[00:25] <jack-the-ripper> So im thinking of switching from lubuntu to xubuntu, but i only have 2gbs of ram, is that sufficent enough?
[00:25] <knome> xubuntu can definitely run with 2GB ram
[00:26] <Unit193> Basically yes, though depending on what applications you use.
[00:26] <Unit193> (I have it on something with only 1G, not exactly the most friendly with FF but functional.)
[00:26] <knome> same with lubuntu though...
[00:27] <jack-the-ripper> Alright, and is the 64bit version a smart choice or should i use the 32bit?
[00:27] <knome> depends on your CPU architecture
[00:27] <Unit193> Right, though with something like Unity, the desktop is going to take up such that running additional stuff might well be fun.
[00:27] <jack-the-ripper> I can run 64bit
[00:29] <jack-the-ripper> I'm just wondering if running 64 will use more ram or not
[00:30] <knome> you should pick 64bit if you can run it
[00:30] <jack-the-ripper> Alright, thanks
[01:29] <steve_> hi, im trying to get my network manager plugin onto my panel
[05:47] <dougbb> I've been having some serious problems with my system "locking up" after it's been idle for a while .... the screen goes dark, backlight is on, but it won't "come back"
[05:47] <dougbb> I tried replacing light-locker with xscreensaver, no change
[05:48] <dougbb> in order to boot today at all I had to go back to the previous kernel
[05:48] <dougbb> any ideas?
[05:52] <Casper-> Hey guys, does anyone know how to turn off the 'corner-tiling' in XFCE 4.12?
[05:52] <Casper-> And just have the old regular 50% tiling?
[07:28] <xubuntu43w> where is the bug tracker?
[07:29] <flocculant> which one?
[07:29] <xubuntu43w> ok, found link here: http://xubuntu.org/dev/
[07:30] <xubuntu43w> but links to the wrong place
[07:30] <xubuntu43w> to report issues with current installer
[07:31] <flocculant> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/351/builds
[07:32] <flocculant> right at the top it has a section 'Find a bug'
[07:33] <xubuntu43w> is this also for xubuntu?
[07:33] <flocculant> yes - xubuntu is at the bottom
[07:46] <xubuntu43w> I'm installing Xubuntu and run into bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-ext3/+bug/1361951
[07:46] <xubuntu43w> This is not mentioned in release notes
[07:47] <xubuntu43w> and btw, installer doesn't link to release notes but to some nonexistent wiki page
[07:47] <flocculant> that wouldn't be on ours - if ubuntu thought it important enough they'd put it on their one - which they didn't
[07:48] <flocculant> not sure I understand what link you're talking about there
[07:48] <xubuntu43w> the link in the first dialog of the installer
[07:50] <xubuntu43w> it means that some of us cannot install on existent ext4 partition, the installer just hangs, no error provided...
[07:50] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: here it links to a list of releases
[07:51] <xubuntu43w> you mean this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu
[07:51] <flocculant> no
[07:51] <flocculant> or rather - those are our notes yes :)
[07:52] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-ext3/+bug/1361951/comments/39
[07:52] <flocculant> seems to be a work round
[07:52] <xubuntu43w> shouldn't be linking to http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-15-10-release/ ?
[07:52] <xubuntu43w> yeah, there is a workaround
[07:53] <xubuntu43w> if you sort of figure out what's going on
[07:53] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: the installer would only ever link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseNotes
[07:55] <xubuntu43w> sorry, this one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/FinalRelease/Xubuntu
[07:55] <xubuntu43w> the "Final" is missing in the installer link
[07:56] <flocculant> updated the release notes
[07:57] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: the main installer will only ever point at the main Ubuntu release notes not ours
[07:57] <xubuntu43w> ok
[07:59] <flocculant> you can ubuntu-bug ubiquity and report the notes link wrong, I'll confirm it
[08:06] <xubuntu43w> flocculant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1517769
[08:08] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: thanks :)
[08:09] <xubuntu43w> to you :)
[08:09] <xubuntu43w> I've also run into this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1078445
[08:09] <xubuntu43w> not exactly, but I had to disable automount in thunar
[08:10] <xubuntu43w> for me it would be more sensible to have it disabled by default in livecd
[08:12] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: I was wrong - the fix for the note bug should be easy enough
[08:13] <xubuntu43w> it seems to...
