[00:00] <freakyy> i wonder if i should just put the boot partition on the ssd
[00:00] <qu> my /etc/hosts seems useless now. i set `192.168.1.123 www.abc.com` in `hosts`, but when i `ping www.abc.com`, returns `PING kevin.com.router (120.192.83.162) 56(84) bytes of data.` Why? (lubuntu 15.10)
[00:00] <int-main> the_count: just press F12
[00:00] <qu> i tried lots of times, any not exists domain names (but a set in /etc/hosts) are return `120.192.83.192` when ping.
[00:00] <Acerio> freakyy: However, minimal builds do not come with a desktop environment, so you will need to install one yourself, which is not hard. My favorite environment is GNOME 3.18, but Ubuntu default is Unity.
[00:00] <freakyy> Acerio: i dont want that
[00:00] <Acerio> freakyy: Why not?
[00:00] <the_count> dersand: So, you have somebody else's phone? And you want to use their phone service for yourself?
[00:00] <freakyy> its still too big
[00:00] <Acerio> freakyy: What is the size of your SSD?
[00:00] <freakyy> ill find a solution
[00:00] <the_count> int-main: There is no reason then why that same thing wouldn't work for ubuntu
[00:01] <dersand> the_count, it's my own. But i guess nobody will believe me?
[00:01] <kakashiAL> hi
[00:01] <int-main> the_count: exactly why I am disturbed
[00:01] <the_count> dersand: Welll, it makes people wonder, start searching for an ssh server app on the play store then.
[00:01] <kakashiAL> is it possible to make your ubuntu pc, where you use wlan to go to the internet, offer a hotspot
[00:02] <the_count> int-main: Well...
[00:02] <kakashiAL> I mean use the same pc and to browse the internet and offer a hotpot
[00:02] <bprompt> int-main:     ok... can you try, with the f12 light orange, boot to windows, see if it turns to white while in windows
[00:03] <dersand> the_count Since i can't run anything, init or set any values i guess it needs to be "plug and play". That's a bit much to ask for huh?
[00:03] <the_count> int-main: I'm not sure I understand what you mean
[00:03] <kakashiAL> anyone?
[00:03] <int-main> the_count: I meant it should but it isn't. That confuses me.
[00:04] <Na3iL> kakashiAL, what was your question? cause I didn't get it!
[00:04] <int-main> bprompt: I can assure you, it does work properly on Windows. I am online via windows 10 currently
[00:04] <the_count> kakashiAL: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/net-wireless-adhoc.html
[00:04] <kakashiAL> I am using wlan to go the internet Na3iL :)
[00:04] <Acerio_> Hey sorry, I am back. freakyy if you said something, I may have missed it. So please restate the reply.
[00:04] <kakashiAL> but I want to offer a hotspot
[00:04] <Na3iL> You mean wlan0 kakashiAL
[00:04] <kakashiAL> and be able to do both
[00:04] <kakashiAL> use my wlan and offer a hotspot
[00:05] <Acerio_> My PC froze :P And my old IRC session is still active, which is weird.
[00:05] <the_count> int-man: What drivers did you find that were supposed to work
[00:05] <kakashiAL> the_count: I am using xfce
[00:05] <bprompt> int-main:     the " I have RT3290 adapter. My Wifi says disabled by hardware switch."   makes me suspicious that is software, but yes, the f12 light could  be orange by lack of loaded drivers, what wifi nic do you have again?   broadcom? atheros? else?
[00:05] <VictoriaXOXO> Na3iL: Still around?
[00:06] <Na3iL> Yep VictoriaXOXO
[00:06] <int-main> bprompt: Ralink
[00:06] <kakashiAL> so, anyone?:)
[00:06] <the_count> kakashiAL: Maybe check with those who make xfice then
[00:07] <Acerio_> What is the timeout time for IRC sessions? Waiting for my last session to timeout, so I can change my nick.
[00:07] <bprompt> hmm
[00:07] <the_count> int-main: Try ' rfkill unblock all '
[00:08] <kakashiAL> the_count: there is none
[00:08] <int-main> the_count: as I said, it works when its soft blocked. Mine is hard blocked
[00:08] <the_count> int-main: Try [Fn] + [Ctrl] + [F12]
[00:09] <Apteryx> Is there any way I can see any process that gets run after I login? I think some process is overriding some definitions I put in my .profile.
[00:09] <Bashing-om> the_count: I see several issues with touchpads have been resolved "upstream"; Have you tried the latest kernel that was installed this round ?
[00:09] <the_count> kakashiAL: #xfce
[00:09] <the_count> Bashing-om: not sure exactly what you mean.
[00:10] <Apteryx> I think I've found a bug where any Xinput configuration gets overridden shortly after login in.
[00:10] <int-main> the_count: I'll have to make a bootable USB but I'll try it. Did you find something?
[00:10] <the_count> int-main: I'll get you the link in a sec
[00:11] <Apteryx> This because my Xorg input device config stopped working, and after experimenting with putting xinput set-button-map in my .profile, this also fails.
[00:11] <the_count> int-main: http://askubuntu.com/questions/528316/wifi-is-diasbled-by-hardware-switch-in-ubuntu-14-04-32-bit-on-hp-430-laptop
[00:11] <Apteryx> But manually sourcing the .profile file after the system is on does the trick.
[00:11] <Apteryx> And I know for sure that .profile is run while Ubuntu's booting.
[00:12] <AlexQ> kakashiAL: Propably possible, but you would need to have two WLAN interfaces I think.
[00:12] <int-main> the_count: let me try. Will report soon
[00:12] <kakashiAL> AlexQ: so you cant go to the internet and have a hotspot with the same wlan interface?
[00:13]  * Acerio is AFK
[00:13] <AlexQ> kakashiAL: I am not sure there are any WLAN interfaces that allow that.
[00:13] <Acerio> whoops pretty sure i broke a rule there. sorry!
[00:14] <AlexQ> kakashiAL: But what is your use case? What are you trying to achieve?
[00:14] <kakashiAL> I have wlan, my smartphone is not able to get the waln (its 5hrz vs 3hrz)
[00:14] <OerHeks> kakashiAL, no you can't.
[00:15] <kakashiAL> OerHeks: hmm...okay
[00:15] <OerHeks> and not all wifi adapters can, under linux, it is a driver issue then.
[00:15] <OerHeks> * do hotspot
[00:16] <kakashiAL> OerHeks: can we try it?
[00:17] <AlexQ> kakashiAL: You could try with some USB WiFi dongles, if you have some laying around.
[00:17] <kakashiAL> nope :(
[00:17] <kakashiAL> I just have a laptop with a wlan
[00:17] <OerHeks> kakashiAL, sure, connect to internet via cable, and setup wifi as ad-hoc/hotspot network in networkmanager
[00:18] <kakashiAL> my cable is too short, my router is not in my room :/
[00:18] <AlexQ> kakashiAL: And if you aren't able to access the Internet via cable, maybe it is somehow possible to share internet connection from laptop to smartphone via Bluetooth.
[00:19] <AlexQ> kakashiAL: It used to be done the other way around for sure.
[00:21] <AlexQ> kakashiAL: Aren't you able to switch the router into hybrid mode (2.4GHz + 5GHz) BTW.? I think almost all of them allow that.
[00:21] <Avocado_> Found a screenshot tool, works neat.
[00:21] <Avocado_> https://imgur.com/dPBjSNX
[00:21] <Avocado_> alt+shift+2
[00:21] <Avocado_> auto uploads and copies to clipboard
[00:21] <Avocado_> If anyones interested, its called screencloud
[00:21] <marus> if i run ubuntu as a desktop, it's a good practice to use iptables?
[00:22] <int-main> the_count: Didn't work
[00:23] <noah> int-main: I'm back! Got anything on that networking issue?
[00:23] <Na3iL> indeed marus
[00:24] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: Does anyone in here know how to close Firefox (or any browser) when the VPN connection fails?
[00:25] <marus> Na3iL: does the firewall run by default?
[00:25] <Na3iL> VictoriaXOXO, xkill via the terminal, forces to quit the app you want to quit..
[00:25] <noah> Open a gnome-terminal, type 'pkill firefox'. Please note that this does NOT clean up memory, etc...
[00:26] <VictoriaXOXO> Na3iL: noah: I meant automatically. XD
[00:26] <Na3iL> Nope, marus it is disabled by default
[00:27] <noah> I don't know how to automate it. :( A Shell Script?
[00:27] <Na3iL> Cause Ubuntu Desktop does not need to a firewall to be safe on the Internet, since by default Ubuntu does not open ports that can introduce security issues.
[00:28] <Na3iL> yep noah and place it in the startup applications
[00:28] <VictoriaXOXO> Na3iL: noah: No idea how to automate it?
[00:28] <Na3iL> VictoriaXOXO, if you want it automatically, then you should knows the crontab jobs
[00:28] <VictoriaXOXO> Na3iL: crontab jobs... Hmm...
[00:29] <Na3iL> Or more easily using shell scripting
[00:30] <noah> A crontab might do the trick. Try 'man crontab'
[00:32] <Avocado_> Syria secretly sentenced free software developer and Firefox contributor Bassel Khartabil to death (boingboing.net)
[00:32] <Avocado_> NOOO!!
[00:32] <marus> Na3iL: so it's not running by default, but i have to run and make rules also on my laptop?
[00:33] <int-main> noah: I tried Ctrl + Fn + F12 and rfkill unblock all
[00:33] <int-main> No help
[00:34] <Na3iL> Yep marus
[00:35] <Na3iL> if you are not familiar with it, you can use the GUI version of firewall → gufw
[00:35] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: Does anyone in here know how to close Firefox (or any browser) (automatically) when the VPN connection fails?
[00:39] <OerHeks> VictoriaXOXO, you want to close firefox on the vpn, when your connection fails?
[00:39] <VictoriaXOXO> OerHeks: No, I want Firefox to shut down (like, instantly) as soon as the VPN disconnects. :P
[00:40] <VictoriaXOXO> OerHeks: So I don't accidently surf more with regular ISP.
[00:40] <OerHeks> oke, a clue: /etc/network/if-post-down.d/ >> http://askubuntu.com/questions/519920/how-to-run-an-up-script-using-network-manager-openvpn
[00:40] <OerHeks> pkill firefox
[00:41] <VictoriaXOXO> OerHeks: Saving everything and will look at it within a few minutes. Thanks. :)
[00:43] <dahui> hi all i installed scrapy with pip, but it is installed on /usr/local/bin/scrapy ... how do i make it go to /usr/bin/scrapy??
[00:43] <dahui> with link or a copy?
[00:43] <daftykins> symlink it
[00:43] <daftykins> sounds like you installed something without a package
[00:45] <Avocado_> hey guys, I can't access my HDD that I use to store files/backup
[00:45] <Avocado_> It says "unable to access "backup""
[00:45] <Avocado_> error mounting /dev/sdb2 at blablbla
[00:45] <Na3iL> You need to export it daftykins
[00:45] <Avocado_> exited with no-zero exit status 12: failed to read last sector
[00:45] <daftykins> Na3iL: i think you have the wrong nick
[00:45] <Avocado_> someone said it might be fast boot from windows?
[00:46] <Avocado_> The device /dev/sdb2 doesn  seem to have a valid ntfs
[00:46] <Na3iL> Ah! sorry daftykins x)
[00:46]  * Na3iL is sleeping on the keyboard :P
[00:46] <daftykins> Avocado_: mmm not for a storage only drive, no harm in booting back in and running chkdsk on it though - have you checked SMART data in case it's failing? assuming it's mechanical
[00:47] <noah> Reboot into Windows twice, run chkdsk on it. You must reboot TWICE.
[00:47] <Avocado_> daftykins, I can reach it from windows
[00:47] <Avocado_> ok
[00:47] <Avocado_> Will try
[00:48] <daftykins> noah: what makes you think that? :)
[00:48] <the_count> Bashing-om: So.. Have you found anything which might be good...?
[00:49] <daftykins> buying another laptop? :)
[00:49] <noah> Read it from some man page. Apparently Windows checks the disks and does somthing to them. Really, I have no idea what it does, it just works for me ;)
[00:49] <daftykins> noah: ah, maybe for an OS drive, don't expect so much for a sole storage disk
[00:49] <noah> I would still try...
[00:50] <noah> It fixed my storage drive too when I rebooted.
[00:50] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: Synaptics diagnostic info from fresh Xubuntu Wily installation, where smooth scrolling works correctly: xmodmap xinput evtest xev.log : http://paste.ubuntu.com/13428392/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/13428396/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/13428402/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/13428409/
[00:50] <AlexQ>  
[00:53] <Avocado_> Tried doing the chkdsk
[00:53] <Avocado_> no errors found
[00:53] <VictoriaXOXO> OerHeks: I'm afraid that is too hard for me. :/
[00:53] <Avocado_> I can reach it from windows, but not from ubuntu
[00:53] <Avocado_> Also the disk type is "Dynamic" not "basic"
[00:53] <Avocado_> not sure if that has something to do with it?
[00:53] <noah> That is wierd...
[00:54] <Avocado_> https://imgur.com/zyDucM3
[00:54] <Avocado_> noah, can you take a look at that?
[00:55] <Avocado_> https://imgur.com/F15eo1S
[00:55] <noah> Do you have a backup uf the disk? If you do, try changing the type to 'basic'. Always have a backup. Disk partitioning is fun ;) (It fails sometimes)
[00:55] <Avocado_> this is what i see in disks
[00:55] <Avocado_> I get my external harddisk tomorrow, im gonna back up everythign on there
[00:55] <Avocado_> I can repartition it then, to be sure
[00:55] <Avocado_> I think its because of the dynamic type
[00:55] <Avocado_> I read it somewhere
[00:56] <TigersFox> hi
[00:56] <the_count> Bashing-om: At least, how would we resolve the graphics problems restore it to normal
[00:56] <noah> Once you have a backup, erase the disk and repartitonn it. Then copy the data of the backup.
[00:56] <Avocado_> https://imgur.com/yyAVNo6
[00:56] <Avocado_> noah take a look at that
[00:56] <Captonjamason> Hello, Im having some trouble with WIFI on ubuntu 14.04 on Acer 5517 Notebook, Its acting as if there is no wifi, Even though im in windows 7 typing this, I tried Updating (sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade) and installing 15.10 but it didnt help
[00:56] <Avocado_> it says "unknown"
[00:56] <daftykins> Avocado_: that's definitely unwise, i would not keep a disk as dynamic.
[00:56] <Avocado_> What does dynamic type even mean?
[00:56] <daftykins> prepares it for joining together with other disks in a pool, under Windows
[00:56] <AbuDhar> it means it is dynamic :D
[00:56] <daftykins> Avocado_: anyway, run a manual mount command in the terminal; then show us the error output
[00:57] <Avocado_> I did shrink that disk one time, maybe thats why its dynamic now?
[00:57] <daftykins> !behelpful | AbuDhar or don't speak please
[00:57] <noah> I'm not sure, but I "THINK" that it's like LVM in linux.
[00:57] <AbuDhar> :D
[00:57] <Avocado_> So I use mount /dev/sdb2 right?
[00:57] <AbuDhar> what are you trying to do Avocado_+
[00:57] <Avocado_> (never mounted before)
[00:57] <noah> If your disk is /dev/sdb2.
[00:57] <daftykins> Avocado_: use http://paste.ubuntu.com to show us "sudo parted -l" to have a glance first
[00:58] <Avocado_> daftykins, http://paste.ubuntu.com/13429644/
[00:58] <Avocado_> I have an SSD of 128gb, and the HDD is 750gb
[00:59] <daftykins> Avocado_: so no, /dev/sdb1 - make sure it's not tried to automount by typing "mount" on its' own and looking for sdb1
[00:59] <daftykins> although that doesn't even recognise a file system on there, which is not good at all.
[00:59] <Avocado_> Weird, i can read and write on windows
[01:00] <daftykins> yes, spotted that quirk :)
[01:00] <noah> Once it works, try to add it to /etc/fstab to automaticly mount it on startup.
[01:00] <daftykins> Captonjamason: can you identify the wifi device involved?
[01:00] <Avocado_> so now I try "mount /dev/sdb1"?
[01:00] <daftykins> noah: jumping a bit far ahead, since it's not gonna work
[01:00] <Avocado_> is that the correct command
[01:00] <logglog> hello everyone is there a way to make ubuntus sidebar to act intelligente, for example when i put firefox to maximum size i want that the sidebar hides. is it possible to make it. (i am new to linux)
[01:00] <daftykins> Avocado_: well did you see it auto mounted yet or no? from "mount"
[01:00] <noah> Ok. Sorry.
[01:01] <Avocado_> daftykins, http://paste.ubuntu.com/13429724/
[01:01] <noah> Try "sudo apt-get install ntfsprogs"/
[01:01] <noah> Try "sudo apt-get install ntfsprogs".
[01:01] <daftykins> Avocado_: ok good, looks like a no - so "sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt" - which should fail, then show us what "dmesg | tail" said as well as the error
[01:02] <Avocado_> daftykins, http://paste.ubuntu.com/13429763/
[01:02] <alain> logglog, did you try a right-click in the panel?
[01:03] <daftykins> Avocado_: nope that didn't show anything relevant, did the mount command error? what did it say?
[01:03] <Avocado_> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[01:03] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: the_count: I don't think there is any difference there. xev (guess that stands for X events) only shows simulated scroll button press events, on both OSes, and evtest shows more low-level events that are the same (just two fingers on touchpad, that's all). Where is the processing connected with smooth scrolling - I don't know - don't know if it is somehow handled as a X event as well. I think it is pretty obvious that the apps
[01:04] <daftykins> Avocado_: ok. which dist are we dealing with? "cat /etc/issue"
[01:04] <Avocado_> filesystem type should be NTFS right? how do i put that in the command there?
[01:04] <RaizQuadrada> g
[01:04] <daftykins> well since parted couldn't see it, we can tell it... but i'm sure it won't help.
[01:04] <daftykins> Avocado_: "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb1 /mnt" though do confirm version with the above for me first
[01:04] <Avocado_> daftykins, Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS \n \l
[01:04] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: No easy way of killing certain processes when VPN fails? :/
[01:05] <TigersFox> kann jemand per zufall deutsch hier ^
[01:05] <Avocado_> daftykins, ready to go?
[01:05] <AlexQ> VictoriaXOXO: It isn't a hard way. Do you think it would be easier on Windows? :D
[01:05] <daftykins> Avocado_: yeah give it a go, i suspect an error
[01:06] <Avocado_> daftykins, http://paste.ubuntu.com/13430177/
[01:06] <noah> use sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/xxx /mnt/mydevice. replace xxx with your device name.
[01:06] <daftykins> yeah that's not a good sign.
[01:06] <Avocado_> I think i gotta reformat the disk
[01:06] <daftykins> Avocado_: that'd be the easiest way, you could try running gparted and see if it says anything about the disk first
[01:07] <daftykins> i'm sure a more experienced volunteer i know here could help, but it's only a format away anyway
[01:07] <Avocado_> I'll wait for tomorrow, after I backup ill reformat is as NTFS, right?
[01:07] <TigersFox> have you a weblink, where i can my skript upload?
[01:07] <noah> Just back up, reformat, and restore
[01:08] <Avocado_> wait, "restore"?
[01:08] <Avocado_> oh you mean, put files back in
[01:08] <Avocado_> Yeah, ill do that
[01:08] <noah> Restore from the backup
[01:08] <Avocado_> Thanks for help daftykins
[01:08] <Avocado_> and noah
[01:08] <daftykins> np
[01:08] <AlexQ> Avocado_: Yeah, backup as in copy files, not in make a partition image.
[01:08] <VictoriaXOXO> AlexQ: Yes, much easier. I've done it in the past.
[01:09] <noah> A partition image is useless because it takes the error with it :)
[01:09] <Avocado_> daftykins, what was the /mnt command for btw? i thought mount already meant mount
[01:09] <daftykins> that's where to mount to.
[01:09] <Avocado_> ohh
[01:09] <Avocado_> it takes /dev/sdb1 and mounts it to /mnt
[01:09] <Avocado_> got it
[01:09] <daftykins> yep
[01:09] <Avocado_> new to linux..
[01:10] <daftykins> ^_^
[01:10] <Avocado_> But its addicting as hell trying to fix everything
[01:10] <daftykins> it's pretty nuts when you're new, used to X: and so on... but essentially any folder path such as /something/here can be a folder on a disk, or a mount point for a disk or partition
[01:10] <daftykins> hey nothing's broken :P
[01:12] <noah> Use the -t option to manually set the partition type. Yours in NTFS, so use 'sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/xxx /path/to/mount/point' Replace 'xxx' with your device name, replace /path/to/mount/point with any empty directory that you want to maunt it to.
[01:12] <Avocado_> so why is the mount folder called /mnt?
[01:12] <Avocado_> is /mnt just a shortcut to access /dev/xxx?
[01:13] <Avocado_> I could mount it to /banana too?
[01:13] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: When a guide tells me to "point to your VPN's IP...", what do they mean? I get a new IP ever single time I connect. :/
[01:13] <AlexQ> Avocado_: Mount point is just a pre-existing empty directory.
[01:13] <Avocado_> I thought my ubuntu OS is "mounted"?
[01:13] <Avocado_> where does that get mounted?
[01:13] <AlexQ> Avocado_: /
[01:13] <Avocado_> oh
[01:13] <Avocado_> thats like the tree trunk
[01:14] <Avocado_> when you look at it from visual point of view
[01:14] <Avocado_> and every folder inside it is a branch
[01:14] <noah> No No No. /dev/xxx should be replaced with /dev/sda1 or /dev/sdb2 or whatever your device is. /mnt is a generic folder for mounting devices, but it is just a folder. For more info, run 'man mount'
[01:14] <Avocado_> and folder inside that is another branch
[01:14] <Avocado_> ?
[01:14] <Avocado_> what does the man command do
[01:14] <Avocado_> its like "help"?>
[01:14] <AlexQ> That's like mounting different trees to branches of one main tree. | man opens a manual page, yep
[01:15] <noah> The 'man' command brings up documentation on commands or config files
[01:15] <Avocado_> woah cool!
[01:15] <Avocado_> im starting to like linux
[01:15] <noah> Linux is So Cool!
[01:15] <Avocado_> its a shame the DPI is fucked up for my chrome browser
[01:15] <Avocado_> i have to use firefox cant stand the font rendering on chrome browser
[01:16] <Avocado_> https://imgur.com/iFjK5tA
[01:16] <Avocado_> look at how oversized and bold the font is
[01:18] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: When a guide tells me to "point to your VPN's IP...", what do they mean? I get a new IP ever single time I connect. :/
[01:19] <Avocado_> VictoriaXOXO, I think the VPN's IP and the IP that your VPN gives you are 2 different things
[01:19] <Avocado_> could be wrong
[01:19] <AlexQ> VictoriaXOXO: Maybe they mean the VPN server you connect to, rather than the external IP you get? These are two different things I presume, tough I am a total VPN noob. Yeah Avocado_
[01:19] <VictoriaXOXO> AlexQ: Well, stupid explanation then? :P
[01:19] <VictoriaXOXO> Avocado_: Hmm. Maybe.
[01:20] <MrCeeIII> good evening.... I had a quick question... what if you are within an application and the computer freezes... what do you do cold reboot? is there somthing else i can try first? please advise
[01:21] <Avocado_> VictoriaXOXO, Maybe this is related to your question: http://www.overclock.net/t/411495/how-to-find-the-vpn-host-name-or-ip-address#post_4912679
[01:22] <MrCeeIII> good evening.... I had a quick question... what if you are within an application and the computer freezes... what do you do cold reboot? is there somthing else i can try first? please advise
[01:22] <VictoriaXOXO> Avocado_: Boooooom. Saved. :)
[01:22] <MrCeeIII> anyone?anyone?
[01:23] <daftykins> !reisub | MrCeeIII
[01:23] <VictoriaXOXO> MrCeeIII: Maybe this? http://blog.kember.net/articles/reisub-the-gentle-linux-restart/
[01:23] <VictoriaXOXO> XD
[01:23] <VictoriaXOXO> I'm so slow.
[01:23] <Avocado_> So weird, when you google "f", facebook shows up at top
[01:23] <Avocado_> :D
[01:23] <daftykins> not weird at all, certainly off topic though :)
[01:24] <VictoriaXOXO> Avocado_: Not weird. They serve the same master. ;)
[01:24] <Avocado_> Google and facebook are different tho
[01:24] <Bashing-om> the_count: Yeah.maybe we should work on the display .. There are bug reports in this respect of the graphic's driver and touchpad . ' lspci ; sudo lshw -C display ] to see what it will take to restore .
[01:27] <MrCeeIII> alt printscreen does nothing... hello daftykins...
[01:27] <daftykins> MrCeeIII: where did you get the idea that you had to press that from?
[01:28] <MrCeeIII> !from ubottu up there ^
[01:28] <MrCeeIII> WTH?
[01:28] <daftykins> MrCeeIII: you might want to read a bit closer then.
[01:28] <VictoriaXOXO> MrCeeIII: Dude. You need to hold down Alt+PrintScreen AND then type REISUB.
[01:29] <MrCeeIII> the print screen on this keyboard is a function
[01:29] <VictoriaXOXO> MrCeeIII: And don't let daftykins get to you. He's helpful, but cold. XD
[01:29] <MrCeeIII> i know him...
[01:29] <MrCeeIII> and i know his ways
[01:29] <VictoriaXOXO> MrCeeIII: What kind of a keyboard is that? :/
[01:30] <MrCeeIII> idunno gateway... i have to hold down a funtion key to then hit printscreen
[01:30] <daftykins> MrCeeIII: "free -m" > http://paste.ubuntu.com
[01:31] <MrCeeIII> basically  the windows ctrl alt delete on linux
[01:31] <daftykins> is what you're after? yeah doesn't work like that
[01:31] <daftykins> plus if Windows had frozen, trying to call up the task manager is equally useless
[01:32] <daftykins> another angle you can take, though... is trying to press ctrl+alt+F1 to get to TTY1.
[01:32] <MrCeeIII> so shall i cold boot in the future?
[01:32] <daftykins> MrCeeIII: if you run the above command and put it on the paste site though, i can check if you're freezing up for a lack of RAM issue.
[01:32] <daftykins> cold boot means to press power from being switched off, i'm not sure how you'd apply that to freezing
[01:32] <the_count> Bashing-om: May we resume this monday?
[01:33] <MrCeeIII> i thought there was somthing out there that i can get to a window and type top
[01:33] <daftykins> MrCeeIII: yeah the above, ctrl+alt+F1
[01:33] <baiter> free -m|pastebin
[01:33] <MrCeeIII> i simply hold the powere key till the computer shuts off
[01:33] <daftykins> baiter: it's pastebinit in ubuntu ; and needs installing.
[01:33] <baiter> it does?
[01:33] <daftykins> yes
[01:35] <baiter> now that everybody's on 64 bit os, it's easy to get 32 gig+ ram
[01:35] <baiter> dunno why they don't offer it more often
[01:36] <daftykins> "they" ? there's not one single computer manufacturer.
[01:36] <baiter> i mean pre-built desktop sellers
[01:36] <baiter> was the context unclear?
[01:37] <daftykins> you're just off topic i'm afraid :)
[01:37] <daftykins> and also pretty wrong ime
[01:39] <Bashing-om> the_count: Sure, at your pace .
[01:42] <the_count> Bashing-om: I've got 500 projects going on right now, and I will  have to pace them out I guess, have a good one...
[01:42] <the_count> Bashing-om: Are you around Sunday's?
[01:44] <Bashing-om> the_count: Yes, even on a sunday ... I will be around - later in the eve .
[01:47] <the_count> Ok, I might, I'll see
[01:56] <cluelesscoder> so I wanted to show my brother Linux and open-source programming... he runs Windows and lives across the country
[01:56] <VictoriaXOXO> Awwww yissss. Got rid of that stupid error while shutting down. ÖD
[01:56] <VictoriaXOXO> :D
[01:56] <cluelesscoder> we both downlaoded http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/contribute/?version=15.10&architecture=amd64 and tried to use with Virtualbox
[01:57] <cluelesscoder> both got the SquashFS error
[01:57] <cluelesscoder> pretty disappointing
[01:57] <cluelesscoder> (I'm running OSX El Capitan)
[01:57] <daftykins> cluelesscoder: bad downloads perhaps, try the torrents instead.
[01:57] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: Use a torrent download.
[01:57] <daftykins> which virt tech did you boot with?
[01:57] <cluelesscoder> we both had bad downloads?
[01:57] <Acerio> Oh daftykins beat me to it
[01:57] <daftykins> Acerio: only just ;)
[01:57] <cluelesscoder> the downloads page doesn't have an have an md5sum!
[01:58] <daftykins> yes it does; http://releases.ubuntu.com
[01:58] <cluelesscoder> well not from the main page to download it
[01:58] <cluelesscoder> I got there from http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/
[01:58] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: Maybe try installing it on the actual HDD?
[01:58] <daftykins> needing to check the hashes doesn't tend to be a beginner task, so *shrug*
[01:59] <cluelesscoder> yeah, but it's essential to help a beginner (or experienced person) get unstuck
[01:59] <VictoriaXOXO> I'm a beginner, but paranoid. I need hashes. :o)
[01:59] <cluelesscoder> pretty sad that Ubuntu is dumbing things down to the point where they don't even present an md5sum
[01:59] <VictoriaXOXO> Check ALL the hashes!
[01:59] <blhack> I'm beginner too
[01:59] <daftykins> cluelesscoder: i believe your opinion on this matter is ridiculous.
[02:00] <cluelesscoder> I guess I should have stuck with Arch anyway
[02:00] <mgolisch> all cds come with a test thing dont they?
[02:00] <daftykins> mgolisch: typically, yeah - at least on legacy boot i know for sure
[02:00] <cluelesscoder> mgolish: it's 2015, neither of us even have CD drives on our laptops
[02:00] <Acerio> YOU CAN INSTALL ARCH BUT NOT UBUNTU?
[02:00] <mgolisch> cluelesscoder: i meant the iso
[02:00] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: well yeah. there's something to be said for a clearly documented wiki
[02:01] <daftykins> lets get back on topic now, rather than slating an entire distro for our inability to find the information we want.
[02:01] <hggdh> ...
[02:01] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: it's basically foolproof
[02:01] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: Let me figure out your issue. What is the problem again?
[02:01] <daftykins> too late.
[02:01] <VictoriaXOXO> cluelesscoder: I'm using Ubuntu, but have used the AL wiki more than the Ubuntu wiki. XD
[02:01] <Acerio> Explain it to me in depth.
[02:01] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SquashfsErrors
[02:02] <Acerio> That page gives you solutions.
[02:02] <Acerio> Literally.
[02:02] <Acerio> Try testing things out, it shows several causes, and several solutions. Try them all!
[02:02] <Acerio> :)
[02:02] <VictoriaXOXO> I don't think he wants solutions. I think he wants to put down Ubuntu. :P
[02:03] <noah> Anyone know of a good DHCP server for Ubuntu?
[02:03] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: it's pretty amazing to have this issue in the latest release when it's been reported since 2007
[02:03] <daftykins> noah: "apt-cache search dhcp" - are you sure you need one? typically this is handled by your router...
[02:03] <daftykins> cluelesscoder: you're the first person with it since 15.10's release, so i think it's more down to yourself
[02:03] <mgolisch> cluelesscoder: maybe your image is bad?
[02:04] <daftykins> (or rather your computer :) )
[02:04] <mgolisch> or your computer has bad memory
[02:04] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: It's because of your computer, not the OS.
[02:04] <noah> Yes. I want more configuration than my router provides, and I do not want to buy a new one.
[02:04] <Acerio> It could also be because you are on a Mac, with a VM incompatible CPU.
[02:04] <VictoriaXOXO> 7e5b393977d41b77c2208fbef7b3c23d2f134e9f *ubuntu-15.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[02:04] <Acerio> But every other bit of information would be given there.
[02:04] <VictoriaXOXO> Easy money.
[02:04] <cluelesscoder> both my computer and my brother's computer (running Windows 10) are bad in the same way?
[02:04] <cluelesscoder> if that's so, it hits a wide market
[02:05] <cluelesscoder> in any case, those solutions are presented in like 1/10 the level of detail they would be presented on Arch
[02:05] <VictoriaXOXO> cluelesscoder: Check the sha1sum for your .iso. 7e5b393977d41b77c2208fbef7b3c23d2f134e9f *ubuntu-15.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[02:05] <monsune> oh btw can you sha1 just a text and not a file?
[02:05] <daftykins> cluelesscoder: seriously downloading one file then saying there's an issue distro wide, you realise how overreacting this is? you probably just got a bad local mirror (if it's even the file at the source)
[02:05] <noah> OK. After trying 'apt-cache search dhcp' i've found DHCPD. I'll try that!
[02:05] <hggdh> cluelesscoder: please stop. We are not comparing arch or anything else. If youfeel better with arch, go there.
[02:06] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: Try another ISO, or something.
[02:06] <monsune> cluelesscoder win10 is evil...
[02:06] <Acerio> Maybe you didn't burn it correctly, or maybe it was a bad mirror.
[02:06] <daftykins> !ot | monsune NO.
[02:06] <monsune> daftykins got it.
[02:06] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: "NO." -- Like he's a dog. :P
[02:07] <cluelesscoder> how do I edit a grub.conf file in an ISO?
[02:07] <cluelesscoder> never had to do that
[02:07] <monsune> so can you sha1 a text? i need a sha1 pass hash for word: hello
[02:07] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: Just install another ISO!
[02:07] <monsune> VictoriaXOXO i'm sure that he really meant that ;)
[02:08] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: one would think that the one pointed to by the big Download button at http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/ would be the most reliable
[02:08] <monsune> 1700+ in the # has no clue how to generate a sha1 hash in ubuntu :)
[02:08] <VictoriaXOXO> Well, we're all dirty dogs in here, according to Arch users. /end of off-topic
[02:08] <monsune> VictoriaXOXO ha ha
[02:08] <noah> If it is a squashfs, use the unsquashfs program to extract it, cd into the extracted directory, and edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[02:08] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: 64bit or 32bit PC?
[02:08] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: but yeah, I'll try it again I guess
[02:08] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: I will find one that will probably work.
[02:09] <hggdh> cluelesscoder: why don't you go to releases.ubuntu.com, download from there, and check md5s from there?
[02:09] <daftykins> monsune: hang on let me wake up all 17xx members of the channel to tell you you're off topic and should move to #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[02:09] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: http://releases.ubuntu.com/15.10/ubuntu-15.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[02:09] <Acerio> ^ 32 bit
[02:09] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: http://releases.ubuntu.com/15.10/ubuntu-15.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[02:09] <Acerio> ^ 64 bit
[02:10] <Acerio> Those will most likely work. Make sure to correctly burn the ISO onto a CD.
[02:10] <cluelesscoder> hggdh: is that even linked anywhere from the main page?
[02:10] <monsune> daftykins that would be something absolutely cool to watch :)
[02:10] <Acerio> Unless you are using VM?
[02:10] <hggdh> cluelesscoder: no
[02:10] <UbuN2> hello linux workd :()
[02:10] <Acerio> If VM, make sure your settings are correct. and make sure your CPU is VM compatible, as well as the rest of your hardware.
[02:10] <monsune> UbuN2 hello non-Arch user :)
[02:10] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: well yeah, as I said this happened installing on Virtualbox
[02:11] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: I run virtual box installations of Linux all the time for work
[02:11] <UbuN2> i do have arch and LFS monsune
[02:11] <hggdh> cluelesscoder: well, it is, via http://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[02:11] <UbuN2> ;)
[02:11] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: If you say you installed Arch before, and used it for a while, I am surprised you have issues with Ubuntu.
[02:12] <Acerio> Ubuntu is usually the beginners Linux distro, and it is very user friendly, unlike Arch.
[02:12] <Acerio> Arch does not have an installer :P
[02:12] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: yep, that's why I was surprised to find it didn't work
[02:12] <VictoriaXOXO> Acerio: True, but the AL wiki is EXTREMELY useful and user friendly. Even I get some of it.
[02:12] <Renzadic> Hey how are we doing, I'm having a problem installing ubuntu 15 on to a usb drive. Through windows i am always successful but when using unetbootin on ubuntu or just the start up disk creator it always gives me a bootloader failed message. On the disks page it shows loops from the iso to the usb device which is weird and also doesnt work of course when i try to boot from usb.
[02:13] <Acerio> I installed Ubuntu 15.10 on a clients PC this morning, with no issues.
[02:13] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: and for both myself and my brother halfway across the world, with very different underlying systems, to have the same issue...
[02:13] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: it's just sad that Ubuntu continues to have so many problems
[02:13] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: Strange, you and your brother are the only ones :P
[02:13] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: no, it's a common problem - that's why there is a wiki page
[02:14] <Renzadic> Hey how are we doing, I'm having a problem installing ubuntu 15 on to a usb drive. Through windows i am always successful but when using unetbootin on ubuntu or just the start up disk creator it always gives me a bootloader failed message. On the disks page it shows loops from the iso to the usb device which is weird and also doesnt work of course when i try to boot from usb.
[02:14] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: I hardly see people complain. Millions of PC's run ubuntu no problem.
[02:14] <VictoriaXOXO> cluelesscoder: I'm afraid... the problem is... you.
[02:14] <Acerio> Renzadic: Try CD?
[02:14] <Acerio> Renzadic: Or maybe there is an issue with GRUB.
[02:15] <Renzadic> Acerio, so where would i begin
[02:15] <utu8o> which video chat app would protect the privacy and legal confidentiality of doctor-patient relationship??
[02:15] <Apteryx> Any idea why such an xinput script has no effect when it's ran from my .profile ? : http://paste.ubuntu.com/13388742/
[02:15] <Acerio> Renzadic: Try getting a blank CD, burning the Ubuntu ISO. Booting to CD. If there is still a bootloader error, try another HDD, or Google the error and try to look on forum listings to see if someone got the same issue.
[02:15] <daftykins> utu8o: i don't think anyone here would be qualified to comment on that front.
[02:15] <VictoriaXOXO> utu8o: None.
[02:16] <utu8o> VictoriaXOXO, what would the closes software be?
[02:17] <VictoriaXOXO> utu8o: I guess I'm the wrong person to ask. I don't trust any of them. There's even duct-tape on my laptops and phones.
[02:17] <VictoriaXOXO> Because of the cameras, that is.
[02:18] <jazbec1> Hi. I've just installed bodhi linux and my usb wi-fi dingle doesnt work. I've tried some things, and it seems that "the kernel module is loaded but the software firmware-ralink doesn't seem to be in the repository" can anyone help? thanks.
