[00:02] weekend folks be crazy! :D [00:03] yeah, it must be getting colder [00:03] just seen that james bond movie .. [00:42] OerHeks: what did you make of it? [00:42] of that bond movie ? [00:42] ... mwah.. it is not the bond i used to know when i was a kid, say 40 years ago [00:43] the story/plot was enough for a 55 minute soap [00:43] nice effects though.. all i miss was the music. [00:44] all bond movies were full of music, this one was 'dead' [00:47] :( [00:52] mmm, i don't really do the generic action films [00:56] well, my neighbour is bond fan, and a few months back, someone dumped his dvd collection when he moved out ( and other stuff), and got him the 7 first movies. [00:56] the other 200 dvd's i kept myself [00:56] :-D [00:57] still need a dvd player, else i need to put them on usb [00:58] :O [00:58] that's a lot of discs [01:01] i always take the curtainrails from those piles, when a newcomer arrives, i am the friendly neighbour that helped with expensive rails for free ( when i leave, i have to remove them too and fill the holes, crazy ) [01:02] people trow away so much, we are filthy rich but do not know it. [01:02] pc's .. [01:02] very true [01:03] certainly when someone comes in having trouble with a rubbish netbook... [01:04] oh got one of those, not really worth to run anymore, single core, gma 450 poulsbo .. [01:05] yeah, they were rubbish when new :D [01:05] was all this stuff in a skip, then? [01:05] not sure if that word translates well [01:07] 207 dvd's? yes [01:07] every month someone moves, 100 appartments in one building. [01:08] ah har [01:08] big high-rise tower thing? [01:09] no, l shape, one side 3 floors, and my site is 6 floors high, i live top floor [01:10] pretty view, and from the frontdoor i can see Schiphol airport [01:11] ooh nice! [01:11] i don't suppose you have any images of said view? [01:12] https://goo.gl/maps/qt9WFYhhyT22 [01:15] no, no picture of schiphol, got one from early spring, say april https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6885560/bijnaGroen.JPG [01:17] only when the wind comes from the east, i can hear the planes starting and landing.. but still acceptable. [01:19] hehe Drabber loves flowers https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6885560/DrabberRuiktBloemetjes2014.JPG [01:20] sorry just nipped downstairs to check on the cat :D [01:21] ooh that's a nice bright snap :) [01:21] i like all the little figures by the window [01:21] copper things, i used to collect them a lot. [01:21] or cupper, not sure [01:24] copper yep for the shiny metal, mmm [02:27] gnite all [03:03] phew, i felt positively surrounded by them all just before [03:15] daftykins: You wield the sword of truth so well. [03:15] haha, i'm being mistaken for grumpy! [03:17] some people do not take the cut well :)) [03:27] TJ-: aww you've been missing all the fun! [03:27] have you found a time the crazies go away? :P [03:27] morning :) [03:28] Have you been stirring it up? [03:30] that Victoria has been comment on my demeanour in front of the riff raff! [03:30] *commenting [05:44] VictoriaXOXO is writing a book [05:44] or you are doing his schoolwork [05:45] his? [05:45] I thought it was a her from some gender based comments 'it' made a few daya ago [05:46] my solution was /etc/network/if-post-down.d/ >> http://askubuntu.com/questions/519920/how-to-run-an-up-script-using-network-manager-openvpn === Metacity|uh-oh is now known as Metacity [06:21] good morning to all [06:22] breakie time, mmm [06:22] hey TJ- [06:22] TJ-: found your duocam issue yet? [06:23] Getting closer yes [06:23] It turns out the reason UFocus isn't enabled is that the HTC Camera code makes calls to another, separate, HTC CustomiziationManager class from a separate package which is part of the 'Sense' framework. I should be able to reverse it sufficiently to create alternate placibo classes that give the answers the Camera code expects to hear [06:25] ic [06:25] ive been testing out unity8/mir on xenial yesterday [06:25] pretty fun :p [06:27] install/logout/choose mir/8 from login/use [06:54] I cannot believe how much time that cimbakahn has wasted just making a decision! [06:54] pffft [06:54] its not ubuntu's website thats confusing, but he confuses himself lol [06:55] Entered the channel 1 hour 10 minutes ago... amazing [06:57] no wonder the lubuntu channel played dead when he was in there :) [06:57] TJ-: i wish they would mention minimal is more expert: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall#Full_install.2C_minimal_install_or_core_install.3F [06:57] looool [06:57] Well, it sounds like thats what this user wants, let him have it [06:57] alot of chans are really dead for sure :p [06:57] sounds like OCD/micro-manager type [06:58] hahaha 15.04 minmal :p and let him encounter alot of issues [06:58] OH GAWD, I need a stiff drink else I'll explode [06:59] lolz [07:01] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/wily/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso [07:01] 40mb minimal lol [07:01] that would be a pain :p [07:03] a few minutes until dawn so I'm going to take the dogs out [07:04] ok cheers TJ- [07:04] run them tired :p [07:07] that's the plan, there's frost on the ground so shouldn't