXO> ubuntu673: Not yet.
[22:35] <k1l_> linuxey: there is just one 14.04 repo. and the 14.04.2 or 14.04.3 are just including the state for the time when the 14.04.2 was released. so you dont have to udpate 2GB of data after the install
[22:35] <howlymowly> how do I automatically make it boot into grub?
[22:36] <k1l_> linuxey: so, update your local mirror with the latest state of trusty and its got the 14.04.3 state. (plus the updates from the 14.,04.3 release untill now)
[22:36] <linuxey> i got it. thanks
[22:37] <anon_> wat heb ik je gezegd
[22:37] <linuxey> So what I will have to do is track the updates I use and download them to the local repo
[22:37] <anon_> Verander men naam terug of ik doe het zelf en vragen ze weer indendificatie
[22:37] <anon_> so
[22:37] <anon_> info if free
[22:37] <k1l_> !be | anon_
[22:37] <linuxey> My master repo has internet access
[22:38] <ubuntu673> wat is er met je naam, anon?
[22:38] <Mati89> VictoriaXOXO: Did triple buffering and "profile" workaround worked out?
[22:38] <anon_> Verkeerd geschreven
[22:39] <k1l_> anon_: ubuntu673 #ubuntu-be for that please. this channel is english only
[22:39] <ubuntu673> Victoria, maybe you can install Ubuntu again to solve the tearing issue
[22:39] <MonkeyDust> guys, i'm dutch speaking too, keep it English here
[22:39] <VictoriaXOXO> Mati89: I haven't tried yet, but what do you mean with "profile" workaround? What have I forgotten now?
[22:39] <ubuntu673> hello Monkeydust
[22:40] <anon_> nee nu als Anon
[22:40] <anon_> ;)
[22:40] <ubuntu673> Victoria, maybe it is an easy solution to install Ubuntu again
[22:40] <MonkeyDust> anon_  stop
[22:40] <Acerio> anon_: Please speak English
[22:40] <Mati89> VictoriaXOXO: if the triple buffer option doesn't solve tearing, you can still try adding the export __GL_YIELD="USLEEP" line in /etc/profile
[22:41] <anon_> ok dan..
[22:41] <VictoriaXOXO> Mati89: Oh, so that's what "profile" workaround means. :P I get it now.
[22:41] <anon_> i will speak english
[22:41] <VictoriaXOXO> Mati89: Did you have to do that? What does it do?
[22:41] <anon_> invite me in channel
[22:41] <Mati89> VictoriaXOXO: Indeed :D, it may work as well
[22:41] <anon_> then i leave in 1 min i promise...
[22:41] <Guest74193> hello guys, need help with updates .. says that update information is outdated.
[22:41] <k1l_> anon_: #ubuntu-be
[22:42] <ubuntu673> anon_, please don't leave
[22:42] <anon_> why not
[22:42] <k1l_> Guest74193: what is "lsb_release -d" ?
[22:42] <MonkeyDust> anon_  ubuntu673 this is the support channel, confine yourself to support questions
[22:42] <Mati89> VictoriaXOXO: Yes, I have to do that on my Archlinux with KDE4 and NVIDIA gpu to remove all tearing.
[22:42] <anon_> im just here for some info
[22:42] <anon_> that i was
[22:43] <VictoriaXOXO> Mati89: What exactly does it do?
[22:43] <anon_> i was asking why ubunto ask me so much pwd
[22:43] <anon_> and im trying to help
[22:43] <anon_> but you guys looked me up...
[22:43] <MonkeyDust> anon_  for security reasons
[22:43] <k1l_> anon_: stop that chatting in here. please keep this channel to ubuntu support only. its unfair for the other users who need help
[22:44]  * OerHeks never got that much warnings  being offtopic
[22:44] <Mati89> VictoriaXOXO: what I understood, it enables vsync on startup and makes it persistent. I don't know the exact mechanism behind it, but it solved my tearing issue. It may work in Ubuntu as well.
[22:45] <ubuntu673> Victoria, just install Ubuntu again
[22:45] <k1l_> ubuntu673: that is not helpfull
[22:45] <harduim> Not at all
[22:46] <ubuntu673> it might solve her issue, k1l_, because a fresh installation might not have the tearing issue
[22:46] <Mati89> ubuntu673: reinstalling won't solve that issue at all.
[22:46] <k1l_> ubuntu673: no. it wont help with tearing.