[08:13] <flocculant> I remember seeing that automount issue a while back - not seen it recently
[08:13] <xubuntu43w> it's not automounting when you just boot
[08:14] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: I know what's up there with the notes bug
[08:14] <xubuntu43w> but if you modify partitions, new partitions automount, and everything else in that volume
[08:15] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: yea I understand - not something that we can fix though - note it on the bug
[08:17] <xubuntu43w> I've disabled the settings for "mount removable *" in Volume Management configuration, in Thunar, and that solved it
[08:18] <xubuntu43w> those can be off by default in live, right?
[08:19] <flocculant> probably
[08:20] <flocculant> I've got to bow out now - you caught me before getting ready for work :)
[08:20] <xubuntu43w> flocculant: have a nice day, thanks
[08:23] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: for what it's worth the release note bug is now Fix Released
[11:35] <xubuntu253> hi wonder if anyone can answer a question re existing install and a new pc. I have xubuntu installed and configured the way i want it on a machine with an athlon dual core processor. I have been given a pentium dual core machine - could i swap the hard disk from the old machine to the new machine and keep all my settings or would i have to do a fresh install and reconfigure everything from there?
[11:37] <cfhowlett> xubuntu253, sanest/surest option would be to fresh install
[11:39] <xubuntu253> i figured that would be the cleanest and best solution - was just hoping to avoid reinstalling and reconfiguring all the software that i had added. I dont suppsoe that there is any tool like the xp files and settings transfer wizard available?
[11:40] <cfhowlett> xubuntu253, well you can certainly dpkg -l all your currently installed packages.  then sudo dpkg -k <packagelist> on the new machine
[11:41] <cfhowlett> dpkg -i
[12:13] <knome> cfhowlett, fwiw, using the same HDD should work; only problem might be some drivers on boot, but it's definitely fixable
[12:14] <knome> cfhowlett, and you could also copy most of the configuration from /home over anyway
[12:14] <knome> (that's what i do)
[12:14] <cfhowlett> knome makes sense.
[12:50] <flocculant> I've done similar - prior to moving the drive I've made sure I had no prop driver(s) enabled
[13:13] <xubuntu908> hi
[13:13] <xubuntu908> i never use xubuntu and ı want try today
[13:13] <xubuntu908> but wtf ı dont understand anything
[13:17] <cfhowlett> xubuntu908, 1.  drop the profanity.
[13:17] <cfhowlett> 2. did you install xubuntu.
[15:41] <JesusSavesMe> Hi\
[15:41] <JesusSavesMe> I have problem in xubuntu, i cant regulate laptop backlight
[15:42] <JesusSavesMe> Using Xubuntu 14.04 LTS. HP compaq 6715s laptop! Kernel 3.19.
[15:42] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Hello, sir, I'll help where I can, but I'm gonna have to say that I don't know much about laptops/backlights.
[15:44] <JesusSavesMe> ok
[15:45] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Here's a link which might shed light upon the subject: http://askubuntu.com/questions/517409/xubuntu-backlit-keyboard-not-working-on-14-04
[15:46] <JesusSavesMe> hmm
[15:46] <JesusSavesMe> ok
[16:11] <JesusSavesMe> i still cant change screen brightness.
[16:15] <mrkramps> JesusSavesMe, desktop pc? laptop? which graphics card?
[16:15] <JesusSavesMe> laptop
[16:15] <JesusSavesMe> ATI
[16:16] <JesusSavesMe> This works: sudo tee /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness <<< 5
[16:16] <mrkramps> ATI?
[16:16] <JesusSavesMe> But Fn + brithness keys doesnt work
[16:16] <JesusSavesMe> mrkramps, yes
[16:16] <mrkramps> JesusSavesMe, os it is a pretty old card?
