[07:36] <dholbach> good morning
[08:24] <Kivi> morning
[08:33] <Kivi> !ping
[10:45] <rpadovani> mhall119, o/ how are you? :-)
[10:49] <popey> Asleep probably :)
[10:50] <rpadovani> well, I'll ping him later then :D
[10:50] <popey> \o/ coffee time
[12:23] <peter1858>  Hi. I'm interested in starting a game project (or finding out if there's something similar going). I'd like to see if I can get people together a bit at a time and try and grow support.
[12:37] <popey> zbenjamin, what's the magic incantation to clear up all these schroots :(
[12:37] <popey> zbenjamin, schroot --all-sessions --end-session tells me I have files open
[12:38] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13344821/
[12:45] <bzoltan_> popey:  I usually use lazy umount, that helps
[12:45] <popey> how? I just booted my pc, not opened any sdk things at all and it's mounted
[12:56]  * popey reboots to single user mode to nuke these schroots >:|
[13:55] <popey> balloons, did you see the ping yesterday from Stefano about docviewer stuff not landing? https://core-apps-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/docviewer-app-autolanding/
[13:56] <popey>  nothing seems to be happening there
[14:28] <popey> bzoltan_, zbenjamin i updated my desktop to the new shiny sdk, and now i have two icons in my dash, ubuntu-sdk and ubuntu-sdk-ide... is that right?
[14:28] <popey> I opened ubuntu-sdk-ide and get an OpenGL error :S
[14:29] <zbenjamin> popey: an opengl error? Thats a new one. What Ubuntu version are you running?
[14:29] <popey> 15.10
[14:29] <zbenjamin> popey: first the two icons: did you remove the qtcreator as described in the mail/blog post?
[14:30] <popey> http://imgur.com/tCXqJI4
[14:30] <zbenjamin> the old
[14:30] <popey> no
[14:30] <popey> i just dist-upgraded like I usually do
[14:30] <popey> wouldn't normally have to read emails to update my machine :)
[14:31] <zbenjamin> popey: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2015/11/19/here-comes-brand-new-ubuntu-sdk-ide-tools/
[14:31] <zbenjamin> popey: the gl error is weird. Does QtC still start?
[14:32] <popey> there's 3 of those dialogs
[14:32] <popey> I can't dismiss them
[14:32]  * popey breaks out xkill
[14:32] <popey> no, qtc won't launch
[14:32] <popey> same errors
[14:32] <zbenjamin> dang
[14:33]  * popey removes qtcreator and qtcreator-plugin*
[14:33] <popey> it worries me that others may see this without having seen the blog post
[14:34] <zbenjamin> popey: it should not harm , other than having 2 qtcs installed.
[14:34] <zbenjamin> popey: you could try to reset your config
[14:35] <zbenjamin> popey: opengl does work for you?`
[14:35] <popey> nuked some files
[14:35] <zbenjamin> Mirv: ^ ^ ^ ^
[14:35] <popey> now it starts
[14:35] <zbenjamin> popey: what did you kill?
[14:35] <popey> had to nuke some stuff in .config - the usual QtProject QtProject.conf and ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[14:35] <popey> now if i run qtcreator I get the usual sdk wizard
[14:36] <zbenjamin> popey: weird ... oO how could that create a opengl problem ....
[14:36] <popey> so I guess before I removed qtc, I was launching the old one with the new libs?
[14:36] <zbenjamin> popey: finish the wizard and see if you then get the error
[14:36]  * Mirv sees SDK upgrade without any special PPA:s, updates his 14.04!
[14:37] <popey> ok, will take a while, I want to make kits
[14:37] <zbenjamin> popey: you can make kits always :D, just don't waste your time
[14:38] <zbenjamin> popey: also the chroots are still there
[14:38] <popey> no, i manually nuked them
[14:38] <popey> wanted to start clean on this machine
[14:38] <popey> "clean"
[14:38] <zbenjamin> aa ok :), well you can always add chroots in Tools->Options->ubuntu->click
[14:39] <Mirv> zbenjamin: is it ok that the ubuntu-sdk-api* (which seem new packages) don't get installed by default?
