daftykins | aww yeah, few home truths getting told at last | 00:14 |
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pauljw | :) | 00:15 |
latrodectus | damn troll in #ubuntu | 00:20 |
daftykins | indeed, that user has been in under several nicknames masquerading as different folk and continues to ask stupid questions | 00:20 |
latrodectus | does he use the same host every time? | 00:21 |
latrodectus | because if he does just /slience him | 00:21 |
latrodectus | don't ban or kick | 00:21 |
daftykins | unfortunately, i don't log or take note to spot - but i did notice a theme to the mtr | 00:21 |
latrodectus | i always log | 00:21 |
latrodectus | plus #ubuntu is always logged anyways | 00:21 |
daftykins | yeah, only chat though not joins for hostmasks etc i thought? | 00:22 |
daftykins | i avoid logging for my sanity :) | 00:22 |
daftykins | "live in the moment" | 00:22 |
latrodectus | lol | 00:22 |
latrodectus | i like having the ability to throw words back at the stupid ones | 00:23 |
OerHeks | "always be helpfull" grinn | 00:23 |
pauljw | :) | 00:24 |
daftykins | i think i might know this Vic from another channel as it goes, before the paranoid VPN usage, i think i saw an mtr go to an aorta.net address | 00:24 |
daftykins | but i don't fully understand what aorta is | 00:25 |
pauljw | brb | 00:27 |
OerHeks | hmm 129,95 refurbished http://store.bq.com/es/ubuntu-edition-e-4-5-outlet | 00:27 |
daftykins | mmm super low spec | 00:30 |
daftykins | the screen in particular | 00:30 |
pauljw | gnite all | 02:19 |
lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 02:27 |
Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: Most still here .. rest well ? | 02:33 |
lotuspsychje | yeah had a good sleep Bashing-om | 02:33 |
Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: Great, then "they" can start wearing on your nerves . "they" have frazed mine out ( daftykins is holding up well ) . | 02:34 |
lotuspsychje | lol | 02:35 |
lotuspsychje | Bashing-om: the_count still here to solve things?? | 02:35 |
daftykins | =] | 02:35 |
daftykins | Bashing-om: sleep well o/ | 02:35 |
lotuspsychje | you guys spent hours on him already | 02:35 |
lotuspsychje | hey daftykins | 02:35 |
daftykins | hiya | 02:35 |
daftykins | sec just settling into bed :D | 02:36 |
lotuspsychje | http://news.softpedia.com/news/open-source-amdgpu-linux-driver-released-supports-the-latest-amd-gpus-496545.shtml | 02:37 |
lotuspsychje | cosy irc :p | 02:37 |
daftykins | yep :D | 02:39 |
Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: I had heard yesterday that AMD had released the driver . Awaiting now to know how it works on the real world . | 02:41 |
lotuspsychje | yeah | 02:41 |
* daftykins clicks to see what this one will be called from xorg's point of view | 02:43 | |
daftykins | is it 'amdgpu' ? | 02:44 |
lotuspsychje | not sure | 02:45 |
Bashing-om | daftykins: No idea .. I had for some reason expected " FGLRX-updates" . | 02:45 |
daftykins | i guess time will tell | 02:46 |
Bashing-om | The indications I understood, the fix was now in the repo .. lotuspsychje Ya booting 15.10 to see ? | 02:48 |
lotuspsychje | Bashing-om: im on trusty and xenial upstairs :p | 02:48 |
Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: daftykins Well ,, I guess we await another ginny pig to see . | 02:50 |
lotuspsychje | lol | 02:50 |
* daftykins grins widely, in a slightly concerning way | 02:51 | |
daftykins | amdgpu is going to have TearFree :O | 02:52 |
lotuspsychje | !find xf86 | 02:54 |
ubot5 | Found: libxcb-xf86dri0, libxcb-xf86dri0-dbg, libxcb-xf86dri0-dev, libxxf86dga-dev, libxxf86dga1, libxxf86dga1-dbg, libxxf86vm-dev, libxxf86vm1, libxxf86vm1-dbg, x11proto-xf86bigfont-dev (and 8 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xf86&searchon=names&suite=vivid§ion=all | 02:54 |
