[00:29] <ejay> whats the shortcut to enable menu in okular?
[00:51] <bprompt> ejay: ctrl-m usually, on most apps
[01:59] <patte> hello, this is patte from italy [kubuntu 15.10], can i have little tip from you?
[01:59] <patte> if is possible, of course
[02:03] <patte> hei, is anyone here?
[02:03] <patte> i need only a little help, not for "broke"....
[02:04] <patte> hi Fine
[02:04] <Finetundar> hi patte
[02:04] <patte> sorry i need a little help
[02:04] <patte> can you?
[02:04] <patte> it's for modding my desktop kde5
[02:04] <Finetundar> patte: I can try
[02:05] <patte> i need to change size of icons, and spacing
[02:05] <patte> i use kubuntu 15.10
[02:05] <patte> on the desktop
[02:06] <Finetundar> hmm, one sec
[02:06] <patte> maybe is possible change from txt file?
[02:07] <Finetundar> ok, can you go to your system settings?
[02:14] <denza242> patte: spacing of the icons?
[02:14] <patte> yes
[02:15] <patte> maybe size etc etc...
[02:17] <patte> maybe a config file... or a program like gnome dconf
[02:17] <patte> just for modding my desktop like a n00b :-) (i'm n00b heheheh)
[02:18] <Finetundar> patte: there are options for it in the system settings menu
[02:19] <patte> for spacing of desktop icons? sure?
[02:19] <patte> i can't find looool
[02:20] <Finetundar> patte: well, I may be wrong, problem is all I have to go on right now is KDE 4. BUT if nothing more than the visual style changed then it should be the same
[02:21] <patte> aaaa ok, thanks :-) i have the 5... and when i go on settings i can change all but not on the desktop...
[02:21] <Finetundar> patte: for 4 it's System Settings--->Application Apperence---->icons
[02:21] <Finetundar> --->advanced
[02:22] <patte> yep i'm in, but, for desktop icons i have no possibilityes of change
[02:22] <Finetundar> patte: you can't even change the size?
[02:23] <patte> for all, i can set, dimension and animations, but for the desktop i can't... :__(
[02:23] <Finetundar> There's no desktop section?
[02:24] <patte> desktop section is there, but i can't clik with the mouse on dimension etc...
[02:24] <patte> like without permission
[02:24] <Finetundar> ?
[02:24] <patte> i try with admin permission, but... not way...
[02:24] <patte> soo i'm here for find another street :-)
[02:25] <patte> maybe config file... or other...
[02:25] <patte> way not street
[02:25] <patte> street is like italian ehhehe
[02:25] <Finetundar> no option to use admin, or no was as in you WON't use admin?
[02:26] <patte> yes, i have option modificable for all pc, but not for the desktop inteface heheh
[02:26] <Finetundar> give me a few, I'm gonna make a VM real quick
[02:27] <Finetundar> Just need to DL the ISO
[02:28] <patte> ok thanks for help
[02:28] <Finetundar> No problem
[02:37] <Finetundar> or ya know, vbox will decide not to work
[02:45] <patte> hahahha no problem, good night
[02:45] <patte> i go to bed
[02:45] <patte> see you and thanks for trying :-)
[02:45] <Finetundar> patte: night
[06:55] <kernelcruncher> is there an alternative to wodim in k3b, in another distro I use cdrecord which gives better behaviour
[09:39] <allon> Hi
[09:39] <allon> I have a problem with krunner and can not find the solution in internet
[09:39] <allon> I installed qtcreator
[09:40] <allon> I can start it clicking on K + typing qtcreator in the research bar
[09:40] <allon> but it does not appear when I type qtcreator in krunner (alt - f)
[09:40] <allon> f2
[09:57] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:57] <allon> good morning
[09:58] <lordievader> Hey allon, how are you doing?
[09:58] <allon> lordievader: find and you?
[09:59] <lordievader> Doing good. Coffee is on its way :)
[10:00] <allon> here it is nearly luch time :)
[10:00] <allon> lunch
[10:06] <excalibr> bonjour allon
[10:21] <allon> Hi
[10:21] <allon> BOnjour
[10:22] <Smurphy> Tcho. Ils vont tres rapidement raler ici, si on parle francais ... Tu parles aussi anglais, utilise ca alors :)
[10:24] <allon> I wonder how excalibr foud out I am french
[10:25] <allon> when I speak it no doubt accent is there but I did not know you can see it when I write it :)
[10:26] <excalibr> Not sure if this is good idea. I have kubuntu-ci ppa enabled and had some updates installed from it. Now I disabled the ppa and added kubuntu-backports ppa. And now Im about to install some updates from it. Should I expect a major disastar from doing this?
[10:26] <lordievader> allon: 'abo.wanadoo.fr' says enough?
[10:27] <allon> hehe :)
[10:27] <allon> it does indeed
[10:28] <allon> any idea about how to update krunner?