[16:16] <mrkramps> *so
[16:17] <JesusSavesMe> yes
[16:17] <JesusSavesMe> ati x1250
[16:17] <mrkramps> ah, ok … just wanted this to be sure
[16:17] <mrkramps> JesusSavesMe, indicates you'Are using the free radeon driver
[16:17] <JesusSavesMe> yes
[16:18] <JesusSavesMe> cant even use proprietary
[16:18] <mrkramps> what is the exact laptop type
[16:19] <JesusSavesMe> HP COMPAQ 6715S
[16:19] <JesusSavesMe> fn + brightness doesnt respond
[16:20] <mrkramps> JesusSavesMe, does the brightness üanel plugin work?
[16:20] <JesusSavesMe> what
[16:21] <mrkramps> *panel plugin
[16:21] <JesusSavesMe> I dont have it i think?
[16:21] <JesusSavesMe> fresh Xubuntu install
[16:21] <JesusSavesMe> 3.19 kernel
[16:22] <JesusSavesMe> ok i installed power manager plugins
[16:24] <JohnnyComeL8ly> JesusSavesMe, did you install Xubuntu 15.10?
[16:24] <JesusSavesMe> Xubuntu 14.04
[16:24] <JesusSavesMe> As i said
[16:24] <JohnnyComeL8ly> I just thought you maybe got another version....
[16:24] <JesusSavesMe> I installed Power manager brightness plugin and it works
[16:24] <JesusSavesMe> But Fn + Brightness shortcut doesnt work
[16:25] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Ok, then go to your shortcuts panel.
[16:25] <JesusSavesMe> I cant install new version my laptop crashes with ( kernel > kernel 3.19) crash
[16:25] <JohnnyComeL8ly> And make shortcuts for that.
[16:25] <JesusSavesMe> I need Fn + brightness keys
[16:25] <JesusSavesMe> Ah ok
[16:25] <JesusSavesMe> yes
[16:27] <JesusSavesMe> cant find it
[16:27] <mrkramps> JesusSavesMe, you can try some bootoptions
[16:28] <JesusSavesMe> which ones?
[16:28] <mrkramps> my first suggestion would be to gib 'acpi_osi="Linux"' a try
[16:28] <mrkramps> --gib ++give
[16:31] <JohnnyComeL8ly> mrkramps, is that to fix his "any version greater than kernel 3.19 crashes"?
[16:31] <mrkramps> JohnnyComeL8ly, no
[16:31] <JohnnyComeL8ly> I'm just trying to follow along, sorry.
[16:32] <mrkramps> JohnnyComeL8ly, if you want to get more information on your kernel issues read through syslog and search for the errors
[16:34] <JohnnyComeL8ly> mrkramps, Ok, I'll try to remember that for when I need it.  JesusSavesMe is the needy one right now though.
[16:34] <JesusSavesMe> where is syslog/
[16:35] <mrkramps> JesusSavesMe, /var/log/syslog reps. sylog.1 and so on
[16:35] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Yes, I was gonna say that... had to check first.
[16:35] <JohnnyComeL8ly> :-}
[16:38] <JesusSavesMe> mrkramps, but i crash before boot
[16:38] <JesusSavesMe> during boot
[16:38] <JesusSavesMe> ok i restart
[16:40] <JohnnyComeL8ly> mrkramps, I wish I were able to help him locally.
[16:43] <mrkramps> JohnnyComeL8ly, locally you in general do not help people, but just fix their problems right away
[16:43] <JesusSavesMe> maybe i should install older kernel
[16:46] <JesusSavesMe> backlight works
[16:46] <JohnnyComeL8ly> mrkramps, you are right... good thing to keep in mind.
[16:46] <JesusSavesMe> but how to make shortcut keys work/
[16:46] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Use the keyboard shortcuts app.
[16:48] <JohnnyComeL8ly> JesusSavesMe, use  xfce4-keyboard-settings  Paste that into a terminal.
[16:49] <JesusSavesMe> maybe i need debug keyboard hotkeys
[16:50] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Then go to the Application Shortcuts tab and add one.
[16:50] <JohnnyComeL8ly> One that does what you want, that is.