[02:18] <Acerio> jazbec1: wrong place to ask bud.
[02:18] <daftykins> jazbec1: sorry that's not supported here.
[02:18] <daftykins> only ubuntu and official derivatives
[02:19] <_nemesys> hello everybody opennerd
[02:19] <jazbec1> ok, thanks anyway
[02:19] <Acerio> VictoriaXOXO: utu8o: Many softwares claim to be safe. But "slack" seems the most trustworthy, but still, you never know.
[02:19] <cluelesscoder> VictoriaXOXO: well, do you know how to open an ISO and edit the grub file? ISO is not generally an editable thing
[02:20] <VictoriaXOXO> cluelesscoder: I've asked that myself once. Don't know, yet.
[02:20] <monsune> Acerio go with freebsd if you want "safe" :) ipfw ftw :)
[02:20] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: Dude. I think you are approaching this the wrong way. I just offered help, and I bet you didn't even attempt it. Please try it, before jumping to conclusions.
[02:20] <Acerio> monsune: ;)
[02:21] <monsune> plus somehow ssh works better on freebsd, it's totally alive compared to linux
[02:21] <cluelesscoder> VictoriaXOXO: it's impossible :)
[02:21] <cluelesscoder> VictoriaXOXO: basically they are saying you need to boot to grub and edit it from there somehow
[02:21] <daftykins> cluelesscoder: edit for what purpose? you have a corrupt download...
[02:21] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: OH. Boot to GRUB.
[02:21] <VictoriaXOXO> cluelesscoder: Oh, okay. But did you verify the susm? 7e5b393977d41b77c2208fbef7b3c23d2f134e9f *ubuntu-15.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[02:21] <cluelesscoder> VictoriaXOXO: but that is the only suggested solution on the wiki
[02:21] <daftykins> we said to grab the torrent - you could have done it by now.
[02:21] <blhack> how to upgrade ubuntu 15.04?
[02:22] <Acerio> blhack: In Ubuntu search, look up "Upgrade"
[02:22] <Acerio> blhack: By "Ubuntu search", I mean the dash.
[02:22] <daftykins> blhack: run "do-release-upgrade" or just open the update manager.
[02:22] <Acerio> ^
[02:22] <daftykins> Acerio: if you're not 100%, don't respond to folk...
[02:22] <cluelesscoder> VictoriaXOXO: MD5 (ubuntu-15.10-desktop-amd64.iso) = ece816e12f97018fa3d4974b5fd27337
[02:22] <cluelesscoder> VictoriaXOXO: I rebooted the machine and now it is running (at least seems to be running)
[02:23] <VictoriaXOXO> cluelesscoder: Try the SHA-1 one, please. I don't trust MD5. :P
[02:23] <VictoriaXOXO> cluelesscoder: Oh, nice.
[02:23] <daftykins> that's ridiculous ^
[02:23] <Acerio> daftykins: I did it the other day. If you do the step, it works. There is an application that upgrades.
[02:23] <cluelesscoder> VictoriaXOXO: so apparently that SqashFS error is just a scare tactic
[02:23] <VictoriaXOXO> cluelesscoder: Nice. :D
[02:24] <blhack> how many GB do I need? for upgrade my ubuntu
[02:24] <cluelesscoder> VictoriaXOXO: not amazing - it's not good to throw errors up if they don't mean anything
[02:24] <daftykins> depends on your install
[02:25] <cluelesscoder> VictoriaXOXO: the SqashFS error doesn't seem to be much of a thing on other distros from what I can tell
[02:25] <daftykins> yes it is, common issue when images are corrupt or a boot issue occurs
[02:25] <VictoriaXOXO> cluelesscoder: I'm lucky when it comes to that error. I've never seen it.
[02:25] <monsune> cluelesscoder talk about errors that don't mean anything... Method 'GET /nodes/ns458292/qemu/103/pending' not implemented (501)
[02:25] <monsune> i spent 12 hrs on this already
[02:26] <Acerio> VictoriaXOXO: Same. I think it is his hardware.
[02:26] <Acerio> monsune: heh
[02:26] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: yep, my Macbook and my brother's Toshiba...
[02:26] <monsune> wish there was some cool proxmox dude around to help
[02:26] <VictoriaXOXO> cluelesscoder: Would it REALLY surprise you?
[02:27] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: It could be: bad memory modules, a bad dvd drive, bad data cable, bad media, or a corrupted image.
[02:28] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: probably corrupted image, do a md5 checksum, and if they do not match, redownload. But to save time, just redownload.
[02:28] <cluelesscoder> the sad thing is that I was running Ubuntu LiveCDs painlessly in like 2007
[02:28] <cluelesscoder> showed it off to lots of friends and stuff
[02:28] <VictoriaXOXO> Acerio: He did a md5 checksum, but not sha1.
[02:28] <monsune> cluelesscoder and i still remember RedHat 3.0 on 4 CDs :)
[02:28] <Acerio> VictoraXOXO: Did it match?
[02:29] <VictoriaXOXO> Acerio: I hope so. XD
[02:29] <watUbuntu> I'm on ubuntu on my main disk now. other disks are formatted. if i want to put windows on other disk, how do I dual boot?
[02:29] <daftykins> cluelesscoder: again, everything you're trumpeting today is a bunch of sensational rubbish... i was giving help back then and plenty of people had the error due to corrupt downloads. so please... move on and stop spreading FUD.
[02:29] <monsune> i had those nifty, shiny black CDRs for it :)
[02:29] <watUbuntu> all tutorials keep saying i need to have windows before
[02:30] <VictoriaXOXO> watUbuntu: Do you want the Windows part because of Adobe products and games?
[02:30] <watUbuntu> yes
[02:30] <daftykins> watUbuntu: you could disconnect your ubuntu disk, install to the other, reconnect and boot ubuntu- then run "sudo update-grub"
[02:30] <VictoriaXOXO> watUbuntu: Oh...
[02:30] <monsune> watUbuntu get OSX for adobe part...
[02:30] <noah> Install Windows to the partition, then run 'sudo update-grub' to add it to your GRUB menu.
[02:30] <watUbuntu> I will try wine 1st
[02:30] <monsune> watUbuntu or try proxmox
[02:31] <VictoriaXOXO> watUbuntu: Don't. Wine works like shiet with Adobe products (the ones I've tried).
[02:31] <daftykins> !language
[02:31] <watUbuntu> thank you
[02:31] <monsune> watUbuntu just go with ubuntu and install winbox with qemu
[02:31] <ron__> im about to buy an ssd and want to move root to the ssd and leave home directory on current HDD. Any ideas on how I can accomplish this?
[02:31] <cluelesscoder> daftykins: well, it's pretty hard for me to spread Linux if the easiest distribution doesn't work properly in Virtualbox and the common suggestion is to use a CD
[02:32] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: No, just get another ISO! Redownload it!
[02:32] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: it's running for me
[02:32] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: Just delete the VM, delete your current ISO. Download the same ISO, and do it again!
[02:32] <noah> You should look into editing the fstab
[02:32] <daftykins> cluelesscoder: well it wouldn't fit on a CD anyway, but like i told you - we haven't had anyone else complaining of what you have - so please stop flogging this dead horse and move on. no more FUD.
[02:33] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: the only problem now is that it is super-laggy for my brother, but oh well
[02:33] <monsune> i like the part about dead horse most :)
[02:33] <Acerio> daftykins: An Ubuntu install disk would fit on a CD dude. :P
[02:33] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: Probably incompatible CPU for VM. But it is still running. VirtualBox is not the best way to run an OS.
[02:33] <daftykins> Acerio: no, they are 1.1GB if you look up at 15.10 - i suspect you're thinking a DVD is still a CD.
[02:33] <monsune> virtualbox is actually, uh, crap.
[02:33] <hggdh> Acerio: an ubuntu *ISO* does not fit in a CD
[02:33] <Acerio> daftykins: Oh, that's right. heh
[02:33] <daftykins> *facepalm*
[02:33] <Acerio> I was thinking of DVD. whoopsies.
[02:34] <monsune> virtualbox indeed fails alot depending on hw it is running on so the issue isn't probably related to linux at all
[02:34] <Acerio> I only run VM's for testing purposes.
[02:34] <monsune> please do it right and use qemu :)
[02:35] <daftykins> i 100% disagree with that statement monsune
[02:35] <Acerio> daftykins: Actually, Ubuntu CAN fit on a CD. The Minimal build :)
[02:35] <monsune> daftykins i could understand 50% but 100%?
[02:35] <daftykins> Acerio: funny how the answer changes when you caveat the comment, huh?
[02:36] <Acerio> daftykins: huh?
[02:36] <monsune> daftykins qemu is much better... especially when you use virtio
[02:36] <monsune> unless you don't care about the i/o in vm
[02:36] <daftykins> i don't care for your opinion
[02:36] <monsune> mine?
[02:36] <VictoriaXOXO> Wow. daftykins is on fire tonight.
[02:36] <daftykins> VictoriaXOXO: as mentioned, keep your chat comments to yourself thanks, they're off topic.
[02:37] <VictoriaXOXO> XD
[02:37] <Acerio> daftykins: I just generally swap CD and DVD without noticing, as if they meant the same thing. Of course, they are different, but it is a common mistake, and besides, Ubuntu can fit on a CD. But ONLY Ubuntu. Not it's desktop environment, built-in programs, etc. etc. (ie minimal build)
[02:37] <VictoriaXOXO> And I'm the one that needs to be told to be polite. Okaaaaaay.
[02:37]  * monsune goes to sit in the corner.
[02:37] <daftykins> Acerio: there's no need for us to go over the point for another 30 minutes.
[02:37] <VictoriaXOXO> monsune: Here! Catch! Cookie time.
[02:38] <monsune> VictoriaXOXO thank you my darling :)
[02:38] <Acerio> daftykins is such a savage lol.
[02:38] <logglog> Hello everyone. I have been using windows since i first time heard for pcs, now after using windows more than 20 years i want to use linux. I have been using linux for 2 years as dual boot, i am still new with linux.  I tried all possible distros (well about 15 :) ). The only think that is keeping me on windows is ms office, i rly need it and must use it for my college. Is there a way to install it and run it properly.
[02:38] <VictoriaXOXO> Acerio: He can be very helpful, but at the same time very douchey.
[02:38] <daftykins> Acerio: i don't think you know what you're saying.
[02:38] <Acerio> logglog: OpenOffice? Google Docs?
[02:38] <monsune> logglog and when was that first time exactly?
[02:38] <Acerio> VictoriaXOXO: I like him. He's a helpful guy, with an attitude XD
[02:38] <VictoriaXOXO> :P
[02:39] <logglog> when i had 3 years :P no joke
[02:39] <logglog> muahhaha
[02:39] <Acerio> daftykins: You are a savage. I know exactly what I said. I love it.
[02:39] <monsune> i don't understand people who quit windows just to use linux :) and then they run back to windows a week later screaming some nasty stuff :)
[02:39] <daftykins> VictoriaXOXO: i give you help and tolerate your stupid questions, what more do you want? a smile? ":)"
[02:39] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: In fact, that WOULD be nice!
[02:39] <Acerio> :)
[02:39] <logglog> Well i tried using ms office with wine, but the fonts were bad and had some malfunctions
[02:39] <Acerio> monsune: yeah, so true.
[02:40] <UbuN2> this HELP channel is getting out of control
[02:40] <Acerio> logglog: May be wrong, but maybe winetricks can run MS Office?
[02:40] <monsune> Acerio it just never works... the point is to use both and migrate in small steps
[02:40] <daftykins> UbuN2: too many bored trolls tonight it seems
[02:40]  * Acerio joins offtopic channel!
[02:40] <logglog> Wine can run office, but had malfunctions like font didnt work and sometimes it crashed
[02:40] <UbuN2> yep they are not helping the cause sir
[02:41] <monsune> daftykins man... it's saturday.
[02:41] <Acerio> logglog: Odd.
[02:41] <Acerio> enough offtopic. #ubuntu-offtopic to continue!
[02:41] <monsune> as for ubuntu desktop... can one disable font smoothing in there?
[02:42] <monsune> i like crispy fonts.
[02:42] <watUbuntu> seems wine is working enough for me
[02:43] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: Why show me a lot of white text on a black background (while booting), when I'm never fast enough to even read any of it?
[02:44] <UbuN2> check the .logs VictoriaXOXO
[02:44] <UbuN2> :)
[02:44] <daftykins> they used to be displayed permanently on another TTY, but the desire to switch to a silly graphical boot logo (plymouth) overrode useful things like that
[02:44] <Acerio> VictoriaXOXO: Because that is logged, in case something goes wrong
[02:44] <VictoriaXOXO> I even disabled all of the stupid GUI stuff!
[02:44] <daftykins> oh the logs point has already been shared, but i think someone is still obsessing over an error on shutdown
[02:44] <monsune> VictoriaXOXO that's not for you :) it's for loggers :)
[02:44] <VictoriaXOXO> Removed "splash quiet" or whatever it is called.
[02:44] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Nope. It's gone now.
[02:45] <daftykins> of course, if someone halted rather than reboot/shutdown - that'd still be displayed most likely *cough*
[02:45] <VictoriaXOXO> I fixed it.
[02:45] <UbuN2> i see .
[02:45] <daftykins> no, you worked around it by removing stuff
[02:45] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: I didn't remove anything.
[02:45]  * UbuN2 chews his gum and cracks on his Os
[02:45] <daftykins> that's nice
[02:46] <daftykins> anyway learning to read and make use of logs is a big part of Linux usage.
[02:46] <Acerio> ^
[02:46] <UbuN2> yep
[02:47] <Acerio> very important, especially with server management.
[02:47] <UbuN2> reading can make solving problems easier
[02:47] <monsune> that's why you don't use desktop first of all :)
[02:47] <Acerio> Mhmm. It is like a puzzle, and can lead you where the problem is, and sometimes tell you how to fix it.
[02:48] <UbuN2> agreed.
[02:48]  * UbuN2 idles abit with eyes on chat
[02:48] <monsune> when there is just you and the console... your brain works faster.
[02:49] <daftykins> as i said earlier, if you want to chat you can do so freely in #ubuntu-offtopic - but keep this channel to the support only please
[02:49] <Acerio> monsune: With server managment, and basically every professional server management I've ever worked with, they always keep it CLI.
[02:49] <Acerio> Having a server use a GUI isn't a good idea.
[02:50] <UbuN2> i shouldlve rephrase chat to help sorry lol
[02:50] <monsune> Acerio and that's me, too :)
[02:51] <Acerio> monsune: I can tell you all about my servers, or servers I've worked with for work, in the offtopic channel :P
[02:51] <daftykins> yes, stop enabling one another and move please...
[02:51] <monsune> sure Acerio
[02:55] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: Smooth scrolling uses XInput2 events. "xev is outdated in case of XInput2 events". use "xinput --test-xi2 <id>" to see vertical and horizontal scroll events with vectors
[02:55] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/138546/smooth-scrolling-where-does-it-come-from
[03:01] <Bashing-om> AlexQ: reading.
[03:02] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: Maybe there is something wrong with GTK 3 libs.
[03:03] <ke4nhw> Hi, I just ran the ubuntu server setup, and nowhere during the setup did it allow me to set the root password. I am trying to get root logged in to get the password set to something secure. What is the default root password?
[03:03] <Acerio> ke4nhw: type "passwd"
[03:04] <Acerio> ke4nhw: or are you not at a command line?
[03:04] <ke4nhw> cli, at login screen for tty1
[03:04] <ke4nhw> now logged in for regular user
[03:05] <ke4nhw> I can change my passwd, which is not root passwd
[03:06] <daftykins> ke4nhw: we don't use the root account on ubuntu, it goes against the design of the distro.
[03:06] <ke4nhw> And one thing is for sure, I cannot allow a system to run that I don't control the root password. I'll have to delete the entire system and full wipe the hdd. Too much risk having an uncontrolled root pwd
[03:06] <AlexQ> BTW. Is Ubuntu 15.10 serving GTK2 or GTK3 version of Firefox?
[03:06] <daftykins> !root
[03:07] <Acerio> What ubottu said. Use "sudo" to type your user password. :)
[03:07] <ke4nhw> So will sudo allow you access to ALL functions, commands, and capabilities of root?
[03:07] <daftykins> ke4nhw: that's ridiculous; it's greater security. you use "sudo -i" if you want to switch properly to root@host for a set time
[03:07] <daftykins> otherwise just prefix commands with 'sudo'
[03:08] <ke4nhw> And again the problem exists that now there is a root password to the server that someone, not me, knows. Whether it's the developer or whoever, it is not someone that has server authorization.
[03:08] <daftykins> no there isn't a root password at all
[03:08] <pyios> how to check status of svn server?
[03:08] <pyios> how to check status of svn ?
[03:09] <daftykins> ke4nhw: what do you mean exactly? only the first user you created is a member of the sudo/admin group and so can use 'sudo'; that's how it works
[03:09] <daftykins> so in essence the password for that first user is the one that gives access :)
[03:10] <daftykins> ke4nhw: btw i hope you picked a long term support server release when you installed, i.e. 14.04 - 15.04 and 15.10 are only supported for a short time so must be upgraded from more often
[03:10] <Bashing-om> AlexQ: Remember, a driver is that interface between the hardware and the kernel . What we are looking for is that translation point . presently I am totally lost at where that point is .
[03:10] <ke4nhw> Wait a minute, root has no passwword? That makes no sense. I've never, and I mean never, dealt with an OS where root has no password and is completely inaccessible. If root had no password it would log in with no auth check. So Unbuntu has been coded in a way that makes it appear that root has a password, but there is no password, and the nonexistent password can't be guess for a user that
[03:10] <ke4nhw> exists but doesn't? Please tell me how that makes any sense in a *.nix environment
[03:11] <ke4nhw> I did, I got the LTS for that very reason
[03:12] <daftykins> it actually makes a lot of sense, since root can't be bruteforced this way
[03:12] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: The point is that these GTK3 apps are handling BOTH legacy button events (something like mouse-wheel-step-up and mouse-wheel-step-down, coded as button numbers) and newer XInput2 scroll vector events, which causes crazy behaviour.
[03:12] <daftykins> ke4nhw: good call on the LTS, just checking.
[03:13] <daftykins> ke4nhw: you know, even on a VPS where i was given a root password i disabled root SSH login, created an account and enabled sudo usage... it's safer.
[03:13] <ke4nhw> I didn't want to reinstall in a few months to a year, so I took LTS. And I can see the point that root can't be bruteforced this way, unless root actually does have a password that exists outside the knowledge of anyone but the developers. Then brute force isn't even necessary.
[03:13] <daftykins> ke4nhw: if you're new to ubuntu but used to other distributions, i can understand it might be frustrating to have change - but there's nothing wrong with it.
[03:13] <AlexQ> ke4nhw: Basically you can't log in to root until you set a password with sudo.
[03:14] <daftykins> AlexQ: we don't advise breaking the core design principles :)
[03:14] <AlexQ> daftykins: I know, I am just explaining how that is achieved technically.
[03:15] <daftykins> then you should include a warning when you give such advice :)
[03:15] <ke4nhw> Yes, it's precisely the same thing I do, I make all logins as a standard user with sudo privs, and root can ONLY login via a local tty. But, even if root is only used once a year for major maintenance, or even never, the primary user, the god user of the system, and his password, is firmly and completely under the control of the server owner, rather than out in limbo. I've dealt with dozens of
[03:15] <ke4nhw> servers in Linux, and my primary view was this: <cont>
[03:16] <daftykins> well you can violate this design if you really want, but i personally wouldn't
[03:17] <AlexQ> ke4nhw: You need to understand that it is a physical impossibility to log in as root on a fresh Ubuntu install. You might think of it as if the password record was 'corrupted', I mean as if there was no password possible that would match that password record. daftykins, how is that *technically* achieved?
[03:17] <daftykins> no idea how it's implemented
[03:17] <ke4nhw> If I'm putting my private and secure data on the server, and I'm going to maintain it, and I'm going to be responsible for it, then I will be the ONLY person alive with root access, with contingency plans well place and highly secured, but if I'm given a fully running server without root's password, it gets vaporized, completely, and started from scratch. Regardless of what was there to start
[03:17] <ke4nhw> with.
[03:17] <ke4nhw> Too much risk
[03:17] <Tashtari> The root password is not in limbo, though.  Someone who knows more about this than I can correct me if I'm wrong, but the system maintains hashed passwords for each user, so when someone tries to log in, the system hashes the password and sees if it matches the hash for the username they logged in with - and root's password is set to a value that the hashing function cannot produce.
[03:18] <AlexQ> ke4nhw: Open /etc/shadow and look at the root password record.
[03:18] <daftykins> i think that's too paranoid a viewpoint on this matter.
[03:18] <ke4nhw> paranoid is bad how?
[03:18] <AlexQ> ke4nhw: Instead of a root password hash you have a '!' character there
[03:18] <nbrecht01> are you trying to login as root?
[03:18] <ke4nhw> Not now
[03:18] <daftykins> ke4nhw: well you're essentially saying an entire distro that's been going for years could have a core flaw nobody has noticed...
[03:19] <ke4nhw> I only tried it once to set a new root password that I and only I know, then I'd logout and login as my reg user
[03:19] <daftykins> ke4nhw: anyway, if *you personally* have a problem with it, just change it? i don't see the reason to grind an axe over it.
[03:19] <SupaYoshi> hey guys, i need some serious backup / image advice regarding my ubuntu server box.
[03:19] <ke4nhw> Same thing I do on any install, unless I set root password during the install
[03:19] <AlexQ> ke4nhw: No password string, after hashing (with whatever hashing algo) will result in a "!" string.
[03:19] <SupaYoshi> I have been reading about making a backup of my installation, i made earlier backups by hand with clonezilla.
[03:20] <SupaYoshi> But i've been reading about a way to make rsync, do a backup of my entire os disk.
[03:20] <nbrecht01> run 'sudo passwd root' and follow the prompts. Then, run 'su -' and input the recently set password.
[03:20] <SupaYoshi> However, I am quite unsure what to do, because i have an LVM settup.
[03:21] <SupaYoshi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13434445/
[03:21] <SupaYoshi> =  /dev/mapper/HOMESRV--vg-root is my os partition.
[03:22] <ke4nhw> Thank you, and it's not that I'm grinding an axe, it's just that different people have different standards. Mine exists on a paranoid level
[03:22] <SupaYoshi> how would i make the best backup of this? rsync?
[03:22] <daftykins> SupaYoshi: i'd carry on as you are
[03:23] <daftykins> rsync isn't for disk wide backups imo
[03:23] <SupaYoshi> daftykins, what do you mean?
[03:23] <SupaYoshi> okay fair enough.
[03:23] <SupaYoshi> But I'd rather automatize the backup of the os installation.
[03:23] <SupaYoshi> because i cannot be bothered creating a new backup manually tbh, like anyone else.
[03:24] <daftykins> find yourself an rsync script and focus on just data, then i'd say
[03:24] <SupaYoshi> okay. but the grub loader and all that.
[03:24] <ke4nhw> It's not uncommon, and I once lost data over it, since the previous owner of the server, the person who was teaching me Linux and helping me manage a file server, refused to give me sudo access high enough to change root pw, allow me to change it, or give it up, even after he turned the whole thing over to me lock stock and barrel. He said he wanted to maintain root access "for nostalgia
[03:24] <ke4nhw> reasons". Boot Knoppix, enter multiple passes of dd
[03:25] <SupaYoshi> I cannot backup that by rsync of course.
[03:25] <SupaYoshi> so clonezilla is my best way to do it then you'd say.
[03:25] <ke4nhw> Very simply, I was about to start storing tax returns, bank statement archives, and other very sensitive data on it. I didn't want him having any access, period.
[03:25] <SupaYoshi> but for clonezilla my system needs to be offline and boot from a livecd correct?
[03:26] <daftykins> SupaYoshi: so consider using rsync for data more regularly, but a full disk image less regularly - if you insist on having one.
[03:26] <ke4nhw> But thanks for helping me figure that out. I've got root password changed, and still logged in as the base user. Again, the way I deal with management most of the time.
[03:26] <daftykins> i'm not so sure on the efficacy of having a disk image created from within the running OS
[03:26] <SupaYoshi> daftykins, cool.
[03:26] <SupaYoshi> I have data backups already of course.
[03:26] <SupaYoshi> cool. :)
[03:26] <SupaYoshi> thanks.
[03:26] <daftykins> but you need to update them, surely
[03:27] <daftykins> ke4nhw: *nod* fair enough
[03:27] <ke4nhw> Only rarely do I do root work on a tty, and only when the amount of time spent id'ing sudo would add unnecessarily to the work. And then only extremely carefully
[03:27] <ke4nhw> Again, maybe once or twice a year, on a busy year
[03:27] <nbrecht01> If you REALLY wanted to use rsync to do backups, you could set it up with cron to run every once and a while. (eg. Once a week)
[03:27] <ke4nhw> Most of the time, a few commands are easy enough to string together, script, and then auth
[03:28] <ke4nhw> on the rsync issue, it works very well with cron in that fashion
[03:28] <ke4nhw> it's excellent for backups, and it's even good for pushing images to multiple other servers (mirrors) if you script it and cron the script
[03:29] <ke4nhw> Kind of a hack, but can work in a pinch
[03:30] <ke4nhw> I am configuring that same setup to push radio configuration data files to multiple remote sites to prevent the need to actually visit those sites to run radio programming.
[03:31] <daftykins> i think what was being asked was whether rsync was appropriate for full disk imaging backups though
[03:31] <jjls> hi. why should I use ubuntu as opposed to other distros?
[03:32] <nbrecht01> You might want to pipe the output of 'rsync' int 'tar' to archive it. (If you can do that)
[03:33] <daftykins> jjls: you try it and you like it... not for us to tell you otherwise.
[03:33] <shuaizi> my computer has met a problem,the screen is flickering when i login with desktop environment,anyone can help me?
[03:33] <nbrecht01> Reasons to use ubuntu: 1) Large Software Base, 2) Large Support Base, and 3) We have this IRC site to talk about it ;)
[03:34] <AlexQ> How can I purge & reinstall the entire GTK suite?
[03:34] <nbrecht01> shuaizi: Is your screen refresh rate set correctly?
[03:34] <AlexQ> And preferably Xfce Windows manager
[03:35] <shuaizi> yes
[03:35] <nbrecht01> AlexQ: 'sudo apt-get purge gtk*'. Why do you want to?
[03:36] <nbrecht01> shuaizi: Do you have the color mode at the higets setting?
[03:36] <nbrecht01> shuaizi: Do you have the color mode at the highest setting?
[03:44] <nbrecht01> shuaizi: Does the screen flicker if you switch to a different TTY? (Ctl+Alt+F2)
[03:52] <kernelhack> what happened in here?
[03:55] <nbrecht01> shuaizi: Anything on that screen issue?
[03:56] <VictoriaXOXO> nitish: TJ-: Nothing even REMOTELY close to Premiere Pro.
[03:56] <nitish> TJ-: for example?
[03:56] <VictoriaXOXO> nitish: kdenlive, but it's ****.
[03:56] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: nothing that costs that much either
[03:56] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: XD
[03:57] <nitish> VictoriaX0X0: what is meaning of *****?
[03:57] <VictoriaXOXO> nitish: A bad word that starts with s and ends with hit. :P
[03:58] <TJ-> nitish: There are a lot of NLEs from the open-source community, it's a long while since I coded for them I can't even recall the name of the one I contributed most to!
[04:00] <ke4nhw> Well that was fun
[04:00] <TJ-> oh, OpenShot. There's also a Linux port of Lightworks. Blender is very good too, although targeted at 3D rendering mostly
[04:00] <SupaYoshi> nbrecht01 and ke4nhw, can you give me an example of an rsync image backup?
[04:00] <SupaYoshi> and does it do grub too?
[04:00] <TJ-> nitish: there's a good summary of the state of NLEs here: http://www.zdnet.com/article/non-linear-video-editing-software-open-source-alternatives-to-abobe-premiere-pro-cc/
[04:00] <SupaYoshi> and mbr?
[04:00] <nbrecht01> Hmmm.. What do you mean?
[04:01] <nitish> TJ-: Thanks for the link.
[04:01] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: rsync does not, cannot, 'do' disk image backup, it only handles files in a file-system
[04:01] <SupaYoshi> well, i want to make an image / full system backup of my os
[04:01] <SupaYoshi> okay.
[04:01] <ke4nhw> not sure about the mbr I don't think so. It deals with the files. That would be an image
[04:01] <ke4nhw> You'd have to image the whole disk to get the mbr if I'm not mistaken
[04:01] <SupaYoshi> i want a os backup that i can restore in case my os hdd crashses
[04:01] <SupaYoshi> and that be me.
[04:01] <SupaYoshi> should i just use clonezilla?
[04:02] <ke4nhw> I'd either use clonezilla or dd
[04:02] <SupaYoshi> dd?
[04:02] <ke4nhw> dd it to an iso, then you can restore from an iso to a full image
[04:02] <ke4nhw> man dd
[04:02] <SupaYoshi> can that run as a crontab
[04:02] <ke4nhw> and use it carefully
[04:02] <nbrecht01> If you want an ISO of your ENTIRE FILESYSTEM, run 'dd if=/dev/xxx of=muosbackup.iso', replacing xxx with your disk
[04:02] <SupaYoshi> and without rebooting?
[04:02] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: clonezilla will take a compressed back-up if I understand it correctly, whereas plain 'dd' won't 'compress' sparse blocks
[04:02] <ke4nhw> I'd script it but ues
[04:02] <ke4nhw> true
[04:02] <TJ-> nbrecht01: that isn't an ISO!
[04:03] <ke4nhw> dd is a perfectly 1:1 image
[04:03] <nbrecht01> You should probably do that from a LiveCD or something so you can unmount your OS disk first. (SOme files may be open, they will not be bakced up)
[04:03] <SupaYoshi> okay.
[04:03] <SupaYoshi> i see.
[04:04] <SupaYoshi> but if i have to shutdown anyway
[04:04] <SupaYoshi> clonezilla is easy enough
[04:04] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: it's possible to tell 'dd' to recognise sparse blocks, but it won't always give any benefit
[04:04] <ke4nhw> You can dd from one /dev to another, from one /dev to a file (like an .iso), or even use it to wipe a hdd. It's a powerful tool, and a dangerous one
[04:04] <nbrecht01> Do not forget to use 'sudo', you need it to back up system files.
[04:04] <ke4nhw> Another problem with dd:
[04:05] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: if you want to image a live system, best way is to have the installed system using LVM, and take an LVM snapshot of the OS root file-system and then image that, rather than the live root file-system
[04:05] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: No more up to date articles like that one?
[04:05] <nitish> how can I install lightworks?
[04:05] <TJ-> ke4nhw: you can use 'cp' to wipe a disk - 'dd' isn't any more dangerous. The danger comes from users not understanding the tool before they start using it
[04:05] <SupaYoshi> TJ- i think i have that? http://pastebin.com/vbPTDtmw
[04:06] <LambdaComplex> TJ-: btrfs supports file system images, doesn't it?
[04:06] <ke4nhw> If you image a hdd with bad sectors it could pick them up, or with corrupted data it'll record it faithfully. Or if you image a good hdd and then later restore the image to a hdd with bad sectors it will find itself trying to deal with that problem. Again, it is a 1:1 including blank space or sparse sectors.
[04:07] <nbrecht01> If you just want to back up your home dir or something, just use 'cp' to copy it. only use 'dd' isf you are copying something with a boot sector or something that will not show up as a file.
[04:07] <TJ-> LambdaComplex: yes, but there are still bugs being worked out of it especially with compression and cloning so its not widely used as yet
[04:07] <ke4nhw> And yes, cp is just as dangerous, but it's best someone know that once you start a dd, if you didn't pay attention to the order of if= of= then it could get ugly
[04:07] <LambdaComplex> TJ-: quite true
[04:08] <TJ-> ke4nhw: right, but my point is "sodu cp /dev/sda /dev/sdb" is no more unsafe and easy to do
[04:08] <nitish> Any racing game for ubuntu?
[04:08] <SupaYoshi> TJ-, i think i have LVM system when i installed it back in 2013.
[04:08] <SupaYoshi> do i? http://pastebin.com/vbPTDtmw?
[04:08] <TJ-> ke4nhw: note the intentional mispelling :)
[04:09] <LambdaComplex> TJ-: does cp even work like that?
[04:09] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: yes, it seems you do, so a snapshot of the HOMESRV/vg-root LV would allow you to image it
[04:09] <TJ-> LambdaComplex: of course
[04:09] <nbrecht01> Yes, it does. (Everything is a File)
[04:09] <TJ-> LambdaComplex: 'cp' takes any 'file' like entity, and /dev/sdX is a file as far as the kernel is concerned
[04:10] <ke4nhw> Which is back to root. I'll be the first to tell you that if a regular has full admin rights through sudo, they can do just as much damage as root, albeit a bit slower as they'll have to authenticate to do the damage. I can see the point of keeping inexperienced users away from root, and protecting root from bulldozing, but the admin users have the same power as root, unless the sudoer file
[04:10] <ke4nhw> has been sufficiently edited (which can only be done by root).
[04:10] <LambdaComplex> TJ-: EVERYTHING IS A FILE
[04:10] <TJ-> LambdaComplex: no, it isn't
[04:10] <TJ-> some things *look* like files though :)
[04:10] <LambdaComplex> okay, everything exists on the file system
[04:10] <LambdaComplex> better? >.>
[04:10] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: No more up to date articles like that one?
[04:11] <TJ-> LambdaComplex: that's better :D ... the difference is *some* 'files' don't support file operations such as 'seek'
[04:11] <SupaYoshi> TJ- nbrecht01, thanks!
[04:11] <ke4nhw> true, everything is represented as a "file" in the filesystem, but not everything is a true file
[04:11] <nbrecht01> The Linux kernel treats EVERYTHING as a file. Even your network card is a file a far as Linux is concerned!
[04:11] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: I don't know; use your favorite search engine. March 2014 is pretty recent in terms of the development speed of NLEs though
[04:11] <SupaYoshi> so. running that command you passed there earlier is a good way?
[04:12] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: I'm not finding anything. :(
[04:12] <LambdaComplex> TJ-: I should write a script to grab lines from /dev/urandom and /dev/js0 to make it even more random
[04:12] <ryao-phone> I do not think the Nic is considered a file.
[04:12] <ryao-phone> At least, I do not know what it would be in /dev.
[04:12] <nitish> Problem in confuiguring cyberoam in ubutnu?
[04:12] <TJ-> ryao-phone: nbrecht01 ^^^ correct
[04:12] <SupaYoshi> dd if=/dev/xxx of=muosbackup.iso
[04:12] <nitish> how to use cyberoam in ubuntu?
[04:13] <nbrecht01> The hardware is nao a file, but look in /dev. The Kernel communicates with it through a device 'file'
[04:13] <ke4nhw> the NIC isn't a file, but it is represented as a file. Even the contents of the running memory is represented as a file
[04:13] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: why are you setting the target filename to <something>.iso ? You're not writing an ISO9660 file-system, which is what .iso implies
[04:13] <SupaYoshi> TJ-, nbrecht01, would dd if=/dev/mapper/HOMESRV--vg-root of=muosbackup.iso
[04:13] <SupaYoshi> do?
[04:13] <ke4nhw> he's right, it's how the kernel operates.
[04:14] <SupaYoshi> TJ-, because that was your example.
[04:14] <TJ-> nbrecht01: actually, no, the kernel uses socket operations only for network devices, there's no access via /dev/ or /sysfs/
[04:14] <SupaYoshi> i should just use .img?
[04:14] <ke4nhw> Your entire cdrom is not a file, it is a device. But there it is in the /dev directory
[04:14] <SupaYoshi> TJ-, nbrecht01, would dd if=/dev/mapper/HOMESRV--vg-root of=muosbackup.img
[04:14] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: oh, sorry! *slaps self*
[04:14] <SupaYoshi> lol its fine.
[04:14] <SupaYoshi> so is that a yes?
[04:15] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: yes, but 'dd' by default only reads in blocks fo 512 bytes so that would take a long while. Add the option "bs=100M" to use 100MB blocks, I sometimes use "bs=1G" when there's plenty of RAM
[04:15] <nbrecht01> Yes, if you wanted an backup image of /dev/mapper/HOMESERV--vg-root. Just make sure that 1) You have enough disk space, and 2) you have super user pirvleges.
[04:15] <SupaYoshi> cool!
[04:15] <ke4nhw> It doesn't become files until the partitions are mounted, and the actual data of the disk is made available, as files. This is why you can't browse a /dev/sda but you have to mount it first to a mount point, which makes the contents of that device available as a readable filesystem.
[04:16] <SupaYoshi> so risks in backing up a live system?
[04:16] <nbrecht01> You can restore an ISO with Disk Image Writer
[04:16] <nbrecht01> No, just that some files WILL NOT be backed up
[04:16] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: as I said, take an LV snapshot and use that as the source (if=) for dd, then delete the snapshot
[04:17] <ke4nhw> I'd recommend performing this action of backup while booted from a Live OS, so that all partitions of the hdd to be imaged are unmounted
[04:17] <SupaYoshi> TJ-, cool. so does, dd if=/dev/mapper/HOMESRV--vg-root of=muosbackup.img
[04:17] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lvm
[04:17] <SupaYoshi> make a snapshot?
[04:18] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: no, you need to use "lvcreate -s ..." to create a snapshot. See that page for both overview and specific examples of doing it
[04:18] <SupaYoshi> okay. if i need to use a live cd, i do not see the advantages over using clonezilla
[04:18] <SupaYoshi> okay.
[04:18] <SupaYoshi> and i make a backup of that snapshot
[04:18] <ke4nhw> similar concepts
[04:18] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: as long as you create snapshots and copy those, you'll be fine
[04:18] <SupaYoshi> and that snapshot can be restored to another ssd / hdd. if my hdd /sdd fails?
[04:18] <ke4nhw> clonezills is a live cd
[04:19] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: a snapshot is a 'freeze' of the file-system at a point in time
[04:19] <SupaYoshi> ke4nhw, yes. ^ and easy. why use dd and snapshots if you have clonezilla
[04:19] <SupaYoshi> yeah i know i work with vms. i didnt know it was possible to take a snapshot of an actual system though
[04:19] <ke4nhw> It's just another flavor of Linux. Maybe your experience will be better than mine, but I've always had bad results with clonezilla
[04:20] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: LV snapshots is how decent Linux systems provide an easy roll-back facility for upgrades and the like
[04:20] <ke4nhw> especially with the mbr
[04:20] <SupaYoshi> TJ-, cool.
[04:20] <ke4nhw> Hence I've always used dd when I need an image that comprehensive as to provide a complete rollback of the drive state.
