[01:36] hello could ubuntu touch work on a samsung galaxy s6 edge plus === curtness is now known as strahtw [02:24] Anyone got OTA8 yet? [03:23] RMJ: OTA-8 will start phasing in tomorrow. [03:24] ok thx, I'll stop trying on my Nexus 4 till then! [03:25] RMJ: a sound policy to retain sanity. :) [07:36] good morning [07:49] Hi. I have a problem with the browser app. It doesn't start. Can someone help me to solve this? === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [08:30] good morning, my phone (Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition) can't find OTA-8 [08:37] zzarr, :'( [08:39] I hope it's released to day, I know that a batch of phones are selected for update at random ever so often (meaning I don't know the interval) [08:40] morning, is OTA-8 live? I dont see an announcement on the mailing list. [08:41] Hi! I have a problem with the browser app for ubuntu Touch. My problem is similar to this "http://askubuntu.com/questions/692369/reinstall-browser" [08:43] can someone help me? === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === pete-woods1 is now known as pete-woods [09:03] Hi! I have a problem with the browser app for ubuntu Touch. My problem is similar to this "http://askubuntu.com/questions/692369/reinstall-browser" [09:03] Can anyone help me? [09:05] garro factory reset maybe? I hope one of the developers can help you more [09:06] it's a bit annoying... If there were someway to reinstall only the browser app I would prefere [09:08] garro cant help you with that unfortunately, developers should know more, since the browser is part of system image reinstalling it would probably require making the image rw but I am just speculating. [09:11] I frequently use the mount command with the remount rw option to get the image temporarly rw, so I think this is not a problem... [09:12] anyway [09:12] thank you Edward [09:13] garro you are welcome, I hope your question will get answered by someone here that is more knowledgeable === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [09:13] having a glitch now with the updates, says connect to the Internet even though I am connected and browser opens websites normally. [09:16] mardy, would you mind proposing: https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/location-service/last-known-position-15.04 [09:17] tvoss: sure [09:18] mardy, great, thx [09:21] tvoss: https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/location-service/last-known-position-15.04/+merge/277960 [09:22] mardy, ack and thx [09:27] jgdx: what do you mean? [09:33] mardy, three minor niggles that occured to me only now :) [09:35] any info on any delay of OTA-8? [09:36] zzarr: not available yet on my bq 4.5 here [09:36] still waiting [09:37] lotuspsychje waiting as well [09:38] tvoss: about the s/reference/last_known/ change, I'll apply that to velocity and heading too, right? [09:38] mardy, yup [09:41] lotuspsychje, in that case I'll have to wait more I guess [09:42] how do I enable developer mode from the terminal? I cannot do it from the UI on devel-proposed [09:42] I tried android-gadget-service enable adb but it doesn't seem to be it [09:43] tvoss: should I change it everywhere? even on the provider interface (on_reference_location_updated() and similars)? [09:43] I guess that would require rebuilding the espoo provider [09:51] https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg16829.html [09:51] It seems the OTA-8 date will be moved one day later as mentioned in my [09:51] previous e-mails. The main reason is a translation regression that [09:51] happened with us noticing too late, reverting some strings in the unity8 [09:51] translations [1]. We had to upload new langpacks to the snapshot and [09:51] re-create an image, without pulling in any of the recent archive [09:51] changes. Expect the update released tomorrow. [09:51] oh s## [09:52] pandatrone: better this than some private e-mail :-) [09:53] yeah :D [10:02] mardy, let's confine the change to the engine for now. I think we should do a coordinated landing of breaking changes beginning of next week [10:04] tvoss: OK. I'm rebuilding the project, will push soon [10:14] Good morning all; happy Thursday, and happy Use Less Stuff Day! 😃 [10:19] tvoss: MP updated [10:20] tvoss: so, what do you think about having a provider querying the google-location-service API, which could be configured to work with either google or mozilla (the API is essentially the same)? