[00:02] <daftykins> weekend folks be crazy! :D
[00:03] <OerHeks> yeah, it must be getting colder
[00:03] <OerHeks> just seen that james bond movie ..
[00:42] <daftykins> OerHeks: what did you make of it?
[00:42] <OerHeks> of that bond movie ?
[00:42] <OerHeks> ... mwah.. it is not the bond i used to know when i was a kid, say 40 years ago
[00:43] <OerHeks> the story/plot was enough for a 55 minute soap
[00:43] <OerHeks> nice effects though.. all i miss was the music.
[00:44] <OerHeks> all bond movies were full of music, this one was 'dead'
[00:47] <daftykins> :(
[00:52] <daftykins> mmm, i don't really do the generic action films
[00:56] <OerHeks> well, my neighbour is bond fan, and a few months back, someone dumped his dvd collection when he moved out ( and other stuff), and got him the 7 first movies.
[00:56] <OerHeks> the other 200 dvd's i kept myself
[00:56] <OerHeks> :-D
[00:57] <OerHeks> still need a dvd player, else i need to put them on usb
[00:58] <daftykins> :O
[00:58] <daftykins> that's a lot of discs
[01:01] <OerHeks> i always take the curtainrails from those piles, when a newcomer arrives, i am the friendly neighbour that helped with expensive rails for free ( when i leave, i have to remove them too and fill the holes, crazy )
[01:02] <OerHeks> people trow away so much, we are filthy rich but do not know it.
[01:02] <OerHeks> pc's ..
[01:02] <daftykins> very true
[01:03] <daftykins> certainly when someone comes in having trouble with a rubbish netbook...
[01:04] <OerHeks> oh got one of those, not really worth to run anymore, single core, gma 450 poulsbo ..
[01:05] <daftykins> yeah, they were rubbish when new :D
[01:05] <daftykins> was all this stuff in a skip, then?
[01:05] <daftykins> not sure if that word translates well
[01:07] <OerHeks> 207 dvd's? yes
[01:07] <OerHeks> every month someone moves, 100 appartments in one building.
[01:08] <daftykins> ah har
[01:08] <daftykins> big high-rise tower thing?
[01:09] <OerHeks> no, l shape, one side 3 floors, and my site is 6 floors high, i live top floor
[01:10] <OerHeks> pretty view, and from the frontdoor i can see Schiphol airport
[01:11] <daftykins> ooh nice!
[01:11] <daftykins> i don't suppose you have any images of said view?
[01:12] <OerHeks> https://goo.gl/maps/qt9WFYhhyT22
[01:15] <OerHeks> no, no picture of schiphol, got one from early spring, say april https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6885560/bijnaGroen.JPG
[01:17] <OerHeks> only when the wind comes from the east, i can hear the planes starting and landing.. but still acceptable.
[01:19] <OerHeks> hehe Drabber loves flowers https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6885560/DrabberRuiktBloemetjes2014.JPG
[01:20] <daftykins> sorry just nipped downstairs to check on the cat :D
[01:21] <daftykins> ooh that's a nice bright snap :)
[01:21] <daftykins> i like all the little figures by the window
[01:21] <OerHeks> copper things, i used to collect them a lot.
[01:21] <OerHeks> or cupper, not sure
[01:24] <daftykins> copper yep for the shiny metal, mmm
[02:27] <pauljw> gnite all
[03:03] <daftykins> phew, i felt positively surrounded by them all just before
[03:15] <Bashing-om> daftykins: You wield the sword of truth so well.
[03:15] <daftykins> haha, i'm being mistaken for grumpy!
[03:17] <Bashing-om> some people do not take the cut well :))
[03:27] <daftykins> TJ-: aww you've been missing all the fun!
[03:27] <daftykins> have you found a time the crazies go away? :P
[03:27] <TJ-> morning :)
[03:28] <TJ-> Have you been stirring it up?
[03:30] <daftykins> that Victoria has been comment on my demeanour in front of the riff raff!
[03:30] <daftykins> *commenting
[05:44] <OerHeks> VictoriaXOXO is writing a book
[05:44] <OerHeks> or you are doing his schoolwork
[05:45] <TJ-> his?
[05:45] <TJ-> I thought it was a her from some gender based comments 'it' made a few daya ago
[05:46] <OerHeks> my solution was /etc/network/if-post-down.d/ >> http://askubuntu.com/questions/519920/how-to-run-an-up-script-using-network-manager-openvpn
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:22] <TJ-> breakie time, mmm
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> hey TJ-
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: found your duocam issue yet?
