daftykinsweekend folks be crazy! :D00:02
OerHeksyeah, it must be getting colder00:03
OerHeksjust seen that james bond movie ..00:03
daftykinsOerHeks: what did you make of it?00:42
OerHeksof that bond movie ?00:42
OerHeks... mwah.. it is not the bond i used to know when i was a kid, say 40 years ago00:42
OerHeksthe story/plot was enough for a 55 minute soap00:43
OerHeksnice effects though.. all i miss was the music.00:43
OerHeksall bond movies were full of music, this one was 'dead'00:44
daftykinsmmm, i don't really do the generic action films00:52
OerHekswell, my neighbour is bond fan, and a few months back, someone dumped his dvd collection when he moved out ( and other stuff), and got him the 7 first movies.00:56
OerHeksthe other 200 dvd's i kept myself00:56
OerHeksstill need a dvd player, else i need to put them on usb00:57
daftykinsthat's a lot of discs00:58
OerHeksi always take the curtainrails from those piles, when a newcomer arrives, i am the friendly neighbour that helped with expensive rails for free ( when i leave, i have to remove them too and fill the holes, crazy )01:01
OerHekspeople trow away so much, we are filthy rich but do not know it.01:02
OerHekspc's ..01:02
daftykinsvery true01:02
daftykinscertainly when someone comes in having trouble with a rubbish netbook...01:03
OerHeksoh got one of those, not really worth to run anymore, single core, gma 450 poulsbo ..01:04
daftykinsyeah, they were rubbish when new :D01:05
daftykinswas all this stuff in a skip, then?01:05
daftykinsnot sure if that word translates well01:05
OerHeks207 dvd's? yes01:07
OerHeksevery month someone moves, 100 appartments in one building.01:07
daftykinsah har01:08
daftykinsbig high-rise tower thing?01:08
OerHeksno, l shape, one side 3 floors, and my site is 6 floors high, i live top floor01:09
OerHekspretty view, and from the frontdoor i can see Schiphol airport01:10
daftykinsooh nice!01:11
daftykinsi don't suppose you have any images of said view?01:11
OerHeksno, no picture of schiphol, got one from early spring, say april https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6885560/bijnaGroen.JPG01:15
OerHeksonly when the wind comes from the east, i can hear the planes starting and landing.. but still acceptable.01:17
OerHekshehe Drabber loves flowers https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6885560/DrabberRuiktBloemetjes2014.JPG01:19
daftykinssorry just nipped downstairs to check on the cat :D01:20
daftykinsooh that's a nice bright snap :)01:21
daftykinsi like all the little figures by the window01:21
OerHekscopper things, i used to collect them a lot.01:21
OerHeksor cupper, not sure01:21
daftykinscopper yep for the shiny metal, mmm01:24
pauljwgnite all02:27
daftykinsphew, i felt positively surrounded by them all just before03:03
Bashing-omdaftykins: You wield the sword of truth so well.03:15
daftykinshaha, i'm being mistaken for grumpy!03:15
Bashing-omsome people do not take the cut well :))03:17
daftykinsTJ-: aww you've been missing all the fun!03:27
daftykinshave you found a time the crazies go away? :P03:27
TJ-morning :)03:27
TJ-Have you been stirring it up?03:28
daftykinsthat Victoria has been comment on my demeanour in front of the riff raff!03:30
OerHeksVictoriaXOXO is writing a book05:44
OerHeksor you are doing his schoolwork05:44
TJ-I thought it was a her from some gender based comments 'it' made a few daya ago05:45
OerHeksmy solution was /etc/network/if-post-down.d/ >> http://askubuntu.com/questions/519920/how-to-run-an-up-script-using-network-manager-openvpn05:46
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lotuspsychjegood morning to all06:21
TJ-breakie time, mmm06:22
lotuspsychjehey TJ-06:22
lotuspsychjeTJ-: found your duocam issue yet?06:22
TJ-Getting closer yes06:23
TJ-It turns out the reason UFocus isn't enabled is that the HTC Camera code makes calls to another, separate, HTC CustomiziationManager class from a separate package which is part of the 'Sense' framework. I should be able to reverse it sufficiently to create alternate placibo classes that give the answers the Camera code expects to hear06:23