[22:47] <j0hnsm1th> hi, what i want to achieve is have a directory which cannot be renamed by a user, but all the files within it are read/writable - the problem i have run into is that if i set a directory as readonly the immediate children of that directory are also all readonly
[22:47] <Mati89> VictoriaXOXO: anyway, that line is not harmful at all, it's just exporting the following option which shall prevent tearing so give it a try.
[22:47] <VictoriaXOXO> Mati89: I will. Thanks. :)
[22:48] <Mati89> VictoriaXOXO: np. I will google around for my tearing problems now
[22:50] <MonkeyDust> j0hnsm1th  i tried it with a single file, sudo chown did the job
[22:56] <ubuntu673> how do I hide the notifications of this chat?
[22:57] <edoderoo> might depend on your client
[22:57] <ikonia> !notifications | ubuntu673
[22:57] <edoderoo> !notifications
[22:57] <OerHeks> depends on the irc client http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/Hide_join_part_messages
[22:58] <ubuntu673> !notifications
[22:58] <edoderoo> ubottu	Sorry, I don't know anything about notifications
[22:58] <ikonia> thank you, it seems ubottu is lagging
[22:58] <edoderoo> abotta .. you're only a women ... I know enough
[22:59] <OerHeks> ikonia, found it, the command =  !quietirc
[22:59] <ikonia> just found it myself
[23:00] <ikonia> it's lagging quite hard, so not quick on the responses at the moment
[23:00] <anon_> busy
[23:00] <edoderoo> wikipedia.EditConflict
[23:01] <ubuntu673> !quietirc
[23:01] <ubuntu673> thanks everybody for the suggestions
[23:01] <edoderoo> ubottu sounds like an Italian name
[23:03] <owen1> i installed jenkins and it looks like it's not creating /home/jenkins folder. can i just mkdir this missing folder+
[23:03] <owen1> ?
[23:04] <edoderoo> add sudo in front of mkdir
[23:04] <owen1> edoderoo: ok. i tried 'mkhomedir_helper jenkins' but nothing happened
[23:04] <edoderoo> but is jenkins a username?
[23:05] <owen1> jenkins:x:107:111:Jenkins,,,:/var/lib/jenkins:/bin/bash
[23:06] <owen1> edoderoo: ^
[23:06] <n8s> hi all
[23:07] <n8s> is this the correct channel to ask for a bit of help?
[23:07] <daftykins> yes
[23:07] <VictoriaXOXO> Well, if you need help with Ubuntu. :P
[23:07] <n8s> ok, this may be not specific enough, but let me try
[23:08] <Guest95260> evening
[23:08] <Guest95260> how's everyone doing?
[23:08] <daftykins> Guest95260: not a chat channel, support only.
[23:08] <n8s> i'm currently trying to move from windows 10 and embrace linux, i've recently began to care about privacy and open source software
[23:08] <Guest95260> good to know thanks
[23:09] <daftykins> n8s: really just the support question and not the life story might be best :)
[23:09] <n8s> i'ts been a month now working with ubuntu both in laptop and desktop, so far im happy BUT (here comes the question, sorry but background is very much needed)
[23:10] <n8s> i've had quite a few "mini" problems, with nautilus, virtualization... several annoyances
[23:10] <n8s> so i'd like to ask
[23:10] <n8s> will this "annoyances" dissapear once i go with the LTS on the next release?
[23:10]  * daftykins waits for the question mark to be used
[23:11] <daftykins> we still have no idea what you're talking about n8s - so how could we comment on knowing when things would change?
[23:12] <n8s> im sorry but it's not a specific question, if it can be, it would be something like. Is ubuntu LTS more stable than the intermediate releases?
[23:13] <k1l_> n8s: boths are pretty stable. but the focus is a bit more on LTS since it got 5 years support.
[23:14] <k1l_> n8s: but that is no guarantee that LTS doesnt have any issues for you. so best is to see what specific issues there are and how to solve them
[23:14] <ubuntu673> probably not, n8s
[23:14] <n8s> right now for example, i cant delete files from drives when accesing them through a symlink on nautilus, it crashes
[23:15] <n8s> also, installing vmware player turned my system very unstable
[23:15] <ubuntu673> so delete files using the console, n8s
[23:15] <ubuntu673> do you need the vmware player, n8s?