[06:23] <TJ-> Getting closer yes
[06:23] <TJ-> It turns out the reason UFocus isn't enabled is that the HTC Camera code makes calls to another, separate, HTC CustomiziationManager class from a separate package which is part of the 'Sense' framework. I should be able to reverse it sufficiently to create alternate placibo classes that give the answers the Camera code expects to hear
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> ic
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> ive been testing out unity8/mir on xenial yesterday
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> pretty fun :p
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> install/logout/choose mir/8 from login/use
[06:54] <TJ-> I cannot believe how much time that cimbakahn has wasted just making a decision!
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> pffft
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> its not ubuntu's website thats confusing, but he confuses himself lol
[06:55] <TJ-> Entered the channel 1 hour 10 minutes ago... amazing
[06:57] <TJ-> no wonder the lubuntu channel played dead when he was in there :)
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: i wish they would mention minimal is more expert: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall#Full_install.2C_minimal_install_or_core_install.3F
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> looool
[06:57] <TJ-> Well, it sounds like thats what this user wants, let him have it
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> alot of chans are really dead for sure :p
[06:57] <TJ-> sounds like OCD/micro-manager type
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> hahaha 15.04 minmal :p and let him encounter alot of issues
[06:58] <TJ-> OH GAWD, I need a stiff drink else I'll explode
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> lolz
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/wily/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> 40mb minimal lol
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> that would be a pain :p
[07:03] <TJ-> a few minutes until dawn so I'm going to take the dogs out
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> ok cheers TJ-
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> run them tired :p
[07:07] <TJ-> that's the plan, there's frost on the ground so shouldn't be too muddy
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> yeah getting colder here also
[09:58] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:59] <TJ-> hallooo
[09:59] <lordievader> Hey TJ-, how are you doing?
[10:00] <lordievader> Gotten your Android fixed?
[10:01] <TJ-> which bit was broken that you're thinking about? :S
[10:01] <lordievader> Yesterday you said: 21-10:48 < TJ-> fighting android decompiliation to hack a fix :)
[10:01] <TJ-> The M8 is fine with CM12.1 on now. What I'm tackling is enabling UFocus support
[10:02] <TJ-> yeah, was decompiling the HTC Camera apk to figure out what is missing for getting the application to use the 2nd camera to capture a depth map, so the UFocus will work
[10:03] <lordievader> That is all uncharted territory for me.
[10:03]  * lordievader is one of those persons who doesn't have a smart phone
[10:05] <TJ-> an apk is basically a Java JAR archive, but with all the Java class files compiled into a single 'classes.dex' Dalvik VM bytecode file, so had to do dex2jar and then decompile the jar (Java class files)
[10:07] <lordievader> I see, interesting.
[10:08] <TJ-> some methods in some class files weren't able to be decompiled, and they happened to be the ones I needed to see! Sorted it eventually, with an online service using the same libraries I was using, so I must have been doing something not quite the same
[10:10] <lordievader> Why weren't those able to be decompiled? Some missing dependency?
[10:11] <TJ-> no, something in the bytecode from the dex2jar output as far as I can tell. I used http://www.decompileandroid.com  and that worked. nice little project, that, too
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> good sunday to all
[10:18] <lordievader> https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-coders-worst-nightmare/answer/Mick-Stute?srid=RBKZ&amp;share=1
[10:18] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader and cfhowlett
[10:19] <cfhowlett> hideeho lotuspsychje
[10:25] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: too complicated for a sundaymorning :p
[10:26] <lordievader> It ain't that hard is it? It comes down to the ex-grad student poisoning the compiler that if it saw its own project it would rewrite the source and compile that instead.
[10:28] <TJ-> I'm amazed this so-called consultant didn't inspect the executable code; that would always be my first step when something 'strange' is happening :D
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[13:07] <EriC^^> TJ-: i'm pretty sure there's a bug involving kernels and grub or so, wondering about it
[13:07] <EriC^^> this is my grub kernel line in /etc/default/grub
[13:07] <EriC^^> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="splash quiet crashkernel=384M-:128M crashkernel=384M-:128M crashkernel=384M-:128M crashkernel=384M-:128M crashkernel=384M-:128M"
[13:07] <EriC^^> keeps adding that same parameter i guess
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> ive recently made a 15.10 iso then got error on boot, and had to press TAB and manual enter liveinstall to be able to boo the usb
[13:07] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> this related?
[13:08] <TJ-> EriC^^: oh, in the linux-image postinst script?
[13:08] <EriC^^> TJ-: i guess so
[13:09] <TJ-> EriC^^: which release is that?