lotuspsychjeive been testing out unity8/mir on xenial yesterday06:25
lotuspsychjepretty fun :p06:25
lotuspsychjeinstall/logout/choose mir/8 from login/use06:27
TJ-I cannot believe how much time that cimbakahn has wasted just making a decision!06:54
lotuspsychjeits not ubuntu's website thats confusing, but he confuses himself lol06:54
TJ-Entered the channel 1 hour 10 minutes ago... amazing06:55
TJ-no wonder the lubuntu channel played dead when he was in there :)06:57
lotuspsychjeTJ-: i wish they would mention minimal is more expert: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall#Full_install.2C_minimal_install_or_core_install.3F06:57
TJ-Well, it sounds like thats what this user wants, let him have it06:57
lotuspsychjealot of chans are really dead for sure :p06:57
TJ-sounds like OCD/micro-manager type06:57
lotuspsychjehahaha 15.04 minmal :p and let him encounter alot of issues06:58
TJ-OH GAWD, I need a stiff drink else I'll explode06:58
lotuspsychje40mb minimal lol07:01
lotuspsychjethat would be a pain :p07:01
TJ-a few minutes until dawn so I'm going to take the dogs out07:03
lotuspsychjeok cheers TJ-07:04
lotuspsychjerun them tired :p07:04
TJ-that's the plan, there's frost on the ground so shouldn't be too muddy07:07
lotuspsychjeyeah getting colder here also07:07
lordievaderGood morning.09:58
lordievaderHey TJ-, how are you doing?09:59
lordievaderGotten your Android fixed?10:00
TJ-which bit was broken that you're thinking about? :S10:01
lordievaderYesterday you said: 21-10:48 < TJ-> fighting android decompiliation to hack a fix :)10:01
TJ-The M8 is fine with CM12.1 on now. What I'm tackling is enabling UFocus support10:01
TJ-yeah, was decompiling the HTC Camera apk to figure out what is missing for getting the application to use the 2nd camera to capture a depth map, so the UFocus will work10:02
lordievaderThat is all uncharted territory for me.10:03
* lordievader is one of those persons who doesn't have a smart phone10:03
TJ-an apk is basically a Java JAR archive, but with all the Java class files compiled into a single 'classes.dex' Dalvik VM bytecode file, so had to do dex2jar and then decompile the jar (Java class files)10:05
lordievaderI see, interesting.10:07
TJ-some methods in some class files weren't able to be decompiled, and they happened to be the ones I needed to see! Sorted it eventually, with an online service using the same libraries I was using, so I must have been doing something not quite the same10:08
lordievaderWhy weren't those able to be decompiled? Some missing dependency?10:10
TJ-no, something in the bytecode from the dex2jar output as far as I can tell. I used http://www.decompileandroid.com  and that worked. nice little project, that, too10:11
lotuspsychjegood sunday to all10:17
lordievaderHey lotuspsychje10:18
lotuspsychjehey lordievader and cfhowlett10:19
cfhowletthideeho lotuspsychje10:19
lotuspsychjelordievader: too complicated for a sundaymorning :p10:25
lordievaderIt ain't that hard is it? It comes down to the ex-grad student poisoning the compiler that if it saw its own project it would rewrite the source and compile that instead.10:26
TJ-I'm amazed this so-called consultant didn't inspect the executable code; that would always be my first step when something 'strange' is happening :D10:28
lotuspsychjehey EriC^^13:07
EriC^^TJ-: i'm pretty sure there's a bug involving kernels and grub or so, wondering about it13:07
EriC^^this is my grub kernel line in /etc/default/grub13:07
EriC^^GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="splash quiet crashkernel=384M-:128M crashkernel=384M-:128M crashkernel=384M-:128M crashkernel=384M-:128M crashkernel=384M-:128M"13:07
EriC^^keeps adding that same parameter i guess13:07
lotuspsychjeive recently made a 15.10 iso then got error on boot, and had to press TAB and manual enter liveinstall to be able to boo the usb13:07