[14:39] <zbenjamin> Mirv: yes its a alternative to the dynamic chroots
[14:39] <Mirv> zbenjamin: ok
[14:41] <Mirv> zbenjamin: no error pops up on my 14.04 LTS after upgrade. the only confusing thing is that there are both Ubuntu SDK and Ubuntu SDK IDE items that start the same thing
[14:45] <Mirv> zbenjamin: bzoltan_: very solid work, I don't even know how you've so firmly managed to put it so that the new SDK/QtCreator is always started and I don't manage to start the old, installed one even if I purge and re-install it :)
[14:46] <Mirv> no package error to be seen
[15:12] <popey> zbenjamin, aaaargh!
[15:13] <popey> during the kit creation it crapped out at the end, and forcibly unmounted my _home_ partition
[15:13] <zbenjamin> popey: encryptfs?
[15:13] <popey> yes
[15:14] <zbenjamin> popey: that never worked ... let me guess your old machine was not encrypted?
[15:14] <popey> old machine?
[15:14] <zbenjamin> popey: or old install
[15:14] <popey> this is my desktop which has been around for a long while
[15:14] <popey> pretty sure it worked.
[15:14] <popey> not used it for a while, tend to use my laptop mostly
[15:14] <zbenjamin> you worked around it probably
[15:16] <zbenjamin> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1427264/comments/15
[15:16] <popey> :(
[15:16] <popey> thanks
[15:31] <popey> zbenjamin, Mirv ignore the opengl error, looks like my nvidia driver broke :(
[15:47] <popey> sverzegnassi, this is looking great
[15:47] <popey> I am surprised how fast it is on the E4.5!
[15:48] <balloons> popey, also https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-filemanager-app/fix-internet-check-jenkins/+merge/278026
[15:48] <balloons> for file manager, if you don't mind
[15:49] <popey> done
[15:52] <popey> sverzegnassi, file:///opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.docviewer/0.3.latest/qml/loView/LOViewPage.qml:266:13: QML QQuickImage: Cannot open: file:///opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.docviewer/0.3.latest/graphics/libreoffice.png
[15:53] <popey> sverzegnassi, looks like libreoffice.png isn't installed, probably missed out of cmake?
[15:55] <sverzegnassi> popey: yeah, you're right... didn't had a look at it (it's something that comes from a local branch on my PC)
[15:55] <sverzegnassi> not pushed on LP yet
[15:55] <popey> k
[15:58] <sverzegnassi> I have to go now, thanks popey and balloons!
[15:58] <popey> o/
[15:58] <balloons> sverzegnassi, cheers, thanks
[16:12] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  wow :) No idea what causes that
[16:34] <aitzol76> Anyone who is trying with javascript scopes? I can't solve the this problem in the "Scope Previews" https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-js-scopes/+bug/1516447
[16:35] <davidcalle> alex-abreu ^
[16:36] <alex-abreu> aitzol76, ack I'll have a look at it
[16:40] <popey> ahayzen, gang65 was just updating me on the ongoing issue with uitk1.3 and headerless apps (weather, clock, calculator) - is this a bug in the toolkit?
[16:41] <ahayzen> popey, what particular issue?
