[05:56] <didrocks> good morning!
[06:14] <pitti> Good morning
[06:37] <hikiko> good morning desktopers :D
[06:38] <didrocks> hey hikiko
[06:38] <hikiko> my isp just gave me 10GB mobile internet for free until they fix the problem so that I can use my mobile as a hotspot until they fix the issue :)
[06:38] <hikiko> \m/
[06:38] <hikiko> hi didrocks :)
[06:42] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:42] <seb128> hey hikiko, re didrocks
[06:43] <didrocks> re seb128
[06:45] <hikiko> hi seb128
[07:21] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[07:21]  * pitti -> appointment, bbl
[07:21] <seb128> pitti, salut pitti, ça va ?
[08:02] <larsu> good morning!
[08:03] <didrocks> hey larsu!
[08:05] <larsu> bonjour didrocks!
[08:14] <Trevinho> Buon giorno!
[08:16] <larsu> hey Trevinho
[08:16] <didrocks> morning Trevinho
[08:17] <seb128> hey larsu, wie gehts?
[08:17] <seb128> hey Trevinho
[08:17] <larsu> morning seb128! good thanks - and you?
[08:19] <Trevinho> Hi larsu, didrocks, seb128 ;-)
[08:27] <darkxst> hey all
[08:35] <seb128> hey darkxst
[08:40]  * Trevinho hates when can't connect to routers...
[08:53] <didrocks> interesting those frameworks which keeps changing their icon path :p
[08:54] <didrocks> (great that tests enable us to discover this)
[09:00] <willcooke> morning
[09:01] <larsu> willcooke: bonjour
[09:02] <didrocks> morning willcooke
[09:03] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney
[09:03] <Laney> hey ;-)
[09:03] <Laney> a pre hello hey from seb128!
[09:03] <seb128> :-)
[09:03] <Laney> i think you meant larsu
[09:04] <seb128> no, but it was within the minute you usually say hello
[09:04] <larsu> morning Laney :)
[09:04] <seb128> so I though it was good timing ;-)
[09:04] <larsu> seb128 is clever
[09:05] <Laney> a cunning young man
[09:05] <Laney> some would say too cunning
[09:05] <Laney> hi larsu!
[09:05] <seb128> haha
[09:05] <didrocks> morning Laney
[09:08] <seb128> what's going on with autopkgtests, why is there so much backlog?
[09:09] <Laney> hey didrocks
[09:09]  * seb128 looks at pitti
[09:10] <Laney> one of the cloud regions is broken
[09:10] <Laney> so there are 10 less workers than normal
[09:10] <seb128> I see
[09:11] <seb128> need to to feed more hamsters
[09:12] <Laney> still doesn't seem to have gotten to most of the gtk tests though
[09:12] <Laney> that's been like 1.5 days now
[09:13] <Laney> which is a bit suspicious
[09:13] <seb128> yeah, some are in progress for ages
[09:13] <Laney> and the queue only shrunk by like 60 overnight on xenial/amd64
[09:14] <Laney> I think one problem is that kde tests all do a rebuild from source
[09:14] <Laney> don't know if that explains all this
[09:14] <Laney> there were quite a lot on trusty too because of some kernel uploads
[09:14] <Laney> bleh
[09:15] <Laney> did you see my request yesterday for some promotions?
[09:15] <seb128> yeah, I was still around but not in full work mode
[09:15] <seb128> and I'm unsure I feel like promoting things without a MIR
[09:15] <seb128> is that "perl sources can be freely promoted" written somewhere?
[09:16] <seb128> it feels weird
[09:16] <seb128> like why do we need to bother for things like cmake rules or small python wrappers, but perl is ok?
[09:17] <Laney> ok, never mind, I'll ask someone else
[09:17] <Laney> thanks!
[09:17] <seb128> I'm tempted to just do it for the sake of avoiding work though :p
[09:17] <seb128> sorry, ping me again if you don't manage to get a reply for e.g infinity
[09:17] <seb128> I'm a bit reluctant but it's not going to take a lot to convince me ;-)
[09:17] <seb128> what is pulling those in now btw?