[10:28] <allon> I can start my programms from the K command but not from Krunner
[10:30] <excalibr> try kill it then give it a restart
[10:32] <excalibr> I always thought it uses the same cache of apps list that apps launcher uses
[10:32] <allon> I thougth too
[10:35] <Smurphy> It is the: BOnjour - that gave you away.
[10:36] <foormea> allon: does it just not show in the suggestions, or does it do nothing when you press enter?
[10:36] <allon> the bonjour came after :)
[10:36] <allon> it does not show in suggestion
[10:36] <allon> I try to enter
[10:36] <Smurphy> allon: You could eventually also delete the cache content. Cause that fixed quite some issues on my Upgrade (from 15.04 to 15.10)
[10:37] <allon> I killed krunner and rerunned it no success
[10:38] <allon> when I press enter after qtcreator it does open installation.txt
[10:38] <allon> can you tell me where is this cache?
[10:39] <Smurphy> allon: Don't remember. I remember that I had removed it.
[10:39] <Smurphy> Hold on - checking.
[10:39] <Smurphy> cd ~/.cache
[10:39] <Smurphy> there is even a krunner entry :)
[10:40] <Smurphy> I had deleted the plasmashell stuff.
[10:42] <allon> you mean that in ./chache directory there is a krunner directory?
[10:44] <Smurphy> in mine - there is, yes.
[10:45] <Smurphy> If you did upgrade your system, I would eventually also wipe the .cache directory content entirely.
[10:45] <allon> I did a fresh install from the lts
[10:45] <Smurphy> fresh install from lts ?
[10:45] <allon> from the 14.04
[10:45] <Smurphy> fresh install means formatted etc.
[10:45] <allon> yes
[10:45] <Smurphy> So - this is an upgrade.
[10:46] <allon> upgrade is not when you are in a 10.04 for exemple and click on upgrade my system?
[10:46] <Smurphy> How does that work. You would have required to start a live OS/CD, then format it.
[10:46] <Smurphy> you clicked on: Upgrade from 14.04 ?
[10:46] <allon> no :)
[10:46] <allon> I am not clear
[10:46] <Smurphy> You are still in 14.04 ? or 15.10 ?
[10:47] <allon> 14.04
[10:47] <allon> because it last 3 years
[10:47] <Smurphy> Ok. So - that is different then.
[10:47] <Smurphy> I don't have a 14.04 LTS system anymore.
[10:48] <Smurphy> Make a "lsb_release -d" please
[10:48] <allon> Description:    Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS
[10:51] <Smurphy> ok. the it is Ok. I suspect krunner is still on KDE4, hence I can't check here. You will have to wait until someone has it installed to compare.
[10:52] <allon> works !!!!
[10:52] <Smurphy> What - removing the cache ?
[10:52] <allon> I went into /var/tmp/kdecache-<myusername>
[10:52] <Smurphy> and you removed the krunner stuff ?
[10:52] <allon> deleted my cache
[10:53] <allon> and yes it does work
[10:53] <allon> yes
[10:53] <Smurphy> Cool. Ok - going back top my basement, got a drone top finish :)
[10:53] <allon> thanks a lot for your help
[10:53] <allon> going back to my toomorow timetable :(
[10:53] <Smurphy> np :}
[14:43] <ashledombos> Hi, I guess «it's the last kubuntu ever» is FUD, isn't it? :)
[14:46] <hazamonzo> ashledombos: FUD?
[14:51] <ashledombos> hazamonzo: well the articles that were written afetr announce from Jonathan Riddell
[14:53] <hazamonzo> Ahh thats a shame
[14:55] <yofel> uhm, could people please stop paying attention to those? Jonathan is gone, yes. Kubuntu might not be quite the same as it was in the future, yes. But there's no intention of discontinuing it completely.