[04:21] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: if you're going to want to back-up the boot-loader then you'll need to do additional, separate, steps too.
[04:21] <ke4nhw> Are you doing this with a physical host or are you working with a VM?
[04:21] <SupaYoshi> TJ-, thanks, I know enough, periodic backups with clonezilla is good enough for me than.
[04:21] <SupaYoshi> Easy too :)
[04:21] <Acerio> How do I get my OpenPGP fingerprint in 15.10? I am only familiar with earlier versions.
[04:21] <ke4nhw> A dumb question maybe but I run both
[04:21] <ke4nhw> and several of each
[04:22] <SupaYoshi> another question, i am currently on 12.04 LTS.
[04:22] <SupaYoshi> I am thinking to upgraed to 14.04 LTS
[04:22] <SupaYoshi> what do I loose if i upgrade?
[04:22] <SupaYoshi> installed software wise, and so?
[04:22] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: the partitioning scheme (MSDOS or GPT), the boot style (BIOS, UEFI, Coreboot),  where GRUB has put its core.img, all those mean different actions are needed to save the boot config so as to have a bootable backup
[04:23] <TJ-> Acerio: same as earlier versions; 'gpg'
[04:23] <SupaYoshi> TJ-, yeah that is why i like clonezilla. I just looked for clonezilla that would likely be online
[04:23] <SupaYoshi> hehe
[04:23] <SupaYoshi> are there risks upgrading to 14.04?
[04:24] <ryao-phone> The short answer is yes
[04:24] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: if you've got system config customisations, those might confuse the upgrade scripts and require manual intervention. There may be a few packages that are no longer in the archives but that's unusual except for unmaintained stuff
[04:25] <hch> i have for first thing in my life get license for my own OS, which is ubuntu xfce4 with apache4 and mysql. I have it inc
[04:25] <ryao-phone> If the filesystem is corrupt, you upgrading will make a bad situation worse.
[04:26] <hch> where can i get a gui?
[04:26] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: the point of LTS<>LTS upgrades being supported is, the package .preinst .postinst scripts have been manually coded to handle any differences between the 12.04 and 14.04 package configurations, so for the most part it should work. Any changes requiring your later action will be reported to you, so don't ignore them
[04:26] <TSS> sudo apt-get intsall xfce
[04:26] <TSS> or sudo apt-get install gnome3
[04:27] <hch> but it a db now....
[04:27] <hch> sorry try now
[04:27] <TJ-> hch: 'ubuntu xfce4' - do you mean Xubuntu ?
[04:27] <TSS> are you just looking for a gui?
[04:27] <hch> yes xubuntu
[04:27] <lol> hi
[04:27] <TSS> what os do you have?
[04:27] <TJ-> hch: the 'GUI' is automatically installed and started when the system boots
[04:28] <Acerio> I still cannot figure out how to get a PGP key. With older versions of Ubuntu, it was MUCH easier
[04:28] <hch> it becasue i build in gigolo db
[04:29] <TSS> Sorry what? Are you saying you compiled your own OS?
[04:29] <TJ-> hch: hmmm, do you mean to ask for a GUI to manage the apache and mysql services?
[04:29] <hch> yes compile
[04:30] <ryao-phone> TSS: I do. :/
[04:30] <hch> i build that, and startet root with a db os, ive compile now
[04:30] <TSS> there are no gui's for apache or MySQL that I know of
[04:30] <Pinkamena_D> I have a laptop with currently 1 ssd with 1 primary windows partition and 1 extended partition with ubuntu. Works good with grub.  I am installing an MSATA which I plan to move the windows partition to, and give more room for the ubuntu partition. Can I use grub to boot to the second drive, or must I use the bios to choose?
[04:30] <Acerio> Nevermind, I'll use command line.
[04:30] <ryao-phone> TSS: PHPMyAdmin
[04:31] <ryao-phone> TSS: CPanel
[04:31] <TJ-> hch: I'm afraid your question is not making much sense. Ubuntu doesn't require any compiling by users, the packages are all pre-compiled and linked binaries installed by the package manager, 'apt'.
[04:31] <hch> I list in c:\ then build a newone and get license, how do i buils that then?
[04:31] <ryao-phone> Are we being trolled?
[04:32] <inteus> lol
[04:32] <TJ-> hch: Whatever it is you're doing, it's clearly not an Ubuntu issue, and we only support Ubuntu issues here. Maybe they do things differently in Greenland?
[04:32] <hch> i think you are newbie...no because i have build it to a new linux without apache now.....
[04:33] <ryao-phone> what is "gigolo dub"?
[04:34] <ryao-phone> s/dub/db/
[04:34] <TSS> try ##linux
[04:34] <TJ-> ryao-phone: a promiscuous database maybe? :D
[04:34] <inteus> google doesn't come up with 'gigolo db'
[04:34] <hch> im inside linux yes
[04:35] <TJ-> hch: We only support Ubuntu issues here; anything else, please try other channels
[04:35] <TSS> type /join linux## and ask you question there
[04:35] <hch> TJ no its a ubuntu....
[04:35] <hch> TJ no its a ubuntu.... with a xfce4
[04:35] <TJ-> hch: you said you compiled something yourself. We don't support user-compiled code
[04:35] <TSS> The what is the problem?
[04:36] <tachyondecay> TJ-: Hey, I switched my SSD to AHCI mode and successfully installed Ubuntu alongside Windows without breaking Windows. Thanks for your help on Thursday and today!
[04:36] <ryao-phone> TJ-: Why do the repositories have GCC then?
[04:36] <hch> ooh my good, its because i will build another OS now with ubuntu linux kernel
[04:36] <TJ-> tachyondecay: Hey! That's fantastic to know. I'm sure we'll get other users with the same issue, I'll be sure to remember your experience
[04:37] <hch> i have something about a new os to start with
[04:38] <tachyondecay> TJ-: That topic on the forums was invaluable. I posted my particular experience there as well.
[04:38] <hch> someone told about after compile then?????
[04:38] <easyOnMe> hello
[04:38] <ryao-phone> hch: Google Linux From Scratch
[04:39] <inteus> hch: I'm not sure what you're asking. Maybe there's a language barrier here.
[04:39] <ryao-phone> I think that is what you want.
[04:39] <hch> i have seen it
[04:39] <easyOnMe> I have google chromium installed on my ubuntu as google chrome can not be installed on ubuntu
[04:39] <ryao-phone> Why can you not install chrome?
[04:39] <inteus> easyOnMe: Google Chrome can be installed on ubuntu
[04:39] <easyOnMe> how can I get the path where the chromium.sh is found
[04:39] <hch> you build me os then translate
[04:39] <easyOnMe> inteus: does it run well just like chromium
[04:40] <TJ-> ryao-phone: User's are free to do anything they want; but we cannot offer support for compiling specific projects, support here is for the standard Ubuntu installation and configuration
[04:40] <inteus> easyOnMe: chromium is just the open source version of chrome
[04:40] <hch> kipit
[04:40] <ryao-phone> TJ-: I assume that hello works builds are supported, right?
[04:40] <ryao-phone> Ugh... Autocorrect strikes again
[04:40] <TJ-> LOL *puzzled*
[04:41] <ryao-phone> s/works/world/
[04:41] <inteus> easyOnMe: http://askubuntu.com/questions/510056/how-to-install-google-chrome
[04:42] <SupaYoshi> okay making my backup now :) hehe
[04:42] <TJ-> ryao-phone: no, but depending on which helpers are around and how they're feeling they might choose to help out, but at that level the help needed is probably more on-topic in ##programming
[04:42] <easyOnMe> another thing is where do I get to see the php interpreter in my ubuntu laptop after I install it
[04:42] <easyOnMe> can anyone please help me
[04:43] <TJ-> easyOnMe: the command-line interpreter? something like "which php5" should help
[04:43] <easyOnMe> TJ-: have you use php before
[04:43] <easyOnMe> how can I upgrade my php5.6 to php7
[04:43] <TJ-> easyOnMe: Only when a gun is held to my head
[04:43] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: How do I go back from "(END)" in the terminal?
[04:43] <ryao-phone> TJ-: The Ubuntu community never ceases to amaze me in how limited its community support in IRC is. I am used to other distributions helping with the basics of things like compiling
[04:44] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: are you in the 'less' pager?
[04:44] <easyOnMe> TJ-: what the lol
[04:44] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: press 'q'
[04:44] <easyOnMe> has anyone tried using php7 here
[04:44] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: That worked! :D
[04:44] <ryao-phone> Anyway, I am beyond needing help with such things. :)
[04:44] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: to save yourself grief later: "man less"
[04:45] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: What do I do now? "Configuration file '/etc/issue'" "Configuration file '/etc/issue'==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation.==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version.What would you like to do about it ?  Your options are:"
[04:45] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: I've never seen that message before and now I'm scared.
[04:45] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: look at the 'diff' decide if you need to keep your local version, or can accept the new package version
[04:46] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: what command did you use to get to that situation?
[04:46] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: That's what I did (D), but I couldn't translate it.
[04:46] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: "sudo apt-get upgrade" after installing kdenlive.
[04:46] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: I can't think what would need to change /etc/issue in the first place!
[04:47] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: So... do I mess anything up if I keep my current one?
[04:47] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: open a 2nd terminal and type "cat /etc/issue" and show us it
[04:47] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Okay.
[04:47] <TJ-> I'll be gone a few minutes; need a drink
[04:48] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Ubuntu 14.04 Trusty Tahr \n \l
[04:48] <easyOnMe> has anyone here tried php7
[04:49] <mgolisch> no
[04:49] <mgolisch> its still php..
[04:52] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Screw it. I choose O to keep it. Gave me errors, but I'm too sick to mess around right now. Hopefully nothing will break. :(
[04:53] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: well the existing version looks OK, but I suspect the change was to show the new 14.04.X point release
[04:54] <chadwin> hi guys an gals...
[04:54] <the_count> Bashing-om: I have news, if you are around at this unearthly hour
[04:54] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: for example, on a 14.04 system here it has "Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS \n \l"
[04:55] <TJ-> the_count: not seen him recently
[04:55] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Oh, okay. So keeping it or renewing it doesn't really matter that much? I didn't break anything now by keeping it?
[04:55] <the_count> TJ-: Ok
[04:55] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: no, the only thing is it under-reports the version number installed.
[04:56] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: But it won't mess with new updates/upgrades and such? I will still get all the latest stuff from the update manager?
[04:56] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: let me see if I can find the package that would want to update that, you could re-run it manually quite easily
[04:57] <the_count> TJ-: I don't know if you have been following my problem... But I just tuped in ' sudo service lightdm restart ' because my wifi stoped working as it does periodically, anyways, it was taking too long, so I reset the machine. Upon powering on, Graphics, mouse speed, everything had been returned to normal.. Strange I tell you
[04:57] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Thank you so much for helping, but we can leave it for NOW. I can't do much right now. :)
[04:58] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: the package the file belongs to is 'base-files' so possibly a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure base-files" would redo it
[04:58] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Okay, I will save that command on my desktop. :)
[04:58] <VictoriaXOXO> Thanks again.
[04:58] <TJ-> the_count: that sounds like a firmware glitch
[04:58] <the_count> TJ-: How's that?
[05:00] <TJ-> the_count: modern systems rely on the motherboard firmware (BIOS or UEFI), and in particular some functionality it provides/describes to the OS via ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface). ACPI in particular is a problem for Linux on some systems since the firmware programmers generally target it at Windows versions and don't provide full functionality to Linux
[05:01] <TJ-> the_count: additionally, sometimes that firmware gets itself confused by saving 'bad' parameters into its non-volatile memory. A machine reset can sometimes 'clear' that as an unintended side-effect
[05:01] <the_count> TJ-: That very well could be the case in this instance... But I am unsure how it could stay constant over multiple reboot
[05:02] <TJ-> the_count: if you do a 'clean' reboot the firmware saves config to its NV-RAM. If you hard reset, it never gets the chance to do that
[05:02] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: You do realize that people get PAID for spewing out much less detailed information? You do this for free? :P
[05:02] <the_count> TJ-: Could a reset cause the problem in the first place?
[05:03] <TJ-> the_count: it's always possible. One of the first things I recommend when there's unpredictable behaviour is to go into firmware setup and reset/load factory defaults
[05:03] <SupaYoshi> okay made the backup thnx guys :)
[05:03] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: don't forget to test it on a disposable system :)
[05:03] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: back-ups are no good unless they work
[05:03] <the_count> TJ-: Because I reset it when it was taking longer to power on than it should when Bashing-om was helping me earlier
[05:04] <the_count> VictoriaXOXO: They love doing it...
[05:04] <TJ-> the_count: who knows... software is complex, firmware is notoriously buggy in several respects, and is fire-and-forget (generally unmaintained) code
[05:04] <rypervenche> VictoriaXOXO: Probably the majority of us are here just to help. I don't even use Ubuntu.
[05:05] <VictoriaXOXO> rypervenche: What do you use?
[05:05] <the_count> TJ-: Where exactly can I find the firmware setup and reset/load the factory defaults?
[05:05] <TJ-> the_count: When the PC first powers on, there's usually a key press (Del, F2, F1 maybe) that starts the firmware setup
[05:06] <rypervenche> VictoriaXOXO: I'll PM you the response. No need to start anything off-topic.
[05:06] <the_count> TJ-: Oh... I thought you were talking about inside linux.
[05:06] <nlw> what's new
[05:06] <TJ-> the_count: no, BIOS or UEFI
[05:07] <the_count> TJ-: Got it, thanks
[05:07] <the_count> TJ-: What exactly is the issue with the BIOS vs UEFI thing... Not sure I ever fully understood it
[05:08] <nlw> control
[05:08] <TJ-> the_count: UEFI solves many of the issues that dogged BIOS for 20 years +
[05:09] <the_count> TJ-: Security being the largest, I guess/
[05:10] <TJ-> the_count: no, the largest is a decent extensible design where the user can load device drivers before any OS has started.
[05:10] <TJ-> the_count: also, having a boot-manager built in to avoid the stupid problems of OSs over-writing each others boot-loaders on the boot device
[05:11] <the_count> TJ-: Ok, Ok
[05:11] <FastOSlinux> boa noite
[05:11] <TJ-> the_count: availability of a very powerfull command-line shell, like bash
[05:11] <the_count> TJ-: Is this built into UEFI?
[05:11] <TJ-> the_count: yes
[05:12] <the_count> TJ-: How do you access it?
[05:13] <TJ-> the_count: some manufacturers don't include the module, or only provide a limited shell, but because UEFI is extensible you can load it yourself. The most used shell comes from Intel's open-source Tianocore EFI Dev Kit v2 (EDK2) and is called shellx64.efi
[05:14] <TJ-> the_count: I install it in the EFI-SP by default. You can get it from the Tainocore project at http://sourceforge.net/p/tianocore/edk2/ci/dd805dfd04535b9820be03f8402f8ee48457790b/tree/ShellBinPkg/UefiShell/X64/Shell.efi
[05:15] <TJ-> the_count: I generally rename it on a fixed disk install to the simple boot-path /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI so that if the boot manager loses/forgets/deletes the installed OSs the system will auto-boot to that shell, where things can be repaired
[05:16] <ogz> hi, is xfce much faster than unity. I have a 2GB ram laptop, that is also made for 64 bit. Should i go for 32 / 64 bit and xfce or unity
[05:16] <the_count> TJ-: Wow, I didn't realize this even existed, what type of things can you do with it as per system administration/fixing up systems, etc...
[05:16] <azizLIGHT> The upgrade needs a total of 92.5 M free space on disk '/boot'. Please free at least an additional 41.0 M of disk space on '/boot'. Empty your trash and remove temporary packages of former installations using 'sudo apt-get clean'.
[05:16] <azizLIGHT> if i do this will i be unable to boot
[05:17] <azizLIGHT> i use luks encrypted LVM partitions
[05:17] <TJ-> the_count: access, read/write to file systems, add/edit UEFI boot menu entries, manually load other EFI modules (e.g. device drivers I mentioned earlier), and generally everything you need in an emergency situation. It has tools for examining memory and many other functions
[05:18] <the_count> TJ-: So, say I need a driver for Windows, but cannot install it, may I load it with this?
[05:19] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: sounds like the PC has a separate /boot/ file-system that has filled up with older kernel versions. You might want to identify those "dpkg -l 'linux-image*' " and remove the older ones
[05:19] <azizLIGHT> TJ-: if i remove those images, will grub be rebuilt properly so that i can actually boot? how do i ensure this
[05:20] <TJ-> the_count: no; the drivers are firmware drivers, so for example the system may have a special adapter plugged into one of its PCIe ports that the motherboard firmware doesn't know how to work, so you could load a driver provided by the device maker and you'd be able to access it, maybe boot from it
[05:20] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: The idea is to keep the last 2 known good kernel versions, but if there's say 8 kernels installed remove the oldest 6
[05:21] <azizLIGHT> TJ-: ive done this before and i was unable to dual boot anymore.
[05:21] <azizLIGHT> TJ-: so what precautions should i take
[05:21] <the_count> TJ-: How are these loaded typically, the firmware drivers?
[05:21] <TJ-> the_count: if you want to know more see http://www.uefi.org/about/
[05:22] <azizLIGHT> TJ-: i removed old kernel images, and when grub config was rebuilt with remaining kernel images, for some reason, windows was not detected and was not added to the boot menu in grub, and i  had to do research to figure out how to fix it (none of which i saved unfortunately)
[05:22] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: removing older kernels won't affect dual-boot. As I said, you don't remove the known-good currently booting kernel version.
[05:22] <azizLIGHT> TJ-: would it affect dual-boot because of luks
[05:23] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: discovery of other OSes is done by os-prober, which is called by GRUB's /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober script.
[05:23] <azizLIGHT> i see
[05:24] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: disabling os-prober is generally achieved by adding "GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true" to /etc/default/grub. Other than that, it should run. This all assumes the devices with the other OS are available of course
[05:24] <azizLIGHT> TJ-: if you have some time, can you check this diff of grub.cfg. the original is where i couldnt dual boot, and the new one is where eveything works properly: https://www.diffchecker.com/hasdolhn
[05:24] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: you can call it manually to test "sudo os-prober" to be sure Windows is discovered
[05:25] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Since you seem to know everything (not trying to be rude), do you know of some easy way to automatically close Firefox (or any browser) as soon as the VPN connection fails? Like a kill switch?
[05:25] <azizLIGHT> im not sure why efi.signed is not there in those filenames?
[05:25] <azizLIGHT> among other differences in between those files
[05:25] <azizLIGHT> what happened that i got that file
[05:25] <azizLIGHT> instead of the one on the right
[05:26] <the_count> TJ-: One last question, With this shell, or even, grub may be a better option, can you make them redetect the operating systems currently installed?
[05:26] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: look at line 289-290
[05:26] <azizLIGHT> theres nothing there
[05:26] <azizLIGHT> for os prober
[05:26] <azizLIGHT> (on the left)
[05:27] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: notice that 30_os-prober ran but didn't insert anything, which infers the OS signature couldn't be found for some reason
[05:28] <azizLIGHT> this is what im trying to avoid. why would this happen and how do i prevent it? id liketo learn enough about this to understand it myself
[05:28] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: you'd have to dig deeper on the system to figure out why that happened, but as the system appears to be UEFI, the mobo boot-manager should be handling the boot menu operation
[05:28] <azizLIGHT> TJ-: do you mean to say i should not use grub for the dual boot
[05:28] <azizLIGHT> TJ-: like, use seperate hdds for each os?
[05:29] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: I wouldn't, since one of the major improvements UEFI delivers is to have it manage the boot menu and not have the OSs fighting over that
[05:29] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: no, you don't need separate drives
[05:30] <azizLIGHT> hmm interesting
[05:31] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: the way UEFI works is, it expects to find an EFI System Partition on the boot device, which is a relatively small (<512MB) FAT16/32 file-system, containing EFI exectuables installed by each OS that wants boot services. Those OSs also add an entry to the UEFI Boot Menu so the firmware boot manager can offer the OS choice itself, and load the correct OS EFI boot manager code from the EFI-SP, which
[05:31] <TJ-> then goes on to load the remainder of the OS
[05:32] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: using that system, GRUB only needs to 'worry' about the Linux kernels for the distro it was installed from
[05:32] <azizLIGHT> ahhhhhh
[05:32] <azizLIGHT> i see what you mean now
[05:32] <azizLIGHT> so does ubuntu offer EFI executuables to UEFI?
[05:32] <TJ-> The Linux kernel can be booted directly as n EFI exectuable too, so soon we'll be able to do away with GRUB
[05:33] <azizLIGHT> is this not common today?
[05:33] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: correct, on an UEFI system the grub-efi packages are installed, which include files to be put in the EFI-SP
[05:33] <azizLIGHT> very interesting
[05:34] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: not as yet; there's a lot of legacy stuff to deal with and inertia, but its possible and some distros do provide tools to install that way
[05:36] <azizLIGHT> earlier i mentioned individual os on seperate hdds. i read that people do this to avoid dual booting via grub or having another OS takever boot records
[05:36] <azizLIGHT> this was for before UEFI i think
[05:36] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: that was the issue for BIOS firmware; UEFI in EFI mode doesn't suffer that
[05:37] <TJ-> for UEFI in CSM/legacy mode (Compatibility Support Module) the same can apply
[05:37] <azizLIGHT> what happens if you have multiple drives under UEFI? does only 1 hdd need the EFI executables for OS which may or maynot be on the same hdds?
[05:37] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: as long as the EFI-SP has space, you can install OSs that all have separate, non-conflicting, boot loaders
[05:38] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: correct, there only needs to be 1 EFI-SP on the primary disk
[05:38] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: that doesn't prevent putting one on another disk, the boot menu entries store the path to the device the boot loader EFI executable is on
[05:39] <azizLIGHT> hmmm
[05:39] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: You don't know? :(
[05:40] <azizLIGHT> i could go on asking questions, ill stop now heh
[05:40] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: don't know what?
[05:40] <azizLIGHT> TJ-: i appreciate all your answers, thank you very much
[05:40] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Since you seem to know everything (not trying to be rude), do you know of some easy way to automatically close Firefox (or any browser) as soon as the VPN connection fails? Like a kill switch?
[05:40] <azizLIGHT> VictoriaXOXO: ive seen that sort of stuff on google
[05:41] <azizLIGHT> i dont know if theres an easy way
[05:41] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: you'd need to start FF from a wrapper script that kept tabs on the VPN status, but why would you want to close the browser?
[05:42] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: I don't want to miss the VPN disconnecting and then continue to surf with my regular ISP. :(
[05:42] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: oh, well that's easy to prevent
[05:42] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: simply don't assign a default gateway for the network connection, so there's no default route in the kernel's routing table.
[05:43] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: when the VPN comes up it'd add a default route into its tunnel, and when the tunnel closes the default route would be removed, leaving the PC unable to do default routing
[05:44] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Hmmmmm. I'm not entirely sure I understand, but I'm saving everything you just said.
[05:44] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: that'd just require a specific manual route in the routing table for the VPN's public endpoint so the PC could connect to it and create the VPN to begin with, of course :)
[05:44] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: I could explain it in 30 seconds on a whiteboard; on IRC we'd probably need 30 minutes :)
[05:45] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Oh, darn it. :P
[05:45] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Japanese to me, I'm afraid.
[05:45] <cimbakahn> Hello!
[05:46] <cimbakahn> I can't find anyone at #lubuntu.  Can i get help here?
[05:46] <nill> nilesh
[05:46] <nill> hii
[05:47] <cimbakahn> Hello!
[05:57] <cimbakahn> I can't find anyone at any of the lubuntu rooms.  Can i get help here?
[05:59] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: rough whiteboard diagram: http://imgur.com/TsREQsu
[06:00] <robotics_> hello everyone, need your help in resolving a question. In Ubuntu when a program is installed (i can see it in the main searching window) if later i want to change it's location path where should make changes in order it stays visible in that searching window?
[06:00] <robotics_> excuse me for my poor English :(
[06:01] <cimbakahn> I don't know.
[06:01] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Oh?! You did it! :D
[06:02] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Okay, I'm saving that baby. Need time to decipher it. ;)
[06:02] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: it needs some explanation but my hand got tired (my whiteboard is on a wall/ceiling join and the dogs were in the way) :)
[06:03] <debug0x1> #dns
[06:03] <zachoooo> Can someone take a look at my bash script. I included the error at the bottom: http://pastebin.com/KhLBViDk
[06:03] <debug0x1> #powerdns
[06:03] <debug0x1> oops
[06:03] <zachoooo> On my script I plan on replacing those numbers with 90
[06:04] <zachoooo> So I can see if my disk usage is over 90%
[06:04] <cimbakahn> I am looking at this page, and i am confused ----> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
[06:04] <cimbakahn> I am looking for something in between the bare minimum install and the full install.  And i want a graphical installer.  Can anyone help?
[06:04] <cimbakahn> Which download do i click on?
[06:04] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: I'll pester you about it some other night after looking at it some more.
[06:05] <TJ-> zachoooo: "if" not "If"
[06:05] <cimbakahn> I also want the newest one.
[06:05] <zachoooo> TJ, case sensitive?
[06:05] <TJ-> zachoooo: yes
[06:05] <TJ-> zachoooo: see "man bash"
[06:05] <zachoooo> Otherwise does it look correct?
[06:07] <TJ-> zachoooo: No, your use of ${varname::-XXXX} is wrong. I think you meant to use ${varname:-XXXX}
[06:09] <TJ-> zachoooo: you could also lose the need for 'tail -n 1' by doing " | awk '{V=$5}END{print V}' "  I think (you want the last line)
[06:09] <mathi>  
[06:10] <zachoooo> TJ, the script for removing the percentage sign seems to work and it seems to be capturing the correct part.  What would changing it to that do?
 Which download do i click on? <<<<< download http://packages.ubuntu.com/wily/lubuntu-core and once that is installed run /sudo apt-get update, and /sudo apt-get upgrade. after that run/sudo apt-get xfce.
[06:11] <VictoriaXOXO> TSS: If he uses webchat, he won't get a notification when you type his nick like that.
[06:11] <azizLIGHT> ive got nvidia-352 installed from graphics-drivers ppa, i noticed the ppa also has nvidia-358. how come i dont have this?
[06:11] <cimbakahn> sudo apt-get xfce ?  You mean for the Xfce desktop?
[06:11] <TSS> how should I put his name then?
[06:11] <cimbakahn> I wanted LXDE.
[06:11] <VictoriaXOXO> TSS: Nevermind. He saw it.
[06:11] <TSS> yes cim
[06:11] <TJ-> zachoooo: your -gt tests might be tripped up by the % sign too. You can lose the entire use of awk/tail with "xxxx=$(df --output=pcent /home)" too
[06:12] <zachoooo> I removed the percentage sign
[06:12] <TJ-> zachoooo: Ohhh! the ::- is the search/replace ?
[06:12] <TSS> run /sudo purge xfce, and then run/sudo apt-get lxde
[06:12] <zachoooo> TJ that part just strips the last character
[06:12] <zachoooo> So 6% becomes 6, 60% becomes 60
[06:13] <VictoriaXOXO> cimbakahn: Yes, follow what TSS told you to do. That's what I would've done.
[06:13] <TJ-> zachoooo: right, I didn't relise you were doing the :offset:length
[06:14] <TSS> oops. sorry to get rid of xfce un the folling command /sudo aptitude purge xfce4 desktop-base exo-utils gtk2-engines-xfce libexo-1-0 libexo-common
[06:14] <zachoooo> The script seems to be working. I'm just a total noob so I don't want to make some major mistake and reduce my dedi to nothing ness
[06:15] <TJ-> zachoooo: if you're monitoring for space, you might want to monitor the inodes too
[06:15] <zachoooo> Forgive me, but what is that?
[06:15] <TJ-> zachoooo: not unusual for a FS to run out of inodes with lots of small files, yet have plenty of space
[06:16] <TJ-> zachoooo: "df --output=ipcent"
[06:17] <zachoooo> It looks like the inodes are linked to files.  So I have to delete more files if the inodes fill up as well?
[06:18] <TJ-> zachoooo: yes, generally if you expect a lot of smaller files on larger file-systems its worth setting the inode total to a larger than default value when creating the file-system
[06:19] <cimbakahn> amd64 or i386  I have a 64bit computer.
[06:20] <zachoooo> I see. I did not create the file system, nor am I expecting an unusually large number of small files. It's just a game server for me and my friends. It has CS:GO, Gmod, Minecraft, Team speak,  and a seedbox on it.
[06:20] <zachoooo> Jeez maybe I should have gone with windows, but then again this is cheaper and I'm learning how to use linux
[06:21] <TJ-> zachoooo: should be OK then, but when monitoring it helps to monitor everything that could cause issues. We see a lot of users reporting mystery 'no space' messages but got plenty of space left in the FS, and it turns out to be inodes are exhausted
[06:21] <cimbakahn> product: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T6600  @ 2.20GHz
[06:22] <cimbakahn> amd64 or i386  I have a 64bit computer.
[06:22] <zachoooo> I see. I wish there was a system that already had the monitoring built in and just sent you an email if anything is unusual
[06:22] <TJ-> zachoooo: there probably is! Debian/Ubuntu have something like 30,000+ packages in thei archives, they cover almost everything you could imagine
[06:24] <zachoooo> TJ, most of the stuff I see is a script just like what i setup. It is not an apt-get package that does anything beyond that.,
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: whats your issue?
[06:29] <TJ-> !info durep | zacc
[06:29] <cimbakahn> Which install do i choose?  amd64 or i386  I have a 64bit computer.
[06:29] <cimbakahn> product: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T6600  @ 2.20GHz
[06:29] <TJ-> cimbakahn: how much RAM does the PC have?
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: 64bit ubuntu if your architecture is 64bit
[06:30] <cimbakahn> 4GB
[06:30] <TJ-> cimbakahn: amd64
[06:30] <cimbakahn> Thank you!
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: and you can choose LTS for a stable experience
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> !lts > cimbakahn
[06:31] <cimbakahn> Why does the buntu sites have to be so confusing?
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: are you kidding?
[06:31] <TJ-> cimbakahn: because there are lots of choices
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: ubuntu is very easy to use
[06:32] <TJ-> cimbakahn: what's correct for you might not be for someone else
[06:32] <BlastRed> HI
[06:32] <cimbakahn> Wily is supposed to be LTS, yes?
[06:32] <BlastRed> is anyone online? i am in need of assistance.
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: no
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> ask your issue mate BlastRed
[06:32] <intent> I looked in /etc/passwd and there are a ton of users. I thought we had done a minimal impression so I am surprised by some of them - are users like "games, news, irc, landscape" necessary or can I delete them, and is there a way to find out what users should be there?
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: read the LTS trigger
[06:33] <BlastRed> I need help with formatting a disk; i have accidentally burned a wrong thing on it. any way i can format it with terminal? as it doesnt let me in disks
[06:33] <BlastRed> i can easily do this with windows; but i cant at the moment :/
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: 14.04.3 is latest LTS
[06:34] <cimbakahn> LTS trigger?
[06:34] <TJ-> intent: those 'users' are system accounts pre-defined for various services, to ensure those services don't need to run as root
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> BlastRed: want to format a harddisk from terminal
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> !lts | cimbakahn
[06:35] <BlastRed> not the hard disk, just a disk i put in my computer :0
[06:35] <BlastRed> :I
[06:35] <TJ-> BlastRed: 'burned' to a disk? what kind of disk?
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> cd?dvd?minidisc>?
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> floppy?
[06:35] <BlastRed> i think i meant to say disc? its just a normal 4.7 gb disc i burned something on i want to format and remove :^I
[06:35] <cimbakahn> trusty?
[06:36] <TJ-> BlastRed: so, a rewritable DVD?
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: yes, would be a good choice, if you want long time support
[06:36] <BlastRed> si
[06:36] <BlastRed> Yes.
[06:36] <cimbakahn> I thought they had a newer LTS.
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: xenial is comming in april 2016
[06:36] <BlastRed> Oh yeah. Yes TJ-
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> !dvd | BlastRed
[06:37] <TJ-> BlastRed: see "man dvd+rw-format"
[06:37] <BlastRed> i put that interminal?
[06:37] <BlastRed> ubottu:  haha... thats not what i meant...
[06:38] <TJ-> !growisofs | BlastRed this package contains dvd+rw-format
[06:38] <TJ-> !info growisofs | BlastRed this package contains dvd+rw-format
[06:38] <BlastRed> Ok.
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: +1 tool
[06:38] <BlastRed> Whats the diffference, TJ-
[06:38] <TJ-> BlastRed: difference between what?
[06:39] <intent> TJ-: thanks
[06:39] <cimbakahn> I here there are 3 lubuntu.  A bare minimum one.  The full install.  And one in between.
[06:39] <BlastRed> TJ-:  the two growisofs
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: it all depends what you want to do?
[06:39] <cimbakahn> What is the one called that is in between?  I just want to be sure.
[06:40] <TJ-> BlastRed: I mistyped and so the 'bot didn't auto-describe the package, the first time
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: if you want to test lubuntu, just use regular install not minimal
[06:40] <BlastRed> i put what you said in terminal and i got: bash: !info: event not found
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> !flavors | cimbakahn
[06:40] <BlastRed> sorry if im not listening correctly im fairly new to ubuntu
[06:41] <TJ-> BlastRed: no, that's not for the terminal, that was for here in IRC
[06:41] <TJ-> BlastRed: see "man dvd+rw-format"
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> BlastRed: without the quotes "
[06:41] <TJ-> BlastRed: THATS for the terminal, if you have the 'growisofs' package installed
[06:41] <BlastRed> Okay i see it...
[06:41] <BlastRed> i ... am still lost :/
[06:42] <cimbakahn> It reads:  A full install includes all the packages which are shipped by default with the standard Lubuntu installation; such as web browsers, mail clients and office programs. Lubuntu minimal and core contains a more stripped-down graphical environment.  So there are 3 of them.
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> BlastRed: you can install packages with: sudo apt-get install your-package-name
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: ask yourself what you really want?
[06:42] <BlastRed> lotuspsychje:  i know
[06:42] <TJ-> BlastRed: you asked how to re-format a DVD re-writable. I gave you the manual page of the tool to do that
[06:42] <pankaj> hih
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: minimal is a more expert install that most users dont need
[06:43] <BlastRed> TJ-: i know it doesnt make sense terminal is confusing to me haha... :^|
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> pankaj: welcome, how can we assist you?
[06:44] <TJ-> BlastRed: Linux is all about having the power of the terminal, and the shell, at your command
[06:44] <BlastRed> yeah
[06:44] <cimbakahn> Since it reads A full install, minimal and core, there are 3.  I want the one in the middle.
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: again, ask yourself why you want that?
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: for most users the full install is reccomended
[06:45] <cimbakahn> Because most OSes come with a bunch of programs i don't want.
[06:45] <BlastRed> 'mint@mint ~ $ dvd+rw-format -force /dev/sr0 * BD/DVD�RW/-RAM format utility by <appro@fy.chalmers.se>, version 7.1. :-( mounted media doesn't appear to be DVD�RW, DVD-RAM or Blu-ray
[06:45] <BlastRed> ??? what did i do wrong?
[06:45] <cimbakahn> This way i can do my own.
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: you can, but if you choose minimal you will encouter other problems you didnt expect
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: better choose full install, and uninstall packages you dotn wanna use
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> BlastRed: your on ubuntu mint?
[06:46] <BlastRed> yes.
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> !mint | BlastRed
[06:47] <BlastRed> ok
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> BlastRed: install an ubuntu version from topic mate
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> BlastRed: it will make you a nice experience
[06:47] <BlastRed> ok
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> BlastRed: i would reccomend ubuntu 14.04.3 desktop and try the tools TJ- suggested
[06:48] <BlastRed> i had that on my live cd
[06:48] <BlastRed> right now im on my live usb
[06:48] <TJ-> 'dvd+rw-mediainfo' will tell you what the media in the device is
[06:48] <cimbakahn> What about the one on this page ----> http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/lubuntu-desktop  It doesn't look like it is too minimal, and it doesn't look like the full install either.
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: your diggint to deep mate, you browsing on 12.04 now
[06:49] <TJ-> cimbakahn: for pities sake, you could have installed the full image 30 times instead of worrying over which one :D
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: take our advise and choose a flavor and full install
[06:50] <cimbakahn> That page is for wily, (the newest).
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: its not
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: do you want stable and 5 years support, or 9 months support non-lts?
[06:53] <TJ-> cimbakahn: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu/LTS and choose the 'Standard PC', PC 64-bit option
[06:56] <cimbakahn> If i choose trusty, i'll be in the same boat that i am right now, and i don't want that.  Trusty holds back too many things that i need.
[06:56] <TJ-> cimbakahn: OK, so choose the Wily image then!
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: define 'holds back'?
[06:58] <cimbakahn> Newer versions of programs that i absolutely need.
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: you just told us you dont want many programs
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: now you want the latest ones?
[06:59] <cimbakahn> I realize that, but the ones i do use have to be certain versions, the newest.
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: ok then choose wily as TJ- suggested
[07:06] <plumbus> noob question. there's a site for this package i want to install with a link that says PPA and links to a .deb file. what do i do to install it?
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> !ppa | plumbus
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: what package are we talking about?
[07:08] <plumbus> lotuspsychje: https://bitbucket.org/rude/love/downloads/love_0.9.2ppa1_amd64.deb
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> !info love
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: this one? ^
[07:09] <plumbus> yeah
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: use sudo apt-get install love from your terminal
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: that will install the right version for your ubuntu version
[07:09] <plumbus> lotuspsychje: so it's not a ppa?
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: the website can have ppa's yes to obtain latest packages
[07:10] <MrCeeIII> ok i cant sleep.... what we talking about?
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: but its reccomended to use version for your ubuntu version
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | MrCeeIII
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: wich ubuntu version do you have?
[07:11] <MrCeeIII> i dont know how to change rooms
[07:11] <MrCeeIII> im a noob
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> MrCeeIII: type /join #yourchannel
[07:11] <plumbus> lotuspsychje: so let's say i wanted the latest one, what would i do? would i `apt-add-repository <debfile>` ?
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: we dont support ppa's officially mate
[07:12] <MrCeeIII> how can i see what differnt channels are out here
[07:12] <TheRinger_>  type /list
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> !alis | MrCeeIII
[07:12] <MrCeeIII> !alis
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: wich ubuntu version are you on?
[07:12] <MrCeeIII> that did nothing
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> MrCeeIII: read it first
[07:12] <MrCeeIII> huh
[07:13] <plumbus> lotuspsychje: i understand that ppas aren't `officially supported` but how would i use the command line to install the ppa?
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> MrCeeIII: /msg alis list....