[09:17] <seb128> I missed the context
[09:18] <Laney> lintian
[09:19] <robert_ancell> Hi all
[09:19] <robert_ancell> Writing planning documents feels like going back 10 years in software development...
[09:20] <Laney> hey robert_ancell
[09:20] <seb128> hey robert_ancell!
[09:20] <Laney> what a nice surprise!
[09:20] <seb128> how are you? (out of the planning documents writting ;-)
[09:20] <didrocks> hey robert_ancell!
[09:21] <Laney> what's the planning document for?
[09:21] <robert_ancell> seb128, sore. I spent the evening putting up insulation in my house renovation. Wild times for me!
[09:21] <robert_ancell> Laney, GNOME Software
[09:22] <willcooke> ohai robert_ancell !
[09:22] <didrocks> seb128: +1 on being annoyed by those CI downtime without warnings (spent an hour this morning because all machines were on weird state)
[09:26]  * Laney tries didrocks appstream commit
[09:27] <didrocks> no fear! :-)
[09:28] <Laney> is using a virtualenv best practice?
[09:29] <didrocks> Laney: if you want to control exactly what deps are in, yeah
[09:29] <Laney> I got all the deps from the archive anyway
[09:29] <Laney> so it made me wonder a bit
[09:29] <didrocks> (and if you use --site-packages, it's just a portable way to have your binaries installed in a non root dir)
[09:29] <didrocks> so I would say it's still the best to do
[09:29] <Laney> because with setting PYTHONPATH it works directly from the checkout
[09:29] <didrocks> better than /usr/local/…
[09:29] <Laney> but it's not hard to install it
[09:29] <didrocks> yeah, I would still suggest to install it
[09:30] <didrocks> in this virtualenv
[09:30] <Laney> unless there is weird path stuff
[09:30] <didrocks> Laney: btw, I guess the service isn't scalable with just served by one server, isn't it?
[09:30] <didrocks> what's the plan for that, giving it charmed to IS?
[09:31] <didrocks> or handling it in canonistack for some amount of time
[09:31] <Laney> like this https://github.com/ximion/appstream-dep11/blob/master/dep11/generator.py#L386
[09:31] <didrocks> and handling replications and such
[09:31] <Laney> what do you mean?
[09:31] <Laney> launchpad will just pull the data into the archive
[09:31] <pitti> re
[09:31] <pitti> seb128: 'sup?
[09:31] <Laney> users don't hit it directly really
[09:31] <pitti> seb128: oh, the backlog -- well, look at excuses.html :/
[09:31] <seb128> pitti, yeah, that's what I'm looking at
[09:31] <didrocks> Laney: ah, so one consumer (being launchpad), but still, who will host it?
[09:32] <seb128> pitti, things seem to be on "in progress" for days
[09:32] <Laney> $cloud
[09:32] <didrocks> Laney: I have some suggestions if it's on canonistack to ensure it's always up :)
[09:32] <pitti> seb128: and bos01 died over night, so it didn't make as much progress as it could have
[09:32] <didrocks> (even one instance)
[09:32] <Laney> it'll be on prodstack or whatever I guess
[09:32] <didrocks> ok
[09:32] <didrocks> so not us
[09:32] <pitti> debci-xenial-amd64 472
[09:32] <Laney> canonistack is no good for a production service
[09:32] <pitti> debci-xenial-armhf 30
[09:32] <pitti> debci-xenial-i386 256
[09:32] <pitti> debci-xenial-ppc64el 8
[09:32] <Laney> it's been randomly shut down many times already
[09:32] <didrocks> Laney: the path stuff doesn't really shock me TBH
[09:32] <Laney> and only been up for like 1 week
[09:32] <didrocks> Laney: it's either using prod data or local checkout one, which is common
[09:32] <pitti> seb128: yeah, I know -- we are still heavily underpowered and Monday's KDE landing causes an awful backlog as the tests take very long
[09:33] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, that's why if you wanted to use something like kubernetes meanwhile…
[09:33] <didrocks> (providing one or multiple pods and keeping them up)
[09:33] <Laney> didrocks: this breaks if it's in the virtualenv though no?