[13:09] <EriC^^> 14.04
[13:10] <TJ-> EriC^^: oh, strange! didn't think 14.04 used the crashkernel setting. Which kernel version is latest? one of the HWE varieties?
[13:10] <EriC^^> there's this line in /etc/default/grub.d/kexec-tools.cfg
[13:10] <EriC^^> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="$GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT crashkernel=384M-:128M"
[13:11] <EriC^^> not sure if it's related
[13:11] <TJ-> oh, kexec-tools
[13:11] <EriC^^> looks like it takes the last one and adds that?
[13:15] <TJ-> EriC^^: right, it's doing a simple concatenation every time grub-mkconfig is called by update-grub
[13:16] <TJ-> bug 1318111
[13:16] <EriC^^> hmm i tried to update-grub it's still not adding it
[13:17] <EriC^^> oh ok, must be when i grub-install
[13:17] <TJ-> no, the code in grub-mkconfig calls it
[13:17] <TJ-> for x in ${sysconfdir}/default/grub.d/*.cfg ; do
[13:17] <EriC^^> it's not adding it though
[13:17] <EriC^^> yeah but it doesn't touch /etc/default/grub though right? just makes grub.cfg?
[13:18] <TJ-> EriC^^: it 'sources' /etc/default/grub and /etc/default/grub.d/*
[13:18] <EriC^^> odd it's still just 5, i tried to grub-install
[13:18] <EriC^^> maybe it was fixed or something
[13:18] <EriC^^> TJ-: yeah, the line is being added to /etc/default/grub
[13:19] <TJ-> It shouldn't be added to /etc/default/grub
[13:19] <EriC^^> let me try reinstalling kexec-tools
[13:20] <EriC^^> nope still just 5
[13:20] <TJ-> update-grub sources /etc/default/grub and then /etc/default/grub.d/* so anything in the later will be added/replace to anything in the former
[13:20] <TJ-> EriC^^: Try "bash -x /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig" to see what the script does
[13:21] <EriC^^> TJ-: yeah, but added to grub.cfg , not /etc/default/grub right?
[13:21] <EriC^^> how's it getting added to /etc/default/grub though
[13:21] <TJ-> EriC^^: whatever grub-mkconfig generates is redirected to /boot/grub/grub.cfg by update-grub script
[13:21] <TJ-> EriC^^: not from those scripts
[13:22] <EriC^^> yeah, let me try to reinstall grub package
[13:22] <EriC^^> nope
[13:24] <EriC^^> TJ-: ok i found it
[13:24] <EriC^^> when i installed grub-efi-amd64 it added a 6th one
[13:24] <EriC^^> while installing the package it said
[13:24] <EriC^^> Replacing config file /etc/default/grub with new version
[13:24] <EriC^^> then /etc/default/grub had an extra kernel parameter
[13:28] <EriC^^> TJ-: oh i see, so /etc/default/grub.d is used to generate changes in /etc/default/grub
[13:29] <EriC^^> and update-grub triggers just /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d to make grub.cfg as usual
[13:30] <TJ-> EriC^^: no, it shouldn't, unless the content of yours is different to mine
[13:30] <EriC^^> shouldn't what?
[13:31] <TJ-> shouldn't change /etc/default/grub
[13:31] <TJ-> /etc/default/grub.d/kexec-tools.cfg should just have:
[13:31] <EriC^^> it makes sense, there's /etc/grub.d to build grub.cfg
[13:31] <TJ-> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="$GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT crashkernel=384M-:128M"
[13:31] <EriC^^> and /etc/default/grub.d to build /etc/default/grub
[13:31] <TJ-> No, it doesn't build it, both files are sourced into the grub-mkconfig environment
[13:31] <TJ-> I've posted a fix to that bug report, anyhow
[13:33] <EriC^^> i modified the kexec-tools.cfg and while installing it asks whether to merge with /etc/default/grub or what
[13:33] <TJ-> can you pastebin that, because there's no such questions in the grub-mkconfig script
[13:34] <EriC^^> it's before grub-mkconfig
[13:34] <EriC^^> Replacing config file /etc/default/grub with new version
[13:34] <EriC^^> Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
[13:34] <EriC^^> Installation finished. No error reported.
[13:34] <EriC^^> Generating grub configuration file ...