Bashing-om | To this time I can not cross reference to see if the new driver is in the repo . | 02:55 |
Bashing-om | shucks. | 02:55 |
lotuspsychje | !find amdgpu | 02:55 |
ubot5 | Package/file amdgpu does not exist in vivid | 02:55 |
lotuspsychje | another source: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMDGPU-Xorg-1.0 | 02:56 |
daftykins | i think it'd need to be the long name | 02:56 |
daftykins | maybe like a "xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu" | 02:57 |
Bashing-om | thers a thought ..lemee see . | 02:58 |
daftykins | but thenthe article said xf86-video-amdgpu so i'm not sure if they are renamed by Canonical | 02:59 |
lotuspsychje | driver might be just named amdgpu perhaps | 02:59 |
lotuspsychje | as radeon | 02:59 |
daftykins | i think that's just the name as per you would configure in xorg.conf though | 02:59 |
daftykins | radeon is still xserver-xorg-video-radeon in package form, no? | 02:59 |
lotuspsychje | yeah | 02:59 |
lotuspsychje | lotuspsychje@R00TB0X:~$ apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-radeon | 03:01 |
lotuspsychje | xserver-xorg-video-radeon: | 03:01 |
lotuspsychje | Geïnstalleerd: 1:7.3.0-1ubuntu3.1 | 03:01 |
lotuspsychje | we findout soon on R9 users :p | 03:03 |
daftykins | ok i'm going folks, g'night and i'll see you in the week :) | 03:05 |
daftykins | next time on a whole new episode of... #ubuntu ! | 03:06 |
lotuspsychje | nite nite daftykins | 03:06 |
cdshan | Hi! Could some one help me out with the upgrade from Ubuntu 14.10 to 15.04? I had tried the documentation available on the net but am not able to succeed. some inputs would be very much appreciated! | 03:27 |
lotuspsychje | cdshan: this is ubuntu discuss channel mate | 03:28 |
cdshan | lotuspsychje: what is the right channel to discuss about this? | 03:46 |
lotuspsychje | cdshan: thats not a discussion, but an ubuntu support question | 03:48 |
lotuspsychje | cdshan: so in #ubuntu | 03:48 |
cdshan | ok, thanks for the info | 03:48 |
lordievader | Good morning. | 08:51 |
lotuspsychje | good afternoon TJ- | 12:53 |
TJ- | hiya :) | 12:53 |
lotuspsychje | http://news.softpedia.com/news/open-source-amdgpu-linux-driver-released-supports-the-latest-amd-gpus-496545.shtml | 12:54 |
TJ- | About time - only 15 years late | 12:57 |
lotuspsychje | :p | 12:57 |
TJ- | Let's hope it has better quality than the fglxr | 12:59 |
lotuspsychje | yeah, now to wait for R9 users :p | 12:59 |
lotuspsychje | cfhowlett: http://news.softpedia.com/news/puppy-linux-based-studio-13-37-aims-to-be-the-ultimate-pro-audio-distro-gallery-496553.shtml | 13:18 |
cfhowlett | ... cause ANOTHER linux audio distro is exactly what we need! :) | 13:19 |
lotuspsychje | :p | 13:19 |
lotuspsychje | 'the best!' | 13:20 |
lotuspsychje | hi lordievader | 13:30 |
lordievader | o/ | 13:32 |
lotuspsychje | hey EriC^^ | 14:02 |
EriC^^ | hey lotuspsychje | 14:02 |
lotuspsychje | hows the tv doing? | 14:02 |
EriC^^ | it's good :P | 14:02 |
lotuspsychje | movie overtime :p | 14:03 |
lotuspsychje | did you see blackhat yet EriC^^ ? | 14:03 |
EriC^^ | nope | 14:03 |
EriC^^ | any good? | 14:03 |
lotuspsychje | yeah very good | 14:03 |
EriC^^ | cool | 14:04 |
* lotuspsychje throws a redhat to OerHeks | 14:04 | |
EriC^^ | TJ-: how come we can upgrade releases to the current development one but not jump to previous ones? | 14:04 |
EriC^^ | TJ-: like bumbar upgraded from 14.04 to 15.10 using do-release-upgrade -d , users usually have to go to 14.10 then 15.04 then 15.10 | 14:05 |
lotuspsychje | EriC^^: -d, --devel-release | 14:08 |