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|test === alan_g|test is now known as alan_g === greyback__ is now known as greyback [10:44] mardy: sorry I've noticed you've been very busy with various landings lately, but just a reminder that there's also the ticket https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/649 if you have to time to test + mark it for ready for publishing. no hurry though, there's a long time until OTA-9 and I don't have other qtdeclarative landings right at the moment. [10:46] Mirv: I tested it several days ago; if you haven't changed anything since then, then I'll mark it as ready [10:46] Mirv: "mark it ready" = "set status to QA granted"? [10:47] mardy: ah! "Ready for QA" [10:47] mardy: QA != you, QA == QA team :) so they'll check it next. [10:47] mardy: and yes the status options are confusing, there's a bug about it [10:47] mardy: then QA will change to to Granted if they agree [10:49] Mirv: ok, I'll set it as ready for qa then :-) [10:50] mardy: thanks! :) [10:50] now it's on their radar [10:55] putin has great radars === mzanetti_ is now known as mzanetti === _salem is now known as salem_ [11:43] faenil, I forgot… [11:45] jgdx: :D === Foxmaster is now known as zz_Foxmaster === zz_Foxmaster is now known as Foxmaster === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcalle === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [13:52] alex-abreu, the migration script removal from all the webapps, those branches are still waiting review [13:52] alex-abreu, silo 38 [13:52] seb128, ^^ [13:52] kenvandine, are they ? ... ok I'll have a look at them today [13:52] kenvandine, thanks [13:52] seb128, i'm nagging alex-abreu :) [13:53] ;-) [13:53] alex-abreu, thanks [13:53] alex-abreu, those scripts are generating error reports [13:53] should be an easy landing... just a ton of branches to approve :) [13:53] ack [13:54] alex-abreu, ugh... the silo needs to be reconfigured for xenial though [13:54] i'll do that and rebuilt [13:54] s/rebuilt/rebuild === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:59] Hi everybody :) [13:59] !isitoutyet [13:59] It's out! Party in #ubuntu-release-party - download at http://ubuntu.com/download/ === Tom_ is now known as Guest37433 [14:00] hi ? [14:04] hi ? [14:05] is there any owncloud client for the ubuntu phone? [14:08] not yet === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [14:10] Please, when i add music on my phone (E5), why it doesn't appear in music app ? [14:14] Guest37433, where do you add it? I think there's a set of search paths defined. [14:14] I add from my desktop computer [14:14] by USB [14:15] Guest37433, to what folder on your phone [14:15] ( sorry for my english, i'm french :p ) [14:15] in /home/phablet/Music [14:16] but my file manager doesn't see files few since day [14:17] so, in terminal, i see with a 'ls' cmd, my music is on my phone [14:17] but my music app doesn't read my new files. :/ [14:18] maybe it's an unrecognized file format? In any case, check the log /home/phablet/.cache/upstart/mediascanner-2.0.log [14:19] same format, there is many files [14:20] i don't know if the permissions of files can create problems with the music app ? [14:20] maybe another app changed my permissions files ? [14:22] what the log can learn to me ? [14:22] ( noob in the place... :) ) [14:23] mh, there is something strange in log file [14:24] like 'runtime_error' about the Mediiascanner service [14:27] terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::runtime_error' [14:29] terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::runtime_error' what(): UNIQUE constraint failed: media_attic.id === danilos` is now known as danilos [14:31] Guest37433: try that [14:31] stop mediascanner-2.0 [14:32] rm ~/.cache/mediascanner-2.0/mediastore.db [14:32] start mediascanner-2.0 [14:32] then wait till the scanning process is finished [14:32] (for example you can tail the log) [14:35] thanks very much :) [14:35] maybe you can explain why the bug appears , [14:35] ?