[04:10] <d^_^b_> hellooooooooo
[10:00] <lupet> Hi, if installation of ubuntu touch failed to enter in recovery mode how is possible install?
[10:30] <mcphail> Is anyone else finding OTA8 really buggy? I've seen high battery drain and a couple of episodes of "demonic possession" where unity8 appears to be receiving repeated screen presses from an invisible finger. Didn't see this on OTA7
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: wich device mate?
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> pretty stable on bq 4.5 here mcphail
[10:32] <mcphail> yes - bq4.5
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[10:33] <mcphail> just had my phone dialer repeatedly dial 6's and 9's, hence the "demonic" bit
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: try a tail -f /var/log/syslog perhaps
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> see whats going on?
[10:34] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: nothing was noted. Seems like the system thought it was receiving normal input
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: or if nothing works, reset phone to defaults?
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> i had scope freezes on ota7
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> got fixxed on ota8 now
[10:34] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: I might need to reflash OTA7 if this persists
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: i would reflash to ota8
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> can do miracles sometimes
[10:36] <mcphail> maybe. I'm not a believer in "bad flashes". I think this is a genuine problem as someone else poster here about bad battery drain
[10:36] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: how much time your battery flows?
[10:36] <mcphail> perhaps some input event is getting stuck and looping
[10:36] <lotuspsychje> ill keep an eye on it
[10:37] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: about 80% loss over the working day, rather than 20--30% as per OTA7
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> wow
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: heavy use? movie watching?
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> maybe related to specific apps?
[10:37] <mcphail> sitting idle in my pocket bar one 10 minute call
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> thats extreme mate
[10:39] <popey> mcphail, my e4.5 has dropped from 100 to 77% in 20 hours
[10:39] <popey> it's doing nothing but getting notifications
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> popey: yeah i think pretty stable for me like that also
[10:40] <mcphail> popey: aah. Adds weight to the theory that an input event is looping
[10:40] <popey> my rc-proposed one is 97% since being 100% at 4pm yesterday
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> nexus7 also stable on devel-proposed here
[10:41] <mcphail> I'll give it a couple of days and see if it calms down
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: i would try ota8 reflash to defaults
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> see if it persists
[10:42] <mcphail> I can't risk a flash for a couple of days as I'm on call. Might reflash after that
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> ok
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: /var/log/dmesg show anything usefull?
[10:53] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: I haven't seen anything. But I haven't been able to get a terminal open during an "event" as I can't switch away from the foregrounded app and have to reboot
[10:53] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: checking logs post-hoc hasn't shown anything
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> ok
[10:54] <mcphail> If it happens in the house today I might be able to hook it up via adb and see
[10:56] <mcphail> Other possibility might be a hardware failure, so OTA8 might be coincidental
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2302873
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> they dont mention ota8 though..
[10:58] <mcphail> I had one episode of (fairly) quick battery drain on OTA7, but none of the other symptoms
[10:59]  * mcphail will give it a couple of days
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> ok good luck mcphail
[11:00] <mcphail> cheers lotuspsychje
[13:21] <jkb_> hi
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> welcome
[13:22] <jkb_> i have a questino to uitk-1,3 and backward compatibility. Can anybody help on this?
[13:23] <jkb_> since when have 1.3 supported (OTA-7 or 8)? For a specific app I want to change to 1.3 but what will happen to users not on the latest OTA?
[13:46] <peat-psuwit> Anyone with supported device, could you please give me content of /var/lib/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.state after 1.)Turning off Wi-Fi 2.)Turning on Wi-Fi
[14:20] <bony> is it possible to run jar files in ubuntu phone? I am looking for running some small applications on a ubuntu tablet kind of games.
[14:57] <popey> peat-psuwit, i just tried to do that over ssh :)
[14:58] <peat-psuwit> popey: LOL. Bad luck, then.
[14:59] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-11-22-145915.png
[14:59] <popey> thats network on->off->on
[15:32] <drooly> hello, silly noob question from a long-time linux user: is it possible to update, upgrade and install software on ubuntu phone just like on any other ubuntu install? does it follow ubuntu release cycles?
[15:33] <peat-psuwit> popey: Thank you for that. On my phone (LG L90), WirelessEnabled doesn't turns to true when I re-enabled Wi-Fi. Maybe it's because Wi-Fi on-off doesn't work on my phone yet.
[16:00] <k1l_> drooly: no. not really.
[16:01] <k1l_> as long as there is no real convergance i dont want dekstop-programs on my phone since they are a pain to handle with finger input.
[16:20] <drooly> k1l_, i understand that. but what about literally "is it possible without breaking my system"? and what about command-line utilities, are those the same builds as on desktop? and, most importantly, is ubuntu phone designed to be continuously (if not endlessly) updated&graded? like, good'ol sudo apt-get update?