lotuspsychje | Check if upgrading to the latest devel release is possible | 14:08 |
lotuspsychje | dont think downgrade is possible on ubuntu | 14:09 |
cfhowlett | it's not an option | 14:09 |
EriC^^ | yeah, i know, how come users can't jump from 14.04 to let's say 15.10 ( if it's not development ) | 14:09 |
lotuspsychje | lts and non-lts are divided | 14:10 |
cfhowlett | EriC^^, because ubuntu only upgrades sequentially. sole exception: LTS | 14:10 |
EriC^^ | cfhowlett: yeah, but with -d it upgraded from lts to non-lts skipping 3-4 releases | 14:11 |
EriC^^ | i mean what's the idea behind it | 14:11 |
lotuspsychje | wrong command on the latest LTS | 14:12 |
lotuspsychje | resulted badly | 14:12 |
lotuspsychje | next in the row is 16.04 and 16.10 | 14:14 |
lotuspsychje | but as they dont exist yet... | 14:14 |
lotuspsychje | EriC^^: i also used do-release-upgrade -d from 15.10 to next release 16.04 | 14:14 |
EriC^^ | yeah | 14:14 |
lotuspsychje | EriC^^: but i wanted the early stage testing | 14:15 |
EriC^^ | like in couples months 16.04 comes out, if somebody is using 14.10 right now, he can just jump to it if he wants | 14:17 |
EriC^^ | instead of going 14.10 > 15.04 > 15.10 > 16.04 | 14:17 |
lotuspsychje | i dont think so | 14:18 |
EriC^^ | was wondering why he can't just do that straight away when 16.04 comes out, unless using -d isn't recommended and it's dangerous or something | 14:18 |
EriC^^ | ( i mean it might break the system more than the usual 14.10 > 15.04 > 15.10 > 16.04 ) | 14:18 |
lotuspsychje | EriC^^: i think the normal way is do-release-upgrade | 14:19 |
lotuspsychje | but the -d might force it | 14:20 |
cfhowlett | I'd feel much safer doing a clean install | 14:21 |
lotuspsychje | EriC^^: blueskaj might know more of this | 14:22 |
EriC^^ | lotuspsychje: xenial kernel is what? | 14:23 |
EriC^^ | i think bumbar is on xenial not 15.10 | 14:23 |
lotuspsychje | EriC^^: 4.2 and soon receive 4.3 i think | 14:24 |
EriC^^ | 4.2.0-19 is xenial? | 14:24 |
EriC^^ | !info linux-image-generic wily | 14:24 |
ubot5 | linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.2.0.18.20 (wily), package size 2 kB, installed size 10 kB | 14:24 |
lotuspsychje | !info linux-image-generic xenial | 14:24 |
ubot5 | linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.2.0.19.21 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 10 kB | 14:25 |
lotuspsychje | yeppers | 14:25 |
EriC^^ | he says he can't update | 14:27 |
EriC^^ | Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/InRelease | 14:27 |
lotuspsychje | hmm | 14:27 |
lotuspsychje | sudo apt-get update? | 14:27 |
EriC^^ | yeah, the file is there though just checked in a web browser | 14:27 |
lotuspsychje | EriC^^: or maybe other ppa's installed for his previous ubuntu? | 14:27 |
EriC^^ | nope the xenial main stuff | 14:27 |
lotuspsychje | weird | 14:28 |
lotuspsychje | i recently updated on my xenial box | 14:28 |
EriC^^ | i guess he has connection issues | 14:28 |
lotuspsychje | afternoon BluesKaj | 14:30 |
BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 14:30 |
BluesKaj | hey lotuspsychje | 14:30 |
lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: eric just had a trusty user upgrade to 15.10 with do-release-upgrade -d | 14:31 |
lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: can you explain the logic of this? | 14:31 |
EriC^^ | not me, he upgraded before we even met :P | 14:31 |
cfhowlett | yeah that sounds way suspect ... | 14:31 |
BluesKaj | nope, I can't, unless he upgraded to 16.04 from 15.10...he's mistaken I'm sure | 14:34 |
lotuspsychje | ah | 14:34 |
lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: so its not possible to upgrade lts to non-lts? | 14:34 |