[09:33] <Laney> because ".." won't be what it wants it to be
[09:34] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, wierd that it worked, though, right?
[09:34] <Laney> I don't know that it did
[09:34] <Laney> because of the bug you fixed it never ran
[09:34] <Laney> so would have found this later on
[09:34] <seb128> pitti, I see, would be nice to have some smart logic to not let big jobs DoS the infra and take all the builders, blocking the small/easy ones
[09:34] <seb128> oh well
[09:34] <seb128> no hurry, let's wait
[09:34] <didrocks> Laney: I told you I tried it in a virtualenv on the machine, no?
[09:34] <Laney> did you look at the output?
[09:35] <pitti> seb128: believe me, I'm harrassing IS regularly about getting moar powah :/ I know it sucks
[09:35] <didrocks> yep, it generated some new content, but I didn't look in detail (there was some warning, but similar to the one you had with your global run IIRC)
[09:35] <Laney> I guess the system fallback would have worked
[09:36]  * Laney removes the package ;-)
[09:36] <didrocks> yeah
[09:36] <didrocks> if you installed it :p
[09:36] <didrocks> the best practice is first to factorize that in a get_template_dir()
[09:36] <didrocks> and have the logic poking here
[09:36] <pitti> seb128: so KDE and lots of other xenial packages plus new kernels in all stables (which also trigger several hundred tests each), plus little capacity -> I don't think reordering gains us that much there
[09:36] <Laney> how do you get the root directory of the virtualenv?
[09:37] <pitti> seb128: is there a package that's particularly pressing? we can hint it
[09:37] <didrocks> Laney: $VIRTUAL_ENV
[09:38] <Laney> neat
[09:38] <didrocks> isn't it? :p
[09:38] <didrocks> Laney: want some help or you are handling the patch?
[09:39] <Laney> as you wish
[09:39] <seb128> pitti, no, it's ok, mostly mir and gtk+ but they are not that urgent
[09:39] <Laney> there are some other cases e.g. dep11-hints.yml
[09:40] <didrocks> Laney: can handle a small refactoring of this if you wish
[09:41] <seb128> pitti, btw, other topic ... could we have a cron job for xenial langpacks updates?
[09:41] <pitti> seb128: oh, do we have exports now? sure!
[09:41]  * seb128 wants his new gedit translated :p
[09:41] <pitti> (I need to build the first one by hand, but that's simple)
[09:41] <pitti> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+language-packs :(
[09:41] <seb128> pitti, unsure, but translations are open
[09:41] <pitti> -> #u-devel
[09:41] <seb128> k
[09:50] <willcooke> seb128, did you see that Yorba went under? :(
[09:51] <seb128> willcooke, no, I didn't see, but I assumed they did since none of the projects are active and we didn't get a reply for the shotwell key issue since june
[09:51] <seb128> where did you read that?
[09:51] <davmor2> willcooke: aren't they the guys that do shotwell
[09:51] <willcooke> seb128, G+
[09:51] <willcooke> davmor2, exactly
[09:52] <willcooke> so worth having a quick discussion about Shotwell?  I mean, nothing has changed for ages, so we could keep it and not expect any serious breakage.  But might be worth thinking about a change of app?
[09:52] <willcooke> popey, ^^
[09:52] <davmor2> time to re-evaluate gphoto maybe
[09:54] <larsu> sad for them
[09:54] <larsu> but yeah, kind of expected
[09:59] <seb128> davmor2, gnome-photos I guess you mean?
[09:59] <seb128> we could, but changing in a LTS cycle...