[16:42] <ahayzen> there is an animation on startup, but other than that its sortof ok
[16:42] <ahayzen> and an animation when you then switch to a page with a header
[16:42] <ahayzen> those two a minimal
[16:42] <ahayzen> the bigger issue is the weird offset the second time you drag the bottom edge up (but its only in the hint, its fine when its pushed) so that is also pretty minimal
[16:44] <popey> he seems to have gone afk
[16:44] <popey> he was a bit vague tbh
[16:46] <ahayzen> popey, try the branch see what you think... ;-)
[16:47] <popey> ok :)
[16:49] <aitzol76> thank you alex-abreu, I'm trying the soundcloud example on Desktop and 15.04 framework
[16:50] <ahayzen> popey, this branch if you were wondering ;-) https://code.launchpad.net/~ahayzen/ubuntu-weather-app/reboot-uc1.3-bump/+merge/276466
[16:50]  * popey builds
[16:51] <popey> with keys
[16:54] <ahayzen> ;-)
[16:55] <popey> ahayzen, er, that header is a bit nasty
[16:55] <ahayzen> popey, define 'nasty' ;-)
[16:56]  * popey relaunches a few times
[16:56] <ahayzen> haha
[16:56] <ahayzen> i should try it on mobile a bit more, been testing mainly on desktop
[16:57] <popey> it's a bit janky but it will probably be okay
[16:57] <ahayzen> yeah, i'm still not totally sure if its us or the SDK
[16:57] <ahayzen> i'm thinking the latter
[16:59] <ahayzen> zsombi, timp, if i had an app with head { locked: true; visible: false } would you expect the header to be initially show after startup and then slide away or not appear at all?
[17:02] <popey> https://youtu.be/OMqJbc6H6IY - launching weather
[17:03] <popey> https://youtu.be/-12zhplF8f0 - swipe up
[17:03] <popey> ahayzen, i retract my statement that it's nasty
[17:03] <popey> if we're gonna have that header we should enable the header in the .desktop file?
[17:03] <popey> so it transitions smoothly?
[17:04] <popey> then goes away
[17:04] <ahayzen> popey, that swipe up isn't bad, but if you do it again the offset will be wrong and parts hidden in the swipe
[17:04] <ahayzen> popey, i guess we could do that :-/
[17:04] <ahayzen> popey, lets see if the SDK folks say anything, eg what they would expect to happen ;-)
[17:05] <popey> have you pinged any sdk people?
[17:05] <greyback> too many animations :)
[17:05] <ahayzen> popey, at 16:59:05 ^^ ;-)
[17:06] <ahayzen> greyback, yeah its pretty distracting :-)
[17:07] <greyback> ahayzen: I share that opinion. It looks pretty, but there are odd things popping-in/out which spoil the fluidity and this attract my eye
[17:13] <popey> ahayzen, what do other apps which have no header do?
[17:13] <ahayzen> probably the same code, but i haven't tried the others, IIRC Victor has
[17:13] <popey> do such apps even exist
[17:14] <popey> i mean, non core
[17:14] <ahayzen> popey, clock ?
[17:14] <ahayzen> oh
[17:14] <ahayzen> ooooooh
[17:14] <popey> all the rest have headers
[17:14] <ahayzen> erm the fullscreen games?
[17:14] <ahayzen> or certain personal apps :-)
[17:15] <ahayzen> Camera ?
[17:15] <popey> they're not qml
[17:15] <popey> We'd need an app which is a) qml, b) not full screen, c) has no header
[17:15] <ahayzen> my volleyball one is :') but thats still 1.1 or something
[17:15] <popey> d) on the phone
[17:16] <ahayzen> volleyball is on the phone ;-)
[17:16] <popey> :)
[17:16] <ahayzen> popey, uTorch ?
[17:16] <ahayzen> but again only the core/system apps have bumped to 1.3 so far
[17:16] <popey> utorch has a heade
[17:16] <popey> +r
[17:17] <popey> i love the blue expanding thing in utorch
[17:17] <popey> i sometimes open the app just to play with that
[17:17] <ahayzen> is that a header? how have they got no separator and the text is huge
[17:18] <popey> i think so
[17:19] <ahayzen> anyway, that doesn't really help us
[17:21] <ahayzen> popey, the clock's mp https://code.launchpad.net/~gang65/ubuntu-clock-app/ubuntu-clock-app-uitk1.3/+merge/276650
[17:21] <ahayzen> they do the locking the same way, so does theirs animate ?