be too muddy [07:07] yeah getting colder here also [09:58] Good morning. [09:59] hallooo [09:59] Hey TJ-, how are you doing? [10:00] Gotten your Android fixed? [10:01] which bit was broken that you're thinking about? :S [10:01] Yesterday you said: 21-10:48 < TJ-> fighting android decompiliation to hack a fix :) [10:01] The M8 is fine with CM12.1 on now. What I'm tackling is enabling UFocus support [10:02] yeah, was decompiling the HTC Camera apk to figure out what is missing for getting the application to use the 2nd camera to capture a depth map, so the UFocus will work [10:03] That is all uncharted territory for me. [10:03] * lordievader is one of those persons who doesn't have a smart phone [10:05] an apk is basically a Java JAR archive, but with all the Java class files compiled into a single 'classes.dex' Dalvik VM bytecode file, so had to do dex2jar and then decompile the jar (Java class files) [10:07] I see, interesting. [10:08] some methods in some class files weren't able to be decompiled, and they happened to be the ones I needed to see! Sorted it eventually, with an online service using the same libraries I was using, so I must have been doing something not quite the same [10:10] Why weren't those able to be decompiled? Some missing dependency? [10:11] no, something in the bytecode from the dex2jar output as far as I can tell. I used http://www.decompileandroid.com and that worked. nice little project, that, too [10:17] good sunday to all [10:18] https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-coders-worst-nightmare/answer/Mick-Stute?srid=RBKZ&share=1 [10:18] Hey lotuspsychje [10:19] hey lordievader and cfhowlett [10:19] hideeho lotuspsychje [10:25] lordievader: too complicated for a sundaymorning :p [10:26] It ain't that hard is it? It comes down to the ex-grad student poisoning the compiler that if it saw its own project it would rewrite the source and compile that instead. [10:28] I'm amazed this so-called consultant didn't inspect the executable code; that would always be my first step when something 'strange' is happening :D [13:07] hey EriC^^ [13:07] TJ-: i'm pretty sure there's a bug involving kernels and grub or so, wondering about it [13:07] this is my grub kernel line in /etc/default/grub [13:07] GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="splash quiet crashkernel=384M-:128M crashkernel=384M-:128M crashkernel=384M-:128M crashkernel=384M-:128M crashkernel=384M-:128M" [13:07] keeps adding that same parameter i guess [13:07] ive recently made a 15.10 iso then got error on boot, and had to press TAB and manual enter liveinstall to be able to boo the usb [13:07] hey lotuspsychje [13:07] this related? [13:08] EriC^^: oh, in the linux-image postinst script? [13:08] TJ-: i guess so [13:09] EriC^^: which release is that? [13:09] 14.04 [13:10] EriC^^: oh, strange! didn't think 14.04 used the crashkernel setting. Which kernel version is latest? one of the HWE varieties? [13:10] there's this line in /etc/default/grub.d/kexec-tools.cfg [13:10] GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="$GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT crashkernel=384M-:128M" [13:11] not sure if it's related [13:11] oh, kexec-tools [13:11] looks like it takes the last one and adds that? [13:15] EriC^^: right, it's doing a simple concatenation every time grub-mkconfig is called by update-grub [13:16] bug 1318111 [13:16] bug 1318111 in kexec-tools (Ubuntu) "Adds more and more copies of ‘crashkernel=384M-:128M’ in /etc/default/grub when upgrading or reinstalling grub-pc" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1318111 [13:16] hmm i tried to update-grub it's still not adding it [13:17] oh ok, must be when i grub-install [13:17] no, the code in grub-mkconfig calls it [13:17] for x in ${sysconfdir}/default/grub.d/*.cfg ; do [13:17] it's not adding it though [13:17] yeah but it doesn't touch /etc/default/grub though right? just makes grub.cfg? [13:18] EriC^^: it 'sources' /etc/default/grub and /etc/default/grub.d/* [13:18] odd it's still just 5, i tried to grub-install [13:18] maybe it was fixed or something [13:18] TJ-: yeah, the line is being added to /etc/default/grub [13:19] It shouldn't be added to /etc/default/grub [13:19] let me try reinstalling kexec-tools [13:20] nope still just 5 [13:20] update-grub sources /etc/default/grub and then /etc/default/grub.d/* so anything in the later will be added/replace to anything in the former [13:20] EriC^^: Try "bash -x /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig" to see what the script does [13:21] TJ-: yeah, but added to grub.cfg , not /etc/default/grub right? [13:21] how's it getting added to /etc/default/grub though [13:21] EriC^^: whatever grub-mkconfig generates is redirected to /boot/grub/grub.cfg by update-grub script [13:21] EriC^^: not from those scripts [13:22] yeah, let me try to reinstall grub package [13:22] nope [13:24] TJ-: ok i found it [13:24] when i installed grub-efi-amd64 it added a 6th one [13:24] while installing the package it said [13:24] Replacing config file /etc/default/grub with new version [13:24] then /etc/default/grub had an extra kernel parameter [13:28] TJ-: oh i see, so /etc/default/grub.d is used to generate changes