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: if you understand we dont support it, please dont ask howto
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: it can get your system in trouble
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> !latest | plumbus
[07:15] <plumbus> lotuspsychje: i understand that it could screw my system, but i'm using a vm with snapshots. i guess i'll go somewhere else to ask the general question "how do i install a ppa package from a deb file?"
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: if you absolutely want a newer 'love' try ubuntu 15.10 or daily image 16.04
[07:15] <MrCeeIII> !alis ####testing
[07:15] <MrCeeIII> test
[07:15] <MrCeeIII> where am i
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: we dont support ppa's here, we have to follow the rules mate
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: maybe the ##linux guys can help, but you might hear the same that ppa's are at own risk
[07:16] <MrCeeIII> -alis ####testing
[07:16] <plumbus> k mate
[07:16] <MrCeeIII> where am i now
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> !msgthebot | MrCeeIII
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> MrCeeIII: please dont spam text in this channel
[07:18] <MrCeeIII> how do i change channels
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> MrCeeIII: /join #freenode and ask there please
[07:20] <MrCeeIII> im learning here... how do i see a list of channels
[07:20] <plumbus> lotuspsychje: I have a feeling that he's a troll
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> MrCeeIII: dont use this channel for network questions
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: good feeling :p
[07:21] <MrCeeIII> not a troll people just trying to learn somethings... i guess you aholes dont like helping people
[07:22] <plumbus> MrCeeIII: go away chesapoke
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> MrCeeIII: you need to learn in the right channel, this is ubuntu support
[07:22] <MrCeeIII> asking questions in freenode now.. thanks for nothing
[07:51] <lukas__> Hello.
[07:53] <fsociety> hi
[07:54] <Guest49033> ...
[08:24] <nitish> how can i ping a website?
[08:24] <TJ-> nitish: you can't.
[08:24] <Devaj> type ping <website>
[08:24] <TJ-> nitish: you can test whether an HTTP/S server responds, and you can 'ping' a host
[08:25] <Devaj> okay
[08:26] <nitish> TJ- how can I test that an http/s server responding or not with ping?
[08:27] <Devaj> why can't i connect to other irc servers?
[08:28] <TJ-> nitish: you can't. You can "ping 1.2.3.4" or "ping hostname.domain.tld" to test if a host will respond to ICMP requests. You can test an HTTP service on a host with something like "curl http://hostname.domain.tld/"
[08:29] <Devaj> you are nitish right?
[08:30] <Devaj> indian?
[08:38] <pers3us> nitish: Try telnet. http://www.esqsoft.com/examples/troubleshooting-http-using-telnet.htm
[08:38] <nitish> pers3us: ok. thanks
[08:45] <dfas> hi
[08:45] <nitish> How can I use screen saver in 14.04 lts?
[08:46] <SCHAAP137> !screensaver | nitish
[08:47] <nitish> SCHAAP137: is that mean there is no screensaver?
[08:47] <SCHAAP137> no, i thought the bot would have a story ready, but it doesn't
[08:48] <SCHAAP137> there is a screensaver built-in i believe
[08:48] <SCHAAP137> or you could use xscreensaver
[08:49] <SCHAAP137> i prefer xscreensaver, has some really cool presets
[08:49] <dfas> can anyone help me with this problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/13440755/
[08:49] <SCHAAP137> the 'BSOD' one is great
[08:50] <nitish> SCHAAP137: there is no inbuilt screensave in 14.04. right now i am installing xscreensaver.
[08:50] <nitish> SCHAAP137: what is BSOD?
[08:50] <wmorri> dfas, is this an ubuntu problem?
[08:50] <pers3us> An OT question, which IRC clients do you guys prefer?
[08:51] <SCHAAP137> pers3us: i use Hexchat
[08:51] <SCHAAP137> nitish: one of the presets in xscreensaver, it shows fake crashes from different OSs
[08:51] <pers3us> SCHAAP137: It has ugly UI though :(
[08:51] <pers3us> I had to switch back to weechat ..
[08:51] <SCHAAP137> nitish: like bluescreen from windows, system errors from Mac OS, various UNIXes, etc
[08:52] <pers3us> nitish: Why do you need screensaver for? :)
[08:52] <SCHAAP137> pers3us: on my server without GUI, i use irssi
[08:52] <SCHAAP137> weechat is good as well i think, never used it
[08:52] <nitish> pers3us: Just for not to be boar when I am nothing doing in my ubuntu.
[08:53] <pers3us> i found it better than irssi..
[08:53] <pers3us> nitish: okay, you are using Unity right? IIRC it had some screensaver option.
[08:54] <SCHAAP137> nitish: after installation, put 'xscreensaver -no-splash' in your autostartup applications
[08:54] <SCHAAP137> there might already be another screensaver in there autostarting, you can disable & replace that one
[08:54] <pers3us> SCHAAP137: Unity has screensavers right?
[08:54] <nitish> SCHAAP137: I don't need auto startup of screen-saver.
[08:55] <SCHAAP137> nitish: for the daemon, otherwise it will not activate when idling
[08:55] <SCHAAP137> pers3us: yes i think so
[08:55] <SCHAAP137> pers3us: i use MATE here
[08:55] <pers3us> nitish: Is your Ubuntu a default install? Or have you changed something?
[08:56] <pers3us> SCHAAP137: E17 here :P
[08:58] <nitish> what is 'unity' command? I just used it and my system got hanged.
[08:59] <nitish> while downloading a package my system hanged and I had to shut it down focefully. now while I am tryping to install that package again I am getting this: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct problem.
[09:03] <wmorri> nitish, what were you downloading?
[09:04] <nitish> wmorri: its fixed by running this "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[09:05] <nitish> I just downloaded xscreensaver when i run it its gone and while i am trying to run it again its showing its running already. How can I change setting of it?
[09:05] <pers3us> nitish: you didn't answer my original query. Is your Ubuntu a default install? i.e. Unity?
[09:06] <nitish> pers3us: i didn't understand.
[09:06] <nitish> pers3us: I have dual boot. win 8.1 and ubuntu 14.04 lts.
[09:07] <nitish> i used to download mostly with terminal.
[09:07] <pers3us> nitish: Are you running the default Ubuntu UI?
[09:08] <pers3us> which I presume you are, then there should be an option of screensaver in there, and you don't have to download any package for that.
[09:08] <nitish> pers3us: Yes, currently I am using default UI. I changed it once while I had 12.10. now I forgotten how I did that.
[09:08] <nitish> pers3us: how can I change the default ui of ubuntu?
[09:09] <pers3us> nitish: Read up on Desktop Environments in Ubuntu http://askubuntu.com/questions/65083/what-kinds-of-desktop-environments-and-shells-are-available
[09:12] <nitish> how can I set timing in xscreensaver?
[09:12] <hubbunny> hey lads, I'm trying to install barnyard2 alongside snort on ubuntu 14.04 but I'm running into an error thats looking for a daq.h file  #include <daq.h> I'm unsure how to resolve can anyone help? Error in full: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13441202/
[09:13] <SCHAAP137> nitish: use xscreensaver-demo
[09:13] <SCHAAP137> it's a kind of control panel
[09:14] <pers3us> hubbunny: sudo apt-get install libdaq-dev
[09:14] <nitish> SCHAAP137: When I click on preview option its giving error.
[09:15] <kpz> i changed python version and software center dosen't work now
[09:15] <hubbunny> pers3us, thanks I'll try that
[09:15] <nitish> SCHAAP137: xscreensaver-demo is showing screensaver in only small screen. I need it in full screen.
[09:16] <hubbunny> pers3us, thanks a mill bro. I couldve sworn I tried that but anyway must not. cheers
[09:16] <pers3us> hubbunny: Pretty much every single such error has a dependent lib that you need to have in the system. so if it is "daq.h" look for "daq" in apt cache. apt-cache search daq
[09:16] <pers3us> hubbunny: happy to help :)
[09:16] <Madura> Hi, I bought a new laptop(DELL Latitude E5440) with genuine windows. I have created bootable pendrive with ubuntu 14.04 and installed ubuntu successfully and removed windows(I only want ubuntu). After installation I changed the boot sequence. after that I'm getting "No boot device found. Press any key to reboot the machine". how can I resolved this problem ?
[09:16] <hubbunny> pers3us, great a solid tip to remember for a n00b. thanks again.
[09:17] <pers3us> Madura: Do you have any external drive attached to your system? Also, what do you mean by you changed boot sequence
[09:17] <nitish> how can I stop a running application from terminal?
[09:18] <pers3us> nitish: ps -ef |grep <application-name-or-part of name>
[09:18] <pers3us> find the PID
[09:18] <pers3us> and sudo kill -9 pid
[09:19] <SCHAAP137> just Ctrl C to break/abort something works as well
[09:24] <Madura> Hi pers3us, No there is no any drives attached to my system
[09:25] <Madura> I'm sory, I was disconnected.
[09:25] <pers3us> Madura: What do you mean you modified boot sequence?
[09:26] <nitish> can I install twitter client?
[09:28] <msev-> what do i need installed so i can run this https://github.com/mrgilving/arduinoGPSNavigator/blob/master/images/bmp2hex.py
[09:29] <Madura> when restart my machine, I went to bios using f2 key, and I changed boot sequence by putting hard drive down and flash drive up
[09:29] <nitish> How can I install latest version of wine?
[09:33] <Madura> pers3us I have enabled lagacy option
[09:34] <pers3us> Madura: You have already installed Ubuntu right?
[09:34] <Madura> pers3us: Yes. it was successfully installed and shown a restart machine prompt
[09:35] <cfhowlett> !latest | nitish
[09:35] <pers3us> Madura: Hmm, if it is efi boot, I have no idea about it.
[09:36] <Madura> pers3us : when I restart machine when flash drive is pluged, its booting from flash drive and ask me to to reinstall it
[09:36] <nitish> ubottu: how can I install wine? ps: I know you are a bot. dot't tell me that again.
[09:37] <pers3us> Madura: Which is expected, as your first boot option is from flash drive. I guess the bootloader didn't install correctly.
[09:37] <pers3us> nitish: apt-cache search wine
[09:38] <Madura> pers3us : how can I fix this ?
[09:38] <pers3us> Madura: Boot using pendrive, then reinstall grub. See if that works.
[09:39] <pers3us> Madura: Terminal > sudo apt-get install grub && sudo update-grub
[09:40] <Madura> pers3us : OK. thanx, I'm tring it now. I will let you know the result. thanx again.
[09:41] <pers3us> Madura: Cool. I am around, let me know if it works
[09:41] <slicepaperwords> this might be more of an hp question, but does anyone know how to scan to computer? I cant figure it out
[09:41] <cfhowlett> slicepaperwords, xsane
[09:42] <pers3us> cfhowlett: Isn't there a default app for that in Ubuntu? :)
[09:42] <cfhowlett> pers3us, last I heard, xsane IS the default app, but it's possible that there's an HP linux app
[09:42] <TJ-> Madura: sounds to me like when you installed the OS to the fixed disk, you accidently installed the boot-loader to the USB device, rather than the fixed disk
[09:43] <Madura> TJ : when Im installing I gave 500mb to /boot , its in hard drive
[09:43] <pers3us> cfhowlett: oh, I wasn't aware it is xsane.
[09:44] <cfhowlett> pers3us, I could be wrong though ...
[09:44] <pers3us> cfhowlett: I am not sure either, never had a need of it.
[09:44] <Madura> pers2us : One thing to mention, ubuntu was installed within 3 to 5 min, is it possible ?
[09:45] <pers3us> Madura: Yes it is possible. But what do you mean u gave /boot 500mb
[09:45] <pers3us> did you partition a separate /boot ?
[09:45] <Madura> pers2us : yes. you are correct.
[09:46] <linocisco> hi all, any free hotel booking apps on cloud?
[09:47] <pers3us> Madura: Hmm. It shouldn't be a problem in default install though. It was a default install right, you just partitioned it?
[09:48] <pers3us> Madura: reboot using flash drive, and follow these steps.
[09:48] <pers3us> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[09:49] <Madura> pers2us : at first time I gave default install, but it was not work, then I partitioned it, gave 100GB for root, 300GB for home and 500mb for /boot
[09:49] <pers3us> Careful with the sudo grub-install step.
[09:49] <pers3us> Madura: What do you mean it didn't work?
[09:50] <Madura> pers2us : I got the same problem. then I went to install it again.
[09:50] <Madura> pers2us : after that I realized this is not a installation issue
[09:50] <Madura> pers2us : I have tried 3 times.
[09:51] <slicepaperwords> thank you cfhowlett, I couldnt get a decent scan with xsane but it led me to simple scan which was already installed and works
[09:51] <pers3us> Hmm, Madura, can you check this for me. follow steps here. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[09:52] <cfhowlett> pers3us, perfect!  happy2help!
[09:52] <pers3us> cfhowlett: tagging the wrong person :)
[09:53] <cfhowlett> pers3us, yep.  tourettes/fat fingers.  happy2help! slicepaperwords
[09:53] <slicepaperwords> pers3us, haha I was thinking that too
[09:53] <slicepaperwords> haha thanks cfhowlett
[09:54] <pers3us> cfhowlett: Any idea on UEFI boot? Madura here needs some help with booting issue.
[09:54] <EriC^^> pers3us: what's the problem?
[09:54] <EriC^^> Madura: ?
[09:54] <cfhowlett> pers3us, saw that.   outside my limited area of "expertise"
[09:55] <TJ-> Madura: pers3us: not been following the issue; is the system UEFI? is it booting in UEFI mode? What make/model is the system?
[09:55] <simonepsp> hello everyone :) Someone uses Wimax on ubuntu? Since Network manager dropped its support to Wimax how can I connect to a network? Thanks
[09:56] <Madura> TJ : this is the issue, I bought a new laptop(DELL Latitude E5440) with genuine windows. I have created bootable pendrive with ubuntu 14.04 and installed ubuntu successfully and removed windows(I only want ubuntu). After installation I changed the boot sequence. after that I'm getting "No boot device found. Press any key to reboot the machine". how can I resolved this problem ?
[09:56] <EriC^^> Madura: boot a live usb
[09:56] <pers3us> EriC^^: The problem  ^^
[09:57] <Madura> Eric : YES
[09:57] <EriC^^> Madura: try pressing esc while the pc boots and see if you can get a uefi menu and choose ubuntu
[09:57] <EriC^^> if you can't get a uefi menu, boot a live usb
[09:58] <TJ-> Madura: right, did you install in UEFI mode or legacy BIOS mode?
[09:58] <Madura> TJ : legacy bios mode
[09:58] <TJ-> Madura: OK, and the firmware has Legacy/CSM support enabled, and the first boot device is the fixed disk?
[09:58] <Madura> Eric : TJ : I can re install it again. what is the best way to reinstall ?
[09:59] <TJ-> Madura: don't reinstall yet, let's actually find out what is going on
[09:59] <Madura> TJ : ok.
[10:02] <Madura> TJ : Eric : when Im restaring machine, I got this error. [sda] incomplete mode parameter data   [sda] Assuming drive cache : wright throght
[10:03] <Grayfoox> ahoj
[10:03] <TJ-> Madura: is the PC started right now with the Ubuntu Live ISO and using the "Try Ubuntu" option?
[10:04] <Madura> TJ : No, this is the another laptop
[10:05] <EriC^^> Madura: try booting a live usb
[10:05] <TJ-> Madura: OK, boot the PC with a Live ISO and do "Try Ubuntu" so we can do some diagnostics.
[10:06] <Madura>  Eric : TJ : ok. give me 1 min
[10:06] <linocisco> hi any free cloud where we can install vtiger or any CRM?
[10:06] <TJ-> linocisco: outside your window :)
[10:07] <linocisco> TJ-, i m not using windows. I am with ubuntu. :). Microsoft gives only Windows. Ubuntu gives the whole DAMN house.:)
[10:08] <linocisco> but i am on bad house
[10:08] <pers3us> linocisco: What do you mean free cloud? :)
[10:09] <pers3us> linocisco: t3.micro of ec2 is free for a year. you can try that
[10:09] <TJ-> linocisco: The Window in your house. There is no such thing as "free cloud" - the euphamism 'cloud' means the collection of private networks that make up the 'Internet'
[10:09] <pers3us> :)
[10:09] <Grayfoox> :D
[10:09] <linocisco> perceive, free OS is ubuntu , CentoS etc. I am thinking if we can get free cloud where we can install any server with some duration
[10:09] <TJ-> linocisco: what you want is a hosted service, likely a small virtual machine
[10:09] <pers3us> linocisco: TJ- haha
[10:10] <Madura> Eric : pers2us : TJ : now im with live.
[10:10] <TJ-> No wonder people have problems with software if they don't get the basic terminology correct :D
[10:10] <pers3us> :D
[10:10] <TJ-> Madura: good. does it have a network connection?
[10:11] <linocisco> TJ-, yes. that is true. hosted service is better. if not, I need to build on free server on free cloud
[10:11] <pers3us> linocisco: We are not trying to discourage you. But, rather telling you need a free cloud, tell what you want to do.
[10:11] <linocisco> pers3us, i want to use any free CRM on freecloud so that i can access from anywhere
[10:11] <Madura> TJ : yes. its bit slow connection
[10:12] <TJ-> Madura: good, at least it can send info to a pastebin easily
[10:12] <TJ-> Madura: OK... lets get started. Start a terminal so you have a shell command line
[10:12] <Madura> TJ : already done :)
[10:12] <pers3us> linocisco: Do one thing, go to aws.amazon.com. Register there, and go to ec2. You can start a server called t3.Micro, which will have a label "free tier available".
[10:12] <TJ-> Madura: Do "sudo apt-get install pastebinit"  then do "pastebinit <( sudo lsblk -f )"
[10:13] <pers3us> linocisco: It will be free for a year, and will solve your problem.
[10:13] <linocisco> pers3us, I have no credit card. that is the problem.
[10:13] <pers3us> linocisco: Hmm.. try OpenShift then.
[10:14] <linocisco> pers3us, thanks let me check
[10:15] <Madura> TJ : it says dpkg was inerrupted, you must mannually run sudo dpkg --configure -a to corect the problem
[10:15] <TJ-> Madura: is this for a Live ISO doing "Try Ubuntu" ?!
[10:16] <Madura> TJ : yes, live ISO
[10:16] <pers3us> TJ- Madura , this should not happen
[10:16] <Madura> TJ : with try ubuntu
[10:16] <TJ-> Madura: then I suspect all your issues could be due to a corrupted installer image
[10:17] <TJ-> Madura: reboot it, at the Live ISO boot menu choose the "Check disk" or whatever it is called option
[10:17] <freakyy> id like to install ubuntu but the windows partition tool tells me theres no space to make the partition smaller (maybe cuz theres non-moveable data at the end of the partition?) - is there any way i can use space at the start of the partition?
[10:17] <pers3us> TJ-: If it is corrupted, live iso won't boot either right?
[10:18] <pers3us> isn't there a step for checking md5 before it is written to flash drive?
[10:19] <cfhowlett> pers3us, corrupt .iso 's CAN boot. best practice: md5sum the .iso and the usb
[10:19] <TJ-> pers3us: depends on what the corruption is, might only be a few bits here and there
[10:20] <Madura> TJ : this was came in other machine also. I cant update some softwares because of this problem
[10:20] <pers3us> TJ-: cfhowlett: hmm, that could be the case.
[10:20] <TJ-> freakyy: No, you'll need to do a massive defragmentation operation on the NTFS; you might need specialised tooling for that, such as Executive Software's Diskeeper
[10:20] <Madura> TJ : im using same iso
[10:20] <freakyy> TJ-: omg ... i cant do that
[10:20] <pers3us> TJ-: freakyy: or a free one, try Minitool Partition Editor
[10:20] <TJ-> Madura: then we have to assume - unless you can prove otherwise - the ISO image is corrupt
[10:21] <Madura> TJ : I have downloaded it from ubuntu site.
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> freakyy: or make your life real easy and install ubuntu single :p
[10:21] <pers3us> freakyy: It isn't that complicated. but it will take time. use that tool, it will defragment/resize the block.
[10:21] <TJ-> pers3us: if the NTFS has unmovable blocks, and the MS Windows own Disk Management tool can't move it, it'll need an offline defrag
[10:21] <freakyy> ok im thinking about removing windows from my laptop ...
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> !yay | freakyy
[10:22] <pers3us> TJ-: Never encountered it :) It worked for me whenever I tried to resize, even if there was defragmentation
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> freakyy: you can mess with other Oses from ubuntu/virtualbox afterwards
[10:22] <nitish> how can I update php of lamp?
[10:22] <cfhowlett> Madura, it takes about 1 minute to md5sum the .iso ... don't talk about doing it, DO IT.
[10:22] <freakyy> i will make the recover CDs for my laptop now
[10:22] <pers3us> nitish: You know, first thing you should do is google up a bit :)
[10:22] <freakyy> i hope it works
[10:22] <freakyy> oh wait i cant
[10:23] <freakyy> the tool doesnt burn
[10:23] <freakyy> but i have recovery drives
[10:23] <Madura> TJ- : ok
[10:23] <pers3us> freakyy: screw windows, who wants recovery :D
[10:23] <freakyy> can i ever boot from these recovery drives and reinstall windows?
[10:23] <cfhowlett> freakyy, ask ##windows about windows issues
[10:23] <freakyy> ok
[10:24] <nitish> pers3us: but few people present there can explain better and faster than google.
[10:24] <Madura> TJ- : does ubuntu has md5 sum checker ? or have to do it online site ?
[10:24] <cfhowlett> !md5sum | Madura,
[10:25] <pers3us> nitish: You will learn more if you read more. :)  What php version is currently present on your system? and which one you want to upgrade?
[10:26] <nitish> pers3us: currently installed 5.5.9. i want 5.6.*
[10:26] <lotuspsychje> nitish: its reccomended you use package versions for your specific ubuntu version
[10:26] <nitish> lotuspsychje: didn't get it.
[10:26] <futurama140> does anyone have any idea how i can mount a windows game ISO in trusty so i can install the game through wine? ive tried gisomount and it wont work, and i cant even figure out how to  "unpack the source and create a build directory" for cdemu. I'm moderately computer literate but have very little knowledge of linux distros and programming
[10:27] <pers3us> nitish: check this out. http://askubuntu.com/questions/498175/how-to-downgrade-php-from-5-5-9-to-5-4-in-ubuntu-14-04-installed-with-lamp
[10:27] <freakyy> oh yea i know now - using the assist button ... ok
[10:27] <freakyy> bbl ... hopefully with ubuntu then
[10:27] <nitish> pers3us: I don't need to downgrade. I need to upgrade php in lamp.
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> !latest | nitish
[10:28] <Madura> ubonttu : 1b305d585b1918f297164add46784116  ubuntu-14.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso
[10:29] <pers3us> nitish: sorry! my bad :D see if there is a ppa around for 5.6 and use it, although it is not always a good idea as lotuspsychje mentioned.
[10:29] <cfhowlett> Madura, no need to post that here.  YOU check that it matches.
[10:29] <nitish> pers3us: ok I've dropped my idea of update php.
[10:30] <TJ-> Madura: look at the Ubuntu ISO download pages, they have the hashes displayed there
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> nitish: if you like newer php, you can try out latest ubuntu
[10:31] <nitish> lotuspsychje: I am using 14.04 lts and waiting for 16.04 lts.
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> nitish: xenial uses 5.6.14 atm, but still in daily build
[10:32] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, if your hardware can handle it: ubuntu 14.04 + virtualbox + ubuntu 15.10 in a box + shine new PHP
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: yeah nice idea +1
[10:32] <pers3us> cfhowlett: or use a contaier
[10:33] <nitish> cfhowlett: don't like to do that
[10:33] <pers3us> nitish: cfhowlett lotuspsychje https://hub.docker.com/_/php/
[10:36] <futurama140> oi gevALT
[10:37] <Madura> cfhowlett : its correct
[10:37] <futurama140> does anyone have any idea how i can mount a windows game ISO in trusty so i can install the game through wine? ive tried gisomount and it wont work, and i cant even figure out how to  "unpack the source and create a build directory" for cdemu. I'm moderately computer literate but have very little knowledge of linux distros and programming
[10:38] <pwca> hi, I keep losing my IRC connection and I suspect it may have something to do with my shitty wireless card. how can I confirm my suspicion?
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> futurama140: better install a game the normal way with playonlinux
[10:38] <cfhowlett> Madura, excellent.  now verify the USB.  use the "verify cdrom" instructions
[10:38] <Madura> cfhowlett : TJ : Eric : md5 is correct for my download version
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> futurama140: try unpack the iso, burn to a cd/dvd and install with playonlinux?
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> !info playonlinux | futurama140
[10:39] <pers3us> futurama140: Loop mount? sudo mount -o loop path/to/iso/file/YOUR_ISO_FILE.ISO /media/iso
[10:39] <Madura> cfhowlett : there is no cdrom, I have only usb port.
[10:39] <pers3us> Madura: same thing, just boot using flash drive, and there will be option to verify
[10:39] <cfhowlett> Madura, verify the USB
[10:39] <futurama140> lotuspsychje: i am unable never heard of it, but i am unable to burn disks
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> !burn | futurama140
[10:40] <Madura> cfhowlett : im on try ubutu with flash drive
[10:40] <futurama140> thank you pers3us, perhaps that will work.
[10:41] <cfhowlett> Madura, as pers3us suggested; reboot, hit enter and see the advanced grub options for "verify"
[10:41] <OnTheRocks> hi
[10:41] <futurama140> im used to daemontools in windows, but i have vowed not to touch any windoze distro again
[10:41] <OnTheRocks> how can i monitor cpu temp in nagios in a server via snmp?
[10:41] <cfhowlett> OnTheRocks, ask #ubuntu-server
[10:42] <pers3us> futurama140: I am not aware of any daemontool for Ubuntu :) but loop mount works for me
[10:43] <pers3us> OnTheRocks: You just have to modify the daemon a bit right? I used it long time back.
[10:44] <OnTheRocks> what?
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> OnTheRocks: the #ubuntu-server might help you better
[10:45] <pers3us> OnTheRocks: yes please ask this on #ubuntu-server
[10:46] <pers3us> OnTheRocks: although, check in nagios.conf, and see if there is a place to add more commands.
[10:46] <pers3us> or rather commands.cfg actually
[10:46] <OnTheRocks> ok thanks
[10:47] <pers3us> check the block define command {}
[10:53] <bogoga> Hello
[10:57] <futurama140> is there any way for me to get a connection that doesnt cut off every few minutes on the wifi at the hotel at which i am staying?
[10:57] <futurama140> my usb wireless will not allow me to increase the power to it
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> futurama140: wifi chipset?
[10:59] <futurama140> luke@luke-Lenovo-G50-45:~$ sudo mount -o loop /home/luke/thief2_cd1.iso /media
[10:59] <futurama140> mount: block device /home/luke/thief2_cd1.iso is write-protected, mounting read-only
[10:59] <futurama140> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[10:59] <futurama140> luke@luke-Lenovo-G50-45:~$
[11:00] <futurama140> what does this mean?
[11:00] <juajo> Hola
[11:00] <MonkeyDust> futurama140  next time, use a pastebin for multiple lines
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> !es | juajo
[11:00] <futurama140> monkeydust what isthat?
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> hey MonkeyDust
[11:00] <MonkeyDust> !pastebin | futurama140
[11:00] <futurama140> ok sorry
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> !iso | futurama140
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> !info acetoneiso | futurama140 might be usefull too
[11:10] <MonkeyDust> not the answer he expected, i guess
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> :p
[11:16] <m_abdelfattah> Hello... I've a problem with disk space, when I try $df -h, it shows that the disk size is 11G and 9.8G is used... but when I try $du sh, I found only 2-3G... So, I don't know what is using this disk space
[11:16] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje  acetoneiso looks nice, tnx
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: np mate :p
[11:16] <EriC^^> m_abdelfattah: try sudo apt-get install ncdu
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> !info bleachbit | m_abdelfattah clean your system :p
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> m_abdelfattah: firefox cache folder can contain alot of stuff also
[11:17] <m_abdelfattah> EriC^^: I used gt5
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> afternoon EriC^^
[11:18] <EriC^^> wth, has ubottu become sentient?
[11:18] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: gets smarter every day :p
[11:18] <m_abdelfattah> EriC^^: I used g5 and it shows me 2.8GB in 13 files or directories
[11:18] <MoonUnit`> you may also have cached packaged from installing updates and programs, apt-get clean will remove them.
[11:18] <MoonUnit`> *packages
[11:18] <m_abdelfattah> EriC^^: So, I still don't know which folder is taking that 5-6G disk space!
[11:19] <m_abdelfattah> lotuspsychje: it is a web server no gui or firefox installed...
[11:19] <lotuspsychje> m_abdelfattah: ah ok
[11:20] <EriC^^> m_abdelfattah: you can try sudo find / -size +1G to find files bigger than 1G
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> !info discus | m_abdelfattah
[11:21] <momomo> is it safe to update from 14 to 15  ?
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> momomo: better not upgrade an LTS to non-lts
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> momomo: do you need long time support or not?
[11:22] <momomo> not really, i just need something that is stable and working
[11:22] <momomo> 14 is buggy
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> momomo: define buggy
[11:22] <momomo> it contains bugs
[11:23] <momomo> and I was hoping some of the issues is going to be resolved
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> momomo: 14.04.3 should be pretty stable
[11:23] <nbrecht01> momomo: You cannot directly upgrade from 14.04 to 15.04. You must first upgrade to 14.10. It is safe, but bear in mind that 15.05 in NOT LTS.
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> nbrecht01: also 14.10 is eol
[11:23] <momomo> lotuspsychje, it's stable but it has alot of quicks
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> momomo: what kind?
[11:24] <momomo> lotuspsychje, lots of things .. are you using 14 ?
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> momomo: yes
[11:24] <momomo> ook. maximimze a window
[11:24] <momomo> then click on minimize
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> momomo: you have the right graphics driver active?
[11:24] <momomo> lotuspsychje, yes
[11:24] <momomo> then maximize that window by using the icon on the meny
[11:25] <momomo> try to click on a small link or icon on the window
[11:25] <momomo> wrong coordinates
[11:25] <momomo> that's annoying as hell
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> momomo: not sure if i get what you mean
[11:25] <momomo> also, the task switcher is shit in unity .. and compiz switchers are almost equally shit
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> !language | momomo
[11:26] <momomo> see this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1306550
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> momomo: what kind of graphics card chipset do you have?
[11:26] <momomo> nvidia .. i don't think it's a graphic issue
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> momomo: what chipset exactly?
[11:26] <momomo> 765m
[11:26] <momomo> but i have disabled it .. because it casuses freezes when flash is used
[11:27] <momomo> and i have to ctrl + f7 and tehn f8
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> momomo: you disabled your main card?
[11:27] <momomo> yes, using intel instead
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> momomo: no wonder you got issues
[11:27] <momomo> lotuspsychje, it's not related to the graphics card i believe
[11:27] <nbrecht01> I have problems with Nvidia too, Ubuntu does not have good drivers preinstalled. With a bit of work, you may be able to find some drivers
[11:27] <momomo> did you try what I suggested ?
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> momomo: listen mate, your card is an optimus card
[11:28] <momomo> nbrecht01, there are no good drivers .. nvidia will 1) cause frequent freezes which will make everything pause ... 2) fan keeps going on for nothing
[11:28] <momomo> lotuspsychje, yes
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> momomo: you need to use the nvidia card and install nvidia-prime to get things straight
[11:29] <momomo> lotuspsychje, i believe i have trieed those
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> momomo: then enable performance mode in nvidia-settings
[11:29] <momomo> performance mode required ?
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> momomo: also you need the right driver
[11:29] <momomo> i have the latest
[11:29] <momomo> and I have gone back and forth hundred times
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> momomo: latest doesnt always mean better
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> momomo: check if you have nvidia-prime installed please
[11:30] <momomo> already installed
[11:30] <eshant> I have just joined, I don't know the specifics of card. I am using nvidia latest drivers for my Nvidia GT525M card
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> momomo: if you want compiz and windows to work properly, your nvidia must be enabled right
[11:30] <momomo> lotuspsychje, you need to understand that sometimes these drivers do not work as one could hope
[11:30] <momomo> lotuspsychje, is performance mode going to make a difference?
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> momomo: of course
[11:31] <MonkeyDust> linux and nvidia don't make a happy couple
[11:31] <momomo> lotuspsychje, in what regard? maybe the context switching is what causes the frequent freezes ? and that could possibly solve it?
[11:31] <eshant> These are the packages that I am using - nvidia-352 nvidia-352-uvm nvidia-opencl-icd-352  nvidia-prime  nvidia-settings
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> momomo: we have many users with optimus card working like a charm on LTS
[11:32] <eshant> that allow how to switch intel<->Nvidia
[11:32] <momomo> lotuspsychje, then you need to see this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/519854/ubuntu-14-04-screen-freezes-randomly-with-nvidia-and-it-is-possible-to-fix-with
[11:33] <momomo> lotuspsychje, or this : https://bugs.launchpad.net/xorg-server/+bug/1220426
[11:33] <eshant> lotuspsychje: no with intel graphics may also work well
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> momomo: thats on old thread suggesting bumblebee
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> momomo: and bumblebee is outdated
[11:34] <momomo> lotuspsychje, can you try the maximize then minimze thing to see if you also have this issue so we can avoid discussing the wrong thing?
[11:34] <momomo> open a browser
[11:34] <momomo> maximize it
[11:34] <momomo> then minimize WIN + M
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> momomo: i have no issues here on ubuntu, using compiz+ wobbly windows
[11:35] <momomo> maybe the wobbly windows fixes it though
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> lol no
[11:35] <MonkeyDust> and i disabled as many effect as possible
[11:35] <momomo> because when compiz gets involved it fixes the issue
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> momomo: you need the right driver combination togheter with your card + performance mode
[11:36] <momomo> i think there is a new nvidia update .. i will try that and then see ..
[11:36] <momomo> it might be related to the touchpad
[11:37] <MonkeyDust> momomo  install indiciator-cpufreq to switch easily between modes
[11:37] <momomo> i do hve one
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> momomo: remember, latest doenst always mean better for your card
[11:37] <Fox001> HI guys sorry to intrude but how do I enable EFI boot on ubuntu-mate ?? I've installed to usb for portable os and trying to boot on MacBook. Installer boots fine, after install does not...
[11:37] <momomo> lotuspsychje, i've tried the older ones
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | Fox001
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> momomo: 340 and 346 + performance mode enabled?
[11:38] <momomo> lotuspsychje, this seems to suggest it's still there in 15
[11:38] <momomo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/xorg-server/+bug/1220426
[11:38] <momomo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/xorg-server/+bug/1220426/comments/305
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> momomo: we cant speak in general mate, this depends from system to system
[11:39] <Fox001> Thanks lotuspsychje :)
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> momomo: you have another card as the bug
[11:40] <lotuspsychje> momomo: you can also try a 15.10 liveusb to test if things get sorted on your system
[11:40] <easyOnMe> anyone here has tried using PHP7
[11:40] <clorisu> Does anybody know what went wrong with this archive file? http://imgur.com/a/5ibqx (First image is the main directory, following two are the subfolders) -- When I transferred it originally it was just the 108.MOV file which was 3.7GB, but it split into that weird encryption folder which is 3.7GB and the 108.MOV is now 0 bytes?
[11:40] <lotuspsychje> easyOnMe: its not reccomended to use package versions from ppa
[11:40] <momomo> lotuspsychje, this seems to suggest a fix but it's old .. http://vxlabs.com/2015/02/05/solving-the-ubuntu-14-04-nvidia-346-nvidia-prime-black-screen-issue/ .. i will try upgrading the driver and try the performance mdoe thing
[11:41] <lotuspsychje> momomo: ok good luck mate
[11:41] <easyOnMe> lotuspsychje: no what i mean is has anyone here used php7 the latest version of php
[11:41] <lotuspsychje> !latest | easyOnMe
[11:41] <easyOnMe> server side scripting programming language
[11:41] <momomo> lotuspsychje, thanks
[11:41] <OnTheRocks> anybody knows how to share a folder in windows to linux? using command line commands cacls and nfsshare?
[11:42] <anabain> anybody with experience setting up openvpn? I want to know if, when you're building certificates, values in vars file can be invented
[11:42] <MonkeyDust> OnTheRocks  are you now in windows or in ubuntu linux?
[11:43] <TJ-> anabain: which values? Are you using easy-rsa ?
[11:43] <OnTheRocks> both
[11:43] <OnTheRocks> lol
[11:43] <OnTheRocks> virtual windows and virtual linux
[11:43] <anabain> TJ-, yes
[11:44] <lotuspsychje> clorisu: seems like bad archive maybe?
[11:44] <clorisu> lotuspsychje: is there any way to fix it? its extremely important
[11:44] <lotuspsychje> clorisu: maybe unpack with 7zip or something to test?
[11:44] <anabain> TJ, KEY_COUNTRY, KEY_PROVINCE, etc.
[11:45] <TJ-> anabain: any values that are valid as Distinguished Names in X509 certificates
[11:46] <anabain> ok, thanks
[11:46] <Holeis> sslserver irc.anonops.com:6697
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> !info p7zip | clorisu
[11:49] <freakyy> anyone here using owncloud and can tell me how i can get owncloud into the taskbar?
[11:50] <clorisu> lotuspsychje: ill try it
[11:54] <nbrecht01> Hello!
[11:57] <momomo> I updated, and switched to nvidia .. wrong x-coordinates still there
[11:58] <momomo> nvidia is showing one screen though
[11:58] <momomo> but i have too
[11:58] <momomo> i think compiz manages the other screen, right?
[11:59] <momomo> also, the fan is on for no reason
[12:00] <pwca> hi, I keep losing my IRC connection and I suspect it may have something to do with my shitty wireless card. how can I confirm my suspicion?
[12:01] <MonkeyDust> pwca  so that's an unstable wifi... mind your language, tho
[12:03] <MonkeyDust> !wifi | pwca start here
[12:03] <pwca> MonkeyDust: mind my language?
[12:04] <MonkeyDust> pwca  avoid profane words
[12:04] <pwca> avoid nonreligious words. got it.
[12:07] <Madura> Hi guys, Im going to use my laptop for some hard works. I have 500GB memory and I need to partision it.80 GB for root, 400GB for home, 500 MB for /boot. is it a good combination ? or what is the best ?
[12:08] <MonkeyDust> Madura  500GB HDD, not memory
[12:08] <MonkeyDust> Madura  are you a developer?