EriC^^hey lotuspsychje13:07
lotuspsychjethis related?13:07
TJ-EriC^^: oh, in the linux-image postinst script?13:08
EriC^^TJ-: i guess so13:08
TJ-EriC^^: which release is that?13:09
TJ-EriC^^: oh, strange! didn't think 14.04 used the crashkernel setting. Which kernel version is latest? one of the HWE varieties?13:10
EriC^^there's this line in /etc/default/grub.d/kexec-tools.cfg13:10
EriC^^not sure if it's related13:11
TJ-oh, kexec-tools13:11
EriC^^looks like it takes the last one and adds that?13:11
TJ-EriC^^: right, it's doing a simple concatenation every time grub-mkconfig is called by update-grub13:15
TJ-bug 131811113:16
ubot5bug 1318111 in kexec-tools (Ubuntu) "Adds more and more copies of ‘crashkernel=384M-:128M’ in /etc/default/grub when upgrading or reinstalling grub-pc" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131811113:16
EriC^^hmm i tried to update-grub it's still not adding it13:16
EriC^^oh ok, must be when i grub-install13:17
TJ-no, the code in grub-mkconfig calls it13:17
TJ-for x in ${sysconfdir}/default/grub.d/*.cfg ; do13:17
EriC^^it's not adding it though13:17
EriC^^yeah but it doesn't touch /etc/default/grub though right? just makes grub.cfg?13:17
TJ-EriC^^: it 'sources' /etc/default/grub and /etc/default/grub.d/*13:18
EriC^^odd it's still just 5, i tried to grub-install13:18
EriC^^maybe it was fixed or something13:18
EriC^^TJ-: yeah, the line is being added to /etc/default/grub13:18
TJ-It shouldn't be added to /etc/default/grub13:19
EriC^^let me try reinstalling kexec-tools13:19
EriC^^nope still just 513:20
TJ-update-grub sources /etc/default/grub and then /etc/default/grub.d/* so anything in the later will be added/replace to anything in the former13:20
TJ-EriC^^: Try "bash -x /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig" to see what the script does13:20
EriC^^TJ-: yeah, but added to grub.cfg , not /etc/default/grub right?13:21
EriC^^how's it getting added to /etc/default/grub though13:21
TJ-EriC^^: whatever grub-mkconfig generates is redirected to /boot/grub/grub.cfg by update-grub script13:21
TJ-EriC^^: not from those scripts13:21
EriC^^yeah, let me try to reinstall grub package13:22
EriC^^TJ-: ok i found it13:24
EriC^^when i installed grub-efi-amd64 it added a 6th one13:24
EriC^^while installing the package it said13:24
EriC^^Replacing config file /etc/default/grub with new version13:24
EriC^^then /etc/default/grub had an extra kernel parameter13:24
EriC^^TJ-: oh i see, so /etc/default/grub.d is used to generate changes in /etc/default/grub13:28
EriC^^and update-grub triggers just /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d to make grub.cfg as usual13:29
TJ-EriC^^: no, it shouldn't, unless the content of yours is different to mine13:30
EriC^^shouldn't what?13:30
TJ-shouldn't change /etc/default/grub13:31
TJ-/etc/default/grub.d/kexec-tools.cfg should just have:13:31
EriC^^it makes sense, there's /etc/grub.d to build grub.cfg13:31
EriC^^and /etc/default/grub.d to build /etc/default/grub13:31
TJ-No, it doesn't build it, both files are sourced into the grub-mkconfig environment13:31
TJ-I've posted a fix to that bug report, anyhow13:31
EriC^^i modified the kexec-tools.cfg and while installing it asks whether to merge with /etc/default/grub or what13:33
TJ-can you pastebin that, because there's no such questions in the grub-mkconfig script13:33
EriC^^it's before grub-mkconfig13:34
EriC^^Replacing config file /etc/default/grub with new version13:34
EriC^^Installing for x86_64-efi platform.13:34
EriC^^Installation finished. No error reported.13:34
EriC^^Generating grub configuration file ...13:34
EriC^^then it's calling grub-mkconfig13:34
TJ-That's the package post-inst script then, not from calling update-grub13:35
TJ-update-grub calls grub-mkconfig which does: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13444873/13:35
EriC^^this is in the .postinst13:37