[14:57] <ashledombos> good, i'm asking as I switched very recently to kubuntu after hesitating with other kde centrist distros
[14:57] <ashledombos> so I'm not very aware of all the past of kubuntu
[15:00] <hazamonzo> ashledombos: I've been using Kubuntu for many years. I love it :)
[15:00] <hazamonzo> And 15.10 is looking great at the moment
[15:03] <soee> so 16.04 will be even better
[15:03] <soee> with Plasma 5.5 etc. :)
[15:03] <hazamonzo> Its all looking very pretty these days
[15:04] <ashledombos> indeed
[15:05] <ashledombos> my choice went to kubuntu as it seems to be the closest to kde vanilla and teh most beautiful too :)
[15:05] <hazamonzo> ashledombos: I just wanted a classic taskbar. I wasn't a huge fan of the Ubuntu UI
[15:05] <ashledombos> i guess i need to say Plasma now, old habits
[15:05] <hazamonzo> And the useful desktop widgets like pastebin
[15:07] <ashledombos> yes, though you can install some widget in unity doing the same stuff
[15:07] <ashledombos> but it's not straightforward
[15:08] <hazamonzo> ashledombos: I installed a ubuntu VM a while back and the vm wasn't too powerful. By default ubuntu (unity) had all these desktop fading effects that really slowed it all down... I found that i couldn't switch off the effects without a unity tool that i had to install, that in the end didn't actually work. It was slightly annoying
[15:09] <hazamonzo> Also KSnapshot is much better than the ubunut screen capture tool
[15:09] <hazamonzo> These are just small things but they are the reason i stick with Kubuntu
[15:11] <ashledombos> yes you need something like shutter to have more or less the same features :) I agree Plasma is by default much better, especially the «open with»
[15:12] <ashledombos> wich is a pain in all gtk environment
[15:12] <hazamonzo> :)
[15:14] <ashledombos> the transition to flat design is very good too in Plasma 5, I'm discovering it since two days
[15:14] <ashledombos> the «alternatives» in widget is a good surprise
[15:16] <ashledombos> have some crashing widget but I guess some are still fresh
[15:16] <hazamonzo> Alternatives?
[15:18] <ashledombos> yes, when you right click on task bar or «K» menu
[15:18] <ashledombos> for instance
[15:19] <ashledombos> you can switch to ful screen menu… icon tasks etc
[15:20] <ashledombos> without having to nemove a widget and add a new one
[15:34] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:34] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[15:35] <hazamonzo> Hi BluesKaj
[15:37] <BluesKaj> Hi clivejo, hazamonzo
[15:37] <clivejo> o?
[15:37] <clivejo> o/
[18:11] <CircuitZero> I've been trying to get base mosaic working on my nvidia cards for a while now - what am I doing wrong? http://pastebin.com/sTtBZUf0
[19:49] <jubo2> I need to move some partitions to a bigger disk
[19:50] <jubo2> Someone mentioned here it can be done with dd
[19:50] <jubo2> but wouldn't Gparted also be useful in that?
[19:54] <jubo2> what happens if I remove the partition marked "boot"?
[19:54] <jubo2> I need to get rid of /dev/sda1
[19:54] <jubo2> it's an old broken Kubuntu
[22:01] <wuschLOR> hi there just a fix question I'm starting tu use akonadi - for mails (working) but I'm not sure where do integrate the smtp ?
[22:01] <wuschLOR> any help here ?
[22:04] <keithzg_> Sad that 15.10 still doesn't fix my lack of VTs on my main PC :(
[22:04] <valorie> wuschLOR: integrate the smtp>
[22:04] <valorie> ?
[22:04] <valorie> are you talking about setting up kmail?
[22:05] <valorie> if so, #kontact might be better
[22:05] <valorie> keithzg_: how many do you need?
[22:05] <keithzg_> valorie: "Any" would be nice :P
[22:05]  * valorie happily uses yakuake
[22:05] <wuschLOR> valorie: the question is do i have to add it to akonadi or to kmail
[22:05] <Unit193> keithzg_: Didn't I help you fix this?
[22:05] <valorie> wuschLOR: to kmail
[22:05] <keithzg_> valorie: You helped me try to, never actually worked :(
[22:05] <valorie> ?
[22:06] <wuschLOR> I just saw im using kontact
[22:06] <valorie> wuschLOR: kmail is one part of Kontact, yeah
[22:06] <valorie> yakuake doesn't work for you?
[22:06] <valorie> horrors
[22:06] <keithzg_> valorie: Oh, no, yakuake works fine.
[22:06] <valorie> ok
[22:06] <valorie> whew
[22:07] <valorie> my son insists on konsole, which is fine
[22:07] <valorie> or.... are you talking the alt+f2, 3, 4 etc? VTs
[22:08] <keithzg_> valorie: Yakuake's undeniably my #1 used application, heh, has been for years. Yeah my problem is on my one machine since the 15.04 upgrade I haven't been able to ex. ctrl-alt-f1 and get a terminal, which is fairly useful when a fullscreen game locks up, plasma crashes and doesn't restart, etc.
[22:08] <valorie> because that seems a bit buggy at times here too
[22:08] <valorie> alt+f1 doesn't work
[22:09] <Unit193> keithzg_: sudo ln -sf /usr/lib/systemd/system/getty@.service /etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/getty@tty1.service && sudo systemctl start getty@tty1.service  then try switching to tty1?
[22:09] <valorie> err, now it does, but immediately fills with error messages
[22:09] <Unit193> I did that and it worked like a charm.
[22:10] <valorie> all of them immediately fill with error messages for me
[22:10] <valorie> errr, alt+ctl+f1 I meant
[22:11] <valorie> must ingest moar coffee
[22:11] <keithzg_> valorie: Yup, I gotcha :) Hmm. I'll have to reboot this machine to try that (was trying to see if it'd work under upstart). I wonder how I'll do that . . .