[23:15] <k1l_> for vmware issues talk to them. its prop. software and we cant do anything about that.
[23:15] <n8s> i've already found a workaround, but anyway, it's just an example, is this the current desktop experience for linux?
[23:16] <n8s> i need virtualization, and i need good 2d acceleration, vmware worked fine in windows for me
[23:16] <ubuntu673> linux and ubuntu are usually seen as very stable operating systems, n8s, maybe you can reinstall your ubuntu
 You really like telling people to reinstall, dont you?
[23:17] <n8s> actually my desktop install is very recent, and honestly reinstalling sound too much like windows... been there already, i'd rather try to work it out
[23:18] <Ben64> n8s: you need to explain the problem better
[23:19] <NoteOn> hi, ubuntu-studio 15.04 jack to alsa no sound
 He's advising reinstall for everyone
[23:19] <NoteOn> its xfcce and checked termial alsamixer but can't find issue
[23:19] <ubuntu673> maybe your vmware player isn't installed correctly, n8s, you can try to install it again
[23:19] <ubuntu673> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware/Player m8s
[23:20] <k1l_> n8s: desktop is working very fine for me.
[23:20] <n8s> Ben64, i know, but it's been a bunch of problems, never a big one, but anyway nothing like a "clean" experience
[23:20] <NoteOn> when LMMS setup to alsa (not jack) sound is ok. so seems not xfce's volume control part
[23:20] <harduim> What do you guys think about these systemd dilemma?
[23:20] <ubuntu673> harduim, a fresh installation solves lots of issues
[23:20] <Ben64> n8s: theres no way you can get help here without explaining a problem
[23:20] <n8s> i wonder if this is more an unity problem maybe? is unity less stable than others?
[23:21] <profanity> short question. if i type "$ find" in terminal in a specified directory, it lists all files in there, but what to i do to see the file extensions?
 And a new computer also...
[23:21] <k1l_> n8s: no, unity is fine
[23:21] <Ben64> profanity: not every file has an extension, they're not really needed in linux
[23:22] <k1l_> ubuntu673: stop advising reinstall for every issue.
[23:22] <n8s> Ben64, i was just looking for some feedback on stability for production use in desktop from people already using it since long ago.
[23:22] <profanity> @Ben64 im trying to ease a prossess in a game. it has 8 files, 7 of them is "data" and 1 is "ascii"
[23:22] <linuxey> profanity: perhaps you are looking for a certain file type? Do you want something like: find . -type f -name *.tar ?
[23:22] <ubuntu673> k1l_, that command puts an end to my solution for all problems
[23:23] <n8s> Ben64, but here comes a precise question, this really annoys me. Whenever i install an application, 80% of the times, i have to log out and back in for the unity dash to find it. Is there a way for it to auto refresh the apps?
[23:23] <Ben64> n8s: this isn't really the channel to poll people
[23:23] <ubuntu673> n8s, are you talking about ubuntu?
[23:24] <n8s> ubuntu673, yes, ubuntu 15.10 all updated
[23:24] <profanity> @linuxey i dont know what the filetype is, i only need to find out wich file is usable instead of using $ file /directory/file1  and upwwards
[23:24] <Ben64> n8s: ah ok good question. I don't use unity so I can't really test that here
 I'm using for since day 1 without any major problem
[23:25] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: Does anyone in here know what "Option "RegistryDwords" "PerfLevelSrc=0x2222"" in xorg.conf does?
[23:25] <Ben64> profanity: can you explain exactly what you want to accomplish
 Any progress?
[23:26] <n8s> Ben64, thanks anyway. Anyone else can help with the refresh menu problem?
[23:26] <ubuntu673> k1l_, are you a mod in this irc?
[23:26] <ki7mt> n8s, First off, IMHO, production use and short term supported release(s) do not go together well. It's ok for testing, but my rule is, LTS for production, and the interim releases for testing only.
[23:26] <Ben64> n8s: maybe someone here knows, wait around and see
[23:26] <k1l_> ubuntu673: does it matter? just telling everyone to reinstall is not helpfull. stop that
[23:26] <Ben64> ubuntu673: it doesn't matter who is or isn't a mod. telling everyone to reinstall is bad support
[23:26] <profanity> @Ben64 i want to find an unknown textfile between several other files in a directory in one command, instead of checking all files separately
[23:27] <profanity> @Ben64 if its possible, that is:P
[23:27] <VictoriaXOXO> harduim: I want to know what "Option "RegistryDwords" "PerfLevelSrc=0x2222" does first. :P
[23:27] <n8s> ki7mt, i agree with you, but when i decided to jump in the train, 15.10 is what i found
[23:27] <kisb> grep?