[09:59] <seb128> and it's new GNOME style which doesn't fit well with our desktop
[09:59] <seb128> where shotwell is  desktop style
[10:00] <davmor2> seb128: yeah thought it was gphoto but yes the gnome photos app
[10:00] <seb128> old school desktop*
[10:00] <willcooke> seb128, agreed.  Sounds like a job for LTS+1 (to consider the alternatives)
[10:00] <seb128> also gnome-photos might depends on tracker or things we are not currently using (though I didn't look at it at all)
[10:00] <Laney> last I heard gnome photos didn't do importing from digital cameras yet
[10:00] <seb128> willcooke, yeah, also let's see if somebody picks shotwell up
[10:00] <darkxst> seb128, yes, I suspect gnome-photos uses tracker
[10:00] <Laney> or any photo editing
[10:01] <davmor2> willcooke: well by then we'll be unity8 based and have gallery right ;)
[10:02] <willcooke> davmor2, it's a possibility
[10:05] <seb128> I doubt it
[10:05] <seb128> they were talking about deprecating gallery
[10:06] <seb128> the camera app is having most of the features
[10:09] <popey> Hah!
[10:09] <popey> Gallery - Written by Yorba
[10:09] <seb128> yes
[10:10] <Laney> didrocks: huh, I forgot to reply to you?
[10:10] <Laney> didrocks: feel free to handle it if you are willing :)
[10:12] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, I was waiting for you to be back on that :)
[10:12] <didrocks> Laney: ok, will do that this afternoon
[10:12] <seb128> willcooke, do you have an url to that g+ post?
[10:12] <didrocks> seems ptyprocess needs a MIR
[10:13] <seb128> just curious, I'm probably not subscribed to the same people you are
[10:13] <Laney> didrocks: I at least typed something, must have deleted it :P
[10:13] <Laney> what is pytprocess?
[10:13] <willcooke> seb128, sure, one sec....
[10:13] <didrocks> ptyprocess*
[10:13] <didrocks> Laney: something used by pexpect to handle virtual shells
[10:14] <willcooke> https://goo.gl/SsAhv
[10:15] <seb128> thanks
[10:15] <seb128> lol
[10:15] <willcooke> https://plus.google.com/+NathanDyerdotMe/posts/67ts6ALTmTx
[10:15] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[10:15] <Laney> "AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
[10:16]  * Laney closes that tab forever
[10:34]  * robert_ancell -> sleep
[10:34] <willcooke> see you robert_ancell
[10:34] <robert_ancell> bye all
[10:56] <pitti> seb128, Laney: ok, 45 mins with IS later I now have lcy01 and 8 extra workers back; let's see how long they'll hold :)
[11:01] <Laney> pitti: good luck
[11:01] <Laney> I noticed they re-enabled some builders there which all died again
[11:01] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/builders <- lcy01-* Cleaning
[11:03] <pitti> Laney: yes, axino said he'd try to restart those and monitor
[11:04] <Laney> pitti: I mean that as a sign that it still wasn't stable at least earlier this morning
[11:04] <pitti> 11:54:58 axino | pitti: when they're all disabled, lcy01 tends to be stable
[11:04] <Laney> although maybe it is those that bring down the cloud and not the cloud itself being bad
[11:04] <pitti> "they" -> lcy01 buildds
[11:05] <Laney> what's the interesting difference between this and lgw01 that makes lgw01 reliable?
[11:11] <pitti> Laney: I have no idea
[11:12] <Laney> sort of rhetorical :)
[11:13]  * Laney is tail -f log/lcy*.log
[11:13] <pitti> Laney: as long as you don't see "ERROR"s in nova list, things should be okay
[11:14] <Laney> nod
[11:14] <pitti> man, one of these days I need to figure out why some tests use the ugly instance names
[11:14] <pitti> seems the --name option doesn't get passed along properly in one case
[11:17] <darkxst> Laney, can you add gnome-builder to desktop-extra?
[11:18] <Laney> darkxst: if you mail devel-permissions
[11:19] <darkxst> Laney, kk
[11:19] <Laney> but aren't you getting that fixed in debian?
[11:19] <Laney> i.e. autosync
[11:22] <darkxst> Laney, yes, I am pushing the fixes through debian
[11:23] <darkxst> but its kinda crap when I have to wait on debian to fix FTBS etc
[11:24] <darkxst> (ones that only affect us)
[11:24] <Laney> get some sponsored uploads
[11:24] <Laney> then you can become DM
[11:25] <darkxst> Laney, who is going to sign my key?