* [14:35] i do not know [14:35] had the same problem [14:36] mh... [14:36] i looks like the database is corrupt [14:37] i was thinking my file manager will detect new files but not [14:37] i need to do the same thing for the log of the terminal ? [14:38] mardy, around? === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === sil2100 changed the topic of #ubuntu-touch to: Home: http://bit.ly/YEqEfo | Install: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install | Porting (advanced) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting | Bug filing: http://bit.ly/1aV9AJG | Dashboard: http://bit.ly/12AQV53 | Changelog: http://bit.ly/1ljube1 | http://www.bq.com/gb/ubuntu.html | http://www.meizu.com/products/ubuntu.html | OTA-8 phased update in progress, finished in ~24h === kaie_ is now known as kaie [14:49] Hello. vegetahd (BQ E5) with rc-proposed/bq-aquaris channel. How can I enable "adb"? I found howtos to flash to a different channel, but I don't understand how I can enable adb, without going to a devel channel. [14:49] (I tried to flash the devel channel, but with that, my device was stuck at the white BQ screen forever. I flashed back to rc-proposed) [14:57] kaie, you can enable adb from system-settings / about this phone / developer mode and switch on developer mode === dpm is now known as dpm-afk [15:29] jibel, thanks, but I had tried that and failed. I have dev mode enabled, I have an udev rule, but adb devices still doesn't list anything. [15:30] SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ACTION=="add", SYSFS{idVendor}=="2a47", MODE="0666", SYSFS{idProduct}=="*" [15:32] 14.04 LTS system [15:37] ok sorry. it works now. I have no idea why it didn't work yesterday. === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === zenvoid_ is now known as zenvoid === BOHverkill_ is now known as BOHverkill [16:22] kenvandine, I acked the webapps branches in silo 38 [16:23] alex-abreu, thx === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [16:49] mpt, did you ever see my email about my latest flash animation work? I wanted feedback on the timing costs for the progress bar [17:08] I guess I asked this earlier too, but how to update apps through the adb? I can't access internet properly since it doesn't work well with proxies. I was able to update to OTA-8, but apps remain the same. [17:32] nice job on OTA8 devs!!! [17:32] my scope freeze issue dissapread on it bq 4.5 [17:34] you guys are rocknroll === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [17:55] Hello, can anyone help me? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [18:06] @sil2100 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes "OTA-8" link pointing to OTA-7 changelog [18:07] hi [18:07] * bogdantoday slaps sil2100 around a bit with a large fishbot [18:08] i was reading about ota-8, sip is still not supported? [18:08] correct studio_ [18:08] why? [18:09] ! [18:09] bogdantoday, fixed, thanks [18:09] bogdantoday: thanks! [18:09] sil2100, fixed [18:09] :) [18:09] Evil copy-typo [18:09] popey: thanks :) [18:09] studio_, because nobody has developed a sip client [18:09] no prob) [18:09] studio_, feel free to develop one. [18:09] what about external m3u, are thy now supported? === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [18:10] updated playlist support isn't in OTA-6, that's coming later I believe. [18:11] popey, sorry, i am just a user, how can i enable sip-support in ubuntu-touch? [18:11] studio_, pay someone else to develop the app? [18:11] who? [18:11] a developer :) [18:12] popey, hoe much do you need? ;) === LjL^ is now known as LjL [18:12] I'm not a developer :) [18:12] ok :) [18:13] http://sipcmd.sourceforge.net/ [18:13] port that :) [18:14] what about the accu, are the "drivers" depending on the os (kernel)?, because the new 5.0 from bq can handle it more fine that the old lollipop ... [18:15] accu? [18:15] accumulator, wrong englich word? [18:16] accelerometer ? [18:17] alan@deep-thought:~$ ssh phablet@192.168.1.124 uname -a [18:17] Linux ubuntu-phablet 3.4.67 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Oct 28 09:14:30 UTC 2015 869191d armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux [18:17] alan@deep-thought:~$ ssh phablet@192.168.1.123 uname -a [18:17] Linux ubuntu-phablet 3.4.67 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Aug 21 10:53:55 UTC 2015 736d127 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux [18:17] looks like OTA-7 and OTA-8 have the same kernel on our side [18:17] maybe a patch here or there, but most of the work happens in userspace. [18:18] But no, probably not worth you switching back from Android studio_, as I doubt we have met your requirements. [18:19] will ota-9 be worth? [18:21] Dunno, not sure exactly what's in OTA-9 yet. [18:22] http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-ota-9-already-got-a-new-web-browser-app-thai-font-support-496254.shtml [18:22] popey, was