[23:27] <ubuntu673> k1l_, yes, it matters, because giving a command without being a mod is acting like a mod although the advice is helpful
 I dont know =P
[23:27] <kitkat> Yo playa hata
[23:27] <linuxey> profanity: without more info, I can guess that maybe you want to iterate over the files you find. Try using -exec with find. % find . -type f -exec file {} \;  and then a filter on the file query
[23:27] <Ben64> profanity: it sure is. "find -type f -exec file {} \;"
[23:27] <ki7mt> n8s, yeah, that happens, but I think I'd look at re-imaging to 14.04 LTS and testing on 15.10, but that's just me.
[23:28] <wryfi> in trusty, how do i get ubuntu to reconfigure my interfaces based on what's in /etc/network/interfaces? (e.g. an equivalent of the old `/etc/init.d/networking restart` which now seems to do nothing)
[23:28] <kitkat> Wuz up ya all
[23:28] <kitkat> Im setting servers
[23:29] <Ben64> wryfi: sudo service networking restart
[23:29] <wryfi> Ben64: does nothing
[23:29] <Ben64> note that it's not the same as /etc/init.d/...
[23:29] <linuxey> and ifdown eth1;ifup eth1 ?
[23:29] <kitkat> Setting up servers for my new cloud service
[23:29] <profanity> Thats it @linuxey and @Ben64. thanks, that helped! now i just need to learn why:P (reading up on -exec and -type
[23:29] <n8s> ki7mt, but wouldnt 14.04 be now "too old"? maybe i'm wrong and its not that outdated
[23:29] <linuxey> sorry Ben64: ifdown/ifup
[23:30] <Ben64> profanity: man find
[23:30] <Ben64> profanity: tons of good stuff in there
[23:30] <kitkat> Apaches lacking a lot
[23:30] <Mati89> VictoriaXOXO: those are performance level settings of your GPU.
[23:30] <linuxey> Ben64: nice. the ol RTFM answer ;)
[23:30] <profanity> i figured:P man and -h or --help
[23:30] <daftykins> kitkat: you're making conversation more than you are finding specific support questions, so you may want to move to #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:31] <Ben64> linuxey: hey, gave an answer AND how to find more answers :)
[23:31] <VictoriaXOXO> Mati89: Why did a guide about tearing tell me about that line? :/
[23:31] <Anon_Elite> #it wasnt you
[23:31] <thetrav> I have two identical machines here, (one digit off in serial number) with network cables plugged into the same port on each...  One of them labels the Nic as eth2 the other eth5.   Does anyone know where I can read up on how ubuntu decides on that label?
[23:31] <linuxey> profanity: remenber - if you're on a newer Ubuntu version, you can tab complete many commands to get next args
[23:31] <ki7mt> n8s, For me, no, not at all, it's the latest LTS release, and has support to like mid-2019 or something like that.
[23:31] <Mati89> VictoriaXOXO: I have not idea.. this option have nothing to do with vsync
[23:31] <Mati89> no*
[23:31] <VictoriaXOXO> Mati89: Hmm. I'll skip it then.
[23:32] <kitkat> Ppl shouldnt troll me
[23:32] <howlymowly> hi evryone..  short question:  how do I set grub as the default bootloader in a dualboot configuration with windows 10 and ubuntu 15.10?   using efibootmgr -o 0000,0001  etc..  i was able to boot into ubuntu *once*  but after a restart is was immediatily set back to the windows bootloader  any idea?
[23:33] <kitkat> So chill
[23:33] <thetrav> hmm... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consistent_Network_Device_Naming bummer, looks like it's sort of addressed when ubuntu upgrades to systemd
[23:33] <daftykins> howlymowly: change the entry in your EFI
[23:33] <ki7mt> n8s, here ya go: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[23:33] <n8s> ki7mt, correct me if im wrong, but being supported means security-related patches only isnt it? no new functionality
[23:33] <kitkat> Thanks
[23:33] <Acerio> Testing, did anyone get this?
[23:33] <k1l_> kitkat: anything specific support related? if not please take the chat somewhere else.