[16:48] <popey> drooly, you can drop various command line utils on the phone, sure.
[16:48] <popey> i put mine in ~/bin/
[16:52] <drooly> popey, thanks for that, but it doesn't really answer my question: is ubuntu phone designed to be updated/graded just like a normal ubuntu installation?
[16:52] <popey> no
[16:52] <popey> OTA updates are delivered as read-only images - and diffs
[16:53] <popey> you _can_ make your phone read-write and use apt, but if it breaks (it shouldn't, but it is possible) then you may have to re-flash it
[16:55] <drooly> okay, wow, i guess i have to read up on what OTA means.
[16:55] <popey> Over The Air
[16:55] <popey> system updates basically
[16:56] <drooly> how does that differ from how ubuntu desktop handles things?
[16:56] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-11-19-202731.png
[16:56] <popey> like that
[16:56] <popey> well, desktop uses apt
[16:56] <popey> this doesnt
[16:57] <popey> we build the image using apt, dpkg etc, but the update that goes out to devices is just a big fat binary diff between previous update and next
[16:57] <popey> so as you see in that screenshot, 68MB update between two updates (6 weeks apart)
[16:58] <drooly> ok, i see. what if i install some app that is not installed by default, how (if) will it be included in subsequent updates? and do those ota updates reflect what is going on on ubuntu desktop? because convergence?
[16:58] <popey> System updates are separate from apps.
[16:59] <popey> Apps are delivered as click packages, which can be thought of as like .apk files on android, self contained
[16:59] <popey> so in that screenshot you'd see your apps that you've installed listed beneath the system update, but all in one screen
[17:00] <popey> There's a lot of commonality between desktop and phone - e.g. stuff like dbus, systemd, network manager etc
[17:00] <popey> but there's (currently) some differences
[17:00] <popey> desktop = X, compiz, Unity, LibreOffice.
[17:00] <popey> Phone = Mir, Unity 8, confined applications
[17:01] <popey> If you install something by making the phone read/write and use apt, then it's not really defined what happens, but typically things can get a little messy
[17:02] <drooly> what if i restrict that to non-gui apps?
[17:02] <popey> depends how / where you install them
[17:02] <popey> if you put them in ~/bin then they won't be touched by the system updates
[17:02] <popey> same if you put them somewhere in /opt
[17:04] <drooly> i'm beginning to understand. it's not as straightforward as i'd hoped. i'm a little afraid to run into the same sort of difficulties (impossibilities even) one tends to run into with linux apps on android. to make it clearer, i was thinking of mosh & sshfs to make my server content available on the phone.
[17:06] <popey> There is a terminal in the store, not installed by default, but easily installable.
[17:06] <popey> I haven't tried mosh, but we ship ssh client out of the box
[17:06] <popey> not tried sshfs
[17:06] <popey> It's very different to android, _way_ easier to run linux apps
[17:07] <popey> e.g. I often build linux apps directly on my nexus 7 and copy the resulting binaries to my phone
[17:07] <drooly> both have ubuntu installed?
[17:08] <popey> yes
[17:08] <popey> I even do stupid stuff like run dosbox on my phone
[17:08] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-11-18-203822.png
[17:08] <popey> :)
[17:09] <drooly> makes sense.
[17:09] <drooly> what about android apps? ... now i'm just asking out of curiosity
[17:10] <popey> The Ubuntu phone doesn't ship with dalvik runtime
[17:10] <popey> We don't (currently, maybe not ever) support android apps
[17:11] <drooly> ok, that's cool (i just thought that that's maybe the very first question many people ask... :-)
[17:11] <popey> We get that a lot
[17:12] <popey> FAQs:- 1) can I run android apps, 2) can I run whatsapp
[17:12] <popey> near-daily
[17:12] <drooly> in any case, you helped me a lot. i will copy this to a file :D now i know quite a lot more what to look for and what not to look for.
[17:13] <popey> there's some more useful info I can find, one moment...
[17:14] <popey> https://www.gitbook.com/book/gurucubano/bq-aquaris-e-4-5-ubuntu-phone/details
[17:14] <popey> lots of technical info in there
[17:15] <drooly> bookmarked. i think i'll go for the e5 though; unless some generous soul will help me buy the meizu.
[17:18] <popey> i saw someone mention that bq have an 'outlet' for refurb devices
[17:18] <popey> so you could potentially get one of them a bit cheaper
[17:21] <drooly> i'm looking at store.bq.com but cannot find that anywhere.
[17:24] <popey> http://store.bq.com/es/ubuntu-edition-e-4-5-outlet
[17:24] <popey> maybe contact them, they're quite responsive.