[17:22] <popey> hey gang65
[17:22] <popey> was just discussing the issue with ahayzen
[17:22] <ahayzen> \o/
[17:22] <gang65> :-D
[17:22] <gang65> Ok great
[17:22] <ahayzen> gang65, clock suffers the same weird slide in affect at startup right ?
[17:23] <gang65> yes
[17:23] <ahayzen> (so its something in the SDK not the weather app)
[17:23] <ahayzen> cool
[17:23] <gang65> In clock we are using also headers for Options
[17:23] <ahayzen> yeah its very similar in flow
[17:23] <gang65> And it is also visible during switching from options to Clock
[17:24] <ahayzen> ah yeah, popey also try pressing the settings button and watch the header animation
[17:24] <popey> yeah
[17:24] <gang65> With Calculator we have problem with BottomEdgePage on which we are storing Favourite calculations
[17:25] <gang65> When you start Calculator keyboard is at bottom
[17:25] <ahayzen> popey, as Victor said you get an animation with the word "Weather" in the header which then changes to "Settings" as it animates
[17:25] <popey> yeah, saw that
[17:26] <popey> can one of you file a uiik bug, and we can add the videos to the description?
[17:26] <popey> I can upload my clicks too
[17:26] <ahayzen> i don't think Victor did make a bug
[17:26]  * ahayzen checks
[17:27] <ahayzen> can't see one, popey we should really have a minimal example not a full app, the SDK guys would prefer that ;-)
[17:28] <ahayzen> gang65, popey, i'll create a bug report :-)
[17:28] <popey> well, the clicks are here, if needed http://people.canonical.com/~alan/uitk1.3bug/
[17:30] <ahayzen> :-)
[17:30] <nemo> Say, is there any reason that: https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/hedgewars/  only has up to 13.10 ?
[17:30] <ahayzen> cool, if i get a moment i might make a quick blank QML file with the issue, unless someone else wants to ;-)
[17:30] <nemo> and claims latest version is 0.9.19 ? (is actually 0.9.22)
[17:30] <nemo> is apps.ubuntu.com unmaintained now?
[17:30] <popey> yes
[17:30] <nemo> 'k
[17:31] <ahayzen> nemo, i usually use http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[17:31] <nemo> should maybe have a notice somewhere
[17:31] <popey> ditto
[17:31] <popey> beuno, ^ see comment from nemo
[17:31] <popey> (he owns it)
[17:31] <nemo> I mostly went just to see what people were saying of latest versions, since all my machines are on LTS
[17:32] <nemo> heh. https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/search/trusty/?q=Hedgewars  riiight
[17:33] <nemo> popey: and, yeah, familiar w/ packages.ubuntu.com - been using it to check if latest version has finally been promoted to backports, but just was curious about user comments
[17:36] <ahayzen> popey, something like bug 1518002 ? (i'll make and add a mini example code in a bit if no one else has)
 zsombi, timp, if i had an app with head { locked: true; visible: false } would you expect the header to be initially show after startup and then slide away or not appear at all?
[17:56] <popey> pmcgowan, fyi https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1518002 could be considered a blocker for some of the core apps (clock/calc/weather)
[17:56] <timp> ahayzen: It should't appear at all, but if you first have another page with a header and you switch, it should slide away.
[17:56] <popey> pmcgowan, videos linked from comment there, so you can see what happens and judge for yourself.
[17:57] <ahayzen> timp, have a look at the bug report ^^ for the videos
[17:57] <ahayzen> timp, i'm probably gonna try and create a mini app to confirm and then you can test against ?
[17:57] <timp> ahayzen: but the configuration using Page.head is a bit complex. We have a new header property in Page (in UITK staging), which works much better
[17:57] <timp> ahayzen: what is the bug?
[17:57] <ahayzen> timp, bug 1518002
[17:58] <timp> ok. I didn't read the full backlog, only the line where I was highlighte.d
[17:58] <timp> thanks
[17:58] <ahayzen> :-)
[17:59] <ahayzen> timp, this affects calc/clock/weather btw
[18:13] <timp> ahayzen, popey: right. Once we land the new header stuff this can all be fixed in the apps. I'll be glad to help you with it.