[23:34] <kitkat> Here we go
[23:34] <daftykins> !ot | kitkat
[23:34] <kitkat> Another troll emerges from his or her cave to bark orders. Cute.
[23:34] <truexfan81> how hard is it to upgrade via package management from lts to latest non-lts without it breaking?
[23:34] <kitkat> Ot troll chill
[23:35] <ubuntu397> kitkat, it seems they even ban nice people
[23:35] <ki7mt> n8s, read the link I sent you, it explains it better than I can paraphrase.
[23:35] <truexfan81> i'm about to experiment with it in a vm, i just want to know what to expect
 Is uefi enabled?
[23:35] <OerHeks> ubuntu397, never without reason, you know that, now stay ontopic please.
[23:35] <howlymowly> daftykins: didnt I do that already with "efibootmgr -o" ?
[23:35] <daftykins> howlymowly: go check
[23:36] <howlymowly> harduim: yes
[23:36] <n8s> ok, ki7mt, link very much appreciated. Are you currently using 14.04 by any chance?
[23:36] <OerHeks> truexfan81, latest lts to latest, is a hard way > 14.04 lts > 14.10 ( EOL ) > 15.04 > 15.10 ...
 And what is the first boot option?
[23:37] <truexfan81> OerHeks: ty, i'll do it that way then
[23:37] <howlymowly> harduim: I already installed everything ..  first boot option shows "0002"  which is windows
[23:37] <truexfan81> i've not even checked but what is latest non lts?
[23:37] <ki7mt> n8s, Yup, Im on it right now, but I alwo have partitions for each of the intervals that are still being maintained, Vivid / Wily and now Xenial (16.04 next LTS release)
[23:37] <OerHeks> truexfan81, to pass 14.10, you would need the old-versions trick in !eolupgrade
[23:37] <howlymowly> harduim: yes,  it seems that uefi is enabled as I can use efibootmgr and also booted into ubuntu using efibootmgr  -n
[23:37] <n8s> what kernel version is currently 14.04 in?
[23:38] <truexfan81> 3.9.something
[23:38] <ki7mt> n8s, uname -r says 3.19.0.33-generic
[23:38] <k1l_> n8s: 3.13, 3.19 or in short time 4.2. see "enablement stack"
[23:38] <truexfan81> 3.19 my bad
[23:39] <n8s> and it will stay there at 3.19? if you want to go 4.2 you need to do it manually?
[23:40] <k1l_> !enablementstack | n8s see the pictures at the end
[23:40] <n8s> (im asking that because i have a radeon 280x as graphic card, and it seems like 4.2 is superb w it
[23:40] <daftykins> n8s: maybe for the open source driver it provides, but you'd likely not want that anyway
[23:41] <n8s> so, last question... (and thanks everyone for bearing with me)
[23:41] <ki7mt> n8s, If you have a kernel you like, putting a hold on the package is one way to ensure it sticky
[23:42] <k1l_> ki7mt: not an option. you dont get security updates than.
[23:42] <n8s> if i reinstall with 14.04, can i go to 4.2 kernel right after i finish installation?
[23:42] <daftykins> ki7mt: yeah very unwise advice
[23:42] <daftykins> n8s: no
[23:42] <ki7mt> Why?
[23:42] <daftykins> ki7mt: see above...
[23:42] <truexfan81> question for ya, what is it that vmware player does that is able to change how the ubuntu installer works?
[23:43] <k1l_> ki7mt: see ubuntu.com/usn and search for kernel issues. you wont get them installed so your system is vulnerable then
 have you tried switching to legacy mode?
[23:43] <n8s> ahhh ok, now i understand the graphic...
[23:43] <ki7mt> daftykins, Of course you don't get security updates, that's a given if you hold any package, but you also wont get a busted driver either, it's a give and take.