[16:51] <mrkramps> JesusSavesMe, you may check if the Fn key combination is recognized by 'xev'
[16:51] <JesusSavesMe> ok i checked it
[16:52] <JesusSavesMe>  got black box
[16:52] <JesusSavesMe> Fn keys work
[16:53] <JesusSavesMe> only Fn + brightness  doesnt work
[16:53] <JesusSavesMe> bbrrr
[16:53] <JesusSavesMe> But i can change brightness with power manager plugin
[16:53] <JohnnyComeL8ly> JesusSavesMe, do what mrkramps suggested.
[16:54] <JohnnyComeL8ly> mrkramps and JesusSavesMe, what of this https://wiki.edubuntu.org/LaptopTestingTeam/Old/HPCompaq6715s
[16:55] <mrkramps> ok, you can of course try this boot option as well
[16:56] <JohnnyComeL8ly> mrkramps, I don't have a /boot/grub/menu.lst  I'm not sure that he does either.  Is that going to go into another file?
[16:56] <mrkramps> information is pretty outdated, but the bug mentioned does not seem to be fixed yet
[16:57] <mrkramps> JohnnyComeL8ly, edit /etc/default/grub and then update the boot loader 'sudo update-grub'
[16:57] <JesusSavesMe> but is it allowed to edit grub there?
[16:57] <mrkramps> yes
[16:58] <mrkramps> it is the common way of adding boot options permanentely
[16:58] <JesusSavesMe> what about "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE" ?
[16:58] <mrkramps> !?
[16:58] <mrkramps> there's no such line in my /etc/default/grub
[16:59] <JohnnyComeL8ly> That must be from /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[16:59] <mrkramps> exactly
[16:59] <mrkramps> and that is the WRONG file
[16:59] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Yeah.
[16:59] <JesusSavesMe> ah ok
[16:59] <JesusSavesMe> so what lines should i add?
[17:00] <mrkramps> replace: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[17:00] <mrkramps> with: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash noapic"
[17:01] <JesusSavesMe> you suggest disabling apci?
[17:01] <JohnnyComeL8ly> I'm glad you knew... I was only guessing (I've pickled myself over stuff like this - had to reinstall: but that was because I didn't follow a HOWTO....)
[17:02] <mrkramps> acutally i recommend to diable auto detection of APIC
[17:02] <mrkramps> _not_ ACPI
[17:02] <mrkramps> and there nothing like APCI ;)
[17:03] <JesusSavesMe> whatever :P
[17:04] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Acronyms have meaning.... :-D
[17:04] <JohnnyComeL8ly> So, do what mrkramps said and then reboot!
[17:04] <JohnnyComeL8ly> :-)
[17:05] <mrkramps> and do not forget to update the boot loader afterwards
[17:05] <JesusSavesMe> ok
[17:07] <JesusSavesMe> i cant boot into 3.19-33 kernel
[17:07] <JesusSavesMe> but 3.19-25 works
[17:07] <JesusSavesMe> ok i restart
[17:09] <JesusSavesMe> Hi
[17:09] <JesusSavesMe> didnt help
[17:11] <mrkramps> JesusSavesMe, did not help with kernel or with fn keys?
[17:11] <JesusSavesMe> fn
[17:11] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Ok, did you do 'sudo update-grub' after editing /etc/default/grub to change that line that mrkramps mentioned?
[17:12] <JohnnyComeL8ly> JesusSavesMe, so you can use 3.19-33 now?
[17:13] <JesusSavesMe> no
[17:16] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Ok, did you use 'xev' to see if Fn is recognized?
[17:17] <JohnnyComeL8ly> JesusSavesMe /\/\/\
[17:18] <JohnnyComeL8ly> brb
[18:03] <xbnt> hello everyone, i just installed xubuntu. I am newer to linux, not totally new :). Well i used ubuntu software center to install docky and the installation stopped at 90%. I tried everything but couldnt fix it. The terminal says "sudo dpkg --configure -a" to fix it manualy, but it gets into a loop. I tried a restart it didnt work. Can some1 help me plz
[18:08] <evandrojr> Try compiling docky
[18:08] <JohnnyComeL8ly> xbnt, 'dpkg-query -s docky'
[18:09] <xbnt> plz understand that i am new to linux. So i should run "dpkg-query -s docky" in terminal?