[22:11] <Unit193> Ctrl+Alt+F1, right.  Well sometimes TTY1 does have some output from boot, I tend to favor TTY3 personally (I have the journel output on 12.)
[22:12] <Unit193> Hah, well yeah, that won't affect upstart. :D
[22:13] <keithzg_> Unit193: Worse, if you boot under upstart with 15.10, it appears that the GUI buttons in SDDM don't actually work for restarting! It does the countdown . . . and the countdown keeps going once it hits zero, then -1, then -2 . . .
[22:13] <Unit193> keithzg_: Ahaha!  That's pretty awesome. :D
[22:13] <Unit193> Wait, do you have systemd-shim installed?
[22:14] <keithzg_> Unit193: Appears that I do on that machine.
[22:15] <wuschLOR> valorie: hmm ... dosn't realy work - think I try it tomorrow when I'm not sleepy
[22:15] <Unit193> OK, in *theory* it should work with -shim installed.
[22:15] <keithzg_> Unit193: I do swear it worked a while back, this is the first time I tried it on 15.10 though.
[22:16] <keithzg_> valorie: Yeah sadly I still just get a blank screen on tty1.
[22:16] <valorie> wuschLOR: for kmail etc. questions, #kontact is the best place to ask
[22:16] <valorie> keithzg_: ewww
[22:16] <wuschLOR> ah ok
[22:16] <Unit193> keithzg_: Huh, worked for me where it didn't before.
[22:16] <wuschLOR> ty
[22:16] <valorie> although I'm not sure my screen full of error messages is better
[22:16] <wuschLOR> excelent lets hope i wont need it
[22:16] <keithzg_> heh
[22:17] <wuschLOR> never thougt it would be so hard to send letters now that getting them is so easy
[22:17] <Unit193> keithzg_: What about manually starting it on tty1?
[22:18] <Unit193> keithzg_: Or perhaps before doing that, show me sudo systemctl status getty@tty1.service
[22:19] <keithzg_> Unit193: Claims all is well: https://paste.kde.org/pj9s1xreo
[22:21] <keithzg_> Although . . . there's no /usr/lib/systemd/system/ ?
[22:21] <Unit193> /lib/systemd/system/
[22:23] <keithzg_> Ah, right, was looking at the wrong of the two paths.
[22:24] <keithzg_> Still, I can't see how the service *would* be working since it's a symlink pointed towards /usr/lib/systemd/system/getty@.service which doesn't exist?
[22:25]  * keithzg_ grabs valorie some coffee ;)
[22:26]  * Unit193 has been wondering if keithzg_ is having brain segfaults.
[22:27] <valorie> https://paste.kde.org/px4pys7x0 is mine, Unit193
[22:27] <valorie> thanks for the coffee keithzg_!
[22:28] <valorie> gotta rake some more leaves before the sun sets here, though
[22:28] <keithzg_> valorie: You still had leaves to rake up?
[22:29]  * keithzg_ and his northern climate are jealous
[22:31] <valorie> I'm taking the last of the neighbor's big-leaf maple leaves
[22:31] <valorie> my own sparse leaves are where they should be, on the beds
[22:31] <keithzg_> valorie: Ah, I see I see
[22:31] <valorie> but the bare ones get the maple leaves this year
[22:32] <valorie> courtesy of my cold hands and feet out raking in freezing weather
[22:32] <valorie> should have done it before it rained, when I could have just mowed them with the power mower
[22:32] <valorie> but no, lacked the time back then
[22:33] <keithzg_> Ah yes, the perpetual and invariably ironic problem of lacking the time to do things the easier way until it's too late!
[22:34] <keithzg_> Unit193: Correcting the symlink and restarting that service seems to have accomplished nothing, alas. I'm a bit unclear here why "systemctl status" reported all was well despite the symlink being bogus.
[22:35] <keithzg_> Interestingly enough, although the systemctl output is nearly identical, using the classic service $servicename status adds this line to the output: "Nov 22 15:30:43 district agetty[3161]: /dev/tty1.service: No such file or directory".
[22:35] <keithzg_> But I guess that's just the difference between formulations. Maybe my brain *is* segfaulting ;)
[22:42]  * keithzg_ is very much not a fan of things where no matter what's broken or what changes are made to fix it, the logs still all report the same blasé assurances :P
[23:16] <Unit193> keithzg_: Weird, evening having the symlink wrong still seems to run the service. 0_o
[23:16] <Unit193> I had forgotten to correct that when I added that for my own, and ps shows all 3 running already.
[23:18] <bprompt> hmm
[23:25] <Unit193> keithzg_: I think we can agree that systemd is doing some form of voodoo here, but yeah corrected those links.
[23:33] <Unit193> keithzg_: You still with me kermit?