[12:08] <Madura> yes
[12:08] <Na3iL> Madura, 500 GB it is for you HDD
[12:09] <Madura> yes
[12:09] <momomo> how do you get compiz/ubuntu to remember the position of the window so it's not always opened on the second monitor which I seem unable to cahnge
[12:09] <MonkeyDust> Madura  80GB for root is huge
[12:10] <Na3iL> MonkeyDust, Did he need actually for /root & /boot, he can just set up /
[12:12] <momomo> seriously, this is not possible? i have to configure that on a per application basis using place windows
[12:12] <lisalll> Can somebody help me ?  /usr/bin/ucf: line 637: db_x_loadtemplatefile: command not found
[12:13] <Na3iL> momomo, before I answer you about the 2nd question, you asked about Nvidia driver
[12:14] <Na3iL> I think you have double GPU?
[12:14] <MonkeyDust> momomo  maybe there's a setting in dconf-editor you need to edit
[12:14] <Na3iL> Intel + Nvidia right?
[12:14] <momomo> Na3iL, yes, possibly, nvidia and intel
[12:14] <momomo> but the issue is on both actually, and then the second question is something else
[12:14] <Madura> MonkeyDust : what is the best combintion you suggested ?
[12:15] <lisall> Can somebody help me? Setting up php5-common (5.6.11+dfsg-1ubuntu3.1) ...
[12:15] <MonkeyDust> Madura  i'm no developer... my / is 15GB... /home is 100GB...
[12:16] <Na3iL> lisall, check this out → https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/5.6.11+dfsg-1ubuntu3.1
[12:17] <momomo> i got logged out for no reason
[12:17] <momomo> did I miss someting ?
[12:17] <MonkeyDust> momomo  maybe there's a setting in dconf-editor you need to edit
[12:18] <OnTheRocks> how can i give read permission to a user in a folder?
[12:18] <OnTheRocks> chmod 777 dir?
[12:18] <momomo> MonkeyDust, i think the window memory issue seems to aplpy mostly to chromium right now
[12:18] <Na3iL> OnTheRocks, chmod u+r example
[12:18] <lisall> Sorry this is my acctual problem Na3iL line 637: db_x_loadtemplatefile: command not found
[12:18] <momomo> and natuilus
[12:18] <MonkeyDust> OnTheRocks  careful with 777 ... better use 755 or so
[12:18] <momomo> and terminal
[12:19] <clorisu> negative lotuspsychje i just get an error "an error occurred while extracting files encrypted file is unsupported"
[12:19] <momomo> actually, it seems only ff is able to remember it
[12:19] <momomo> and you guys keep asking me what is buggy about ubuntu
[12:19] <momomo> nothing actually works
[12:19] <momomo> there is always a quirk in every aspect
[12:20] <OnTheRocks> http://pastebin.com/Zrq46x1c
[12:20] <OnTheRocks> i cant change permission of that folder
[12:21] <OnTheRocks> its a mount folder to a shared nfs windows folder
[12:21] <OnTheRocks> but how can i view its content?
[12:22] <Na3iL> OnTheRocks, you need to type sudo before the command or just switch to root by typing sudo su.
[12:22] <OnTheRocks> i did: sudo ls /mnt/win-nfs/
[12:22] <OnTheRocks> and says permission denied
[12:23] <momomo> and now the fan is on 100% of the time since i switched to nvidia driver
[12:23] <momomo> and the other issues remain
[12:23] <Na3iL> OnTheRocks, did you mounted the NTFS partition to read only?
[12:24] <OnTheRocks> yes
[12:24] <OnTheRocks> i used: nfsshare -o ro anon=yes mynfs=C:\nfs-sh (in windows)
[12:25] <Na3iL> No, OnTheRocks you need to mount it using your GNU/Linux distro
[12:25] <OnTheRocks> that what i did
[12:26] <momomo> and I just spent another 1.5 hour trying to fix a problem on ubuntu
[12:27] <Na3iL> What is the output of df -l ?
[12:28] <OnTheRocks> in linux i did: sudo mount 10.8.11.120:/mynfs /mnt/win-nfs
[12:30] <clorisu> Does anybody know what went wrong with this archive file? http://imgur.com/a/5ibqx (First image is the main directory, following two are the subfolders) -- When I transferred it originally it was just the 108.MOV file which was 3.7GB, but it split into that weird encryption folder which is 3.7GB and the 108.MOV is now 0 bytes?
[12:31] <Ben64> clorisu: looks like its broken
[12:31] <marus> after reboot i scan my local host for openport and i see 6881/tcp open  bittorrent-tracker
[12:31] <Na3iL> marus, what tool you use to scan your open ports?
[12:32] <Na3iL> OnTheRocks, can you follow this tuto → https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-an-nfs-mount-on-ubuntu-12-04
[12:32] <marus> Na3iL:nmap
[12:32] <marus> 13:31 < Na3iL> marus, what tool you use to scan your open ports?
[12:33] <clorisu> Ben64: is there any way to fix it?
[12:33] <Ben64> clorisu: ask the person who made it?
[12:34] <Na3iL> marus, Linux iptables Bittorrent tcp ports 6881 to 6889
[12:34] <dopstar> clorisu: what did you do with the file?
[12:34] <Ben64> marus: "sudo lsof -i :6881" will tell you what software is listening on that port
[12:35] <clorisu> Ben64:  i made the archive file myself, around 2 years ago. it corrupt at the time and ive just kept it saved since.
[12:35] <clorisu> dopstar:  nothing, just transferred it to a different file system only iirc.
[12:35] <dopstar> clorisu: you can generate a checksum like with: "md5sum filename.tar.gz > filename.tar.gz.md5sum"
[12:36] <marus> Ben64, i know wich software and i have stop it and closed the port, i was just wondering why it happend every time at boot
[12:36] <dopstar> clorisu: if the checksum is not the same then there was a network error in transmission you just need to treansfer it again
[12:36] <Ben64> marus: because you set it to run at boot
[12:37] <marus> Ben64: nope i rearly don't
[12:37] <Ben64> marus: it doesn't happen by default, so you did
[12:37] <Na3iL> marus, you have enabled Iptables firewall, thus while booting it opens TCP ports from 6881 to 6889
[12:37] <`ph8> Hi all, i've just installed the latest fglrx from wily-proposed and it works! I can boot, hurrah!
[12:37] <marus> okay :-) i will remove it from init and see if it come back :-)
[12:37] <OnTheRocks> dammm it
[12:38] <`ph8> I only have one more problem, when i'm playing graphic-intensive stuff like games (Planetary annihilation, prison architect) the graphics card starts resetting every few minutes (black screen, game is still in progress but monitor layout is reset)
[12:38] <OnTheRocks> asist@uvm120:~$ ls /mnt/win-nfs/
[12:38] <OnTheRocks> ls: impossível abrir a pasta /mnt/win-nfs/: Permissão negada
[12:38] <`ph8> after a few resets the whole desktop environment freezes
[12:38] <`ph8> any idea what it could be? There's nothing much in the Xorg.0.log (no warnings (WW) or anything)
[12:38] <OnTheRocks> why i cant view folder content?
[12:38] <Ben64> `ph8: sounds like it could be a hardware problem
[12:39] <OnTheRocks> i did a mount to a shared folder in windows
[12:39] <`ph8> It's fine outside of gaming
[12:39] <`ph8> and it's been fine in the past
[12:39] <`ph8> although my PC has just been in storage for 6 months
[12:39] <OnTheRocks> and i cant view its content event with admin rights!?
[12:39] <`ph8> it didn't happen with the Open source radeon drivers, although the game wasn't exactly performant
[12:39] <OnTheRocks> why?
[12:39] <Ben64> OnTheRocks: pastebin the output of "mount" and "ls -ld /path/to/mountpoint"
[12:40] <OnTheRocks> ok
[12:40] <`ph8> any idea how i might diagnose dodgy hardware @ben64? Like a getting too hot kinda thing?
[12:41] <Ben64> `ph8: heat could definitely be it. join ##hardware for hardware stuff
[12:41] <OnTheRocks> http://pastebin.com/Mkbrp9dQ
[12:41] <OnTheRocks> mount it didnt give any error
[12:42] <momomo> sometimes ( quite often ) the media scanner will start scanning my 1tb disk and that's quite annoying for no reason ... how can I disable that ?
[12:42] <OnTheRocks> i think system did the mount with success
[12:42] <OnTheRocks> but i can have permission to view
[12:46] <Ben64> OnTheRocks: you didn't paste anything i asked for
[12:47] <OnTheRocks> i paste it
[12:48] <Ben64> you did commands that i didn't say
[12:50] <momomo> is htere a wasy to get the switcher to an icon for each window ?
[12:51] <Ben64> OnTheRocks: i'm going to go ahead and give up now, if it's going to take this long to complete step 1, i can't do it
[12:52] <clorisu> dopstar: i dont have the original file that the archive was made out of unfortunately
[12:52] <unknownme> hi, I tried to make an bootable usb stick with usb-creator to install 15.10. I created the stick using 15.04. when I boot from this stick I get an "boot error".
[12:52] <clorisu> dopstar: if i did it wouldnt matter that the archive was broken, but unfortunately ive lost the original
[12:53] <EriC^^> unknownme: try sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M && sync
[12:53] <unknownme> I read that it is not possible from 15.04 to create a 15.10 stick?
[12:53] <rory> unknownme: yes it is, it just copies the iso directly. you could do it from another Linux distribution even
[12:53] <EriC^^> ( make sure you get /dev/sdX to be your usb using sudo parted -l )
[12:53] <EriC^^> unknownme: ^
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> unknownme: did you try to press TAB when you get that message?
[12:55] <unknownme> lotuspsychje, no. with enter it continues booting from hard disk
[12:55] <syntroPi> unknownme, you could try to boot the iso in a vm (virtualbox) and give it the access to your usb stick. then you could use usb creator from within 15.10 to write that iso on usb stick
[12:59] <syntroPi> rory, i think it does a bit more than dd (i.e. install grub and such)
[13:00] <marus> Ben64: do you know how can i disable it from boot
[13:00] <rory> syntroPi: nope, you can dd directly to a usb flash drive and it works
[13:01] <rory> it's called a "hybrid iso" or something and it's been the case for a while now
[13:01] <syntroPi> rory, but usb-creator does not just copy like that
[13:01] <rory> no because usb-creator uses a method that works with ancient isos too
[13:01] <EriC^^> simplest and best way is to dd the iso
[13:01] <syntroPi> yes hence my comment
[13:02] <rory> Both methods work but dd is simpler if you're happy running a command
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> lucky for us devs are working on a new usb-creator for xenial
[13:02] <syntroPi> and btw that dd the iso is not working very reliably
[13:02] <EriC^^> syntroPi: dd is most reliable, surely more reliable than using a vm to write to a usb
[13:02] <EriC^^> :p
[13:03] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: yeah, a 2-line shell script with 'dd' in it :)
[13:03] <syntroPi> except when it doesnt work :P
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: :p
[13:03] <EriC^^> syntroPi: it doesn't get much fool-proof than dd..
[13:03] <TJ-> EriC^^: don't you believe it!
[13:03] <auronandace> syntroPi: when doesn't it work? are you trying to dd non-hybrid iso files
[13:03] <futurama140> how do i mount an img file to a micrsd card?
[13:03] <unknownme> rory, EriC^^ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseNotes... known issues -> point 3. I am not sure if this is the issue I have
[13:04] <TJ-> EriC^^: however simple you make it, I can bring you fools that can break it :p
[13:04] <unknownme> Due to changes in syslinux, it is not currently possible to use usb-creator from 14.04 and earlier releases to write USB images for 15.04 or later; we believe that it is also not possible to use usb-creator from a 15.04 or later system to write USB images for earlier releases. For now the workaround is to use a matching release of Ubuntu to write the images, but we intend to issue updates soon to work around this incompatibility. 13
[13:04] <unknownme> 25801, 1446646 and 1499746
[13:04] <EriC^^> TJ-: i mean the method itself, not the user interaction :p
[13:04] <TJ-> EriC^^: oh, you and your qualifications :D
[13:05] <auronandace> unknownme: that is due to the change to systemd in 15.04 and later
[13:05] <EriC^^> unknownme: use dd and call it a day
[13:05] <TJ-> bug 1499746
[13:06] <TJ-> auronandace: no, not systemd, it's the syslinux code changes
[13:06] <unknownme> EriC^^, ok. I'll try dd
[13:06] <momomo> lotuspsychje, to see the bug I was talking about, you need to disable the "show live previws in the switcher" in compiz unity plugin
[13:06] <auronandace> TJ-: ah, sorry, thanks for the info
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> !yay | momomo
[13:06] <TJ-> auronandace: i know why you'd think that though - it seems to be cause of most other disruption around 15.04 :D
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> momomo: so you installed ccsm?
[13:07] <momomo> lotuspsychje, i had it alreayd installed
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> momomo: ok col!
[13:08] <momomo> lotuspsychje, ^ ^
[13:08] <momomo> i am not even using the unity switcher
[13:08] <momomo> but that setting has to be on either way
[13:08] <momomo> i am using the static application switcher
[13:09] <futurama140> can someone guide me through the process of mounting an IMG file to a microsd?
[13:09] <momomo> now I wisht hat switcher could always show on all screens .. it's quite annoying that it keeps showing on one or the other
[13:09] <momomo> depending on active window
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> !info acetoneiso | futurama140 try this
[13:10] <futurama140> thank you. i shall try
[13:10] <futurama140> is not the capability built in ubuntu?
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> !iso | futurama140
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> !info furiusisomount | futurama140 or try this
[13:12] <futurama140> are IMG files treated the same as ISOs?
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> futurama140: an .img file is also an image like an .iso
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> futurama140: but not all programs will manage all types of images
[13:13] <futurama140> ok that's what i was assuming
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> ioria: good afternoon :p
[13:15] <ioria> lotuspsychje, hi there !!!
[13:16] <futurama140> is there somewhere i can learn all the essential functions of working in a linux distribution? like attaining a basic conversational proficiency in a new language? i understand mastery will take quite a while, but i find i have no clue how to accomplish basic tasks and i dont even know  what the appropriate questions are to ask.
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> !manual | futurama140
[13:16] <futurama140> aha! thank you.
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> futurama140: you can request manpages in your terminal also for help: man yourcommand
[13:18] <futurama140> man as in manual. ok. good to know
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> futurama140: there are also tons of handy packages for ubuntu out there, to make ones life easier, so if you need something come ask us
[13:20] <futurama140> what is a front-end for a program i already have?
[13:21] <allen> 晚上好，everyone
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> !cn | allen
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> futurama140: not sure what your asking here, can you detail?
[13:22] <chris_99> Does anyone know if theres any patch for the broadcom-sta driver, to make it compile on 4.2.0-18-generic
[13:23] <Erik_Underline> Hello
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> Erik_Underline: welcome
[13:24] <futurama140> i keep finding mention of front-ends for things such as wine, with names that may have no relation the the core program. is this just a plug-in of sorts?
[13:24] <whiteknight69> Hi, is there any way to speed up the Caps Lock key? I use it instead of shift for typing in upper-case.
[13:25] <whiteknight69> There is a slight delay in Ubuntu as opposed to Windows
[13:25] <lotuspsychje> futurama140: playonlinux is a front-end for wine, means it uses wine also
[13:25] <ioria> chris_99, well, take a look here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl .... not sure
[13:26] <chris_99> i've found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/broadcom-sta/+bug/1504975
[13:26] <Erik_Underline> So I recently got the latest Ubuntu Linux distro yesterday, installed it on a SSD, and everything went fine. However, I'm having two big problems; first the headphone jack doesn't work, like it does while I run Windows on my older HDD. It is registered by the computer, as it switches in sound menu to  it, but it refuses to play any sound. I've tried all solutions on http://goo.gl/1LsGE5 but none works for me.
[13:26] <lotuspsychje> !sound | Erik_Underline
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> Erik_Underline: tryed LTS on same machine?
[13:29] <futurama140> lotuspsychje: so it's a seperate piece of software that uses wine at its core and performs independantly?
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> futurama140: yeah you could say that
[13:29] <Erik_Underline> lotuspsychje: I picked the standard option to download on Ubuntu's site. LTS is standard right? If you mean LTS = long term support ?
[13:30] <Avocado_> Got my external harddisk, hurray
[13:30] <Erik_Underline> 14.04 I got, which is LTS
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> Erik_Underline: you said you download latest ubuntu= 15.10?
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> ah ok
[13:30] <Erik_Underline> OH, wrong, I meant 14.04, assumed it was the latest, sorry xD
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> Erik_Underline: no sweat, did you update to 14.04.3?
[13:31] <futurama140> ok. it's hard for me to get it with something new if i dont know the how and why. im not very good at blindly executing tasks like a mac user.
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> futurama140: it all depends what your trying to do exactly?
[13:32] <dawciobiel> Is it possible to add some additional name for interface? for exmaple i got "eth0" but i also wanna got "eth_lan". I need it cuz i got many scripts where configuration on them is based on interface name. I dont wanna change all of them when im changing name for interface
[13:33] <futurama140> well currently i'm trying to mount an IMG file to a microsd to root my nook tablet and simulateously trying to mount thief 2 game ISOs to install the game through wine.
[13:34] <Erik_Underline> I've only got 14.04 LTS
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> Erik_Underline: lsb_release -a
[13:35] <Erik_Underline> Oh, it says 14.04.03 LTS here
[13:35] <Erik_Underline> lotuspsychje:
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> Erik_Underline: good :p
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> Erik_Underline: ok try to find sound errors in dmesg or syslog
[13:36] <TJ-> Erik_Underline: is this a relatively new PC?
[13:37] <futurama140> the game iso mounting is successful, and it is installing right now.
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> !yay | futurama140
[13:37] <futurama140> now i'm trying to mount an IMG to the microsd
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> futurama140: did you try that tool
[13:38] <TJ-> futurama140: what do you mean 'mount' that makes no sense
[13:38] <Fodd> Hey guys. Just a quick one. I sadly broke my S4 screen the other day, i really need to get a list of contacts from it.
[13:38] <Fodd> do you know of any software i can use that will let me download them?
[13:38] <Avocado_> he means mounting the iso
[13:38] <TJ-> futurama140: do you mean 'write' a data file to the micro-SD?
[13:38] <Erik_Underline> TJ-: It kinda is, it's from 2014, HP Elitebook 725 G2
[13:39] <TJ-> !ltse | Erik_Underline: I suspect you need a more recent kernel then, which LTS gets with ...
[13:39] <Avocado_> Does anybody know if I can make a folder inside of my backup HDD that is password protected?
[13:40] <Avocado_> I want to make distinction between private and public files
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> Avocado_: use chmod to secure folders
[13:41] <Avocado_> lotuspsychje, I mean so that people cant access some files in my hdd but can access things like movies
[13:41] <futurama140> the  README as well as the youtube video say "mount the IMG to the microSD card"
[13:41] <futurama140> i agree that it makes no sene according to y understanding of mounting, but it's the terminology they have used
[13:41] <futurama140> *sense
[13:41] <ioria> Avocado_, you can use Disks to make an encrypted partion on your drive ....
[13:41] <TJ-> futurama140: the entire sentence makes  no sense, we 'mount' to a file-system 'mountpoint' which is a directory
[13:42] <Avocado_> ioria, isnt that tied to ubuntu only?
[13:42] <ioria> Avocado_, you need multi system ?
[13:42] <echo> hi
[13:42] <futurama140> ok so i'm not alone in being confused by thewording of the instructions
[13:42] <echo> i have a question
[13:42] <Avocado_> ioria, I just want to password protect some files, preferrably a whole folder
[13:42] <echo> how can i output "-e" in the shell?
[13:43] <Guest76478> how can i output "-e" in the shell?
[13:43] <TJ-> futurama140: If it were me I'd walk away from those instructions; if the writer doesn't know what those terms mean they're dangerous
[13:43] <Avocado_> so when i lend my hdd people can access software and movies but not my personal files
[13:43] <Avocado_> external hdd*
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> Guest76478: start from the beginning, what are you trying to do?
[13:43] <ioria> Avocado_, ok... but that drive should be used also on win ?
[13:43] <Avocado_> Yep
[13:43] <Avocado_> Windows/mac/linux
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> Avocado_: bad idea, because there is software that can recover data on hd's even if its passworded
[13:44] <Guest76478> lotuspsychje: i am trying to use echo so that it outputs the string "-e"
[13:44] <ioria> Avocado_, complicated then....
[13:44] <Avocado_> lotuspsychje, i just want to protect it from noobs, not tech savvies
[13:44] <Avocado_> like my roommates
[13:44] <Guest76478> lotuspsychje: but neither echo
[13:44] <Guest76478> lotuspsychje: but neither echo '-'e nor echo "-e" nor anything else works
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> Avocado_: make an archive of your personal stuff,passworded
[13:45] <dawciobiel> what about "\\-e" ?
[13:45] <dawciobiel> or "\-e" ?
[13:45] <Avocado_> lotuspsychje, havent thought about that, thanks!
[13:45] <futurama140> yeah, the instructions were written by and for windows users, it states the mac and linux users need to " just extract the img file from the downloaded file and mount it to an sd card. its that simple"
[13:45] <Avocado_> just rar it passwordprotected
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> Avocado_: yep, long complicated password
[13:45] <Guest76478> dawciobiel: doesnt work
[13:46] <Guest76478> dawciobiel: the output is \-e then
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> Avocado_: or better, save your personal stuff on a seperate hd
[13:46] <futurama140> so i'm at a loss for what to do with the files i have
[13:46] <dawciobiel> Guest76478:  one sec, i will try it here..
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> futurama140: mount your .img file, and drag n drop the data to your sd...not that hard
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> futurama140: did you install that furius tool i suggested?
[13:47] <futurama140> yes,
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> futurama140: can you browse into that .img file with it?
[13:47] <futurama140> ok. that just seems too simple. i figured the sd would have needed to be made bootable somehow
[13:47] <futurama140> yea
[13:47] <dawciobiel> Guest76478: try: echo " -e"
[13:47] <dawciobiel> i got result: -e
[13:48] <ioria> Avocado_, give a quick look here http://askubuntu.com/questions/137828/how-to-encrypt-files-using-a-cross-platform-solution
[13:48] <Guest76478> dawciobiel: yeah but then there's a space in between
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> futurama140: that depends on the distro you wanna install on your tablet
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> futurama140: android?
[13:48] <dawciobiel> Guest76478: ok, one sec, i will try to get character code for '-- character
[13:48] <futurama140> cyanogen i believe is what i have
[13:48] <futurama140> yes android and nevermind i believe i got it working
[13:48] <Guest76478> dawciobiel: it's 0x02D
[13:49] <dawciobiel> 2D
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> futurama140: try the #android channel then, for more advise
[13:49] <dawciobiel> yes
[13:49] <Avocado_> ioria, WARNING: Using TrueCrypt is not secure as it may contain unfixed security issues
[13:49] <dawciobiel> Guest76478: did you tried withit ?
[13:49] <Avocado_> they detected some flaws i guess
[13:49] <MonkeyDust> Guest76478  or echo "-e "
[13:49] <Avocado_> The development of TrueCrypt was ended in 5/2014 after Microsoft terminated support of Windows XP.
[13:49] <Guest76478> dawciobiel: i tried echo -e \x2D
[13:49] <ioria> Avocado_, better than nothing :þ
[13:49] <Avocado_> ioria, what about bitlocker?
[13:49] <Guest76478> MonkeyDust: then there's a space after it
[13:49] <ioria> Avocado_, ah.... don't remember how it works, sorry
[13:50] <Avocado_> its a windows thing
[13:50] <MonkeyDust> Guest76478  yes, that works
[13:50] <Guest76478> MonkeyDust: there may not be a space
[13:50] <futurama140> its working just fine
[13:50] <MonkeyDust> Guest76478  maybe with 'sed' you can remove that space
[13:51] <Guest76478> sed?
[13:52] <Guest76478> TJ- surely knows something about it
[13:52] <Guest76478> he knows everything :D
[13:52] <MonkeyDust> Guest76478  http://www.theunixschool.com/2013/02/sed-examples-replace-delete-print-lines-csv-files.html
[13:53] <Guest76478> MonkeyDust: no no i have to do it using echo only
[13:53] <Guest76478> MonkeyDust: there definitely is a solution but i cant find it
[13:53] <zteam> Avocado_, It is believed that the TrueCrypt developers where pressed by authorizes like NSA or FBI and that they decided to shutdown TC becuase of that
[13:53] <Avocado_> zteam, I kind of believe that conspiracy
[13:54] <MonkeyDust> Guest76478  maybe the people in #bash know
[13:54] <clorisu> when I try to move a film from a external hdd to my harddrive i get an input/output error 3/4 of the way and it prevents the rest of the transfer. i can watch the whole video on the external hdd but only 3/4 on the hdd (and the file size is 3/4 also)? anybody know how to fix the input/output error or override it so i can transfer the rest of the file info?
[13:54] <Guest76478> MonkeyDust: ok i'll ask there ;)
[13:54] <dawciobiel> Guest76478: echo -n -;echo "e"
[13:54] <dawciobiel> :DDD
[13:54] <zteam> Avocado_, but from what I know no major flaws was found in Truecrypt, but there was some minior flaws detected
[13:55] <Guest76478> dawciobiel: wut
[13:55] <TJ-> Guest76478:   printf "%s\n" '-e'
[13:55] <Guest76478> dawciobiel: how does this work
[13:55] <dawciobiel> printf - YES, but you said only 'echo"
[13:55] <Guest76478> dawciobiel: right ;)
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> clorisu: try making an archive of the movie, then move to the other hd, and unpack there
[13:55] <dawciobiel> Anyway with only echo it will work this line:       echo -n -;echo "e"
[13:55] <Guest76478> dawciobiel: why is that?
[13:55] <zteam> Avocado_, needles to say, there is a fork taking over named VeraCrypt
[13:55] <dawciobiel> or just echo -n -;echo e
[13:56] <Guest76478> dawciobiel: why is that?
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> clorisu: one of the hd's is fat32?
[13:56] <TJ-> Guest76478: echo -e '\x2de'
[13:56] <MonkeyDust> Guest76478  knows how to excite the channel
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:57] <clorisu> lotuspsychje: will give it a shot, thanks. not sure ill check now
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> clorisu: fat32 is limited for files bigger then 4gig perhaps its that?
[13:57] <Guest76478> TJ-: you got it :DD
[13:57] <clorisu> yep lotuspsychje , the original is on a fat32, and the receiver is ntfs
[13:57] <Guest76478> TJ-: i knew you'd get it
[13:58] <clorisu> lotuspsychje: limited in what regard?
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> clorisu: how big is your movie?
[13:58] <Guest76478> TJ-: btw i am xubuntu682 the guy with the broken acer
[13:58] <clorisu> lotuspsychje: 4.3gb
[13:58] <clorisu> lotuspsychje: but the file only transfers 2.9gb before the i/o error
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> clorisu: hmm i wonder how it got on that fat32 drive
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> clorisu: maybe thatw shy your movie broke?
[13:59] <clorisu> lotuspsychje: are there limitations to single file sizes on fat32 im not aware of? could you direct me to further info on the subject
[13:59] <zteam> clorisu, FAT32 only support filesd up 4 GB, if you want to transfer biger files to it, you need to convert the drive to NTFS or split the drive
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> clorisu: or can you play it as full movie from the fat32?
[14:00] <dawciobiel> Guest76478: I was trying with echo -e \x2D as well, but it will result "-" only, and when i wanna got "e" on this as well... i got SPACE between. echo -e \x2D \x65
[14:00] <clorisu> zteam: very interesting. thank you for the information. lotuspsychje  i can play the full movie from the fat32 seemingly
[14:00] <Guest76478> dawciobiel: yeah that was my problem aswell
[14:00] <geirha> 4.3GB ~ 4.0 GiB   so it checks out
[14:00] <dawciobiel> zteam: or split the file :)
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> dawciobiel: good idea
[14:02] <zteam> dawciobiel, ups that's what I meant when I wrote "splite the drive"
[14:02] <whiteknight69> clear
[14:02] <clorisu> alright lotuspsychje , i got "an error occurred while adding files to the archive" at 2.9gb of the temp file being made
[14:02] <Guest76478> dawciobiel: why does echo \-e not work for this one
[14:02] <Guest76478> dawciobiel: i just dont get it
[14:02] <whiteknight69> Guys where do I configure Video Card settings?
[14:02] <geirha> The limit of FAT32 is 4 GiB ~ 4.295 GB. Nautilus will display that as 4.29 GB or 4.3 GB most likely
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> clorisu: you remember how you got that movie on the fat32?
[14:02] <whiteknight69> Guys where do I configure Video Card settings?
[14:03] <clorisu> lotuspsychje:  im fairly sure i just cut the file and pasted it into the folder with thunar
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> whiteknight69: whats not working
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> clorisu: without errors?
[14:03] <clorisu> lotuspsychje:  yes iirc
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> clorisu: ok maybe try what dawciobiel suggests, splitting the file
[14:04] <whiteknight69> lotuspsychje, I'm using an Intel HD iGPU. Tested a simple game and it's very jagged. Anti aliasing isn't working.
[14:04] <clorisu> lotuspsychje:  how am i able to do that?
[14:04] <geirha> If it is slightly less than 4.29 GB, then it will fit on FAT32
[14:04] <geirha> *slightly less than 4.3GB I mean
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> geirha: but it fails still on transfer to his ntfs
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> whiteknight69: ubuntu version?
[14:05] <geirha> Is samba involved?
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> clorisu: find a filesplitter for ubuntu
[14:05] <clorisu> geirha: 4,2777,794,880 bytes
[14:05] <dawciobiel> lotuspsychje: zteam suggested it first, but he made "mistake", i knew he did it thats why i answered
[14:05] <whiteknight69> 15.10 wily
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> whiteknight69: tryed LTS on that same card?
[14:06] <zteam> clorisu, are u getting the i/o error with the harddrive you are transfering from or too?
[14:06] <geirha> clorisu: Right, that's less than the limit of 4,294,967,296 bytes
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> zteam: from fat32 to ntfs
[14:07] <geirha> clorisu: Are you copying it over the net? via shared drive?
[14:07] <whiteknight69> no, lotuspsychje. Is there any way to fix in on 15.10?
[14:07] <clorisu> zteam: not sure how do i check? geirha nope, just locally on my filesystems
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> whiteknight69: you can go bughunting your system for it, or try LTS liveusb to test difference
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> whiteknight69: syslog and dmesg hold relevant info to trace whats going on
[14:08] <whiteknight69> lotuspsychje, is there no GUI software for tweaking graphics?
[14:08] <geirha> clorisu: ok, then I'd boot into windows and check both drives with scandisk (or whatever it's called these days)
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> whiteknight69: before we 'tweak' we need to know whats going
[14:09] <zteam> clorisu, if I where in your shoes, I would try to perform a Checkdisk /fsck on the drive you are sending the file too
[14:09] <clorisu> zteam: i checked dmesg a few minutes ago and my last message was "[15312.880213] FAT-fs (sdb1): Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck.
[14:09] <clorisu> "
[14:10] <zteam> clorisu, if you have a Windows machine then stick to checkdisk, if not use fsck on Linux to check the drive
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> whiteknight69: whiteknight69 wich driver= shows sudo lshw -C video?
[14:10] <clorisu> zteam: sdb1 is where the file is stored. should i run fsck on it? if so is there a chance of me losing the file by doing so?
[14:10] <TJ-> Guest76478: you can also do " echo  ^[--e  " that is 'echo ' Ctrl+V then Esc, then '--e'
[14:11] <whiteknight69> lotuspsychje, driver=i915
[14:11] <dopstar> clorisu: make sure the the drive is unmounted before your run fsck
[14:11] <Guest76478> TJ-: thank you ;)
[14:11] <lotuspsychje> clorisu: to split= http://askubuntu.com/questions/54579/how-to-split-larger-files-into-smaller-parts
[14:11] <lotuspsychje> whiteknight69: i would try 14.04.3 LTS on it
[14:12] <whiteknight69> lotuspsychje, alright. Any other suggestions?
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> whiteknight69: sure, dig into your syslog and dmesg to see whats going on
[14:13] <clorisu> zteam:  this is what im getting http://pastebin.com/K8uBv4Cz
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> whiteknight69: any errors relevant to your graphics card
[14:13] <zteam> clorisu, from my experience fsck is a little more unreliable than Checkdisk on Windows them it comes to FAT and NTFS volume, that's why I reccomend you to stick with Checkdisk if possible :-)
[14:13] <pwca> why can't Lunix have a usable checkdisk tool?
[14:13] <clorisu> zteam: check out that paste, if its useless ill boot windows
[14:14] <geirha> pwca: because ntfs is closed source
[14:15] <pwca> why can't Lunix come up with a good alternative?
[14:15] <MonkeyDust> pwca  why can't windows have a usable fsck tool?
[14:15] <geirha> pwca: ext4
[14:15] <zteam> clorisu, it's not useless, it's simply refuses to work with a drive that is unmounted
[14:15] <pwca> isn't ext4 basically crap?
[14:15] <dawciobiel> why?
[14:15] <geirha> no
[14:16] <MonkeyDust> pwca  what makes you think that?
[14:16] <clorisu> alright zteam ill try checkdisk, be back soon
[14:16] <zteam> clorisu, if you want to contiune with linux just run sudo umount /path/to/drive
[14:19] <zteam> pwca, there are alternatives to both CheckDisk and alternatives to NTFS volumes as well, however, there is no way to repair a NTFS drive under Linux
[14:19] <pwca> MonkeyDust: it tends not to work on Windows.
[14:19] <Erik_Underline> Okay, so I tried updating the kernel, but it gave no effect to the fact that my headphones won't perform any sound while my internal speakers would. I also tried with external speakers but they failed aswell. I've tried all relatable solutions that you sent to me via the !sound thingy
[14:19] <Erik_Underline> I've checked everything in sound menu ofc
[14:20] <MonkeyDust> pwca  and windows things don't work on linux, you're right
[14:20] <zteam> pwca, that's not Linux fault, Linux can read and write NTFS volumes just fine
[14:20] <xela2244> hi, when i press power button screen should blank, but it does not do anything. I'm using ubuntu GNOME 15.10
[14:20] <MonkeyDust> pwca  that's because linux != windows
[14:21] <pwca> zteam: it can't repair it.
[14:21] <Reuds_> Hello i have an problem when i try to install/try ubuntu. It says: ACPI PCC probe failed. Then it freezes and i must shut down my pc manually. How can i fix this?
[14:21] <pwca> MonkeyDust: it's 2015, this kind of logic doesn't impress anyone.
[14:21] <Erik_Underline> I've tried to uncheck anything in alsamixer aswell
[14:21] <TJ-> Erik_Underline: OK, possibly the output is muted. At a command-line have you tried "alsamixer" and ensuring the output is not muted?
[14:21] <TJ-> Erik_Underline: OK, you're ahead of me :)
[14:21] <Erik_Underline> TJ-: :D
[14:22] <RDX4OO> Reuds_, try the newest version of ubuntu
[14:22] <TJ-> Erik_Underline: can you "pastebinit <( aplay -l; aplay -L )"
[14:23] <zteam> pwca, nope, but how often would you actually need to that, then you can do it from Windows?  (the only reason for using NTFS it if you are sharing data between a Linux and a Windows machine anyway)
[14:23] <Reuds_> okay. Thanks. I have Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS
[14:23] <Erik_Underline> TJ-: What do you mean? Run the command in terminal?
[14:23] <Erik_Underline> pastebinit <( aplay -l; aplay -L )
[14:23] <zteam> pwca, and truth to be told, Linux can actually read some corrupted NTFS drive that Windows can't handle in some cases
[14:24] <xela2244> hi, when i press power button screen should blank, but it does not do anything. I'm using ubuntu GNOME 15.10
[14:24] <TJ-> Erik_Underline: "sudo apt-get install pastebinit" then run the command exactly as I typed it between the " " marks
[14:26] <Erik_Underline> It says it's unable to lock the administration directory  (/var/lib/dpkg/). It's asking if another process is running it. Should I kill all other processes, because I got a download going aswell
[14:27] <Erik_Underline> ?
[14:27] <xela2244> Erik reboot
[14:27] <TJ-> Erik_Underline: ignore that!
[14:27] <bekks> xela2244: Not necessary.
[14:27] <zteam> Erik_Underline, do you have synpatic or sofutware center open?
[14:27] <xela2244> or go on /var/lib/dpkg/status
[14:27] <Erik_Underline> I do
[14:27] <TJ-> Erik_Underline: if there's an existing apt / package operation in progress you'll need to wait
[14:28] <Erik_Underline> Oh okay
[14:29] <Erik_Underline> You can't pause downloads from software center? What is this, 2005? :D
[14:29] <chiel> :D:D:D:D:D
[14:29] <TJ-> Erik_Underline: instead do this  "cat <( aplay -l; aplay -L ) | nc termbin.com 9999"
[14:30] <zteam> Erik_Underline, why would you like to that?
[14:30] <Erik_Underline> http://termbin.com/f4bx
[14:30] <Erik_Underline> Okay here it is
[14:33] <Erik_Underline> I had my headphones plugged out at the earlier pastebin, here's with my headphones plugged in http://termbin.com/axs0
[14:33] <MrCeeIII> hello.... I am having an issue with installing latest version of flash player (adobe)
[14:34] <TJ-> Erik_Underline: right, I suspect the issue is due to the PC having 2 sound devices, HDMI and the internal ALC3228. When on speakers, are you using the HDMI ?
[14:34] <zteam> Erik_Underline, have you checked that you are using the right outport in sound settings?
[14:35] <MrCeeIII> I like the online gamecenter pogo and I continue to get the error that the flash player is out of date... when i go to the adobe site to dload it redirects to the software center which inturn states adobe not found...
[14:35] <MrCeeIII> anyone?
[14:35] <MonkeyDust> !flash
[14:35] <Erik_Underline> TJ-: I don't know if I'm using HDMI or not, where do I see that?
[14:36] <TJ-> Erik_Underline: which speakers are operating when you have sound? the ones on the HDMI monitor, or the system's internally connected speakers?
[14:37] <MrCeeIII> i already installed that
[14:37] <Erik_Underline> zteam: in sound settings, when I plug in my headphones, it switches to "headphones" from "speakers"
[14:38] <harduim> !next
[14:38] <Erik_Underline> TJ-: It must be internal speakers because I got a laptop and my monitor doesn't have any sound output
[14:38] <Erik_Underline> I assume :o
[14:39] <TJ-> Erik_Underline: ok, and you hear sound from the speakers?
[14:39] <Erik_Underline> I do
[14:40] <Erik_Underline> Perfectly clear, but whatever I put into the analog output mutes the speakers as it should, but doesn't give any output itself
[14:40] <TJ-> Erik_Underline: ok and does the GUI show the headphone output in its choice of output devices?