[17:25] <ludo2> Hi!
[17:27] <d^_^b_> hello
[17:27] <drooly> thanks. i'm quite set on not buying the e4.5, and i cannot find that offer for the e5...
[17:27] <ludo2> I'm tryin' to do that: http://forum.xda-developers.com/meizu-mx/general/meizu-mx4-how-to-flash-ubuntu-touch-t3210039
[17:27] <drooly> you wouldn't happen to know if ubuntu phone would work on the bq e5 4G, too?
[17:28] <drooly> http://store.bq.com/es/aquaris-e5-4-g
[17:28] <ludo2> But X don't understand the first step:
[17:29] <ludo2> Exactly this part: WHEN POPUP UPGRADE THE DRIVER OF THIS UNKNOWN DEVICE (FASTY) FROM THE FOLDER "Drivers Hard Reset"
[17:29] <d^_^b_> does it works --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/p3100 thanks
[17:30] <ludo2> When I give the path, Window$ say me there is no good driver.
[17:30] <ludo2> :-(
[17:30] <ludo2> Any idea?
[17:35] <d^_^b_> why do a chan if no one answer?
[17:36] <k1l_> ludo2: best to ask in that channel what exactly they mean and if there are known problems with that.
[17:38] <ludo2> I try to flash my meizu MX4.
[17:41] <ludo2> k1l_: Because of a problem when using ubuntu-device-flash . My phone doesn't expose adb.
[17:42] <ludo2> In this video, the author explain he had the same problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5fhoHL-mR4
[17:43] <k1l_> if its a ubuntu system run "sudo update-usbids" to make sure to have the latest usbids database
[17:48] <ludo2> But, softs that are used in this tutorial are on Windows.
[17:49] <ludo2> If there is a way to do that with GNU/Linux system, I'd prefered. But I didn't see softs to do that.
[17:51] <k1l_> ludo2: i think you better ask your question in that xda thread. i dont know about that sort of software that is used there
[17:52] <ludo2> Me too. :-)
[17:52] <popey> drooly, I don't, but doubt it
[17:59] <drooly> popey: 'k, thanks'n'bye.
[17:59] <popey> o/
[18:25] <k1l_> the BQ e4.5 got a open bootloader, right?
[18:26] <k1l_> iirc you can flash between ubuntu-touch and android. or do they both just have signed kernels?
[18:31] <mac_> trying to port ubuntu touch over android. ramdisk/script/touch I get stuck at "mount -o bind ${rootmnt}/run/image.fstab $FSTAB || panic "drop to adb""
[18:31] <mac_> what does this line mean?
[18:32] <mac_> While booting I reboot after a minute and look at the last kmsg. I have added additional debugging lines to find out where am I stuck at.
[18:33] <mac_> this is the last code it executes and doesnt move any further "mount -o bind ${rootmnt}/run/image.fstab $FSTAB || panic "drop to adb"
[18:44] <popey> k1l_, our friend studio_ flips between android and ubuntu on his bq
[18:45] <k1l_> yeah i know. but is the bootloader open (as to boot any kernel) or is ubuntu using a signed kernel.
[18:46] <popey> i think its open AFAIAA
[18:47] <k1l_> iirc there are locked bootloader devices but the signing key is public, so you can sign your own kernel so the locked bootloader works like its open.
[18:47] <k1l_> speaking not of the BQ
[18:57] <timppa_> how can I load latest ubuntu touch "preinstalled" .tar.gz to a device?
[20:30] <Edwardd> Hello
[20:30] <lotuspsychje> Edwardd: welcome
[20:31] <Edwardd> Are you a bot?
[20:31] <lotuspsychje> Edwardd: no :p
[20:31] <Edwardd> Can you help me?
[20:31] <lotuspsychje> Edwardd: ask a question first
[20:32] <Edwardd> I have problem with wifi hexadecimal password
[20:32] <lotuspsychje> Edwardd: on ubuntu phone?
[20:34] <Edwardd> Yes, I cant login on wifi witj hexadecimal password
[20:37] <Edwardd> The wifi ask me the password again and again
[20:45] <k1l_> hexadecimal is nothing else than regular numbers and letters. so are you sure you wrote it the right way? case sensitiv?
[20:45] <Edwardd> Where go the bot? I mean the bot man
[20:46] <Edwardd> k1l_ yes I wrote the correct password and did new password to make sure
[20:46] <Edwardd> The password was 504 bits random by website
[23:41] <ghosalmartin> hello, anybody tried to build ubuntu touch ontop of android 6?
[23:48] <ahoneybun> mm ubuntu sdk does not like Kubuntu
[23:48] <ahoneybun> very odd
[23:50] <ahoneybun> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13461896/