[23:43] <k1l_> n8s: there is a test 4.2 kernel in 14.04 already. please see the wiki page the bot linked
[23:43] <daftykins> truexfan81: ask vmware, that has nothing to do with ubuntu support
[23:44] <Octavius> wheres the drugs
[23:44] <n8s> so if im not wrong, 14.04 will officially get 4.2 on feb-2016
[23:44] <daftykins> ki7mt: no that's utterly terrible advice, you don't do that just for drivers - you stay on those specific major kernel versions still, it's just the -## updates that come in
[23:45] <ki7mt> daftykins, Ok, Ok, well I said that is one way, I didn't say it's "the best way"
[23:45] <Ben64> its not even a way
[23:46] <daftykins> it's not a solution so please don't give it again :)
[23:46] <n8s> ki7mt, daftykins, i understood what ki7mt tried to say i guess :)
[23:46] <daftykins> you might as well be telling someone to reinstall with Windows XP
[23:46] <n8s> lol
[23:46] <Ben64> n8s: yeah ki7mt said to lock your kernel and not get any bug fixes or security updates
[23:46] <k1l_> n8s: yes. but it wont last forever. you will need to change to the next kernel after some time
[23:47] <ki7mt> daftykins, It is a way, very much so,  but this horse is dead, nuff said.
[23:47] <daftykins> ki7mt: no.
[23:47] <Ben64> even though it doesn't solve anything, the drivers aren't going to change between the versions in ubuntu
[23:47] <Ben64> each version of ubuntu is already locked into a specific kernel, and only gets updates to fix problems
[23:48] <n8s> im reading there are problems with catalyst and unity on 14.04... any of you running 14.04 got an AMD card? how does it work?
[23:48] <yapme> hi there
[23:48] <ki7mt> lol .. then i'ts not a "specific kernel" then is it if the kernel version changes, that's not locked.
[23:48] <daftykins> but the kernel version doesn't change
[23:48] <Ben64> 3.13.0-64 to 3.13.0-65 is the same kernel version, don't be silly
[23:49] <daftykins> methinks someone has some bedtime reading to do :)
[23:49] <function9x> hi guys, I've got a usb controller, and on dmesg it comes up as usb-xxx-etc/input0  how can I change that to /dev/input/js0 ?
[23:49] <daftykins> !amd | n8s might be something here
[23:49] <daftykins> n8s: what is the lspci entry of your graphics device?
[23:50] <n8s> daftykins, can you give me the full command?
[23:50] <daftykins> n8s: yeah sure... lspci
[23:51] <n8s> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Tahiti XT [Radeon HD 7970/8970 OEM / R9 280X]
[23:51] <n8s> 01:00.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Tahiti XT HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 7970 Series]
[23:51] <harduim> n8s http://paste.ubuntu.com
[23:51] <n8s> i actually did lspci | grep AMD, not sure if this is what you asked for
[23:52] <daftykins> well it achieved the same thing, but what i had in my head was the idea you'd read the output and only paste a single line of the relevant part
[23:52] <daftykins> sadly i always expect too much
[23:53] <n8s> hey, it was 2 lines :) i didnt do it THAT bad :)
[23:53] <function9x> it's to be expected
[23:53] <daftykins> pretty obvious the HDMI audio device doesn't matter though
[23:53] <daftykins> n8s: so have you used the ubuntu additional drivers utility to install fglrx, or are you just using the open driver?
[23:54] <n8s> im on the open driver, i've read bad things with the propietary one
[23:54] <daftykins> yeah welcome to owning an AMD product and using Linux, no wonder you're after a newer kernel then
[23:54] <n8s> oh
[23:54] <daftykins> if i were you - i would wait until the wily HWE stack drops for 14.04 trusty, then just reinstall from what will likely be 14.04.4 media - which will use it as default
[23:54] <n8s> so it is that bad to have a radeon card?
[23:54] <daftykins> yes
[23:55] <n8s> :(
[23:55] <n8s> ok, sounds smart to do that
[23:55] <Ben64> they've gotten better lately
[23:56] <howlymowly> harduim: I cant boot into windows anymore once I mae the switch to legacy mode
[23:57] <n8s> howlymowly, that's probably because you installed windows in EFI mode... happened to me not long ago
[23:57] <daftykins> howlymowly: as i said just change the boot entry inside the EFI :) what make and model is this system?
[23:57] <daftykins> well obviously both OSs are installed as EFI, whoever told you to change to legacy is SEVERELY misinformed and should not be giving advice
[23:57] <ki7mt> Ok, this has got me really wound up now, so explain me this, why does the hold function even exist, be for the kernel or any other package for that matter.
 I just asked...
[23:58] <daftykins> ki7mt: it works on a package level, it doesn't care if it's the kernel or not - so that argument is moot.
[23:58] <ki7mt> of course it works at the package level, that's the point
[23:58] <daftykins> yeah so like i'm saying, it doesn't care that your action is insane