[14:40] <Erik_Underline> But it does get registered by the machine as it recognizes it as "headphones" in sound menu
[14:41] <Erik_Underline> With GUI I assume you mean the sound menu? Does it show anywhere else on the GUI?
[14:41] <zteam> if you go to sound settings output devices and try to change the output device to another and then play the test sound
[14:42] <hamrit> sm
[14:42] <TJ-> Erik_Underline: that's what I meant yes, because Pulseaudio would only show a headphone device if ALSA knew there is one, and your 'aplay -L' listing shows ALSA does *not* see a headphone device
[14:43] <freakyy> hi all. im trying to install the ubuntu propriaty drivers from the repository but when i boot with them the screen looks clutered, and dispositioned. like i move my mouse all the the right and then start again at the left etc.
[14:43] <freakyy> is there anything i can do about it?
[14:43] <Erik_Underline> TJ-: So how do I make ALSE see the headphones?
[14:43] <freakyy> i tried both the update driver and the non update driver
[14:43] <Erik_Underline> ALSA*
[14:44] <clorisu> hi zteam, im back. had complications on windows so decided to run chkdsk instead. got this output http://pastebin.com/vHd8iMJa -- it seems to have recovered a bunch of files into the fat32, but same i/o error when i try to transfer the one i want
[14:44] <TJ-> Erik_Underline: the first thing is to confirm this diagnosis. Double-check in 'alsamixer' for any menthion of headphone devices
[14:45] <freakyy> i mean the screen looks distore like several colored lines, black lines
[14:46] <freakyy> and it responds very slowly
[14:46] <zteam> clorisu, try to check the ntfs voule too
[14:47] <zteam> another idea is to check the health of the hard drive with the disc tool
[14:48] <MrCeeIII> http://imgur.com/WC77e8S
[14:48] <MrCeeIII> somebody please help
[14:48] <Erik_Underline> TJ-; From alsamixer via f6 I can see that I got 2 sound cards registered, some HDMI one and HD-Audio Generic one. The "default", the "-", is set to the HDMI one, but that's weird because In the HDMI soundcard it only shows some S/PDIF while the second sound card, HD AUDIO GENERIC shows MASTER, HEADPHONES, SPEAKERS etc etc.   All are unmuted.
[14:50] <TJ-> Erik_Underline: OK, so you do see HEADPHONES for the ALC
[14:50] <Erik_Underline> ALC? I do see headphones, yeah.
[14:51] <zteam> freaky what graphics card do you have?
[14:51] <TJ-> Erik_Underline: the 'aplay -L' doesn't list it, so now we know where to focus. I'm afraid I can't help you further on that, but there are folks around who should be able to use that info to kick ALSA/Pulseaudio into configuring a headphones output
[14:52] <drakonan> all right so im in ubuntu now yay
[14:53] <Erik_Underline> Okay thanks, I'll be leaving for a while now and return in 20 mins or so
[14:54] <freakyy> zteam: [AMD/ATI] Thames [Radeon HD 7550M/7570M/7650M]
[14:54] <drakonan> if it says x86-64 do i need a 32bit or a 64bit package
[14:54] <EriC^^> 64 bit
[14:54] <drakonan> k ty
[14:55] <zteam> MrCeeIII,   sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer, that would install flash for you
[14:56] <zteam> MrCeeIII, another option is to install Google Chrome, that one have a working and updated flashplayer built-in
[14:57] <clorisu> ok zteam so when i try to run it on the ntfs i get this error http://pastebin.com/8iyaMNtR
[14:57] <drakonan> ztane_, im jus installing that now hopefully i can use chromecast with it?
[14:57] <drakonan> with netflix
[14:57] <drakonan> how do i resolve dependencies google chrome
[14:59] <zteam> clorisu, NTFS cannot be repaired from a Linux machine, you need a Windows machine to do that
[14:59] <Reuds> hello. i downloaded the newest version of ubuntu and i get this error when i try to install it: ata8.00: status : { DRDY}
[15:00] <MonkeyDust> Reuds  what's the newest to you, 15.10 or 16.04?   16.04 is not ready
[15:00] <Reuds> 15.10
[15:01] <MrCeeIII> zteam: thanks man ill try it later... gotta run
[15:01] <zteam> clorisu, you can try with sudo ntfix /dev/sda2 but there is not much it can
[15:01] <freakyy> Linux schleppi 4.2.0-18-generic #22-Ubuntu SMP Fri Nov 6 18:25:50 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:03] <MonkeyDust> Reuds  where did you download ubuntu and how are you trying to install
[15:03] <clorisu> zteam: ive tried copying it into two different ntfs filesystems, the linux and windows one, and the file stops at exactly the same byte for both. would that suggest its the fat32 and not the ntfs?
[15:04] <zteam> freakyy, there are drivers here check if they are newer than the ones you are currently using
[15:04] <Reuds_> i have ubuntu studios and i downloaded it from here:   https://ubuntustudio.org/download/
[15:05] <Erik_Underline> TJ-: Back, would a possible solution be a complete reinstall of the OS?
[15:06] <Erik_Underline> Maybe something happened for me during the install for the ALSA
[15:06] <zteam> clorisu, yes, it seems so, as I said earlier try wit chkdsk d: /R from a Windows machine and see what happens
[15:06] <clorisu> kk
[15:06] <MonkeyDust> Reuds  and how are you installing it... dvd/usb?
[15:07] <Reuds_> dvd
[15:07] <MonkeyDust> Reuds_  and is there a windows on it? which version?
[15:07] <Reuds_> Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit
[15:07] <Reuds_> is this a problem?
[15:08] <zteam> freakyy, sorry forgot the link http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop?os=Linux+x86
[15:08] <MonkeyDust> Reuds_  you're not telling anything... what have you tried so far, where/when does it go wrong
[15:08] <MonkeyDust> Reuds_  do you want to dualboot or replace windows completely
[15:11] <Reuds_> okay i put in my Ubuntu studios disk. this works obviously :D. then i boot the cd and then i get the Menu :try ubuntu without installation. Install ubuntu and the other options. i think we all know wich menu. When I try "instsll Ubunut" or "gry ubuntu" i get an black screen with lines beginning with some numbers and ata8.00 or ats8: SError
[15:11] <clerisy> alright zteam for "chkdsk d: /R" im getting the error message "cannot open volume for direct access."
[15:11] <Reuds_> and i want a dualboot if this is possible
[15:13] <ioria> Reuds_, try F& Option -> nomodeset
[15:13] <ioria> Reuds_, try F6 Option -> nomodeset
[15:13] <zteam> clerisy, you were replacing D: with the device you were having trouble with right?
[15:13] <MonkeyDust> Reuds_  scroll down, is this useful http://askubuntu.com/questions/695557/boot-freezes-with-ata-error/696368
[15:14] <clerisy> zteam: replacing? what do you mean? sorry im confused
[15:15] <Reuds_> okay i try now with nomodeset
[15:15] <MonkeyDust> Reuds_  yes, nomodeset is a common solution
[15:15] <zteam> you are supposed to be replacing d: with the letter of the device you want to check (the one you want to copy the file to)
[15:17] <zteam> clerisy, so if it showing up as for example x: in Windows explorer the command should be, chkdsk x: /R
[15:17] <Reuds_> okay with nomodeset i have the same error
[15:17] <clerisy> zteam: how do i determine whats it called on windows? i know its /dev/sda1 on linux but windows uses the ":" drives right?
[15:17] <clerisy> zteam: my linux partition isnt showing up in windows explorer
[15:17] <zteam> clerisy, yep, that's showen in windows explorer
[15:18] <ioria> Reuds_, can you paste the exact error ?
[15:18] <Reuds_> ill try give me a sec
[15:18] <zteam> clerisy, linux partition, I thought you are trying to copy it to a NTFS partiton???
[15:18] <ioria> Reuds_, and how big is your HD ?
[15:19] <shibb> hello
[15:19] <shibb> who are you
[15:19] <zteam> clerisy, CheckDisk is a Windows utilty and can only check NTFS and FAT volumes
[15:20] <clerisy> zteam: i think the linux partition is ntfs? iirc it says ntfs/ext4 on the disk utility
[15:22] <zteam> clerisy, send me a screenshot please so I can see what you are doing?
[15:22] <clerisy> ok let me change back to linux and ill take it zteam
[15:22] <zteam> clerisy, ohh, you are on Windows now...
[15:23] <farid> how are u?
[15:24] <Reuds> here is the error code:http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/view/20151122161332w5l89utvzs.jpg
[15:24] <freakyy> zteam: thanks, but installing with Ubuntu option gives file not found errors and i get no .deb packages - im currently redoing it and checking the logfile
[15:24] <freakyy> will take some more time
[15:25] <noelia> Hello everyone
[15:25] <ioria> Reuds_, it's something like this https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=174335    the fix for him was switch SATA ports ...
[15:25] <ioria> Reuds, it's something like this https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=174335    the fix for him was switch SATA ports ...
[15:26] <MonkeyDust> Reuds  i read 'bad CRC' there, guess that's a clue
[15:26] <MonkeyDust> crc = cyclical redundacy check
[15:26] <clorisu> ah zteam i confused myself because its the whole harddisk which is listed as ntfs/ext4 , but thats just both of the partitions -- windows and linux. the linux partition is ext4
[15:27] <Reuds> switch sata ports? you mean to take the cable of the hard drive and put it instead of the sata xy into another?
[15:27] <clorisu> zteam: so is there any way to chkdsk the ext4 while its mounted and im using it?
[15:27] <zteam> clorisu, yes that sounds better :-)
[15:28] <bekks> clorisu: No.
[15:28] <clorisu> or better question zteam , is there any point checking it when the i/o error occurs at the same byte for both ntfs and ext4? doesnt that suggest its the fat32
[15:28] <motaka2> hello, after restarting ubuntu it ends to a dark screen, it shows the mouse pointer for a second and then it stops working in that black page
[15:28] <Reuds> but on the same hard drive there is windows and it works perfectly ._.
[15:28] <ioria> Reuds, switch your SATA ports your drives are connected to .....
[15:28] <muhandash> Hello.
[15:29] <ioria> Reuds, two drives ?
[15:29] <Reuds> i have only one hard drive ._.
[15:29] <ioria> Reuds, sorry, just one drive ?
[15:29] <muhandash> is this IRC?
[15:29] <bekks> clorisu: the same i/o cannot occur on nboth NTFS and ext4, since both are using different regions of your disk. If if, that test is pointless. I/O error indicate broken disks, which need to be replaces as soon as possible, after immediately ensuring you have a full backup.
[15:29] <MonkeyDust> muhandash  yes, the ubuntu support channel
[15:30] <muhandash> right, thanks MonkdyDust.
[15:30] <Reuds> iora yes only one harddrive
[15:30] <ioria> Reuds, the problem is not the drive, is the port on the MB
[15:30] <clorisu> bekks: it seems im getting the same i/o error. just to clarify, i am moving a file from fat32 to the ntfs and ext4, and that is when i get the seemingly same i/o error
[15:30] <Reuds> okay. So only ubuntu has obviously a problem with it bc windows works fine
[15:30] <clorisu> bekks: which is why i suggested the error was the fat32 error
[15:30] <motaka2> hello, after restarting ubuntu it ends to a dark screen, it shows the mouse pointer for a second and then it stops working in that black page. what should I do ?
[15:31] <zteam> clorisu, well lets start over a little bit, you have 1 fat32 device you were tried to copy a movie from and you had tried to copy it to both a NTFS volume and to ext4 volume right?
[15:31] <zteam> clorisu, is those the same volume?
[15:31] <clorisu> correct zteam
[15:32] <Reuds> okay i'll shut down and swith the ports and theeen if it works thanks but if not I'll come back :)
[15:32] <clorisu> zteam: volume meaning physical entity? its on the same harddrive
[15:33] <zteam> clorisu, okey, are u on Linux or Windows right now?
[15:33] <clorisu> zteam: the harddrive is partitioned into a ntfs and ext4, heres a screen http://i.imgur.com/invrsZI.png
[15:33] <clorisu> zteam: im on linux ext4 atm
[15:34] <motaka2> hello, after restarting ubuntu it ends to a dark screen, it shows the mouse pointer for a second and then it stops working in that black page. what should I do ?
[15:34] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:36] <zteam> if you click on the chuggwheel and select smart-data and self test, and then try to run a selftest on the device
[15:37] <clorisu> zteam: extended short or conveyance?
[15:37] <noelia> I need some help, I can't make Mania Drive game sound work
[15:37] <noelia> The output when I run the game from terminal is this : Cannot open sound system
[15:38] <Nick714> Hello
[15:39] <zteam> clorisu, try with extended if you want to be sure, btw there is a little windows tool you can try to copy the file with it you want, but I would still reccomend you to run the self test to make sure your disk is okey
[15:39] <MonkeyDust> noelia  does this give any output    play /usr/share/sounds/alsa/*
[15:40] <clorisu> zteam: to copy the file with the i/o error? and okie ill run the test now
[15:41] <zteam> clorisu, yes http://www.roadkil.net/program.php/P29/Unstoppable%20Copier
[15:41] <Nick714> Ok so I have a bug I think I found. I found away around it last time but this time I am stuck. My internet does not work at all on Ubuntu Server and I need to install the correct Broadcom driver
[15:42] <clorisu> zteam: apparently theres a linux download for it, should i try it here?
[15:42] <zteam> clorisu, there are tools for Linuxs as well, but the only one i now about makes a complet mirror of your damaged disk
[15:43] <zteam> clorisu, cool didn't know about that, yes, try it first and then check the health of your device
[15:44] <Nick714> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2174511 is where I was able to figure it out with Ubuntu Desktop but  how can I install those drivers on Ubuntu Server without Internet? Can I store the files on a usb and install them on the computer?
[15:44] <zteam> clorisu, you should probably try to copy the files to a new harddrive or usb-pendrive
[15:44] <clorisu> zteam: you mean with the tool or before i try to use the tool?
[15:45] <noelia> MonkeyDust It does give an output
[15:45] <noelia> MonkeyDust I think it's correct
[15:45] <zteam> clorisu, with the tool
[15:45] <noelia> MonkeyDust It's a sound test, and it works perfectly well
[15:46] <nitish> How can I search for a file with starting keywords from terminal?
[15:47] <fred1807> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP8CNp-vksc
[15:47] <noelia> Would you please download the game and try if it works for you?
[15:48] <Nick714> Anyone know if it is possible to Sudo install a package onto a usb and move it into another computer without Internet?
[15:48] <noelia> http://maniadrive.raydium.org/index.php?downloads=yes
[15:49] <MonkeyDust> downloading a and installing a game is one bridge too far
[15:49] <nitish> Nick714: You can copy .deb file from one computer to another. To access that location "nautilus /var/cache/apt/archives"
[15:49] <noelia> MonkeyDust There's no need to install it, it's a binary
[15:50] <nitish> Nick714: and run .deb file in another computer type "sudo dpkg -i filename"
[15:51] <zteam> clorisu, be back later :)
[15:51] <clorisu> zteam: thanks for the help. i might be sleeping soon, so ill see you tomorrow if youre back
[15:51] <Nick714> nitish: If I do something like "Sudo apt-get install {b43 Broadcom driver}" that will install a.deb right? So I just have Togo into the path it, move it to my usb and run that command to run it correct?
[15:52] <EriC^^> Nick714: you need the .deb in a dir, and then type sudo dpkg -i file.deb to install
[15:52] <nitish> Nick714: Yes, try it. go ahead.
[15:52] <EriC^^> Nick714: but that doesn't mean it will install, you need to have the dependencies satisfied
[15:53] <freakyy> zteam: i think i found the problem. the version.h was relocated and i now linked to the correct version - i hope it works now :)
[15:53] <EriC^^> Nick714: dpkg -I file.deb should show the dependencies under Depends:
[15:54] <nitish> how can I search for a file from terminal?
[15:55] <noelia> Here's the output when I run ./mania_drive.sh
[15:55] <noelia> open /dev/[sound/]dsp: No such file or directory
[15:55] <noelia> Raydium: ERROR: Cannot open Sound System
[15:56] <Nick714> EriC^^: Oh ok, so I will move it to my computer and if there are any required dependencies I will also put those onto a usb, install them onto my broken computer then install the .deb of the driver
[15:56] <EriC^^> Nick714: sounds good
[15:56] <Nick714> nitish: I will try it when I get home thanks a lot for the help :)
[15:57] <nitish> Nick714: You're welcome. :)
[15:59] <Nick714> Sorry one my question. So on Ubuntu Desktop I would be able to plug in my Ethernet able and it would get me Internet and from there I would install the correct wifi packages. In Ubuntu Server the Internet autoconfiguration failed with and without Ethernet. Do you think installing the correct Broadcom drivers would fix Ethernet and wifi? Or you think I have something setup wrong making no internet work
[16:00] <EriC^^> Nick714: were you able to run iwlist scan and such?
[16:02] <Nick714> Eric^: iwlist scan? What would that do?
[16:02] <noelia> Any ideas on how to make sound work in Mania Drive 1.2?
[16:02] <EriC^^> scan for available wifi
[16:03] <Nick714> Eric^^*
[16:03] <Nick714> Oh hah. That would of been smart to do...
[16:03] <EriC^^> Nick714: lspci -k | grep -A2 Wireless
[16:04] <EriC^^> should show the wireless card and the kernel driver in use ( if any )
[16:04] <Nick714> I did ifconfig, said I was connected to Ethernet but my inet address was the default blank address (0.0.27 something like that) so I assumed I didn't have internet
[16:04] <MonkeyDust> noelia  your sounds works, so it's game related and the game is not supported here... try here... http://memak.raydium.org/viewforum.php?f=10
[16:05] <Nick714> Eric^^: wireless card doesn't work at all unless I manually install the drivers hats why I need to use Ethernet to install them and if not then through USB. So iwlist scan how do I connect to wifi with a password from there?
[16:06] <muhandash> .
[16:06] <EriC^^> Nick714: i think you can use nmcli
[16:08] <Nick714> EriC^^: thanks a lot for the help I'm new to Ubuntu Server and not using GUIs. I'll try those commands when I get to my computer from there I'll figure it out. Hopefully Ethernet works so I don't have to go back and forth with a USB
[16:10] <EriC^^> Nick714: np, this might be useful http://askubuntu.com/questions/16584/how-to-connect-and-disconnect-to-a-network-manually-in-terminal
[16:11] <Nick714> Oh great thanks I'll check it out. I'll be back later if something goes wrong :P
[16:12] <EriC^^> ok :D
[16:14] <Reuds> Hello thanks for the help. Changing the Sata Port helped :3 Luv you
[16:15] <ioria> !yay | Reuds
[16:16] <Reuds> I'm excited about working with Ubuntu studios. Luv you guys realy much.
[16:16] <ioria> and ubuntu is excited to work with you
[16:18] <jemmithy> hi.  new convert from windows.  pretty cool so far.
[16:19] <MonkeyDust> Reuds  there's also #ubuntustudio
[16:20] <freakyy> zteam: ok ... i couldnt install the amd driver. it keeps doing something for a while and then when it tries to put the .deb files and stuff from somewhere into the current folder it only gives "file or directory not found" for all the files. no error message just this.
[16:20] <Reuds> yeah but it more a main Ubuntu Problem how i found out
[16:21] <NJR> How can one contribute to ubuntu?
[16:22] <MonkeyDust> !contribute
[16:28] <NJR> Cool..Thanks
[16:41] <freakyy> ok none of the drivers work for fglrx for my graphics card
[16:41] <freakyy> :(
[16:46] <lantokay> hello
[16:46] <_nemesys> hello
[16:46] <MonkeyDust> hello
[16:46] <prawnonakiwi> hello
[16:46] <EriC^^> hello
[16:47] <lantokay> need some help trying to install chrome remote desktop
[16:49] <flyn4x4> Oh boy
[17:03] <rkeeder> Anyone know how to help with getting a wifi adapter that is not supported in 14.04 working?
[17:03] <rkeeder> The adapter works if I use the 4.3 kernel, but not ready for that yet.
[17:04] <kills> hello, I have an issue with ubuntu 15,10 after it upgraded it had some issues with some packages, which after running full upgrade disapeared, but now when i tried to restart ubuntu wont load
[17:05] <kills> I canaccess terminal but otherwise is just black screen,it does say unknown fstype after decrypting
[17:05] <cocosushi> kills: I had the same problem in ubuntu 12.04, did you ran "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" ?
[17:06] <kills> i rando-release-upgrade
[17:06] <cocosushi> it is maybe an issue with lightdm, try reinstalling it
[17:06] <cocosushi> or maybe it is your driver
[17:07] <cocosushi> which graphic card have you got ?
[17:07] <kills> im a novice on linux can youplease provide instructions how to
[17:07] <rkeeder> kills, I'd back up any import files before doing anything.
[17:07] <kills> i have nvidia gt105m
[17:08] <kills> not sure what are import files or how to bakcthem up
[17:08] <freakyy> hi all. how can i get the experimental ati driver as seen here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer-experimental-13
[17:08] <rkeeder> kills, you personal files.
[17:08] <freakyy> ?
[17:09] <kills> ok, butI have noclue how to back them up if i only have terminal
[17:09] <cocosushi> kills: if you want to back up files : insert a USB key or drive, and type (in terminal) "sudo mv /home /path/to/USB/key"
[17:09] <kills> and actually dont need all the files Ireally need are online
[17:09] <cocosushi> ok
[17:10] <RudeViper> Good Afternoon all - I have a question that is not entirely Ubuntu related - but is half Ubuntu related. I need to run a program from a usb drive in Both Windows and Linux - how do I set the usb drive up to be able to do that...I also need the data to sync across both platforms.
[17:10] <cocosushi> kills: then don't backup if you don't have anything important
[17:10] <freakyy> cocosushi: dontu want to do cp isntead of mv?
[17:10] <cocosushi> freakyy: ups, sorry, you're right
[17:11] <freakyy> kills dont do mv do cp isntead
[17:11] <kills> not doing backing up
[17:11] <cocosushi> ok
[17:11] <cocosushi> then
[17:11] <cocosushi> freakyy: do you know how to install the nVidia driver ? I don't have any nVidia graphic card
[17:11] <rkeeder> RudeViper, one you should format it as vfat32
[17:12] <SchrodingersScat> I was looking up if linux can execute programs on fat, ntfs is a non starter, right?
[17:13] <kills> my help ran away
[17:13] <freakyy> coco no i have an ati driver
[17:13] <freakyy> i mean card
[17:13] <distrodsk>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER distrodsk txoyklzaapkj
[17:13] <rkeeder> http://askubuntu.com/questions/23128/how-do-i-execute-a-file-from-a-fat-usb-drive
[17:13] <kills> can anybody else help?
[17:13] <rkeeder> RudeViper, two to exectute follow this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/23128/how-do-i-execute-a-file-from-a-fat-usb-drive
[17:14] <rkeeder> distrodsk you just let everyone see your password
[17:14] <nrdb> SchrodingersScat, it will execute from vfat
[17:14] <RudeViper> rkeeder - thanks - that may be exactly what I am looking for
[17:14] <distrodsk> my password wasnt in that
[17:14] <distrodsk> luckily
[17:14] <distrodsk> thanks for the heads up tho
[17:15] <MonkeyDust> distrodsk  better do that in the status window
[17:17] <rkeeder> kills, I would just do a fresh install and try again, if you can't find a specific solution from anyone here.
[17:17] <GhastlySpectre> Is there a way to browse my mobile phone's remote file system using kdeconnect if I'm not on kde?
[17:18] <kills> well i wasted bleep load of time to get steam working on ubuntu after first install
[17:18] <rkeeder> kills, well you should be able to do it faster this time.
[17:18] <kills> well the problem is really want sure what i was doing morelike runing commands
[17:19] <Ubuntu> Hello
[17:19] <Ubuntu> any one is using quickly ?
[17:19] <MonkeyDust> !info quickly
[17:20] <rkeeder> kills, if you use overlayroot you can test things before they permanently install and then you can reboot without messing up your root system. But it won't work for some things.
[17:20] <MonkeyDust> what's quickly?
[17:20] <Guest86985> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Quickly
[17:21] <rkeeder> Anyone here know how to get ubuntu to detect a wifi adapter?
[17:21] <MonkeyDust> Guest86985  try in #ubuntu-app-devel
[17:21] <Guest86985> i started today with quickly and when i try package it gives me erro
[17:21] <kills> yes thats good to know but I would still rather make iot wokr again instead of reinstalling
[17:22] <Guest86985> An error has occurred when creating debian packaging ERROR: can't create or update ubuntu package ERROR: package command failed Aborting
[17:23] <kills> anyway if somebody here has some time to help a novice with ubuntu 15,10 booting up to a black screen give me a shout
[17:23] <MonkeyDust> Guest86985  it was a program for 12.04
[17:23] <MonkeyDust> Guest86985  i guess it's no longer maintained, used or supported
[17:24] <EriC^^> kills: can you login in ctrl+alt+f1?
[17:24] <kills> yes ican
[17:24] <EriC^^> ok, type dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[17:24] <kills> i can use terminal ran an sudo get update
[17:24] <Guest86985> hm intresting. i found on askubuntu answer "ou are probably using a version of the python-distutils-extra package from the precise-proposed pocket in the archive, that is newer than the stable release and that it is known to cause trouble with the latest Quickly version.  Try to downgrade it by running the following command, and then re-run the Quickly packaging command:  sudo apt-get install python-distutils-extra=2.32-2" but i ca
[17:25] <EriC^^> kills: are you logged on in irssi on the same pc right now?
[17:25] <kills> nope on differnet pc
[17:25] <jamesguessis> what does it mean to get the error `Illegal instruction (core dumped)` when running a program?
[17:25] <EriC^^> kills: ok, np, type dpkg -l | grep nvidia | nc termbin.com 9999 and copy the link here
[17:26] <EriC^^> jamesguessis: looks like an error about public defacation or something, consult a lawyer i guess
[17:26] <kills> http://termbin.com/vl17
[17:27] <intuxicated> I am using ubuntu with java oracle 8 and my ide font is so ugly. http://sk.uploads.im/KHQOu.png any idea how i can fix this?
[17:27] <EriC^^> kills: ok, try lspci | grep VGA | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:27] <rkeeder> Is there anyone here who can help with getting my wifi adapter working?
[17:28] <jamesguessis> ...
[17:28] <rkeeder> My wifi adapter is not recognized with lspci
[17:28] <jamesguessis> makes sense
[17:28] <kills> http://termbin.com/nv2n
[17:28] <nrdb> rkeeder, have you tried to install the resisticted-drivers package
[17:29] <intuxicated> using _JAVA_OPTIONS='-Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=lcd' wont help
[17:29] <rkeeder> nrdb, no, I haven't. But the driver is recognized if I upgrade to 4.3 kernel, but I can't use that one for other reasons.
[17:29] <[BNC]Ahav> test
[17:29] <rkeeder> nrdb, Do you think restricted drivers may help with that in consideration?
[17:29] <nrdb> rkeeder, I need to use that to get my wi-fi to go.
[17:30] <rkeeder> nrdb, i see.
[17:30] <nbusrone> TJ- : sorry for coming back late which I promise. Going back to the USB3.0 wakeup port , I just need to do type this echo disabled | sudo dd of=/sys/bus/devices/4-1" ?
[17:30] <rkeeder> I guess I can give it a try.
[17:31] <[BNC]Ahav> test
[17:31]  * intuxicated switch to openjdk-8
[17:31] <distrodsk> is there anyone who knows a bit of javascript help me out? im completely new to it, trying to make a theme picker but im lost and cant get any help
[17:31] <MonkeyDust> distrodsk  #javascript
[17:32] <MonkeyDust> or ##javascript
[17:32] <distrodsk> is that the same as ##javascript?
[17:32] <momomo> guys, iam running unity
[17:32] <momomo> and I am tired of it
[17:32] <momomo> i fixed one problem and now I have two
[17:32] <EriC^^> kills: try sudo ubuntu-drivers devices | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:32] <MonkeyDust> momomo  install something else, logout, switch, login
[17:32] <jamesguessis> Unity is horrifying
[17:32] <momomo> is it safe to unitall unity ?
[17:32] <momomo> and what should I switch to?
[17:32] <k1l_> momomo: you can install other desktops if you like and use them.
[17:33] <MonkeyDust> momomo  lxde, xfce, mate, kde
[17:33] <intuxicated> distrodsk, whats your problem
[17:33] <rkeeder> momomo, You can always try a different ubuntu flavor, like gnome or elementary.
[17:33] <momomo> MonkeyDust, i guess not gnome3 .. i believe that sucks too
[17:33] <k1l_> momomo: rkeeder elementary is no ubuntu flavor
[17:33] <MonkeyDust> momomo  you mean that you don't like it
[17:34] <momomo> gnome3 .. last time i tried it it was lacking .. but i am not sure
[17:34] <k1l_> momomo: its your choice. so we cant tell you what you may like. so try it yourself
[17:34] <distrodsk> intuxicated im trying to make a theme picker where clicking one of several buttons changes the font, color, background of the webpage
[17:34] <kills> EriC^^:  got a broken pipe error
[17:34] <rkeeder> k1l_, ok, but close enough fundamentally under the hood.
[17:34] <momomo> k1l_, there is a cost of context switching
[17:34] <momomo> and setup and what not
[17:34] <momomo> so how do I remove unity and all assoicated packages ?
[17:34] <distrodsk> ive made a javascript function where ive declared a variable backgroundcolour
[17:34] <momomo> safely
[17:34] <k1l_> rkeeder: that is why you should ask the elementary support about your issue. we cant know what they changed
[17:35] <k1l_> momomo: you are making more drama than is needed.
[17:35] <EriC^^> kills: ok, type cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:35] <MonkeyDust> momomo  you don't... remove ubuntu and install xubuntu or lubuntu, or kubuntu, or ubuntu-mate
[17:35] <fractal618> How can I keep my WIFI USB powered while the computer is in sleep mode?
[17:36] <rkeeder> k1l_,  my issue is exactly the same on Ubuntu, Gnome, Lubuntu and Elementary.  Tried them all.
[17:36] <momomo> MonkeyDust, remove ubunut ? i have so much installed .. that would be a tough restart
[17:36] <rkeeder> My wifi adapter is not recognized.
[17:36] <kills> yay this one i already have in history :D, http://termbin.com/czr2
[17:36] <MonkeyDust> momomo  then install xubuntu-desktop, it's light and fast
[17:36] <momomo> MonkeyDust, so it's not possible to unsintall unity  ?
[17:37] <k1l_> momomo: it is.
[17:37] <k1l_> momomo: so please see the answers and not just carry on ranting
[17:37] <MonkeyDust> momomo  i guess it's possible, but not advisable (is that a word?)
[17:38] <momomo> i am getting mixed messages .. k1l_ is it safe to remove unity ? and install say, gnome3 or cinnamon instead?
[17:38] <EriC^^> kills: ok, try sudo apt-get install --reinstall nouveau
[17:38] <EriC^^> kills: hold on
[17:38] <k1l_> momomo: you will need another desktop if you want to remove unity. so dont tell users who answered you " <momomo> k1l_, there is a cost of context switching"
[17:38] <EriC^^> kills: ok, try sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[17:39] <k1l_> momomo: you can  install gnome-shell package from ubuntu repo, log out, chose  gnome on login screen. then you are done
[17:39] <MonkeyDust> momomo  don't reject every advice you get here
[17:39] <momomo> k1l_, yes, i understand that .. what I meant is that there is a cost so I can't just try and see .. i'd like to get the best on first try
[17:39] <EriC^^> momomo: we can't know which de you'd like that easily
[17:40] <kills> EriC^^:  done
[17:40] <EriC^^> you could try them in a vm if you want and see which one you like best momomo
[17:40] <momomo> EriC^^, is it possible to install cinnamon first and then remove unity ?
[17:40] <EriC^^> kills: ok, try sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-generic
[17:41] <k1l_> momomo: yes
[17:41] <k1l_> momomo: install the cinnamon desktop package.
[17:42] <momomo> is this guide ok: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/07/new-cinnamon-ubuntu-14-04-ppa-stable
[17:42] <momomo> and then : apt-get autoremove --purge unity-*
[17:42] <k1l_> momomo: what ubuntu are you on?
[17:42] <freakyy> does anyone here have the latest ati binary driver from the amd website installed? ... it keeps giving me no such file or directory ...
[17:42] <momomo> 14.04
[17:42] <k1l_> momomo: yes, than you need a PPA. like mentioned in that article
[17:43] <momomo> cinnamon is pretty good right? i've heard good things about linuxmint
[17:43] <momomo> i hope it's more stable than and less buggy than unity
[17:43] <momomo> can someone confirm?
[17:43] <k1l_> momomo: its more about if you like the looks.
[17:44] <MonkeyDust> momomo  and mint is different distro
[17:44] <EriC^^> momomo: i wouldn't do purge unity-*
[17:44] <momomo> EriC^^, yes, maybe .. some people are having problem in that link with this update
[17:44] <kills> EriC^^:  done
[17:44] <MonkeyDust> momomo  what exactly are you struggling with
[17:45] <EriC^^> kills: ok, type sudo ubuntu-drivers devices | curl -F "sprunge=<-" sprunge.us
[17:45] <momomo> MonkeyDust, so many minor things .. but right now, the cup that made it enough ( after 2 years )
[17:45] <momomo> is the the problem with the minimize then maximize mouse coordination error
[17:46] <k1l_> momomo: ah, you are the guys from the last days. that error is gone on 15.10
[17:46] <momomo> i solved it by enabling show live previews .. but i don't use the unity application switcher because it;s not ideal but the cssm application switcher
[17:46] <momomo> k1l_, so i heard, but someone told me today they dind't have it even on 14.04 so i ma thinking there is something in my setup
[17:47] <momomo> but i am not sure
[17:47] <k1l_> momomo: but if you like another desktop environment: just install another and use that. i dont get why you are making such a drama out of it
[17:47] <momomo> k1l_, so just install cinnamon without removing unity /
[17:47] <momomo> ?
[17:47] <HackerII> momomo,  just install mate and all that goes with it and things may go back to normal.
[17:47] <MonkeyDust> momomo  in 14.04 you need a ppa for cinnamon
[17:48] <k1l_> momomo: install another desktop you like from the repo and see if you like it. no need for debating hours on irc if you might like it. we cant help you on liking a desktop
[17:48] <me-1> hi...how can I install Chrome on ubuntu
[17:49] <kills> EriC^^:  typed in the wrong comman now it keeps adding lines and doesnt execute how can i exscape to type in new command
[17:49] <logglog> me-1: open ubuntu software center and isntall chromium
[17:49] <EriC^^> me-1: go to https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/
[17:49] <EriC^^> kills: try ctrl+c
[17:49] <momomo> ok, i will... so when I install cinnamon from a ppa .. will it automatically choose cinnamon as defaut then  ?
[17:49] <momomo> will all unity stuff still load and run in the background /
[17:49] <momomo> ?
[17:50] <k1l_> momomo: you need to chose it on login screen. after that it will be the 1st choice everytime
[17:50] <momomo> i am just afraid that I be left surfing for answers on the mobile once i go this router
[17:50] <HackerII> log out pick cinnamon and log back in
[17:50] <momomo> ook thanks
[17:50] <me-1> logglog, EriC^^  what is the diffrence between two..? do I need to add ppa for chrome
[17:50] <logglog> Hello everyone, I opened my home folder and pressed ctrl + H to show hidden files and folders. Now every time i open my home folder it is showing the hidden files and i have to press ctrl+h to hide them every time. how do i fix this?
[17:50] <HackerII> momomo, , if anything looks picky, just do a simple reboot to reset things
[17:50] <k1l_> momomo: when unity is installed but another desktop is uses, it doesnt load unity in the background
[17:50] <EriC^^> me-1: chromium is the open source variant of google chrome, but i dont think it has pepperflash i dunno, i think you have to install that or add it
[17:50] <kills> http://sprunge.us/lgBr
[17:51] <logglog> Chromium is the open-source project that forms the basis for Google Chrome. Because it’s completely open source, Chromium is available in many Linux distributions’ software repositories for easier installation.
[17:51] <BluesKaj> me-1, chrome will add it's own ppa if you use the deb package to install
[17:52] <momomo> ook
[17:52] <BluesKaj> EriC^^, chrome uses it's own embedded flash plugin , no pepper needed
[17:52] <EriC^^> kills: are you sure of the link? it says not found
[17:52] <logglog> if you want chrome go https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/ but at the end its the same as crhome
[17:52] <EriC^^> BluesKaj: yeah, i meant chromium, does it have flash too?
[17:53] <kills> http://sprunge.us/MfEU
[17:53] <BluesKaj> chromium does yes
[17:53] <kills> tried again now seems to load
[17:53] <BluesKaj> but it's pepper Ithink
[17:53] <EriC^^> kills: ok, try sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-340
[17:53] <the_count> Bashing-om: Ok
[17:56] <logglog> Hello everyone, I opened my home folder and pressed ctrl + H to show hidden files and folders. Now every time i open my home folder it is showing the hidden files and i have to press ctrl+h to hide them every time. how do i fix this?
[17:57] <the_count> Bashing-om: Are you around?
[17:57] <droppyoppy> hi, whats the way to KILL a process from terminal
[17:57] <droppyoppy> i know about kill and killall
[17:58] <the_count> droppyoppy: There are search engines out there
[17:59] <kills> EriC^^:  done
[17:59] <droppyoppy> the_count, yeah and everybody pointing to kill
[17:59] <k1l_> droppyoppy: what is the issue with "kill"
[17:59] <diddledan> droppyoppy, that's because kill is the answer
[18:00] <kills> dont look at me i have no answers
[18:00] <droppyoppy> kill sends SIGTERM signal, its like safe kill, not what i want
[18:00] <parapan> Hi all; I use pscp from putty to copy a zip file to ubuntu 14.04 server ...it's showing me the transfer but the file cannot be found on the server ....why ?
[18:00] <diddledan> droppyoppy, kill will send whatever signal you want to send
[18:01] <diddledan> s/want to/tell it to/
[18:01] <kills> EriC^^:  you still there?
[18:02] <EriC^^> yup
[18:02] <EriC^^> back
[18:02] <EriC^^> kills: ok, try sudo service lightdm restart
[18:03] <the_count> droppyoppy: Are you root?
[18:03] <kills> systemctl status litghdm.service
[18:03] <diddledan> I'm spartacus
[18:04] <diddledan> I mean root
[18:04] <kills> and journalctl-xe for details
[18:04] <droppyoppy> yes, ok i read about SIGKILL
[18:04] <EriC^^> kills: try sudo systemctl start lightdm
[18:04] <EriC^^> or restart
[18:05] <the_count> droppyoppy: ' sudo kill -9 pid ' or substitute -9 with -SIGKILL
[18:05] <kills> same thing got back error
[18:05] <kills> reboot?