reading ota-9 will be out in 2016. Is that correct? [18:22] first week, yeah [18:22] well, first few weeks [18:24] popey, sorry, why the ubuntu-touch device can't handle the same as an RPI2 with Ubuntu-Mate? [18:24] It probably could if someone made an image for it. [18:24] The Ubuntu MATE RPI2 image is a community port. [18:25] who do you mean with "someone"? [18:26] someone = anyone [18:26] is "anyone" sitting on the sources? [18:27] I don't know, you'd need to ask everyone. [18:27] I'm just saying, nobody has done it, someone could, if they had the time or inclination. [18:27] i asked at mtk, but never got an answer ... [18:28] mtk? for rpi? [18:28] pi is broadcom, not mtk [18:28] bcm is "more" open source [18:31] i do not understand, that mtk is not publishing new blobs for a newer kernel, as i understood, we are on 4.2.x ... === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [18:34] our device isn't on 4.2 [18:34] it's on 3.4.67 [18:35] popey, 3.4.67 is from 2013, right? [18:36] I don't have an encyclopaedic knowledge of kernel versions and their dates, but yes, that seems about right [18:36] kernel.org [18:36] Indeed [18:36] I hear some people still run 2.6! O_O [18:36] so? [18:37] is that "Ubuntu"? [18:37] Are we going to have this conversation _again_? [18:37] studio_: try ##kernel [18:38] did we ever had an "conversation" about kernel updates? [18:39] i mean on "Ubuntu-Touch"? [18:39] studio_: what are you trying to achieve here? [18:39] Yeah, more than once. Never mind. [18:40] You know we're locked into the kernels we run due to the Android drivers for things like gps, radios etc. [18:40] You know that. [18:40] studio_: you cant compare PC kernel updates with other architectures kernel updates due to the drivers issues. [18:40] popey, try "find" ... [18:40] studio_, it would be interesting to see Ubuntu with Mir / Unity8 on the RPI2 [18:41] But I fear we may have issues with the GPU drivers for Mir, I don't know, not tried. [18:41] Could be a fun project for someone. [18:41] k1l_, what ever you say ... [18:42] k1l_, do you now own an ubuntu-touch device, if yes, what device? === zz_Foxmaster is now known as Foxmaster [18:44] studio_: i did not buy a ubuntu-touch pre installed device. but i own a nexus4 [18:45] is it in "production"? if yes, how? [18:49] studio_: it was some time. [18:50] it was some time? [18:50] what does that mean? [18:51] he bought it a while ago [18:51] "some time ago" [18:51] *lol* [18:51] studio_: it was broken at some point and i needed a new one. now i own a nexus 6 which is not capable of running ubuntu-touch [18:52] so he never "used" ubuntu-touch? [18:52] i repaired the n4 and have again flashed ubuntu-touch on it, but its not my daily phone. [18:52] studio_: sure i did [18:52] k1l_, in what? [18:55] k1l_, in what did you used ubuntu-touch in a productive system? [18:55] he said, a nexus 4 [18:56] no, he said he used an nexux 4, but for what? [18:56] to phone? [18:56] *lol* [18:56] studio_: i dont get what you are after now. [18:59] k1l_, simple question, how did you used your nexus 4 for a productive environment? [19:00] i used my nexus 4 flashed with ubuntu-touch for my daily usage of a smartphone once. [19:00] sms, make phonecalls, browse the internet, play some silly games, use social networks,.. things people do on a smartphone. [19:00] so you never used a "productive environment"? [19:01] only real bugger is that there is still no whatsapp, since i still got a lot of people around me using it. but after i did not answer they did send me emails or used telegram or sms. [19:02] studio_: define "productive enviroment" [19:02] k1l_: telegram got a nice update recently [19:03] k1l_: http://news.softpedia.com/news/major-telegram-update-arrives-for-ubuntu-phones-496347.shtml [19:03] yeah, saw that. [19:03] k1l_, for what are you using your PC/notebobook, for "productive environment"? if you understand that, you'll understand "productive environment" [19:04] i just saw jolla got serious financial issues, sad to see its that hard to compete in the phone business against the big 2 and a half. [19:04] studio_: how about you explain what you wanna start doing with an ubuntu-touch device specificly [19:04] studio_: so you mean the convergance as productive enviroment? [19:05] studio_: i dont see anyone having guaranteed you that when you bought your android phone. [19:05] lotus|xenial, i was not the guy who was crying ubuntu-touch is ubintu ... [19:05] ? [19:05] lotus|xenial, i was not the guy who was crying ubuntu-touch is ubuntu ... [19:05] nobody cryed here [19:06] studio_: what are you talking about? [19:06] lotus|xenial, so who told ubuntu-touch is ubuntu? [19:06] studio_: you tell us.. [19:07] not us, check the logs [19:07] oh ffs [19:07] not this again [19:07] studio_: stop [19:07] haha :) [19:07] dobey: ban yourself it will be easier [19:08] studio_: so i played this game now long enough. do you have anything constructive to contribute? [19:09] k1l_: i think the answer to that is rather obvious :-/ [19:09] dobey: well, hope dies last [19:09] k1l_, i asked you, and i am still missing your answer ... [19:10] studio_: and k1l_ answered you, he use his smartphone as a smartphone because it is a smartphone [19:10] lol [19:10] k1l_: sometimes one must just put it out of its misery === salem_ is now known as _salem [19:11] studio_: the productive usage of a smartphone is pretty clear. and i do that. [19:11] you can play doom on an ubuntu phone [19:12] obviously there is nothing more that one would need [19:12] studio_: there is a convergance phone to come next year. what about you buy that and help the development on that instead of buying android phones and blackmailing the ubuntu developers all the time? [19:12] dobey: apparently not well if you are trying to video it with the other hand hey popey ;) [19:12] davmor2, for what did k1l_ used his phone? i asked for "productive environment " [19:13] this is like a labyrinth [19:13] lotus|xenial: nah, even labyrinths have an exit [19:13] :p [19:13] studio_: define productive environment [19:13] studio_: i listed already what i do with my phone. [19:14] my phone makes toast [19:14] and mine plays gitarre [19:14] "productive environment " for exp. "instabus" [19:15] is that the man on the Clapham omnibus? [19:16] "productive environment " for exp. "exchange-server" [19:16] lol [19:16] you've obviously never used exchange [19:16] "productive environment " for exp. sync your pc with your phone [19:17] studio == @1990slinuxguy [19:17] do you need more examples? [19:17] you can do all of those things today [19:18] dobey, i think you are a developer, right? [19:19] studio_: no dobey is an awesome developer, he is also a busy one too, so please don't waste his time [19:19] because i'm not trying to run an exchange server on my phone? [19:19] i know thousands of people, and so far, i can't think of anyone of them who has ever wanted to run an exchange server on their phone [19:20] running a server on the phone is silly. you want a server to run a server. [19:20] studio_, I think we know where you're going with this - basically, ubuntu phone can't connect to an exchange server, therefore it's not a good platform. [19:20] Essentially. [19:20] why can't it connect to an exchange server? [19:21] proprietary undocumented protocols [19:21] dobey: because none of the apps do yet [19:21] Which is an opinion you're entitled to have, but it's pretty painful watching you dance around this, wasting everyones time. [19:21] dobey: if the exchange server supports imap you can connect via that === zz_Foxmaster is now known as Foxmaster [19:22] davmor2, so for what dobey is developing for something, that nobody is using? [19:22] therefor i go and make some sports now, seems more like a productive enviroment to me [19:22] there's some evolution stuff you can use to at least sync calendar and contacts to an exchange server on the phone, if you really want to go down the road of trying to make it work === matiasb_ is now known as matiasb [19:23] dobey, what is the evolution, mir or wayland? [19:23] millions of people are using software i wrote [19:24] or even billions maybe [19:24] dobey, ok, but what is the way, mir or wayland? [19:25] studio_: any evolution stuff is cli based [19:25] huh? [19:26] sorry, what means cli? [19:26] some passage says "the way to hell is paved with good intentions" [19:26] studio_: the evolution stuff dobey is on about is command line Interface based [19:27] the buddha says the way to enlightenment is through isolation [19:28] dobey: google says search here and you're questions shall be answered. I don't believe them either :D [19:28] a budhist goes to a hotdog vender and asks: *make me 'one' with everything! [19:28] Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present OTA-8, says Buddha. [19:28] is there a Buddha app yet? [19:29] maybe studio_ is the one [19:29] davmor2, where can i read