in /etc/default/grub [13:29] and update-grub triggers just /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d to make grub.cfg as usual [13:30] EriC^^: no, it shouldn't, unless the content of yours is different to mine [13:30] shouldn't what? [13:31] shouldn't change /etc/default/grub [13:31] /etc/default/grub.d/kexec-tools.cfg should just have: [13:31] it makes sense, there's /etc/grub.d to build grub.cfg [13:31] GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="$GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT crashkernel=384M-:128M" [13:31] and /etc/default/grub.d to build /etc/default/grub [13:31] No, it doesn't build it, both files are sourced into the grub-mkconfig environment [13:31] I've posted a fix to that bug report, anyhow [13:33] i modified the kexec-tools.cfg and while installing it asks whether to merge with /etc/default/grub or what [13:33] can you pastebin that, because there's no such questions in the grub-mkconfig script [13:34] it's before grub-mkconfig [13:34] Replacing config file /etc/default/grub with new version [13:34] Installing for x86_64-efi platform. [13:34] Installation finished. No error reported. [13:34] Generating grub configuration file ... [13:34] then it's calling grub-mkconfig [13:35] That's the package post-inst script then, not from calling update-grub [13:35] update-grub calls grub-mkconfig which does: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13444873/ [13:37] this is in the .postinst [13:37] for x in /etc/default/grub /etc/default/grub.d/*.cfg; do [13:37] if [ -e "$x" ]; then [13:37] . "$x" [13:37] right, same thing, sourcing the content [13:37] yeah [13:38] incorporates it into the script environment, then the functions later work from the various variables they find [13:38] ah there's something about merging [13:38] merge_debconf_into_conf "$tmp_default_grub" GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX grub2/linux_cmdline [13:40] right, that's debconf stuff [13:41] which is part of the dpkg --configure or dpkg-reconfigure code [13:41] it's in the postinst [13:41] so what was the fix? is it something to modify in kexec-tools.cfg? [13:46] Yes, I added it as a comment to that bug [14:18] bbl [15:34] Hiyas all [19:05] Hi everyone [20:09] good evening to all [20:23] hi lotuspsychje [20:23] hey pauljw [20:23] how are you mate [20:24] doing well, you? [20:24] fine tnx [20:25] hi lotuspsychje ... it's all ok chez toi ? listening weird things .... [20:25] weird things ioria ? [20:25] in bruxelles ...... [20:26] ahhh [20:26] im in the flemish part of belgium ioria [20:26] ok..... [20:26] ioria: but lucky for you im tri-lingual :p [20:26] ^_^ [20:32] hey BluesKaj [20:33] hi lotuspsychje [20:33] BluesKaj: ive been playing with unity8/mir on xenial [20:34] BluesKaj: after install/logout/login to unity8 and use [20:34] BluesKaj: looks like the ubuntu touch phone enlarged :p [20:42] lotuspsychje: are touch capabilities incorporated for PC/Laptop installs [20:43] pauljw: looks like a unity-style ubuntu touch enlarged [20:43] do you like it? [20:43] pauljw: unity8 will be on 16.10 so it will change alot [20:44] pauljw: sure its fun [20:44] sure [20:44] :) [21:34] nite nite [22:19] hey everyone o/ [22:19] hi daftykins [22:22] daftykins: Is back in the house. Attention on deck .. we have relief . [22:22] hahaha [22:22] i've just been out doing some paid work until now as it goes, so i'm quite tired from my exploits [22:23] of all things, today i had the displeasure of rearranging someone's music collection in iTunes for Windows... >_< [22:23] daftykins: Oh, wow, do you pick the places to relax . :) [22:23] and earlier this evening, an AVG Internet Security product had stopped letting an elderly lady's PC from connecting to wireless networks due to the subscription having run out... ! [22:23] lol [22:24] now i must throw some food in the oven :D [22:24] are we all well? [22:25] i am going to give the dogs their last walk for tonight, brb [22:25] daftykins: I wound up with a fairly descent box because of an AVG update ( user chose driver option , could not even boot a liveDVD ) . [22:26] daftykins: I am still trying to convince the_count that I do not know what I am doing . [22:27] lol [22:28] have you been tempted to tell him to clean install? [22:28] i forget the original issue, something touchpad related? [22:37] daftykins: Yeah .. that clean install 'bout 2 weeks past . I do not mind spending the time learning where the translations happen between the hardware and the kernel. Always open to learning - particularly so at other's expense . [22:38] :D [22:39] Bashing-om: forgive me if this is something you had already done, but i remember that guy coming in with a synaptic driver that needed changing... it was the one i wrote up on my site, not sure if it'd apply to the_count? http://www.techblo.gg/?p=301 [22:42] daftykins: Yeah, you have the right of it .. touchpad driver issue ( maybe ?) .. look'n on your blog . [22:44] daftykins: I had seen that option in bug reports, As I am shooting in the dark, sure - worth a shot . [22:46] i remember the one i linked was the touchpad worked, but the buttons beside it didn't... so it could be quite different [23:43] time for dinner... bbl.