[18:09] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Yes, sir.
[18:09] <xbnt> ok, will try :D
[18:10] <xbnt> it says that docky is not installed, as i said it got stuck at 90%
[18:11] <JohnnyComeL8ly> well then, 'sudo apt-get -f'
[18:11] <JohnnyComeL8ly> xbnt: ^^^
[18:13] <JohnnyComeL8ly> xbnt, sorry 'sudo apt-get install -f'
[18:14] <xbnt> it says again that dpkg was manualy canceled and tat i should use sudo dpkg --configure -a
[18:17] <xbnt> i used sudo dpkg --configure -a and now i get :   Installing 1 assembly from libdbus2.0-cil into Mono    || Warning: Degraded allocation.  Consider increasing nursery-size if the warning persists.
[18:18] <xbnt> O.O somehow it is fixed lol XD
[18:18] <xbnt> well thx for help xD
[18:52] <xubuntu90i> Hey. I tried to uninstall thunderbird today. I didn't need it. Turns out a lot of stuff was uninstalled. Like gnome-terminal and xfce. Reinstalling from scratch now. But is this really what is suppose to happen when you uninstall thunderbird?
[18:53] <Unit193> How exactly did you try to uninstall?  I've removed it as I don't use nor need it.
[18:54] <xubuntu90i> I used the Ubuntu Software Center, and just clicked "Remove". I did get a warning that a lot of packages (that seemed important) would be removed also. But I didn't believe that it could do any harm so I clicked yes
[18:55] <xubuntu90i> But it did some harm... :)
[18:58] <xubuntu90i> It was a pretty fresh Xubuntu 15.10 install. Just a couple of days old. Soon done with the reinstallation now, so I'm soon back in buisness.  But just found it peculiar, so I thought I'd mention it here.
[18:59] <flocculant> usc told me it was going to remove lang pack only with it
[19:01] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Unit193, maybe you should state the "proper" method of package removal.
[19:01] <xubuntu90i> Hmmm. strange. I'll test my new installation now to see if I get the same warning
[19:01] <xubuntu90i> what is the "proper" way?
[19:01] <flocculant> JohnnyComeL8ly: any of them should work
[19:02] <Unit193> JohnnyComeL8ly: There's not one canonical way.
[19:06] <JesusSavesMe> Hi
[19:06] <JesusSavesMe> GOD BLESS YOU!
[19:07] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Hello, JesusSavesMe, God bless you too. (I'm sincere here.)
[19:07] <knome> JesusSavesMe, do you have a support question?
[19:07] <xubuntu10> Turns out it was the "Mail Reader" that gave me the problems
[19:07] <JesusSavesMe> knome, no
[19:08] <xubuntu10> Not thunderbird
[19:08] <Unit193> xubuntu10: That's exo, so yep!
[19:08] <knome> JesusSavesMe, we have #xubuntu-offtopic for general chatter if you are looking for that.
[19:08] <xubuntu10> Unit193: What's exo?
[19:09] <xubuntu10> (sorry for switching nickname btw. couldn't remember what I had before I logged out a minute ago)
[19:10] <knome> xubuntu10, that's ok, seasoned support people will catch that.
[19:12] <mrkramps> xubuntu10, actually the "Mail Reader" is just a generic starter for your preferred mail reader
[19:12] <mrkramps> by default it is thunderbird ;)
[19:13] <mrkramps> xubuntu10, for exo read about it here http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/exo/start
[19:13] <xubuntu10> mrkramps: Thanks!
[19:14] <xubuntu10> It's pretty cool that there is a support channel for Xubuntu! I just randomly stumbled across this
[19:14] <mrkramps> yeah, you'll find quite some support channels for projekt "you name it" on IRC
[19:15] <JesusSavesMe> Why i cant install older kernel?
[19:15] <JesusSavesMe> It says dependency not satisfiable
[21:00] <xubuntu09i> help
[21:00] <Pici> okay?
[23:44] <egggs> hello all
[23:45] <knome> hello