[18:05] <EriC^^> yeah
[18:06] <stewi> Just wondering if any of you guys would know what could be causing an intermittent network connection? I've used ethtool to change duplex and speed to 10/half with autonegotiation turned off, and ping to 8.8.8.8 is still loosing %50 of packets. I would suspect a hardware issue as the issue has survived a reinstall from another distro if it wasn't for the regularity in timing and length of the network outages. Feels like something is timing
[18:06] <stewi> out and restarting. Almost exactly 50% of packets are being dropped.
[18:07] <nbusrone> Anyone know , why does an external 3.5 hard drive doesn't have a safely remove option on 14.04 ? I occur when the hard drive was started before the PC is turn on but if booted into 14.04 and started the drive , it show a safely remove option.
[18:07] <kills> EriC^^:  same thing just now it blinked some screen for a milisecond
[18:07] <kills> and back to blacka again
[18:08] <EriC^^> kills: do you have autologin enabled?
[18:08] <kills> no
[18:08] <kills> i have a crypt
[18:08] <droppyoppy> i tried, but does child process (one we want to kill) has any chanses on closing open file discriptors then receiving SIGKILL
[18:08] <Sonderblade> stewi: have you tried mtr yet?
[18:08] <the_count> ubusrone: The option is still there, except you have to go into the ' Disk Utility ' to click it
[18:08] <EriC^^> kills: try cat /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[18:08] <EriC^^> does it say anything next to autologin ?
[18:09] <stewi> Sonderblade: nope, havn't heard of it.
[18:09] <kills> idont see any logins
[18:09] <stewi> Sonderblade: I'll have a look
[18:09] <kills> and i use to have the gray log inwindow with my username and a pass to type in
[18:09] <Sonderblade> stewi: install it, then run mtr google.<your-tld> and see which host is dropping packets
[18:09] <EriC^^> kills: ok
[18:10] <EriC^^> kills: try sudo apt-get purge nvidia*
[18:10] <kills> autologin is false
[18:10] <kills> purge it is then
[18:10] <parapan> Hi all; I use pscp from putty to copy a zip file to ubuntu 14.04 server ...it's showing me the transfer but the file cannot be found on the server ....why ?
[18:10] <nitish> How can I use gnome-shell instead of default ubuntu ui?
[18:11] <stewi> It's the servers NIC that is dropping packets. Every other host on the network is fine
[18:11] <droppyoppy> http://superuser.com/questions/594508/whats-the-difference-between-sigkill-and-sigstop here they say SIGKILL can not be caught, but it still looks like telnet successfully closes open connection
[18:11] <stewi> Sonderblade: It's the servers NIC that is dropping packets. Every other host on the network is fin
[18:11] <stewi> The server being the computer that I'm trying to get working
[18:11] <the_count> nitish: You should see a button at login from which you can change the window manager you log in to
[18:13] <droppyoppy> nitish, white button with unity logo across your username
[18:13] <nitish> the_count: i've just installed gnome-shell and there is no such button when i locked pc.
[18:13] <the_count> nitish: Try logging all the way out
[18:14] <nitish> the_count: should I restart?
[18:14] <droppyoppy> the_count, do you know about any more mighty kill option, its just for test purposes so can be dirty ways
[18:15] <kills> EriC^^:  done
[18:15] <the_count> nitish: Probably wouldn't be a bad idea... Click the unity button next to your password box and you should be able to switch
[18:15] <EriC^^> try rebooting
[18:15] <the_count> droppyoppy: I'm not sure there are any more commands out there...
[18:16] <Joshua^Dunamis> #linux-it
[18:16] <Sonderblade> stewi: then why are you asking for help?
[18:16] <kills> got a different descryot window
[18:16] <dsadsddfxc> Hello! How can I enable vsync in fglrx?
[18:16] <Joshua^Dunamis> sorry... I forgot the / on the last command
[18:17] <stewi> Sonderblade: I'm asking because I can't get the server to connect to any network properly, WAN or not.
[18:17] <cdk_> has anybody had any luck installing and using virtualbox?
[18:17] <the_count> cdk_: Yes
[18:18] <brenlae> so the catalyst drivers work now
[18:18] <brenlae> for 15.10
[18:18] <brenlae> as i am running them, hooray :)
[18:18] <kills> and some error on device mapper saying failed remove ioctl onsda5_crypt faileddevice or resource busy
[18:18] <Na3iL> dsadsddfxc, take a look http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2260969
[18:20] <dsadsddfxc> Na3iL, there aren't answers :-(
[18:20] <Sonderblade> stewi: if you *know* the problem is the nic dropping packets, then the problem is faulty hw
[18:20] <Na3iL> Yep dsadsddfxc it is a tutorial
[18:20] <icantlogin> hey, i have no idea what channel to join to discuss microprocessors/microcontrollers. can someone direct me to a more fitting channel
[18:20] <stewi> Sorry, when I say NIC is dropping packets, I meant to say the host was dropping packets. My mistake.
[18:21] <EriC^^> kills: hmm so it didn't boot to lightdm and a black screen?
[18:21] <the_count> icantlogin: Looks like you were able to log in... What type of microcontrollers?
[18:21] <Na3iL> lol
[18:21] <stewi> running tcpdump on the server and sending pings to it results in no packet loss.
[18:21] <kills> EriC^^: it booted to a black screen with smaller font now writing errors about decrypt
[18:21] <kills> well after i unlocked the password for encryption
[18:22] <cdk_> ok i installed it on ubuntu 14.04 but it is telling me that it unable somtething
[18:22] <EriC^^> kills: try rebooting again i guess
[18:22] <kills> and when unlocking crypt it also says unknow fstype
[18:22] <kills> doing that nopw
[18:22] <stewi> while pinging from the server results in packet loss.
[18:22] <icantlogin> the_count: i was, after about 2 hours. i'm doing an electronic project and am trying to pick a suitable one
[18:22] <stewi> Sonderblade: running tcpdump on the server and sending pings to it results in no packet loss.
[18:22] <stewi> Sonderblade: Sorry, when I say NIC is dropping packets, I meant to say the host was dropping packets. My mistake.
[18:23] <kills> same error
[18:23] <kills> my guess it probably candecrypt and us the sda5_crypt
[18:23] <kills> cant decrypt*
[18:23] <the_count> icantlogin: What have you looked at so far, what type of ecosystem are you lookig for?
[18:23] <EriC^^> kills: yeah
[18:23] <cdk_> the_count::  ok i installed it on ubuntu 14.04 but it is telling me that it is unable to do somtething
[18:23] <EriC^^> kills: do you have a live usb you can use?
[18:24] <kills> ido
[18:24] <Sonderblade> stewi: i think it is better to measure packet loss by wget:ing a large file or using mtr because it saturates the bandwidth
[18:24] <EriC^^> kills: ok, try booting it
[18:24] <nitish> in gnome-shell there is no option for minimize the tab? how can I minimize the tab?
[18:25] <the_count> cdk_: Welll, you have to tell us what it will not do.
[18:25] <kills> now im consideering if boot fresh to try out mint
[18:25] <cdk_> the_count:  ok just a sec....
[18:25] <icantlogin> the_count: i want something to base a low spec cartridge-loaded console around. i looked at the z80 but it seems a tad too underpowered
[18:26] <icantlogin> only on this channel because it's a known entity
[18:26] <stewi> Sonderblade: I'm talking Timeframes of about 30 seconds. For 30 seconds, no packets will leave the server apart from packets within TCP connections that are already open.
[18:26] <icantlogin> there was supposed to be an i'm in there
[18:26] <the_count> icantlogin: Explain a bit further, I'm still lost: ' base a low spec cartridge-loaded console around '
[18:27] <stewi> Then for another 30 seconds it can make new connections, and then it fails again for 30 seconds.
[18:27] <k1l_> !alis | icantlogin
[18:27] <logglog> Hello everyone, I opened my home folder and pressed ctrl + H to show hidden files and folders. Now every time i open my home folder it is showing the hidden files and i have to press ctrl+h to hide them every time. how do i fix this?
[18:27] <nbusrone> Does anyone know how to disable USB3.0 sleep option ? because the pc keep on rebooting when an external usb 3.0 was plugin
[18:28] <EriC^^> logglog: edit > preferences > show hidden files
[18:28] <nitish> How can I minimize a tab in gnome-shell?
[18:28] <icantlogin> the_count: ah, i'm building a homebrew game console.
[18:28] <kills> EriC^^: thanks for allthe help,but ill probably try fresh install
[18:29] <EriC^^> kills: ok, no problem
[18:29] <biapy> hi, how can i delay swapon by mountall at boot on 15.10 wily (the swapon occurs before hibernation data restoration  , and it prevent hibernation recovery)
[18:29] <the_count> icantlogin: This is off topic... but, check out: Intel Edison, Raspberry Pi, Arduino even...
[18:29] <cdk_> the_count:: http://imgur.com/xOLLRTQ
[18:29] <logglog> Eric^^ works, thx
[18:30] <EriC^^> logglog: np
[18:30] <ubuntu480> hello i'm trying to install this package on ubuntu server 14.04 "apt-get install python-xdelta3" but getting error :Unable to locate package python-xdelta3
[18:30] <ubuntu480> any one can help?
[18:30] <k1l_> ubuntu480: there is no such package on ubuntu
[18:30] <nitish> Background tranparancy of terminal is not working in gnome-shell..
[18:30] <icantlogin> the_count: any good channels?
[18:30] <k1l_> ubuntu480: "anymore". to be precise.
[18:30] <biapy> ubuntu480, this package is only available in precise pengolin
[18:31] <the_count> cdk_: Ok, see that command it mentioned there... ' /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup ' // Execute that
[18:31] <biapy> ubuntu480, http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/python-xdelta3
[18:31] <nitish> Is there any other ui like gnome-shell?
[18:31] <k1l_> ubuntu480: so that software might be out of date. what are you doing there?
[18:32] <the_count> icantlogin: #arduino, #raspbian
[18:33] <ubuntu480> i have to install cloudlets library from following link https://code.activestate.com/pypm/cloudlet/ and this package is require.
[18:33] <biapy> ubuntu480, try to install it manually by downloading it from the page i gave you
[18:34] <biapy> ubuntu480, success is not garanted... you may also try to build the package for your distribution
[18:35] <ubuntu480> ok thanx
[18:35] <icantlogin> the_count: thanks a bunch
[18:35] <Shibe> http://www.yourownlinux.com/2015/08/how-to-install-linux-kernel-4-2-0-in-linux.html
[18:36] <Shibe> is it safe to do this?
[18:36] <Shibe> could it break things?
[18:36] <EriC^^> Shibe: which ubuntu are you using?
[18:36] <logglog> okey ppl, this day i am switching to linux 100%, no dual boot anymore T_T
[18:36] <Shibe> ubuntu 14.04 /mint 17.2
[18:36] <ikonia> Shibe: why do you want to do this ?
[18:36] <Shibe> the linuxmint channel isnt super helpful
[18:36] <Shibe> ikonia: just curious
[18:36] <cdk_> the_count::   it tried this is what it gave me...   http://imgur.com/eTvjoan
[18:36] <ikonia> Shibe: take it to the mint channel please
[18:37] <Shibe> well they arent very helpful but ok
[18:37] <tumbler> Joshua^Dunamis, hi pal
[18:37] <tumbler> what's up?
[18:37] <ikonia> thanks
[18:40] <tumbler> i am uncertain about what to install ... why ubuntu?
[18:40] <ikonia> try it
[18:40] <ikonia> see if you like it
[18:40] <ikonia> id you don't try something else
[18:40] <tumbler> there are real advantage in opposite to others
[18:40] <stewi> Any idea why a new ubuntu server install would have an intermittent ability to make new TCP connections?
[18:41] <ikonia> tumbler: the main different is the desktop, unity
[18:41] <tumbler> can i install on an old pc?
[18:41] <ikonia> other than that, it's jsut another linux distro with good/bad things that each person will like/dislike
[18:41] <ikonia> depends
[18:41] <the_count> cdk_: 'sudo apt-get install dkms'
[18:41] <k1l_> tumbler: on old hardware better see Lubuntu.
[18:41] <CircuitZero> I've been having a hell of a time with xorg.conf - I've tried more than a few steps, would anyone like to help me debug? http://pastebin.com/sTtBZUf0
[18:42] <biapy> tumbler, lubuntu or xubuntu is your friend for pc with 2GB ram or less
[18:43] <tumbler> can i install lxqt???
[18:43] <ikonia> yes, but you should check if there is a package for it
[18:43] <ikonia> as that will make your life easier
[18:44] <tumbler> should i start by net cd??
[18:44] <ikonia> no
[18:44] <ikonia> use the stadnard CD
[18:44] <stewi> CircuitZero what exactly is the problem?
[18:44] <cdk_> the_count:: Its doing the same thing
[18:45] <redeyers> bro
[18:45] <the_count> cdk_: Well... i'm not sure what to say, this is completeley cout of my realm, try looking it up or getting someone else to help you
[18:46] <cdk_> kk thanks for trying to help me
[18:46] <redeyers> whoami?
[18:46] <redeyers> what dog?
[18:47] <boxmein> hey
[18:47] <boxmein> does anyone here know of a cross-cloud or whatever service that'd let me use onedrive on ubuntu
[18:48] <boxmein> because I have a load of files on onedrive already and do not feel like moving over to whichever provider has a linux today
[18:48] <ikonia> I think you'll struggle for that
[18:48] <redeyers> Hahahhaha
[18:48] <redeyers> nice bro
[18:48] <ikonia> redeyers: please stop with the random comments
[18:48] <ikonia> redeyers: you're in #ubuntu and IRC channel for the ubuntu linux distribution support
[18:49] <biapy> boxmein, seafile is a nice dropbox alternative... it may be of help (but not onedrive compatible)
[18:50] <boxmein> I mean there's StorageMadeEasy but can anyone vouch that it's legit
[18:50] <boxmein> https://eu.storagemadeeasy.com/
[18:50] <wafflejock1> boxmein: DropBox works cross platform, if you want something you can run yourself OwnCloud is an option
[18:50] <boxmein> wafflejock1: yea, I use dropbox already :P
[18:50] <boxmein> wafflejock1: and gdrive, et al
[18:51] <boxmein> it's just that parts of my school stuff are on onedrive
[18:51] <boxmein> meh I'll move them to gdrive and survive
[18:51] <biapy> boxmein, for a decentralized approach : syncthing
[18:51] <stewi> I don't belive this. The moment I start running a packet sniffer the problem goes away.
[18:55] <AQLIVE> anyone here how know about dual boot?
[18:55] <stewi> So the server fails to ping specific hosts. It can ping my desktop just fine, but can't ping the router it's plugged into, while I can ping the same rounter just fine/
[18:55] <AQLIVE> I installed ubuntu and now I can't boot in windows anymore. I can see the windows partition still but I can not boot into that anymore
[18:55] <AQLIVE> I tried to do a update-grub but that didt help either
[18:56] <cap0>  
[18:56] <EriC^^> AQLIVE: which windows?
[18:56] <AQLIVE> 7
[18:56] <EriC^^> AQLIVE: type sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:56] <AQLIVE> Hi Eric I think you tied to help me on friday
[18:56] <AQLIVE> with the problem
[18:56] <EriC^^> yeah
[18:56] <stewi> AQLIVE: you're sure you didn't overwrite the windows boot partition
[18:56] <AQLIVE> I'm now back on ubuntu
[18:57] <AQLIVE> I don't know
[18:57] <AQLIVE> how can I tell?
[18:57] <AQLIVE> I can still see the windows partion
[18:58] <EriC^^> AQLIVE: run the command and paste the link here
[18:58] <AQLIVE> if I did overwite the boot partions is there anyway to get it back
[18:58] <AQLIVE> the update command?
[18:58] <EriC^^> AQLIVE: no, sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:58] <AQLIVE> I did that and when I restaretd I was booted directly into ubuntu
[18:58] <stewi> EriC is ont eh right track, get the output of parted -l.
[18:59] <EriC^^> AQLIVE: it should give you a link to a pastebin
[18:59] <stewi> that command will give you a link,
[18:59] <stewi> put the link in here.
[19:00] <AQLIVE> after entering that command it tell me to use natcat
[19:01] <AQLIVE> am I doing something wrong
[19:01] <sam_> when i run this command "fab install" i got this error: Fatal error: Need hardware VM support (vmx) Aborting. Disconnecting from localhost... done.
[19:01] <stewi> I don't understand what you mean by tells you to use natcat
[19:01] <EriC^^> AQLIVE: ok, try sudo parted -l | curl -F "sprunge=<-" sprunge.us
[19:02] <AQLIVE> http://sprunge.us/LIfB
[19:02] <AQLIVE> is that correct
[19:02] <EriC^^> hmm, it's empty
[19:02] <stewi> two newline characters and a space, nope. SOmethign failed.
[19:03] <stewi> two newline characters and a space, nope. Somethign failed.
[19:03] <EriC^^> AQLIVE: try sudo parted -l , does that work?
[19:03] <ke4nhw> Does ubuntu deal with processor cores differently from other OS's? I'm finding that for some reason after security updates installed I cannot reboot the OS in VirtualBox, it crashes; unless I reduce the processors to 1
[19:03] <AQLIVE> command not found
[19:03] <AQLIVE> is it because it's in MBR mode insted of grub mode?
[19:03] <stewi> How many cores did you have running when you installed it ke4nhw
[19:03] <AQLIVE> if yes how do I change it back to brug
[19:04] <EriC^^> AQLIVE: are you sure you're typing parted ?
[19:04] <AQLIVE> grub
[19:04] <stewi> AQLIVE fdisk -l
[19:04] <EriC^^> AQLIVE: try sudo fdisk -l
[19:04] <sam_> someone provide help ? when i run this command "fab install" i got this error: Fatal error: Need hardware VM support (vmx) Aborting. Disconnecting from localhost... done.
[19:05] <jack-the-ripper> Is it possible to install fonts in lubuntu?
[19:05] <AQLIVE> yes and what do you need in this section
[19:05] <biapy> is there a way to prioritize pm hibernate restoration over swap mount ?
[19:05] <stewi> jack-the-ripper: have you tried http://askubuntu.com/questions/3697/how-do-i-install-fonts?
[19:06] <AQLIVE> hang on it me how is fu.... stupid - sorry guys. I do the parted again hang on
[19:06] <stewi> press <ctrl>-H to show hidden files fyi.
[19:06] <jack-the-ripper> I'll check that out
[19:06] <ke4nhw> 2
[19:07] <ke4nhw> Same as I set all my vm's
[19:07] <ke4nhw> from install onward
[19:07] <stewi> That's trippy man.
[19:07] <ke4nhw> In fact I didn't change anything in the vm setup between boots
[19:07] <ke4nhw> yea
[19:08] <ke4nhw> But it's running now on one core
[19:08] <jack-the-ripper> Thank you, that got them installed :)
[19:09] <stewi> Np, didn't think I'd end up helping someone while I tried to get help myself on here.
[19:09] <ke4nhw> it may not be staying anyway unless I can get ltsp up and operational
[19:09] <AQLIVE> ok so now I got something on the partede -l nc  . . . . .
[19:09] <ke4nhw> Truth be told I'm a RedHat guy, always have been, only running Ubuntu cuz ltsp isn't native in RH
[19:10] <AQLIVE> what do you need
[19:10] <AQLIVE> 1,2,5,6 are the numbers and the first one shows primary ntfs boot flag
[19:10] <fsociety> hello.
[19:10] <AQLIVE> that should be my windows partitions
[19:10] <stewi> AQLIVE run this 'sudo parted -l | curl -F "sprunge=<-" sprunge.us'
[19:10] <EriC^^> AQLIVE: copy the output of sudo parted -l and paste it in paste.ubuntu.com
[19:10] <AQLIVE> partition
[19:10] <ke4nhw> I do have one interesting question should there be any takers on this controversial issue...
[19:11] <stewi> Or do what EriC said, that works too.
[19:11] <stewi> I love contoversey
[19:11] <ke4nhw> I noticed yesterday during the install that the root password couldn't be set right away, which I got fixed. It's corrupted by default in ubuntu server 14
[19:12] <ke4nhw> But everything that root can do is capable of being done via an admin user with sudo
[19:12] <game0> guys, I'm trying to install java jdk a file in my ubuntu server using this command
[19:12] <ke4nhw> What is the difference then, and what does corrupting root gain anyone?
[19:12] <game0> tar -zxf jdk-7u79-linux-x64.tar.gz -C /opt/jdk
[19:12] <ke4nhw> Other than no root login?
[19:12] <AQLIVE> done poster called aqlive
[19:12] <game0> and the error
[19:13] <game0> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[19:13] <game0> tar: Child returned status 1
[19:13] <game0> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[19:13] <stewi> ke4nhw I'm with you on this one.
[19:13] <AQLIVE> can it be fixed ?
[19:13] <AQLIVE> or have I really screwed the system
[19:13] <dominik> yes
[19:13] <EriC^^> AQLIVE: what's the link?
[19:13] <dominik> hello my friendy
[19:13] <stewi> sudo -i is muscle memory for me though.
[19:13] <ke4nhw> And before everyone has a heart attack, yes I do a good bit of my work with sudo, but more to make everyone else happy than because it's better.
[19:13] <AQLIVE> paste.ubuntu.com/13453212
[19:14] <dominik> :D
[19:14] <ke4nhw> First: unless the sudoer file is sufficiently edited, a sudo user can do anything. So they can obliterate a system just as quickly as root, only requiring one more entry of their password of course
[19:14] <game0> can someone help me
[19:14] <game0> ?
[19:14] <dominik> now port 431
[19:14] <ke4nhw> so 'cd / && rm -rf' is just as bad for one as the other.
[19:15] <ke4nhw> thanks stewi glad to see someone else sees the logic here
[19:15] <dominik> sudo su
[19:15] <stewi> AQLIVE: you didn't overwrite your boot partition, you overwrit your windows partition as far as I can tell.
[19:16] <ke4nhw> sudo is best for admins you want to LIMIT what they can do. It allows them to perform some functions, while blocking others
[19:16] <game0> tar -zxf jdk-7u79-linux-x64.tar.gz -C /opt/jdk
[19:16] <pauljw> ke4nhw: no need to post dangerous commands here and you need to take the discussion to #off-topic it's not support related.
[19:16] <ke4nhw> If it's configured for that
[19:16] <game0> and the error
[19:16] <AQLIVE> is that a way to get it back
[19:16] <game0> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[19:16] <stewi> want no, nevermind, that is your windows partition
[19:16] <ke4nhw> my apologies
[19:16] <AQLIVE> and up and running again?
[19:16] <game0> tar: Child returned status 1
[19:16] <EriC^^> AQLIVE: type sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[19:16] <game0> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[19:16] <ke4nhw> hence the "just as bad" part.
[19:16] <stewi> AQLIVE your "boot" partition is actually the windows partition
[19:16] <EriC^^> AQLIVE: then type ls -l /mnt/ntldr
[19:16] <ke4nhw> I'll move over there, thanks
[19:17] <game0> tar.gz I cannot extract it
[19:17] <pauljw> ke4nhw: no problem, thanks
[19:17] <EriC^^> AQLIVE: hold on
[19:17] <EriC^^> AQLIVE: type ls -l /mnt/bootmgr
[19:17] <goddard> can i install Google Chrome in a chroot?
[19:17] <stewi> ntldr is a win xp thing isn't it?
[19:17] <ke4nhw> what's the ubuntu off topic room or social room
[19:18] <wafflejock1> game0: any way you can verify the download isn't corrupt (md5 hash or anything)?
[19:18] <stewi> Never seen it on 7.
[19:18] <k1l_> !ot | ke4nhw
[19:18] <ke4nhw> ok
[19:18] <EriC^^> stewi: nah, i've seen it used to boot non-uefi win8
[19:18] <stewi> ok
[19:19] <stewi> I try stay away from it anyways.
[19:19] <ioria> game0, no problem in using that command .....
[19:19] <stewi> Especially with the new included spyware that comes with it.
[19:19] <AQLIVE_> Model: ATA SAMSUNG MZ7LN128 (scsi) Disk /dev/sda: 128GB Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: msdos Disk Flags:   Number  Start   End     Size    Type      File system     Flags  1      1049kB  65.1GB  65.1GB  primary   ntfs            boot  2      65.1GB  128GB   62.9GB  extended  5      65.1GB  70.2GB  5119MB  logical   linux-swap(v1)  6      70.2GB  128GB   57.8GB  logical   ext4
[19:19] <AQLIVE_> is what I get Eric
[19:19] <ioria> game0, /opt/jdk exists ? try with sudo
[19:20] <game0> ok
[19:20] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: ok, type sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[19:20] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: then type ls -l /mnt/bootmgr
[19:20] <game0> I'll try to download it
[19:20] <stewi> I digress. Nobody seems to know why my ubuntu server would have an intermittent network connection.
[19:21] <AQLIVE_> ls -l /mnt/bootmgr
[19:21] <AQLIVE_> cannot access
[19:21] <AQLIVE_> is what I get
[19:21] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: did you type sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt ?
[19:22] <AQLIVE_> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,        missing codepage or helper program, or other error         In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try        dmesg | tail or so.
[19:22] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: hmm
[19:23] <stewi> I'll be off then. If my intermittent network problem persists with a new Gigabit NIC and I can't get it running with a couple of days of work I'll post in the forums. For now I'll put up with 50% of requests getting through.
[19:23] <stewi> Better than 0%
[19:25] <owner_> hi
[19:26] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: try sudo ntfsfix /dev/sda1
[19:27] <AQLIVE_> Mounting volume... ntfs_mst_post_read_fixup_warn: magic: 0x82e8e34f  size: 1024   usa_ofs: 15222  usa_count: 21428: Invalid argument Record 0 has no FILE magic (0x82e8e34f) Failed to load $MFT: Input/output error FAILED Attempting to correct errors... ntfs_mst_post_read_fixup_warn: magic: 0x82e8e34f  size: 1024   usa_ofs: 15222  usa_count: 21428: Invalid argument Record 0 has no FILE magic (0x82e8e34f) Failed to load $MFT: Input/outp
[19:28] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: please use paste.ubuntu.com
[19:28] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: can you type dmesg | tail and paste that as well?
[19:29] <AQLIVE_> ok sorry
[19:32] <AQLIVE_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13454174/
[19:33] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: ok, try sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[19:33] <EriC^^> if it fails, type dmesg | tail and paste it
[19:34] <AQLIVE_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13454230/
[19:34] <EriC^^> ok, try dmesg | tail and paste the output
[19:35] <AQLIVE_> dmesg is /bin/dmesg
[19:35] <vicsar> .
[19:36] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: dmesg | tail
[19:37] <AQLIVE_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13454338/
[19:38] <iaj> j
[19:39] <AQLIVE_> did that bring you close to a solution :d
[19:39] <EriC^^> well it's a bit better, i think the disk isn't toast
[19:39] <AQLIVE_> lol
[19:39] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: run sudo ntfsfix /dev/sda1 and paste the output
[19:39] <AQLIVE_> but can I get my windows 7 up and running again :d
[19:40] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: yeah, if we can get it to mount it it should run i guess
[19:40] <AQLIVE_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13454495/
[19:42] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: do you have a windows cd somewhere?
[19:43] <EriC^^> i think you need to run chkdsk
[19:43] <AQLIVE_> not right now but if I did what sould I do
[19:43] <AQLIVE_> and after that
[19:43] <cdk_> can i get help with installing a third os on my hard drive my issue is grub wont let me boot from a usb
[19:45] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: do you have important data on it?
[19:45] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: try sudo apt-get install smartmontools
[19:45] <AQLIVE_> done then what
[19:45] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: type sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda
[19:46] <droppyoppy> cdk_, booting from usb is configured in bios, not grub
[19:47] <Bashing-om> the_count: I am on ... What is the current status ?
[19:47] <AQLIVE_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13454851/
[19:48] <MonkeyDust> cdk_  boot the pc, then hit F12 for the boot device menu   (maybe something different from F12)
[19:48] <cdk_> why wont grub let me boot from an usb
[19:49] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: type sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:49] <MonkeyDust> cdk_  that'sz not what grub does, you're seeing it wrong
[19:49] <AQLIVE_> sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:50] <AQLIVE_> http://termbin.com/ni17
[19:50] <ioria> cdk_, but the third OS is already installed ?
[19:51] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: ok, try sudo apt-get install testdisk
[19:52] <AQLIVE_> and then
[19:53] <EriC^^> sudo testdisk
[19:53] <hexhaxtron> In aptitude how can I deselect all packages containing ':i386'?
[19:54] <cdk_> no i am trying to install a third os from a u8sb but it will not let me boot from usb it just goes too grub and gives a choice of the 2 already installed
[19:54] <AQLIVE_> what shoudl I select here : Please select the partition table type, press Enter when done.
[19:55] <k1l_> cdk_: see in tha hardwares manual what key to press to get a "where to boot from" menue
[19:55] <droppyoppy> cdk_, looks like bois is gooing strait to booting from hard drive. you should reconfigure it
[19:56] <k1l_> cdk_: so if there is he grub, its already to late for boot from usb. so see the manual or bios settings
[19:56] <AQLIVE_> eric how shouild I proceed
[19:57] <xodia_data> hello
[19:58] <ioria> cdk_, can you access the bios setup ?
[19:58] <cdk_> ok i have bios set to boot from usb first but it is just goin to grub
[19:59] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: select Intel
[19:59] <AQLIVE_> and then analyse
[19:59] <AQLIVE_> ?
[19:59] <ioria> cdk_, bad usb ?
[19:59] <EriC^^> no, go to advanced
[19:59] <AQLIVE_> ok
[19:59] <AQLIVE_> and then
[19:59] <ikonia> cdk_: you are not using ubuntu
[19:59] <k1l_> cdk_: then check if the usb is ok to boot from. maybe from another pc or vm
[19:59] <ikonia> please take this to mint
[19:59] <EriC^^> is there a backup bootsector?
[20:00] <AQLIVE_> nope
[20:00] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: or fix MFT or so?
[20:00] <AQLIVE_> HPFS NTFS, E Extended, L Linux swap, X extended, L Linux
[20:01] <AQLIVE_> is what I have
[20:01] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: select the NTFS one
[20:01] <AQLIVE_> ok
[20:01] <MonkeyDust> AQLIVE_  havent followed, what was your initial question?
[20:01] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: at the bottom does it say Boot?
[20:02] <AQLIVE_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13455538/
[20:02] <EriC^^> MonkeyDust: grub wont pick up windows, upon further inspection can't mount the windows partition, ntfsfix didn't help much
[20:02] <cdk_> i can boot from the usb on other computers
[20:02] <ikonia> cdk_: you are using mint
[20:02] <azizLIGHT> i got onto my dads computer via livecd in teamviewer. what can i do to troubleshoot why their os doesnt detect any boot device on regular bootup without linux livecd?
[20:02] <ikonia> this is not an ubuntu problem - please stop asking
[20:03] <azizLIGHT> s/os/bios/
[20:03] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: ok, does it give any options or so?
[20:03] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: question, how did you shrink the windows partition before installing ubuntu?
[20:03] <AQLIVE_> in the bottom there is quit, list, org bs, rebuild bs, dump,copy bootsectorover backup sector
[20:04] <goddard> how can i installed google chrome in a chroot or container?
[20:04] <AQLIVE_> I selected other the installer menu and then I selected to install linux on a partition that was notthe windeos
[20:04] <ikonia> goddard: same way as a normal install
[20:05] <cdk_> ok? you would know what os i am running how??
[20:05] <ikonia> the whole point of being chrooted is that you are in that root directory
[20:05] <ikonia> cdk_: because you're talking about it in other channels, and I can see what you're typing
[20:05] <ikonia> so stop trying to dodge it and just deal with it in mint
[20:05] <prodigel> Funny message I got when trying to restart apache after setting up a new virtualhost (with errors): [....] Starting apache2 (via systemctl): apache2.serviceJob for apache2.service failed. See "systemctl status apache2.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
[20:06] <ikonia> prodigel: nothign funny about that - check the config
[20:06] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: try repair bs
[20:06] <prodigel> Am I supposed to learn the systemd OS to read the error logs nowadays, or is there a way to disable the apache / systemd coupling?
[20:06] <AQLIVE_> there is not repair
[20:06] <ikonia> prodigel: what ?
[20:06] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: this page is pretty interesting and might help http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Advanced_NTFS_Boot_and_MFT_Repair
[20:06] <ikonia> prodigel: I told you to check the conifg
[20:07] <ikonia> thats nothing to do with "the system"
[20:07] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: repair bs? you mentioned it earlier
[20:07] <cdk_> so what if i am on other channels getting help?
[20:08] <AQLIVE_> nope rebuild bs
[20:08] <prodigel> @ikonia: I was used to check the apache error.log file. I can see now that that's not the case anymore
[20:08] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: oh ok, try it
[20:08] <ikonia> prodigel: you can still check the apache log file
[20:08] <ikonia> you can still look in the syslog
[20:09] <ikonia> but it's not starting because the config for apache is broken, which is why I've said, look at the apache config
[20:09] <prodigel> ikonia, I got that, I know exactly what the problem is. But I'm used to work with apache in a way - read APACHE's logs - and now it's not happening anymore like that
[20:10] <prodigel> I was asking for a way to disable this behavior
[20:10] <ikonia> prodigel: as I've said - you can still read apaches logs and the syslog EXACTLY the same as before
[20:10] <ikonia> prodigel: there is no behaviour to disble
[20:11] <prodigel> ikonia, apache logs are not reporting anything, syslog does indeed.
[20:11] <ikonia> prodigel: apache will only report if it's an apache error, this is not, this is a config error
[20:11] <AQLIVE_> Eric: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13455921/
[20:12] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: ok, try rebuild bs
[20:13] <AQLIVE_> that is what I did and then I get that message
[20:13] <AQLIVE_> or status
[20:13] <the_count> Bashing-om: Whoops, I was gone there for a while but signed in...
[20:13] <the_count> Bashing-om: Did you see what I said last  night to TJ-?
[20:14] <Edwardd> I did not see...
[20:14] <AQLIVE_> so what now
[20:14] <Bashing-om> the_count: :) .. I bounce around a lot too .. What is the status ? // No I must have left before the esteemed TJ- joined .
[20:15] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: try to get a windows cd and run chkdsk
[20:15] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: you could quit testdisk and try mounting again, but it doesn't look like it fixed it
[20:15] <AQLIVE_> ok and not repair instead of an installation
[20:15] <Edwardd> You can do that with out windows cd
[20:16] <AQLIVE_> what will a chkdsk do
[20:16] <nbrecht01> Hello!
[20:16] <lotuspsychje> !who | Edwardd
[20:16] <cdk_> any help with grub?
[20:16] <Edwardd> Oh excuse me
[20:17] <nbrecht01> cdk_: Waht kind of help do you need
[20:17] <the_count> Bashing-om: Last evening, my wifi stopped working, so I had a thought to try ' sudo service lightdm restart ' to see if I wouldn't have to reboot, anyway, It was taking too long, so I reset the machine, and Lo and Behold... The display/cousor was working again.... Although synaptics still has problems
[20:18] <AQLIVE_> eric: what will chkdsk do?
[20:18] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: run a filesystem check i guess
[20:18] <AQLIVE_> and whould it be better to do repair with the installation cd
[20:18] <AQLIVE_> that will not leave me with a working system just a check
[20:19] <AQLIVE_> ???
[20:19] <Edwardd> Yes
[20:19] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: no, it will fix it too
[20:19] <AQLIVE_> ok I'll try it then.
[20:19] <AQLIVE_> thanks for all you help so far.
[20:19] <Edwardd> You are welcome.
[20:19] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: do you have important data on it?
[20:19] <Bashing-om> the_count: I am really at a loss as to how to find the problem in touchpad .
[20:19] <AQLIVE_> I chat to you when I've tried it
[20:19] <AQLIVE_> and yes I do why?
[20:20] <the_count> Bashing-om: TJ- said it was most likely a firmware problem
[20:20] <the_count> Bashing-om: That causet the display issues
[20:20] <EriC^^> AQLIVE_: you might be able to copy the data to your ubuntu from testdisk
[20:20] <the_count> s/causet/caused
[20:20] <EriC^^> right now i mean before running any repairs, in case it's important stuff
[20:21] <EriC^^> chkdsk could potentially screw it up more who knows
[20:21] <Bilel_mk> hey did any one can help me ! how to desinsatll a program installed with wine from terminal??
[20:21] <lotuspsychje> !wine | Bilel_mk
[20:22] <the_count> Bashing-om: As am I... I got to eat lunch now.. I will be back in a short while
[20:22] <sisve_> So... I'm doing a "sudo apt-get install openstack; sudo openstack-install" and it ... goes slowly. Anyone know of a workaround for a presumed hang during the installation?  https://www.dropbox.com/s/qsu1tw3wlv07zsx/Screenshot%202015-11-22%2021.20.38.png
[20:22] <ikonia> sisve_: slow it not hung
[20:23] <sisve_> ikonia: Same thing about 2.5 hours ago... https://www.dropbox.com/s/9p5v2yqlti76qxu/Screenshot%202015-11-22%2017.57.29.png
[20:23] <ikonia> sisve_: cancel the install then, and try again
[20:24] <Bilel_mk> j/ #winehq
[20:24] <custom> Hey guys...what program do you all use to put your Linux OS ISO to USB drive?
[20:25] <EriC^^> custom: on linux or windows?
[20:25] <bekks> custom: dd
[20:25] <custom> linux
[20:25] <EriC^^> custom: dd is nice
[20:25] <custom> dd is command line
[20:25] <custom> right?
[20:25] <EriC^^> yeah
[20:25] <custom> i read about it
[20:25] <lotuspsychje> custom: usb disk creator from ubuntu
[20:26] <custom> hmmmmm
[20:26] <hasaan> hi
[20:27] <lotuspsychje> custom: or multisystem
[20:27] <Pertinacious> Chill
[20:27] <Pertinacious> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N81fm-h4Vi4
[20:27] <Guy1524> hey guys I am trying to install wine1.7 on my ubuntu 15.10 installation and I have added the ppa and did sudo apt-get update but when I try to install using sudo apt-get install wine1.7 I get this: http://pastebin.com/k3mzas48  Any ideas?