[18:13] <ahayzen> \o/
[18:13] <timp> ahayzen, popey: Basically it is fixed in UITK, but the apps will need to be updated to use the new stuff
[18:13] <ahayzen> thanks for the comment on the bug
[18:14] <ahayzen> timp, is that stuff in the current OTA8 ?
[18:14] <timp> no
[18:14] <timp> OTA9 I assume, but I need to check with bzoltan_ who does our landings.
[18:15] <popey> i hear there may be a hotfix between now and then
[18:15] <popey> :D
[18:15] <ahayzen> hehe
[18:15]  * ahayzen has already reported one bug that was considered for a hotfix
[18:18] <timp> this change adds a bunch of new components that you can use, so the hotfix would probably mean landing UITK staging
[18:18] <timp> I did fix two smaller header-related bugs, including ahayzen's that can more easily be made into a small hotfix. I just need to be told to create the MR and someone (zoltan) needs to land ti
[18:18] <timp> *it
[18:19] <timp> otherwise it will simply be included in our next landing of staging
[18:21] <imba> hi
[19:25] <ahayzen> timp, that issue Victor said in the mp i *always* get as well
[19:25] <ahayzen> or used to...
[19:26] <ahayzen> used to *always* \o/
[19:26] <timp> ahayzen: wow. I typed my response just now. Is there a camera watching me somewhere? ;)
[19:26] <ahayzen> timp, i get desktop notifications of emails
[19:26] <timp> ah :)
[19:26] <timp> ahayzen: how do you use that file? I always "source export_modules_dir.sh" and it works fine
[19:26] <ahayzen> for a long time i had todo $ . build_paths.inc
[19:27] <ahayzen> $ source export_modules_dir.sh
[19:27] <ahayzen> bash: /bin/build_paths.inc: No such file or directory
[19:27] <ahayzen> ah i still get it :-)
[19:27] <timp> ahayzen: can you report a bug?
[19:27] <ahayzen> so what i have todo is run $ . build_paths.inc ... and then run the others manually
[19:27] <ahayzen> timp, i can if Victor doesn't first
[19:27]  * ahayzen has a list of bugs to report :')
[19:28] <timp> I guess that is less work than having a list of bugs to fix ;)
[19:28] <ahayzen> timp, against uitk right?
[19:28] <timp> ahayzen: yes, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[19:28] <ahayzen> cool either me or Victor will at some point this evening :-)
[19:29] <timp> ahayzen: ok, thanks
[19:29] <timp> zbenjamin: ^ see https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/lessHeaderDisabling/+merge/277713/comments/703424
[19:31] <timp> the code that we have there now makes sense to me. I don't know why it some times doesn't work.
[19:34] <timp> ahayzen: about bug 1518002, a mini app attached to a bug report is always good :)
[19:34] <ahayzen> timp, also on my list todo :-)
[19:34] <timp> great :)
[19:35]  * ahayzen needs a PA
[21:58] <ahayzen> timp, bug 1518106
[23:17] <mcphail> Do we have a way for a confined app to read/write to the SD card yet?
[23:18] <mcphail> (beyond content-hub)?
[23:18] <popey> A few apps have an exception to do that
[23:18] <popey> And they're confined (like docviewer) - jdstrand is the person to ask about that.
[23:18] <mcphail> popey: but won't make it to store, though
[23:18] <popey> I don't know.
[23:18] <popey> Some clearly have. But I don't know what the criteria is.
[23:19] <mcphail> popey: they certainly fail the click checklist
[23:19] <popey> Docviewer had to get special permission because it has read _and_ write permission
[23:19] <mcphail> Last time I checked it failed with _any_ apparmor relaxations
[23:20] <mcphail> I haven't tried uploading one to the store, though
[23:21] <mcphail> Seems unfair to ask a user to add 1.5GB of game assets to limited internal storage