[13:34] <EriC^^> then it's calling grub-mkconfig
[13:35] <TJ-> That's the package post-inst script then, not from calling update-grub
[13:35] <TJ-> update-grub calls grub-mkconfig which does: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13444873/
[13:37] <EriC^^> this is in the .postinst
[13:37] <EriC^^> for x in /etc/default/grub /etc/default/grub.d/*.cfg; do
[13:37] <EriC^^>     if [ -e "$x" ]; then
[13:37] <EriC^^>       . "$x"
[13:37] <TJ-> right, same thing, sourcing the content
[13:37] <EriC^^> yeah
[13:38] <TJ-> incorporates it into the script environment, then the functions later work from the various variables they find
[13:38] <EriC^^> ah there's something about merging
[13:38] <EriC^^> merge_debconf_into_conf "$tmp_default_grub" GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX grub2/linux_cmdline
[13:40] <TJ-> right, that's debconf stuff
[13:41] <TJ-> which is part of the dpkg --configure or dpkg-reconfigure code
[13:41] <EriC^^> it's in the postinst
[13:41] <EriC^^> so what was the fix? is it something to modify in kexec-tools.cfg?
[13:46] <TJ-> Yes, I added it as a comment to that bug
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[15:34] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[19:05] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[20:09] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[20:23] <pauljw> hi lotuspsychje
[20:23] <lotuspsychje> hey pauljw
[20:23] <lotuspsychje> how are you mate
[20:24] <pauljw> doing well, you?
[20:24] <lotuspsychje> fine tnx
[20:25] <ioria> hi lotuspsychje ... it's all ok chez toi ? listening weird  things ....
[20:25] <lotuspsychje> weird things ioria ?
[20:25] <ioria> in bruxelles ......
[20:26] <lotuspsychje> ahhh
[20:26] <lotuspsychje> im in the flemish part of belgium ioria
[20:26] <ioria> ok.....
[20:26] <lotuspsychje> ioria: but lucky for you im tri-lingual :p
[20:26] <ioria> ^_^
[20:32] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[20:33] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[20:33] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: ive been playing with unity8/mir on xenial
[20:34] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: after install/logout/login to unity8 and use
[20:34] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: looks like the ubuntu touch phone enlarged :p
[20:42] <pauljw> lotuspsychje: are touch capabilities incorporated for PC/Laptop installs
[20:43] <lotuspsychje> pauljw: looks like a unity-style ubuntu touch enlarged
[20:43] <pauljw> do you like it?
[20:43] <lotuspsychje> pauljw: unity8 will be on 16.10 so it will change alot
[20:44] <lotuspsychje> pauljw: sure its fun
[20:44] <pauljw> sure
[20:44] <pauljw> :)
[21:34] <lotuspsychje> nite nite
[22:19] <daftykins> hey everyone o/
[22:19] <OerHeks> hi daftykins
[22:22] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Is back in the house. Attention on deck .. we have relief .
[22:22] <daftykins> hahaha
[22:22] <daftykins> i've just been out doing some paid work until now as it goes, so i'm quite tired from my exploits
[22:23] <daftykins> of all things, today i had the displeasure of rearranging someone's music collection in iTunes for Windows... >_<
[22:23] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Oh, wow, do you pick the places to relax . :)
[22:23] <daftykins> and earlier this evening, an AVG Internet Security product had stopped letting an elderly lady's PC from connecting to wireless networks due to the subscription having run out... !
[22:23] <daftykins> lol
[22:24] <daftykins> now i must throw some food in the oven :D
[22:24] <daftykins> are we all well?
[22:25] <OerHeks> i am going to give the dogs their last walk for tonight, brb
[22:25] <Bashing-om> daftykins: I wound up with a fairly descent box because of an AVG update ( user chose driver option , could not even boot a liveDVD ) .
[22:26] <Bashing-om> daftykins: I am still trying to convince the_count that I do not know what I am doing .
[22:27] <daftykins> lol
[22:28] <daftykins> have you been tempted to tell him to clean install?
[22:28] <daftykins> i forget the original issue, something touchpad related?
[22:37] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Yeah .. that clean install 'bout 2 weeks past . I do not mind spending the time learning where the translations happen between the hardware and the kernel. Always open to learning - particularly so at other's expense .
[22:38] <daftykins> :D
[22:39] <daftykins> Bashing-om: forgive me if this is something you had already done, but i remember that guy coming in with a synaptic driver that needed changing... it was the one i wrote up on my site, not sure if it'd apply to the_count? http://www.techblo.gg/?p=301
[22:42] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Yeah, you have the right of it .. touchpad driver issue ( maybe ?) .. look'n on your blog .
[22:44] <Bashing-om> daftykins: I had seen that option in bug reports, As I am shooting in the dark, sure - worth a shot .
[22:46] <daftykins> i remember the one i linked was the touchpad worked, but the buttons beside it didn't... so it could be quite different
[23:43] <pauljw>  time for dinner...  bbl.