[11:27] <Laney> one of these kind people https://wiki.debian.org/Keysigning/Offers#AU
[11:29] <darkxst> Laney, or I just come to the debian hackfest, if CC will sponsor it ;)
[11:30] <darkxst> ^ insert pkg-gnome
[11:31] <Laney> heh
[11:31] <Laney> when is that?
[11:32] <darkxst> no date set yet
[11:34] <Laney> which mailing list?
[11:34] <Laney> don't see one
[11:34] <Laney> just some irc the other day
[11:35] <darkxst> Laney, only irc, but it will happen sooner or later
[11:36] <darkxst> unless its like the git migration, that doesnt want to happen
[11:37] <Laney> that's one reason to have a sprint
[11:38] <darkxst> yep
[11:39] <darkxst> but then also must be a reason we don't have branches on alioth either ;)
[11:41] <Laney> the script is the hard part
[11:41] <Laney> ask tumbleweed
[11:48] <darkxst> Laney, I was alluding to the point that it should in theory be really simple to create packaging branches for ubuntu GNOME/gnome3 ppa's, but it still hasnt happened
[11:48] <Laney> oh right
[11:49] <Laney> it's going to be cool to be able to git merge
[11:49]  * Laney does this for gstreamer already and it is g-r-e-a-t
[11:49] <darkxst> I already git merge everything, but major hacky, since not merging real commits
[11:50] <Laney> mmm
[11:53] <darkxst> works pretty well though, apart from the fact you have to resolve all conflicts before commiting
[11:55] <Laney> are you using rerere?
[11:55] <darkxst> gbp and a custom script that pulls in bzr packaging branches if available
[11:59]  * darkxst really should sleep now, I meant to do that an hour ago
[11:59] <Laney> lxc -> xenial
[11:59]  * Laney looks at dbus merge now
[12:23]  * Laney loses utf8 sbuild on desktop too now :(
[12:38] <seb128> Laney, utf8 sbuild?
[12:39] <Laney> yeah it had nice output
[12:39] <Laney> now it's all ascii
[12:40] <seb128> :-(
[12:42] <Laney> hardly a big deal :P
[12:42] <seb128> yeah
[12:43] <seb128> oh, nice, gnome-desktop3 migrated, seems like autopkgtest backlog is getting smaller ;-)
[12:43] <Laney> gtk got some green too
[12:46] <seb128> nice
[12:47] <seb128> larsu, are you looking at the nautilus menubar thing or not yet? I'm trying to decide what I should do with the nautilus update, wait a bit/upload without menubar to start/...
[12:52] <didrocks> so, they cancel the light festival in Lyon…
[12:53] <seb128> they do?!
[12:53] <seb128> it's well in advance
[12:53] <didrocks> well, it's in less than a month
[12:54] <didrocks> like 2 weeks and a day
[12:54] <didrocks> so not that much in advance
[12:54] <didrocks> (on the contrary even, hotels are booked in general 6 months in advance)
[12:54] <larsu> seb128: does tomorrow work for you?
[12:55] <seb128> larsu, next week work as well, I just want an estimate if it's worth waiting or better to go without and do that later
[12:55] <larsu> seb128: ok. I'll do it tomorrow :)
[12:56] <seb128> larsu, danke
[12:56] <seb128> didrocks, right, I guess my comment was rather "it's probably not reacting to a particular plot they found but just being cautious/not wanting to risk it because it's difficult to secure a such event"
[12:57] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, basically they fear that some noise of explosion due to anything create panicks
[12:57] <seb128> pitti is going to need to come to your place again next year then!
[12:57] <pitti> en effect !
[12:57] <Laney> but the stollen!
[12:58] <seb128> double stollen!
[12:58] <seb128> one this year, one next :p
[12:58] <pitti> non, je vais toujour venir !