[20:27] <lotuspsychje> !ppa | Guy1524
[20:28] <lotuspsychje> Guy1524: its reccomended to use package versions for your specific ubuntu version mate
[20:28] <Guy1524> oh
[20:29] <Bashing-om> !wine | Guy1524
[20:29] <Bashing-om> Guy1524: Not what I had in mind . ^^
[20:30] <EriC^^> Guy1524: try sudo apt-get install wine1.7-amd64
[20:30] <EriC^^> see what it says
[20:30] <Bashing-om> !info wine
[20:30] <Guy1524> ok
[20:30] <Guy1524> http://pastebin.com/x9ZnqKSX
[20:31] <Guy1524> is this the right ppa?  ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa
[20:32] <MonkeyDust> Guy1524  find wine in the repos (software center), you don't need a ppa
[20:32] <Guy1524> ok
[20:32] <the_count> Bashing-om: Say we did completeley remove this kernel and reinstall it from scratch, through that, could we get a "clean install" effect?
[20:33] <Guy1524> I want wine1.7 though
[20:33] <lotuspsychje> !latest | Guy1524
[20:33] <Guy1524> yes but many applications work better on wine 1.7
[20:33] <MrNose> yes but many applications work better on wine 1.7
[20:34] <nbrecht01> If you really want it, download the .deb file OR compile from source
[20:34] <sisve_> ikonia: Just to add some response, the uninstall is borked and I think I need to reformat my machine now. This isn't really unexpected, I've been failing and reformatting openstack since thursday.
[20:34] <custom> i dont see a USB Disk Creater
[20:34] <custom> link?
[20:34] <EriC^^> Guy1524: try sudo apt-get install libgphoto2-port10
[20:34] <ikonia> sisve_: why is the uninstall broken ?
[20:34] <Guy1524> I already removed the ppa
[20:35] <Guy1524> I am just going to use playonlinux
[20:35] <lotuspsychje> custom: its the hd icon with ubuntu circle on it
[20:35] <custom> ok.. i found that
[20:35] <Guy1524> thanks anyway
[20:35] <custom> Startup Disc Creater
[20:35] <sisve_> ikonia: Technically, the install is broken. Both the Ubuntu "openstack-installer" and the devstack installer (both stable and latest). I've tracked it down to AppArmor denying the code something, and the machine is in an unknown state.
[20:35] <MrNose> ikonia: Technically, the install is broken. Both the Ubuntu "openstack-installer" and the machine is in an unknown state.
[20:35] <custom> and that should do the trick
[20:35] <Bashing-om> the_count: The only "clean install effect " is a clean fresh install . Not to say we can not play around and see what does result with a (re-)install of the kernel. Was there not a newer kernel installed in the update process ? have you tried this new kernel ?
[20:36] <logy> hi ppl, one quick qustion. If i encrypt my disk and home folder will that slow down the speed of my laptop?
[20:36] <custom> Thanks guys
[20:36] <custom> later
[20:36] <lotuspsychje> custom: wich linux distro are you planning to create an usb for?
[20:36] <custom> well Black Lab Linux
[20:36] <custom> the live distro works pretty well
[20:36] <MrNose> the live distro works pretty well
[20:36] <lotuspsychje> custom: not sure that will work with ubuntu disk creator
[20:36] <sisve_> I get some vibes indicating that MrNose may be repeating what people are writing.
[20:36] <MrNose> sisve_: I get some vibes indicating that may be repeating what people are writing.
[20:37] <lotuspsychje> custom: try yumi,unetbootin or multisystem
[20:37] <nbrecht01> logy: It might slow down opening/closing files on the encrypted partition, but it will not slow down the applications.
[20:37] <custom> i did try unetbooting
[20:37] <the_count> Bashing-om: be back with you in 5min
[20:37] <custom> or whaterver it was
[20:37] <custom> it worked..but it was slow
[20:37] <cassielfsw> hi all! I have an upgrade question
[20:37] <custom> maybe thats as good as it gets though
[20:38] <custom> Thanks for the help
[20:38] <cassielfsw> is it still possible to upgrade from an .iso? I have 15.04 and have downloaded 15.10 and mounted the iso but there doesn't appear to be an autorun or anything
[20:38] <logy> nbrecht01: well i just installed ubuntu and i choosed to encrypt my hdd and home folder, it works faster than non ecrypted xD, propably because its a fresh install. Well i will see if it slows down too much i will reinstall it normally. Thx by the way :)
[20:39] <lotuspsychje> cassielfsw: there's a way to install iso's with grub
[20:40] <The_Ball> I have an install of utopic, I can't find any repos for updating before upgrading. archives.ubuntu.com doesn't seem to have utopic any longer
[20:40] <cassielfsw> lotuspsychje: meaning what?
[20:40] <The_Ball> Is there any way I can upgrade?
[20:40] <lotuspsychje> cassielfsw: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[20:40] <sisve_> cassielfsw, lotuspsychje; I do not know about live updates or using grub, but you can easily write the iso to a usb stick and boot from it.
[20:40] <nbrecht01> Encrypting the entire HDD will slow down your laptop, because that is where the kernel/programs are stored. Just encrypting the /home will not slow it down, there are no programs there. (Although, there are some config files...)
[20:40] <the_count> Bashing-om: I don't believe a newer kernel was installed, what is current?
[20:41] <ioria> cassielfsw, why did you mount the iso ? boot from it  . as far as i remember there should be a menu entry like 'update to 15.10' ...
[20:42] <cassielfsw> ioria: because I don't have a blank cd on hand and was trying to be a little lazy.
[20:42] <logy> guys is there a wy to remotely connect and control another ubuntu distro, but NOT using teamviewer
[20:42] <ioria> cassielfsw, i see
[20:42] <sisve_> logy: Normal ssh?
[20:42] <The_Ball> Oh, looks like old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu is the place
[20:42] <EriC^^> cassielfsw: you can't upgrade from the iso, it will fresh install
[20:42] <EriC^^> !eolupgrades | The_Ball
[20:42] <sisve_> logy: Or are you talking about remote controlling with ui? Perhaps vnc?
[20:42] <lotuspsychje> logy: ssh
[20:42] <ioria> cassielfsw, you can do-release-upgrade
[20:42] <logy> sisive_: yes with ui if possible
[20:43] <cassielfsw> I've tried that several times but the download always fails
[20:43] <cassielfsw> that's why I'm trying to do it with the ISO
[20:43] <nbrecht01> Just run 'do-release-upgrade', don't bother with the ISO image.
[20:43] <ioria> cassielfsw, never done until now... sorry
[20:43] <nbrecht01> Do you know why do-release-upgrade fails?
[20:43] <EriC^^> cassielfsw: the iso won't upgrade it, it'll fresh install removing your current programs and stuff
[20:44] <bekks> !nomodeset | bekks
[20:44] <cassielfsw> it downloads some of the files and then says it timed out
[20:44] <EriC^^> The_Ball: if you don't upgrade you'll have security vulnerabilities and stuff
[20:44] <nbrecht01> cassielfsw: Do you have broadband internet or DSL or somthing else?
[20:44] <cassielfsw> DSL
[20:46] <nbrecht01> cassielfsw: The upgrader may think that it has lost the connection, but it is just slow. I don't know how to fix  it. Is there an option to increase the time before it times out?
[20:46] <ioria> cassielfsw, a do-release-upgrade from 04 to 10 took  me 27 minutes....  you can try from a console....
[20:46] <cassielfsw> nbrecht01: not that I've seen
[20:47] <cassielfsw> ioria: I have tried it it times out
[20:47] <ioria> cassielfsw, oh...
[20:47] <cassielfsw> are the servers still overwhelmed from release or is the rush over now?
[20:47] <nbrecht01> Hmmm... I do not know what to do other than the ISO or an internet speed upgrade.
[20:48] <k1l_> cassielfsw: "lsb_release -d" gives what output?
[20:48] <nbrecht01> I think thay calmed down.
[20:48] <ioria> cassielfsw, do you have a lot of programs installed ?
[20:48] <cassielfsw> Description:	Ubuntu 15.04
[20:48] <the_count> Bashing-om: I don't see why we can't try it
[20:48] <cassielfsw> I don't think so?
[20:48] <k1l_> cassielfsw: can you show a "sudo apt update" in a pastebin?
[20:49] <k1l_> cassielfsw: the servers  are fine. its only the question if your local mirror got some issues or your isp got old routes.
[20:50] <ioria> cassielfsw, try to change them to US
[20:50] <nbrecht01> cassielfsw: Is there a way to use a different mirrior? If so, use it. It may fix the problem.
[20:50] <cassielfsw> http://pastebin.com/nkpuFw1A
[20:51] <ioria> cassielfsw, you re US :þ
[20:51] <B4sh> g wp sites?
[20:51] <Bashing-om> the_count: Sure, we can try it .. will break any proprietary drivers that we will have to deal with .. and ther is still the possibility that touchpad interface problem is in that layer . IF this is proprietary will be good to reinstall the driver anyway .
[20:51] <cassielfsw> ioria: yes? where is it not using US servers?
[20:51] <k1l_> cassielfsw: please show a "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"
[20:52] <B4sh> anyone have any experience migrating wordpress sites?
[20:52] <B4sh> i got an error that i can't figure out
[20:52] <nbrecht01> cassielfsw: B4sh: No.
[20:53] <nanodrone> i love ubuntu
[20:53] <nbrecht01> Me too
[20:53] <cassielfsw> http://pastebin.com/WP7uVahx
[20:53] <nanodrone> no other distory has good support for multitouch gestures
[20:53] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | nanodrone
[20:53] <nanodrone> lotuspsychje, didn't know that
[20:54] <k1l_> cassielfsw: make a "#" in front of that line 57 in that paste (which is in sources.list"
[20:54] <the_count> Bashing-om: There are no proprietary drivers installed
[20:54] <B4sh> #wordpress
[20:54] <k1l_> cassielfsw: its linking to quantal sources, which is dead long time already
[20:55] <Bashing-om> the_count: Ok.. show now what we have for kernels ( can not remove the one we are booting ) ' dpkg -l | grep linux ' .
[20:55] <k1l_> cassielfsw: everything else looks good. so i think there should not be any issue
[20:55] <the_count> Bashing-om: Not sure about drivers and all, but take a look at this, maybe build it into the kernel...? https://github.com/pfps/yoga-laptop
[20:55] <Bashing-om> the_count: reading .
[20:56] <cassielfsw> k1l_: done I'll try it again
[20:56] <the_count> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13457522/
[20:56] <cassielfsw> thanks for the help
[20:56] <nbrecht01> .part
[20:59] <Bashing-om> the_count: " https://github.com/pfps/yoga-laptop "
[20:59] <Bashing-om>  the_count ^^ think these patches have alreasy been done in these later kernels .
[21:00] <momomo> is there a better file browser than nautilus ?
[21:00] <wafflejock1> momomo: better is subjective, I like nemo
[21:00] <the_count> Bashing-om: Ok, i was not sure
[21:01] <momomo> when I navigate to select a file for intance, i'd like to be able to right click and open the folder ... it's not possible with nautilus
[21:01] <MonkeyDust> momomo  you mean 'other', not 'better'
[21:01] <k1l_> momomo: it is with nautlius
[21:01] <the_count> Bashing-om: You see, My screen does not auto rotate, there are a couple of quirks... Not that i really mind, it's just that something is not working as it should.
[21:02] <EriC^^> momomo: it has a right click > open  or open in new tab
[21:02] <MonkeyDust> momomo  is there anything about ubuntu you *do* like?
[21:02] <wafflejock1> momomo: yah beyond what's in there you can extend the commands too http://askubuntu.com/questions/21953/how-do-i-customize-the-context-menu-in-nautilus
[21:02] <momomo> MonkeyDust, actually not much
[21:02] <momomo> EriC^^, not when you are in navigation mode from a browser for instance
[21:02] <wafflejock1> personally just like having a split view so I use nemo most of the time
[21:02] <MonkeyDust> momomo  then why are you using it?
[21:03] <k1l_> momomo: thats a different thing
[21:03] <Bashing-om> the_count: Yhe references are all to older jernels than what you are booting ... I have been researching .. and there have been many patches and bug fixes in these later kernels . You did install the -53 kernel . Have you booted it and see how the touchpad performs ?
[21:04] <momomo> MonkeyDust, big mistake i made two years ago .. and i have spent more than 160 hours on trying to fix stuff and setup keyboard, hotkeys and what not .. and today i am mostly at a stripped down version and basic things like task switcher do not work peroperly
[21:04] <the_count> Bashing-om: I'll try it now
[21:04] <momomo> i decided to update to 15.10 today
[21:04] <momomo> and i did
[21:04] <momomo> k1l_, the problem still exists with minimze without live previews on
[21:05] <momomo> off
[21:05] <the_count> Bashing-om: Talk to you in a bit
[21:05] <momomo> and when live previous is on, then static task switcher keeps showing minimized windows as selectable
[21:06] <momomo> it's actually mostly unity that sucks than ubunut
[21:06] <MonkeyDust> momomo  what's keeping you from using something other than ubuntu?
[21:07] <momomo> MonkeyDust, time invested .. and i am alreayd behind scheduely on alot of things .. a switch might cost me about 1 weeks in constant effor tot setup
[21:07] <jonny_> in bash, what does this line mean: if [ $# -lt 3 ]; then
[21:07] <momomo> properly
[21:07] <jonny_> what does this conditional check for?
[21:07] <the_count> Bashing-om: Still no luck with the 53 kernel... I am in it now, not any difference I can see from it and the newest
[21:07] <EriC^^> jonny_: if number of arguments are less than 3
[21:07] <k1l_> momomo: then dont use static switcher
[21:07] <momomo> k1l_, what should i use ? unity switcher /
[21:07] <momomo> ?
[21:08] <momomo> that sucks more .. with its idiotic grouping without an option to disable it
[21:08] <jonny_> thanks EriC^^. for the future, how do I find this information from a manual?
[21:08] <k1l_> the one that works like intended
[21:08] <momomo> k1l_, unity swithcer/
[21:08] <momomo> ?
[21:08] <EriC^^> jonny_: man bash , then /<string> , n to go to next match
[21:08] <k1l_> momomo: i fear you have to program your own desktop then, if everyone is too dumb to make it work like you want it....
[21:08] <momomo> gnome2 was good
[21:09] <k1l_> momomo: then use mate
[21:09] <Guest89616> hi guys, how can I emulate thing arrow keys in the terminal?
[21:09] <MonkeyDust> mate is nice
[21:09] <Bashing-om> the_count: -53 is the newest .. So we can surmise that re-install say the -49 kernel will also be of no effect . What I would suggest is to change the graphic's driver . What have we harware wise to work with ' lspci ' ?
[21:09] <momomo> k1l_, maybe .. but don't you agree the switcher is not ideal in unity ?
[21:09] <MonkeyDust> momomo  the moment you see something, you want the change it completely, no wonder you're behind on schedule
[21:09] <jonny_> thanks EriC^^
[21:09] <wafflejock1> momomo: you can use unity-tweak to change a lot of the defaults
[21:09] <EriC^^> jonny_: no problem
[21:10] <k1l_> momomo: the switcher is totally fine. i use it and it works
[21:10] <momomo> wafflejock1, unity tweak tool .. haha .. that's a good name for sometjing that renders transparantly buggy .. but it works for some stuff like chaging power options
[21:10] <the_count> Bashing-om: THe only -53 I have now is 3.16.0-53-generic, you must have misread, otherwise, it is not showing up in GRUB
[21:10] <wafflejock1> momomo: again personal preference here but I like gnome 3 just fine
[21:10] <k1l_> momomo: i dont want to tab through 35 tabs if i have some programs with several windows open.
[21:10] <momomo> k1l_, do you ever open two or more windows of the same application ?
[21:11] <lotuspsychje> momomo: loose the attitude mate
[21:11] <momomo> you tab . and then suddenly you have to know to use the left key to navigate previous
[21:11] <momomo> previws
[21:11] <the_count> Bashing-om: I thought the 3.19~ series was the latest
[21:11] <k1l_> momomo: i only see you hours of debating on irc what you dont like.
[21:11] <momomo> lotuspsychje, i would
[21:11] <momomo> if i could just get around this issue
[21:11] <k1l_> momomo: so just switch to something you like and you can safe 20hours per week coming here and telling everyone what you dont like.
[21:12] <momomo> all other applicaion switcehr have simialr issue in compiz
[21:12] <momomo> k1l_, it's also feedback :p
[21:12] <MonkeyDust> momomo  then don't use compiz
[21:12] <k1l_> momomo: no. its annoying
[21:12] <lotuspsychje> momomo: its not feedback, its your opinion
[21:12] <momomo> i am also describing exisit issues
[21:12] <momomo> existing issues
[21:12] <freakyy> how do i find out how much RAM my graphics card has?
[21:12] <k1l_> momomo: file a bug.
[21:13] <wafflejock1> momomo: write a blog post that explains what you think the problems are and what the possible solutions are or like k1l_ said file a bug, complaining in IRC doesn't help anything
[21:13] <MonkeyDust> momomo  i name the bug: 'what i don't like'
[21:13] <mcphail> momomo: alt+` doesn't work for you (not sure I can keep track of what you don't like)
[21:13] <k1l_> momomo: so to be clear: this channel is not for your rantings or debating. make a blogpost for that. we try to solve technical issues in here. so please keep this channel for people who actually need support
[21:14] <MonkeyDust> momomo  find a distro or OS you like, then go to their channel for support
[21:14] <momomo> mcphail, maximize a widnwo .. minmize it .. then maximize it again by click on the icon .. use the mouse .. try to click on a small icon .. it should click on the wrong position
[21:14] <Bashing-om> the_count:  You are correct .. 3.16 kernel ! I do recall questioning what it would get installed .. my bad . OK .. so we can try and re-install linux-image-3.19.0-33-generic ; But I feel the better to mess around with the graphic's driver .
[21:15] <k1l_> momomo: that works on 15.10. how often should i say that again.
[21:15] <momomo> k1l_, i am on 15.10 now
[21:15] <the_count> Bashing-om: I really don't have anything to loose
[21:15] <k1l_> momomo: you changed compiz settings with a different launcher.
[21:15] <the_count> Bashing-om: Why again the graphics driver?
[21:16] <momomo> k1l_, yes, the problem is with the static switcher with unity live previews off
[21:16] <momomo> try that ...
[21:16] <momomo> if you enable live previous it gets solved
[21:16] <k1l_> momomo: so. either you help to fix that or you need to change the setup or you live with it.
[21:16] <momomo> but then another issue arises
[21:16] <lotuspsychje> !info sysinfo | freakyy
[21:17] <Bashing-om> the_count: If this is Nvidia graphics, I have seen several bug reports in respect to the synaptic touchpad that were referred back to Nvidia for the fix .
[21:17] <k1l_> momomo: and since we could not find something "you like" so far, i think there is nothing  we can do. so its just pointless to keep you telling us again and again what you dont like.
[21:17] <momomo> yes, iknow
[21:17] <momomo> all other switchers have similar issues too in compiz
[21:18] <momomo> it's just frustrating becaue thats what i use most ..
[21:18] <k1l_> then dont use a desktop that uses compiz or live with the compiz settings that are standard and known to work. your choice.
[21:18] <momomo> i like the unity switcher which works well.. i just don't like the grouping .. and all fixes for that on the internet, sugests the static application switcher ..
[21:19] <the_count> Bashing-om: It is not Nvidia, Integrated graphics, Ubuntu says, ' Intel® Haswell Mobile ' but it is integrated with my processor, and is, ' 	
[21:19] <momomo> i am going fo cinnammon next
[21:19] <the_count> Bashing-om: Integrated Intel® HD Graphics 4400
[21:20] <momomo> actually right now
[21:20] <MonkeyDust> momomo  if ypou don't like cinnamon, we don't want to know it
[21:20] <Bashing-om> the_count: K; Intel supplies their very best to us and it is in the kernel .. no adjustments required .. unless this lappy is of optimus technology ( hybrid graphics ) .. just a thought .
[21:21] <momomo> hey guys, i am sorry for ranting .. and i hope you forgive me .. i think you understand these kind of frustrations and I appreciate that you have tried, many of you .. i am just tired of finding one solution and then finding out something else stopped working .. and it has costed me time ... and i keep revist the problem .. so sorry for that .. and lets hope cinnamon is better
[21:21] <momomo> if not, i'll bother those guys in linux mint :p
[21:22] <lotuspsychje> momomo: mint will get you in trouble
[21:22] <momomo> fcuk wut?
[21:22] <momomo> i just installed it, not yet relogged
[21:22] <momomo> lotuspsychje, anything concrete i will encounter ?
[21:22] <lotuspsychje> !flavors | momomo try one of these
[21:22] <the_count> Bahsing-om: optimus technology?
[21:24] <lotuspsychje> the_count: optimus graphics cards are hybrid and can switch from intel/nvidia
[21:25] <rgb-one> hello
[21:25] <rgb-one> Anyone here work at a hospital?
[21:25] <lotuspsychje> !ot | rgb-one
[21:26] <k1l_> rgb-one: this channel is for ubuntu support. :/
[21:26] <the_count> Bashing-om: Then it is standalone Intel graphics
[21:26] <OerHeks> rgb-one, how is that related to ubuntu support/
[21:26] <_despo> is this secure
[21:26] <rgb-one> It isn't
[21:26] <rgb-one> :0
[21:26] <_despo> crap
[21:26] <k1l_> _despo: this is the technical ubuntu support channel.
[21:27] <rgb-one> I know I will check offtopic
[21:27] <_despo> right thanks
[21:27] <_despo> so what to do with irc now
[21:31] <Bashing-om> the_count: OK .. so which kernel do you choose to purge/re-install ?
[21:32] <larden> hi guys
[21:32] <yimon> hiii
[21:32] <the_count> I don't see why not the latest.
[21:32] <the_count> bashing-om: ^^^
[21:32] <nottobe> ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[21:33] <nottobe> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmaXHWPIovE
[21:33] <lotuspsychje> !ot | nottobe
[21:33] <Bashing-om> the_count: Reboot to a 3.16 kernel and we proceed to do the kernel reinstall then .
[21:33] <the_count> Bashing-om: I am in the 3.16.0-53 kernel now
[21:35] <nottobe> üzdünüz kekeler..
[21:35] <MonkeyDust> !tr
[21:39] <the_count> Bashing-om: So, how do we do this?
[21:40] <lara_> irc://vervet.foonetic.net:6667/#kcl
[21:41] <OerHeks> no no, lara_ don't spam
[21:41] <mas886> pillow
[21:41] <Lamananier> Throw a pillow to mas886
[21:42] <Bashing-om> the_count: ' sudo apt-get purge linux-image-3.19.0-33-generic ;  sudo apt-get purge linux-headers-3.19.0-33-generic ;  sudo apt-get purge linux-headers-3.19.0-33 ; sudo apt-get purge linux-image-extra-3.19.0-33-generic  '. Should do the trick .
[21:42] <OerHeks> mas886, remove that bot
[21:42] <macci> hi guys, How to simulate left arrow key with xdotool? the command "xdotool key left" doesn't work unfortunately
[21:42] <mas886> Okay sorry.
[21:43] <OerHeks> !coc > mas886
[21:45] <reisio> macci: 'Left'?
[21:45] <the_count> Bashing-om: Ok
[21:46] <the_count> Bashing-om: Says this program is no longer needed: thermald
[21:46] <the_count> Bashing-om: Shall I remove it?
[21:47] <macci> reisio: reisio, I found the solution: xdotool key "Left"
[21:47] <macci> reisio: thank you for collaborating
[21:47] <reisio> macci: oh, did you find it after I gave it to you? :p
[21:48] <the_count> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13459048/
[21:48] <macci> reisio: yes, you did gave me the right direction
[21:48] <reisio> gj
[21:48] <reisio> some things are picky like that
[21:48] <reisio> macci: FFR, if you run 'xev', and press the key you're thinking of, it'll say its exact name/id
[21:49] <the_count> Bashing-om: have to go for a while
[21:49] <VictoriaXOXO> the_count: What is it exactly that you and Bashing-om keep chatting about? You've been doing it for days now. Some really weird bug?
[21:55] <Glamdring> I've got a natively running game that has developed a consistent error. How can I get a log of the problem so I can see what's going awry?
[21:57] <Bashing-om> VictoriaXOXO: the_count And I are working to understand why in a synaptics touch pad - among others - that 2 finger scrolling does not work .
[21:57] <VictoriaXOXO> Bashing-om: Oh, okay. :P
[21:58] <Bashing-om> VictoriaXOXO: If ya got some insights.. welcome to the party .. touchpad works in earlie kernels, broke in the later kernels .
[22:03] <ke4nhw> Folks, I'll continue to play with this distro, and see if it gets any more inviting, but right now I'm gonna consider this more a learning experiment than a true preparation for a production environment. I am just having too much trouble switching mindsets from RH to Ubuntu methologies
[22:03] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: did you check xinput?
[22:06] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Yeah .. we are getting lost in translation - somewhere .
[22:06] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: ^^ also one AlexQ also has this similar siruation .
[22:07] <EriC^^> did you try xinput list-props <id of synaptics> ?
[22:08] <cschuck> Anybody having problems installing Eclipse themes in Ubuntu?
[22:08] <EriC^^> i have these in xinput Synaptics Two-Finger Pressure (275):	282 , Synaptics Two-Finger Width (276):	7
[22:09] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Thanks, will verify soon as the_count returns and we get the latest kernel re-installed .
[22:14] <VictoriaXOXO> Bashing-om: No help from me, I'm afraid. I was just curious about what the problem was.
[22:17] <ubuntu351> hello
[22:17] <owen1> i played with encfs and i have a folder called visible that i can't remove - rm: cannot remove ‘visible’: Is a directory. ls -l => d?????????   ? ?    ?          ?            ? visible
[22:18] <ubuntu351> is there any software for ubuntu that would let me run a game on one computer in my house, and like stream it to another laptop across the house
[22:18] <EriC^^> it's encrypted by another user owen1
[22:18] <ubuntu351> i have a pretty good gaming computer and a weak laptop, I was wondering if there was a way to run the game on gaming computer but play it on the laptop
[22:18] <EriC^^> owen1: fusermount -u /path/to/visible
[22:19] <owen1> EriC^^: fusermount: entry for /home/oren/visible not found in /etc/mtab
[22:19] <owen1> the problem is i rm -r ~/.encrypted
[22:20] <EriC^^> owen1: what does df /path/to/visible show?
[22:20] <owen1> Filesystem                  1K-blocks     Used Available Use% Mounted on
[22:20] <owen1> /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root 222439052 94081300 117035384  45% /
[22:20] <owen1> YYy
[22:21] <EriC^^> owen1: if you ls -l as the user oren you also can't see it?
[22:24] <owen1> EriC^^: i see it: drwx------  2 oren oren 4096 Nov 22 12:17 visible
[22:24] <EriC^^> owen1: type rm -r /path/to/visible if you don't have any data you need
[22:25] <owen1> EriC^^: wierd. i was able to rm it. thanks
[22:25] <EriC^^> owen1: no problem
[22:26] <owen1> EriC^^: so if i have 2 folders where i keep my files: enrcypted and decrypted  and i want to back it up, do i need to backup both on my backup server?
[22:26] <owen1> i mean i keep my files in 'decrypted' and 'encrypted' is used as well as part of encfs.
[22:28] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: How would I get this terminal command "exiftool -all= *.jpg" as a right-click option? Like, in the context menu? Does anyone know?
[22:29] <reisio> VictoriaXOXO: for Unity/GNOME ?
[22:29] <VictoriaXOXO> reisio: MATE, whatever that is.
[22:30] <EriC^^> owen1: if you want them as encrypted data you need to copy the .encrypted dir, otherwise if you want them as decrypted data you just copy them as usual after decrypting with encfs
[22:30] <reisio> VictoriaXOXO: MATE is MATE, a fork of GNOME 2
[22:30] <VictoriaXOXO> reisio: Oh. :P
[22:30] <daftykins> VictoriaXOXO: Topic for #ubuntu-mate: Home of Ubuntu MATE
[22:30] <daftykins> small channel, but has some nice links in the topic
[22:30] <reisio> VictoriaXOXO: ls /usr/bin/*actions-config-tool*
[22:31] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Gulp. I'll ask in there, but doubt anyone will answer.
[22:31] <VictoriaXOXO> reisio: Hold on.
[22:31] <reisio> VictoriaXOXO: not something I'd want to do on individual files via a GUI, though
[22:32] <VictoriaXOXO> reisio: Can I PM you?
[22:32] <daftykins> !patience | VictoriaXOXO
[22:32] <reisio> find . -iname '*.jp*g*' (check for sanity), and find . -iname '*.jp*g*' -exec exiftool -all= {} \;
[22:32] <owen1> EriC^^: got it. thanks
[22:36] <_Ridgewing> How do I add bug tracking to this project ? Should I just add code, and take it from there ?
[22:36] <_Ridgewing> https://launchpad.net/xbox360
[22:36] <daftykins> that has nothing to do with ubuntu i'm afraid, i think there's a launchpad channel
[22:36] <_Ridgewing> k
[22:39] <ubuntu098> hey guys i have a question. i started learning python. I made simple browser following tutorials. now i need improve it. How to get current loaded web page and show it url entry bar?
[22:40] <EriC^^> #python ubuntu098
[22:41] <ubuntu098> aww thanks
[22:50] <dn5> yo, how do I backup wireless drivers?
[22:51] <daftykins> were they manually compiled?
[22:51] <dn5> daftykins: compiled no, installed yes
[22:51] <daftykins> do you remember what method?
[22:52] <dn5> daftykins: not really, no.. maybe fwcutter
[22:52] <dn5> don't take me for a word
[22:52] <daftykins> can you identify the model? "lspci"
[22:52] <dn5> yes, one second
[22:52] <dn5> daftykins: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller
[22:56] <daftykins> dn5: cool, one moment
[22:56] <daftykins> !broadcom
[22:57] <daftykins> dn5: anything show up if you run "dpkg -l | grep bcm" ?
[22:59] <dn5> bcmwl-kernel-source 6.30.223.248+bdcom-0ubuntu0.1 Broadcom 802.11 Linux STA wireless driver source
[22:59] <dn5> and CMIS protocol client @ daftykins
[22:59] <daftykins> dn5: alrighty; and "lshw -C network | nc termbin.com 9999" ?
[23:02] <dn5> daftykins: yes, here is the output http://termbin.com/f7s2
[23:03] <daftykins> dn5: sorry this is so long winded; "dpkg -l | grep b43 | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:04] <dn5> daftykins: np, output http://termbin.com/d83w
[23:09] <daftykins> dn5: ah-ha! looks like you may've followed "b42 - no internet access" on the above linked broadcom page :)
[23:09] <daftykins> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[23:09] <daftykins> so you should be ok regardless
[23:10] <daftykins> !info b43-fwcutter
[23:10] <daftykins> yep still in 15.10
[23:10] <dn5> daftykins: Probably, thus I don't have ethernet access
[23:10] <dn5> daftykins: If I make a fresh install there is no way to get this files until I get net access
[23:11] <daftykins> dn5: if you have a quick glance at the section i mean, you'll see it means you can install from the ubuntu disc
[23:11] <daftykins> so you don't need internet access to get the packages on :)
[23:12] <dn5> daftykins: tho I won't install Ubuntu
[23:12] <daftykins> err what's the plan then?
[23:13] <dn5> daftykins: I'm going for Ubuntu children, mate
[23:14] <daftykins> dn5: "MATE edition" ?
[23:14] <daftykins> doesn't matter which variant it is, same driver should go across all
[23:14] <dn5> daftykins: yes.
[23:15] <dn5> daftykins: Doesn't mean MATE have these packages in ISO
[23:15] <daftykins> true, but you can test that from a live session
[23:15] <daftykins> dn5: alternatively, visit packages.ubuntu.com and download the above named package and all its' dependencies for the version you plan to install
[23:15] <daftykins> then just have all the .debs ready to go
[23:16] <dn5> daftykins: So, which deb or package should I additionally backup for post installation
[23:17] <daftykins> dn5: run "apt-cache showpkg b43-fwcutter" which should list all deps
[23:19] <dn5> ah, thanks! daftykins
[23:19] <daftykins> np :)
[23:37] <hadeswatch3r> wpa_suplicant is taking up 90% cpu on new Ubuntu 15.10 .... Maximus VII impact 6600k ...
[23:37] <hadeswatch3r> ?
[23:41] <reisio> hadeswatch3r: what's the problem?
[23:41] <snarkbark> hey all, I've got ubuntu 15.10 running on an xps 13 9343 with an i5 broadwell and I'm experiencing an issue where if I'm playing a game fullscreen and then touch the volume, my screen freezes but I still have control over my mouse
[23:42] <hadeswatch3r> wpa_supplicaint is taking up alot of cpu .... my computer is very sluggish... as in pausing etc...
[23:42] <snarkbark> I can restart lightdm and get booted back to the login and then I can do w/e as normal. Any idea where to look to see what would be causing this issue?
[23:42] <hadeswatch3r> is this the wireless card stuff? (I'm  not using wireless )
[23:42] <waressearcher2> if someone don't have ubuntu can he go here and ask generic question related to many linuxes ? or its not ethical and ge will not get help here ?
[23:42] <k1l_> waressearcher2: there is ##linux
[23:42] <Ben64> hadeswatch3r: wpa_supplicant is wirelesss
[23:43] <hadeswatch3r> So why is it killing my machine?
[23:43] <hadeswatch3r> or trying to kill it I should say..
[23:43] <waressearcher2> k1l_: what if that someone want's go here and not ##linux ? will it be frown upon ?
[23:43] <Ben64> hadeswatch3r: hard to tell, try to kill the process? if you're not using wireless you don't need it
[23:43] <k1l_> waressearcher2: ##linux for generic questions. we focus on solving ubuntu issues in here.
[23:44] <hadeswatch3r> yes, I have been killing it ... but, it just restarts itself.
[23:44] <hadeswatch3r> and begins taking cpu cycles again ..
[23:44] <hadeswatch3r> can I remove wpa supplicant ?
[23:44] <hadeswatch3r> or will that break something?
[23:45] <bmsr256> hi, do i have to manually update the kernel to 4.3 or the ubuntu updater will do it automatically?
[23:45] <Ben64> hadeswatch3r: sudo apt-get remove wpasupplicant
[23:46] <Ben64> hadeswatch3r: you'll be unable to connect to wireless though
[23:46] <k1l_> bmsr256: no. ubuntu will not change the kernel version. it will just ship patches for 4.2. why do you need the 4.3 kernel?
[23:46] <VictoriaXOXO> (Unity/GNOME this time!) Q: How would I get this terminal command "exiftool -all= *.jpg" as a right-click option? Like, in the context menu? Does anyone know?
[23:46] <hadeswatch3r> Ben64 that's ok.
[23:46] <hadeswatch3r> I assume that this Motherboard is too new yet...
[23:47] <Ben64> hadeswatch3r: it's probably a wireless card that isn't supported properly
[23:47] <hadeswatch3r> reisio thank you for you help.
[23:47] <hadeswatch3r> Ben64, right, thank you for your help.
[23:47] <hadeswatch3r> I have it removed... I'll reboot this thing now.
[23:47] <Ben64> shouldn't need to reboot
[23:49] <bmsr256> k1l_: i've heard that the 4.3 kernel will have some AMP GPU controller features and some fixes
[23:49] <rui> !add
[23:49] <k1l_> !mainline | bmsr256
[23:49] <bmsr256> i'm just asking, i don't necessarily have to do this
[23:49] <waressearcher2> k1l_: "ubuntu issues" so by that you mean you will not teach someone how to use or do some stuff but if someone have problems with some stuff or something broken this is what you call "ubuntu issues" ?
[23:49] <k1l_> bmsr256: but you dont get updates then and they miss some patches the regular ubuntu kernels got.
[23:50] <waressearcher2> k1l_: so its not like an "ubuntu educational" channel for beginners ?
[23:50] <Ben64> i think 16.04 is going to be kernel 4.3
[23:50] <k1l_> waressearcher2: its very easy: if its ubuntu support ask here. if its generic questions (and you know its generic hence you start a discussion about that) then ask in ##linux
[23:50] <hexafraction> Hello, has anyone either tried or heard of Ubuntu working on Cyberpowerpc fangbook devices?
[23:51] <bmsr256> k1l_ ok i understand, btw i stick with 4.2, that's what it has, i'm with 15.10
[23:51] <yagami> oi
[23:52] <bmsr256> i'll let the updater search and update it automatically
[23:52] <k1l_> Ben64: thought more like 4.5 in the end for 16.04 since its still some time untill the freeze and it was 0.3 more than the last release the last times
[23:52] <Guy1524> hey guys, so i have an optimus laptop and I have nvidia-prime, I found out that it is impossible to use multiple monitors without using the noveau drivers which apparently are terrible, but I really want to use a bigger screen, is there a way to use just one external display and make the drivers not recognize the laptop display or something along those lines?
[23:53] <Ben64> k1l_: it started as 4.2, and i saw somewhere that it was going to be rebased on 4.3, i guess it can still change though
[23:54] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: What would be the most "clean" way of completely removing the entire LibreOffice suite from Ubuntu?
[23:54] <daftykins> Guy1524: tried toggling the outputs from the laptops Fn+F# key?
[23:54] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: sudo apt-get purge libreoffice
[23:55] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: And that removes the entire suite and everything?
[23:55] <waressearcher2> is there alternative to LibreOffice ?
[23:55] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: yes
[23:55] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Peeeeeeerfect.
[23:55] <waressearcher2> openoffice or koffice anything else ?
[23:56] <reisio> waressearcher2: abiword, gnumeric
[23:56] <AlexQ> Is Upstart in wily still experimental and disabled by default (in the default boot record created by GRUB)?
[23:56] <daftykins> waressearcher2: not one that is worth bothering with, probably.
[23:56] <JimmyNeutron> I'm trying to install Ubuntu Server 14.04.3 onto my computer, Intel D525MW Atom processor, and it's hanging on the screen "Select a language"  Any help would be appreciated.
[23:57] <k1l_> AlexQ: since 15.04 systemd is the default init
[23:57] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Uhh. What? I was just inside Writer and Calc! http://pastebin.com/1rYs2jbv
[23:57] <daftykins> meta package is meta
[23:57] <AlexQ> k1l_: So upstart is the older one? Woo, I got confused. So if I want to start/stop something, I should use service <name> start/stop/restart ?
[23:58] <daftykins> JimmyNeutron: MD5 your downloaded ISO and check it on the flash drive / media you put it on?
[23:58] <rdconsolo> waressearcher2: koffice now is Calligra. openoffice, very good, but libreoffice gets updates more frequently
[23:58] <JimmyNeutron> daftykins, ok..let me check it..thanks!
[23:58] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: sudo apt-get autoremove?
[23:59] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Okay, hold on.
[23:59] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: if that doesnt remove all, then use "sudo apt-get purge libreoffice*"