EriC^^for x in /etc/default/grub /etc/default/grub.d/*.cfg; do13:37
EriC^^    if [ -e "$x" ]; then13:37
EriC^^      . "$x"13:37
TJ-right, same thing, sourcing the content13:37
TJ-incorporates it into the script environment, then the functions later work from the various variables they find13:38
EriC^^ah there's something about merging13:38
EriC^^merge_debconf_into_conf "$tmp_default_grub" GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX grub2/linux_cmdline13:38
TJ-right, that's debconf stuff13:40
TJ-which is part of the dpkg --configure or dpkg-reconfigure code13:41
EriC^^it's in the postinst13:41
EriC^^so what was the fix? is it something to modify in kexec-tools.cfg?13:41
TJ-Yes, I added it as a comment to that bug13:46
BluesKajHiyas all15:34
pauljwHi everyone19:05
lotuspsychjegood evening to all20:09
pauljwhi lotuspsychje20:23
lotuspsychjehey pauljw20:23
lotuspsychjehow are you mate20:23
pauljwdoing well, you?20:24
lotuspsychjefine tnx20:24
ioriahi lotuspsychje ... it's all ok chez toi ? listening weird  things ....20:25
lotuspsychjeweird things ioria ?20:25
ioriain bruxelles ......20:25
lotuspsychjeim in the flemish part of belgium ioria20:26
lotuspsychjeioria: but lucky for you im tri-lingual :p20:26
lotuspsychjehey BluesKaj20:32
BluesKajhi lotuspsychje20:33
lotuspsychjeBluesKaj: ive been playing with unity8/mir on xenial20:33
lotuspsychjeBluesKaj: after install/logout/login to unity8 and use20:34
lotuspsychjeBluesKaj: looks like the ubuntu touch phone enlarged :p20:34
pauljwlotuspsychje: are touch capabilities incorporated for PC/Laptop installs20:42
lotuspsychjepauljw: looks like a unity-style ubuntu touch enlarged20:43
pauljwdo you like it?20:43
lotuspsychjepauljw: unity8 will be on 16.10 so it will change alot20:43
lotuspsychjepauljw: sure its fun20:44
lotuspsychjenite nite21:34
daftykinshey everyone o/22:19
OerHekshi daftykins22:19
Bashing-omdaftykins: Is back in the house. Attention on deck .. we have relief .22:22
daftykinsi've just been out doing some paid work until now as it goes, so i'm quite tired from my exploits22:22
daftykinsof all things, today i had the displeasure of rearranging someone's music collection in iTunes for Windows... >_<22:23
Bashing-omdaftykins: Oh, wow, do you pick the places to relax . :)22:23
daftykinsand earlier this evening, an AVG Internet Security product had stopped letting an elderly lady's PC from connecting to wireless networks due to the subscription having run out... !22:23
daftykinsnow i must throw some food in the oven :D22:24
daftykinsare we all well?22:24
OerHeksi am going to give the dogs their last walk for tonight, brb22:25
Bashing-omdaftykins: I wound up with a fairly descent box because of an AVG update ( user chose driver option , could not even boot a liveDVD ) .22:25
Bashing-omdaftykins: I am still trying to convince the_count that I do not know what I am doing .22:26
daftykinshave you been tempted to tell him to clean install?22:28
daftykinsi forget the original issue, something touchpad related?22:28
Bashing-omdaftykins: Yeah .. that clean install 'bout 2 weeks past . I do not mind spending the time learning where the translations happen between the hardware and the kernel. Always open to learning - particularly so at other's expense .22:37
daftykinsBashing-om: forgive me if this is something you had already done, but i remember that guy coming in with a synaptic driver that needed changing... it was the one i wrote up on my site, not sure if it'd apply to the_count? http://www.techblo.gg/?p=30122:39
Bashing-omdaftykins: Yeah, you have the right of it .. touchpad driver issue ( maybe ?) .. look'n on your blog .22:42
Bashing-omdaftykins: I had seen that option in bug reports, As I am shooting in the dark, sure - worth a shot .22:44
daftykinsi remember the one i linked was the touchpad worked, but the buttons beside it didn't... so it could be quite different22:46
pauljw time for dinner...  bbl.23:43

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