[12:58] <seb128> tu as raison
[13:01] <didrocks> ;)
[13:01]  * didrocks hugs pitti
[13:14] <ricotz> attente, hi, is thr
[13:14] <ricotz> oop
[13:15] <ricotz> attente, hi, is there a current patch-set of mir for gtk+ git master?
[13:17] <attente> ricotz: for the ubuntu package? because it should be up-to-date as it hasn't had any activity in a while
[13:17] <ricotz> attente, I mean gtk+ git master doesnt compile against mir in xenial
[13:18] <attente> ricotz: i'll take a look
[13:19] <ricotz> ./gdk/mir/gdkmir-debug.c:106:36: warning: implicit declaration of function 'mir_touch_event_get_cookie' [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
[13:21] <attente> ricotz: you'll probably have to build against mir trunk because that's new api
[13:22] <seb128> Laney, pitti, can you help me to understand http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#ldb ? why aren't armhf/ppc64el trying for the current version?
[13:22] <ricotz> attente, hmm, I see
[13:22] <pitti> Laney, seb128: bug 1512779 -- ATM these need to be retried manually, sorry
[13:22] <desrt> good morning, fellow desktoply -inclined people
[13:23] <seb128> hey desrt!
[13:23] <Laney> urgh, look at the wrapping in that bug
[13:23] <pitti> seb128: let me retry all armhf/ppc64 failures wholesale, the qeueus are emtpy
[13:23] <seb128> pitti, danke
[13:23] <attente> ricotz: you can also just delete the line since it's just there for debugging purposes
[13:23] <pitti> well, not "empty", but "short"
[13:23] <Laney> note to self: never hard wrap when writing launchpad comments in the web UI
[13:24] <attente> ricotz: but afaik, it won't behave any differently than what's in the archive for xenial
[13:24] <seb128> Laney, nag the launchpad team to have them to display a wrapping line in the ui so if you want to do it manually you know where ;-)
[13:25] <Laney> I probably used vimperator and vipgq it
[13:25] <ricotz> attente, alright, will do that
[13:25]  * Laney does some rebuilds for liburcu
[13:26] <Laney> it'll be annoying if things get blocked on this transition after the tests run :P
[13:27] <Laney> pitti: "OSError: [Errno 12] Cannot allocate memory" - erm?
[13:28] <pitti> wut?
[13:28] <Laney> failure just now
[13:28] <pitti> oh, bos01-ppc64el-9
[13:28] <pitti> Mem:       2050048    1912936     137112       1280     328800     624912
[13:28] <pitti> doesn't seem terrible
[13:29] <pitti> erk, wrong machine
[13:29] <pitti> Mem:       2050048    1975464      74584       1228       7524      84096
[13:29] <Laney> isn't that from the cloud worker?
[13:29] <pitti> still
[13:29] <pitti> Laney: yes, it is
[13:30]  * pitti shrugs, let's see if it happens on more workers
[13:30] <pitti> lcy01 is still up -- scary!
[13:30] <pitti> it really seems it's the buildds OR autopkgtest, there's no AND there
[13:31]  * Laney restarted it
[13:32] <Laney> cosmic rays
[13:49] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, we still get error reports for the unity-webapps-* migration scripts, didn't you put a landing up to drop those previous cycle?
[13:50] <kenvandine> seb128, i did, not sure if they landed
[13:50]  * kenvandine checks
[13:52] <kenvandine> seb128, yes, silo 38
[13:52] <kenvandine> the branches are still awaiting review
[13:52] <seb128> kenvandine, can you nag someone?
[13:52] <seb128> dbarth?
[14:01] <Laney> seb128: can you look at NEW for ltt-control please?
[14:01] <Laney> I fake synced it from git, will block liburcu, mir, etc
[14:01] <seb128> Laney, ok
[14:01] <Laney> thanks
[14:01] <seb128> yw
[14:03]  * Laney lunch
[14:03] <seb128> Laney, done
[14:03] <seb128> Laney, enjoy!