about CLI, i am a bit confused about that in the moment ... === _salem is now known as salem_ [19:29] lol, now he doesn't know how to use the command line? [19:30] after all the complaints about apt-get and wanting to run various servers on a phone [19:30] go troll elsewhere please [19:30] OerHeks: i use the 'relax' app to goto higher spheres :p [19:31] is that a mail order peyote service? [19:31] lotus|xenial: I used step ladders to get to higher spheres it's much easier than relaxing [19:32] davmor2: :p [19:37] dobey, i am sorry about to understand you here in "ubunt-touch". you do not like to use a writeable system with aptitude or apt-get update / upgrade. we are talking about mir/wayland, xmir is still not supported, so what do you tell me? i am yust a "normal" user ... [19:38] no we are not talking about mir/wayland [19:38] sure [19:38] there is no such thing as a normal user, and even if there were, you certainly are not it [19:39] dobey, is ubuntu-touch supporting systemd? [19:39] if yes on what device? [19:40] no [19:41] the phone is still using upstart right now [19:41] but again, what has that got to do with anything? [19:43] hey [19:43] can somebody help with git install [19:43] i am getting an error [19:43] whole running sudo apt-get install git-all [19:43] ??? [19:44] dprophecyguy: on ubuntu touch [19:44] dprophecyguy: don't. apt is not supported [19:44] on ubuntu 15.04 === zz_Foxmaster is now known as Foxmaster [19:44] oh if it's not on a phone, you want #ubuntu for support :) [19:45] okay [19:45] thanks [19:45] dprophecyguy: this is a channel for phone related stuff, you'll want to ask on #ubuntu [19:45] but on a phone, apt is not supported [19:45] dobey: man you type fast [19:46] ok, k1l_ did made an withdrawn, after i askek him about "productive environment ", but please, is anybody here using the ubuntu-touch device i an productive environment system? [19:46] davmor2: an awesome developer must be light on one's fingers [19:46] studio_: stop. [19:47] dobey, stop is the wrong answer! [19:47] ubuntu phones have been in production for almost a year. [19:47] your disagreement with what is available or how you wish to use such a device, has nothing to do with a "productive environment" [19:48] frankly, you are creating an unproductive environment by coming in here and spewing your vitriol [19:48] dobey: oh that's such a nice word :) [19:49] :) [19:49] any answer to studio_ gives 2 more questions :-D [19:49] dobey, maybe a missunderstanding, i do not mean "in production"", i mean in "productive environment" ... [19:49] studio_: it's a phone. it makes phone calls. it is by definition fulfilling its purpose, and thus productive [19:50] studio_: you however, are not productive [19:50] dobey, you missed the point [19:50] studio_: there are 1000's of people using it daily as their main phone. so yes people use it in a productive environment daily [19:51] of all the points in this channel, it is not i who is missing them [19:52] davmor2, there are 1000's who reflash their ubuntu-Touch devices back to Android 5.0, have you ever seen that? [19:52] studio_, I use multiple ubuntu phones in my productive environment [19:53] studio_: No [19:53] I see six devices from where I'm sat. [19:53] popey: light weight [19:53] hah. [19:53] davmor2: but studio_ has done so a 1000 times [19:54] android 5 is so last week though [19:54] studio_, there are thousands of people who use Ubuntu on their phone and have not switched back to Android, we know this. [19:54] all the cool kids are using 6 on the nexus 5x [19:54] because we switch the camera on periodically to watch them [19:54] (we don't really, but it's a fun idea) [19:54] hahaha [19:54] * Stskeeps tells phoronix [19:54] hah! [19:55] * lotus|xenial is never going back to android [19:55] never say never :) [19:55] popey, how do you use your ubuntu-touch device in an "productive environment" ? For exp. how do you sync your e-Mails from the device with you computer/laptop? [19:56] well, when google buys canonical and renames ubuntu phone to android [19:56] studio_, I connect my mail client on my phone to my server via imap [19:56] studio_, i use webmail on my laptop. so they're in sync [19:56] srsly nobody "syncs" e-mails any more [19:56] this isn't 2002 [19:56] lol [19:56] Well, you could run Mutt on the phone if you want. [19:56] popey, come on, how do you use gpg? [19:57] I don't. [19:57] mutt supports imap [19:57] I haven't used GPG for years [19:57]