[14:22] <desrt> google impresses me
[14:22] <desrt> they actually managed to make google+ _more_ difficult to use
[14:23] <larsu> oh true this looks different
[14:23] <larsu> morning desrt
[14:23] <desrt> g' morning
[14:25] <seb128> less easy to read :-/
[14:25] <desrt> also less easy to do anything at all
[14:25] <desrt> ...and it was pretty bad to begin with
[14:25] <seb128> I'm not doing much with it out of browser through posts and reading sometimes comments
[14:25] <larsu> don't use it?
[14:25] <mdeslaur> I gather their goal is to make everyone leave before they shut it down
[14:26] <desrt> that's sort of the impression i got
[14:26] <desrt> people will be less upset that way
[14:27] <desrt> unfortunately, google+/hangouts use is more or less mandatory for ingress operations :(
[14:28] <larsu> "unfortunately" :P
[14:28] <willcooke> :D
[14:28] <desrt> i totally geeked out on the social aspects of this game
[14:29] <desrt> which unfortunately has dragged me into a world of G+ pain
[14:29] <larsu> isn't it just the account you need?
[14:31] <desrt> technically you don't need a G+ account at all -- just google login
[14:31] <desrt> but again, all the social aspects...
[14:31] <desrt> any kind of non-boring high-level play involves a fairly large amount of groupwork
[14:33] <desrt> a bit of it is kinda implicit "i see my team happens to be holding this territory, i'll help out" type stuff... but anything beyond that requires coordination
[14:33] <desrt> and since it's all hooked into the "G" ecosystem, this is the platform of choice for everything... G+ and hangouts
[14:34] <larsu> makes sense
[14:34] <larsu> everyone has a google account by definition
[14:34] <larsu> doesn't make sense to have another one
[14:35] <desrt> and it's just one simple click to "upgrade" to G+!
[14:47]  * Sweet5hark is back from berlin.
[14:47] <Sweet5hark> Twas awesome.
[14:52] <qengho> Sweet5hark: what was in Berlin?
[14:54] <Sweet5hark> qengho: 2. open it summit by the greens and OSBA. lots of members of parliament asking how they can help open source/open data/etc.
[14:54] <qengho> Nice.
[14:59] <pitti> Laney: lgw workers dying> looks like orphaned instances, I'm cleaning up and restart
[15:35] <willcooke> didrocks, http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/11/ubuntu-15-10-review-wily-werewolf-leaves-scary-experimentation-for-next-year/
[15:36] <willcooke> didrocks, "If you're looking for a quick way to get, for example, a basic Android development environment setup, you'd be hard pressed to beat Ubuntu Make's simple umake android command."
[15:37] <didrocks> \o/
[15:39] <seb128> didrocks, well done!
[15:41] <didrocks> thx ;)
[15:41] <didrocks> happy that it's started to get noticed by the press
[15:41] <didrocks> (while I'm fighting pokfdpokfspodkfpods proxy on jenkins… not allowing me to access to localhost)
[16:00] <willcooke> erm, maybe larsu or seb128 - will we get the Google Drive integration from GNOME apps in 16.04?
[16:01] <seb128> willcooke, yes, the current gvfs has a backend for it
[16:02] <seb128> though unsure if that needs online account integration/is going to work with uoa
[16:02] <seb128> also somebody needs to merge gvfs with Debian
[16:02] <larsu> I think it does
[16:02] <seb128> but xnox just put his name on that by doing a rebuild ;-)
[16:02] <willcooke> lulz
[16:03] <larsu> haha
[16:03] <xnox> NOOOOOOO
[16:03] <larsu> welcome back xnox
[16:03] <Laney> swap with me for mdadm
[16:03]  * Laney doesn't mind doing gvfs
[16:03] <Laney> but I definitely do mind merging mdadm
[16:03] <xnox> Laney, deal
[16:03] <Laney> thanks
[16:08] <seb128> Laney, xnox, thanks
[16:13] <willcooke> desktoppers:  I'm going to swap some hours tomorrow morning.  I'll be back around lunchtime.  Telegram if you need anything
[16:13] <Laney> *anything*?
[16:13] <Laney> sudo make me a sandwich
[16:16] <willcooke> I'll go to subway, buy you a sandwich and put it in the pist
[16:16] <willcooke> *post
[16:16] <willcooke> no, wait, better idea
[16:17] <willcooke> muhaha
[16:19] <xnox> willcooke, justeat.co.uk do delivery might be easier to order it like that.
[16:20] <Laney> I'm off tomorrow, so I could be anywhere
[16:20] <Laney> drone delivery ought to be fine
[16:20] <Laney> as long as it's not delivering a hellfire missile
[16:22] <seb128> Laney, oh, enjoy the long w.e!
[16:22] <Laney> thanks!
[16:22] <Laney> this is one of the three days I had to use up :P
[16:23]  * seb128 should look at the team calendar once a week
[16:23] <seb128> willcooke missed that one on the monday summary ;-)
[16:23] <Laney> nah, I booked it on monday
[16:23] <seb128> ah, ok
[16:23] <seb128> any plan for the day?
[16:23] <seb128> climbing?
[16:23] <Laney> bake a cake for rosie's birthday
[16:23] <seb128> day/w.e
[16:23] <seb128> ah, nice
[16:23] <Laney> I want to make one of those rainbow cakes
[16:23] <willcooke> yeah, I was thinking about that,  perhaps move the email later in the day, or even to Tuesday
[16:23] <Laney> they are cool
[16:23] <seb128> take a picture for us :-)
[16:23] <Laney> and then climbing
[16:24] <willcooke> cake!
[16:24] <Laney> last time I made a cake it was a carrot cake
[16:24] <Laney> and was possibly the most disgusting thing I have ever created
[16:24] <Laney> I must have misread the scale on the measuring jug or something
[16:24] <Laney> *way* too much oil in it
[16:24] <willcooke> oh wait a moment
[16:24] <willcooke> xnox,
[16:24] <Laney> we ended up frying them
[16:24] <seb128> lol
[16:25] <willcooke> \o/
[16:25] <willcooke> wb xnox
[16:26] <xnox> tah
[16:26] <didrocks> climbing on the cake?
[16:26]  * didrocks is confused :)
[16:26] <didrocks> terribly confused even
[16:26] <willcooke> Laney, fried cake... sounds ok.  I could probably eat a fried cake
[16:26] <willcooke> thats pretty much a donut
[16:26] <didrocks> hum… donut
[16:29] <Laney> it wasn't so bad in that form
[16:30] <Laney> when it took about 4 hours to bake enough to fry...
[16:39] <qengho> Laney: carrot cake needs none of your help to be disgusting.
[16:39] <Laney> YOU TAKE THAT BACK
[16:39] <qengho> Carrot and coconut and raisins. All ways to ruin perfectly good baked goods.
[16:51] <desrt> qengho: +1 on the carrot, but you lost me after that
[16:52] <didrocks> willcooke: you got me interested in searching a little bit more recent articles, I see some like http://tuxdiary.com/2015/10/30/ubuntu-make/
[16:54]  * willcooke reads
[16:54] <willcooke> nice!
[16:55] <didrocks> there are even some youtube videos on how to install <…> with Ubuntu Make
[16:55] <didrocks> funny :)
[16:55] <willcooke> awesome!
[17:24] <qengho> didrocks: But, how do we install Ubuntu Make?!?
[17:25] <didrocks> qengho: all is written on its wiki page :)
[17:26] <qengho> I have not installed a web browser yet.
[17:26] <didrocks> qengho: you never installed chrome? :p
[17:26] <didrocks> that explains! ;)
[17:26] <didrocks> (j/k)
[17:53]  * qengho brblunch
[17:59]  * didrocks waves good evening and good night
[17:59] <Laney> night didrocks
[17:59] <Laney> see you monday!
[18:00] <didrocks> Laney: enjoy your long week-end :)
[18:00] <Laney> thanks
[18:02]  * Laney is off too, going to donate blood
[18:02] <Laney> laters!
[18:03] <seb128> Laney, good luck for that and for the baking, have a good w.e!
[20:41] <willcooke> g'night all - gonna be late tomorrow, prolly lunchtimeish