BluesKaj | -d is devel OS | 14:34 |
EriC^^ | i think cause he had 14.04 he went to 16.04 | 14:35 |
EriC^^ | at first he said he was on 15.10 from 14.04 using -d | 14:35 |
BluesKaj | of course it is , just disable the LTS only upgrade in the package manager | 14:35 |
lotuspsychje | BluesKaj: but i upgraded also 15.10 to 16.04 with -d | 14:35 |
BluesKaj | yes but -d mean developement OS , not official release OS | 14:36 |
cfhowlett | that would be normal. | 14:36 |
lotuspsychje | ah | 14:36 |
lotuspsychje | ok teatime here | 14:37 |
lotuspsychje | :p | 14:37 |
BluesKaj | methinks there's some confusion or maybe some BS involved with your trusty user | 14:38 |
BluesKaj | lotuspsychje,^ | 14:38 |
BluesKaj | if he used -d then he mostlikely received 16.04, not 15.10, if he left the "LTS only upgrade" enabled, which is the default status afaik | 14:42 |
EriC^^ | BluesKaj: yeah it turned out he had 16.04 | 14:43 |
BluesKaj | EriC^^, right | 14:43 |
EriC^^ | he said 15.10 at first, so i was wondering how could he jump from 14.04 to 15.10 without going through 14.10 and 15.04 by using -d , didn't make much sense | 14:43 |
BluesKaj | exactly | 14:44 |
EriC^^ | like if someone had 13.10 and 16.04 is about to get released in a week they can just use -d and jump straight to that | 14:44 |
EriC^^ | but usually cant and have to go a bunch of releases up first | 14:44 |
BluesKaj | dunno , never tried skipping releases with -d | 14:45 |
TJ- | I recall doing some work with the release-upgrader-core some years ago. with 'do-release-upgrade --devel' it'll fetch http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development and take the latest "Supported: 1" entry | 15:01 |
MonkeyDust | yes | 16:53 |
lotuspsychje | good evening to all | 18:33 |
lordievader | o/ | 18:35 |
daftykins | \o | 18:35 |
lotuspsychje | hey lordievader i tested unity8/mir on xenial :p | 18:35 |
lotuspsychje | hi daftykins | 18:35 |
lordievader | Blegh Unity... | 18:35 |
lotuspsychje | lol | 18:35 |
lordievader | lotuspsychje: How was it? Horrible? | 18:35 |
lotuspsychje | hehe shiny bling like ubuntu touch :p | 18:36 |
lotuspsychje | but still shows as the phone version, alot of work needed until its desktop version | 18:36 |
lordievader | Is it usable yet? | 18:37 |
lotuspsychje | lordievader: mouse support works to slide the scopes and browsing works | 18:37 |
lotuspsychje | lordievader: but again, it doesnt look like a desktop yet, much more phone | 18:37 |
lordievader | Brr | 18:38 |
lotuspsychje | lol | 18:38 |
lotuspsychje | who knows what they will do with plasma in the future :p | 18:39 |
daftykins | wow at 3x to ask 'which OS are you in?' | 18:58 |
lotuspsychje | prrrt | 18:59 |
lotuspsychje | <guruprasad> I installed Ubuntu GNOME 15.10 on my desktop with Asus Z170-K motherboard and legacy mode enabled. The drive is formatted with GPT and already has Windows on it. | 18:59 |
lotuspsychje | thats his first question | 18:59 |
lotuspsychje | how are we suppose to know | 18:59 |
lordievader | How is that a question? | 19:00 |
lordievader | It mises the question mark and the... uhh... question. | 19:00 |
lotuspsychje | Bashing-om: hello mate | 19:04 |
Bashing-om | lotuspsychje: O/ .. 'Nother lovely day in the neighborhood . | 19:04 |
lotuspsychje | : ) | 19:04 |
lotuspsychje | i like uefi only when ubuntu boots it single :p | 19:08 |
lotuspsychje | lucky for our users we have EriC^^ :p | 19:09 |
OerHeks | i like uefa only when .... wait | 19:09 |
lotuspsychje | hahaha | 19:09 |
OerHeks | there are vendors that build their own uefi | 19:09 |
lotuspsychje | ubuntu and football even dont match OerHeks | 19:09 |
EriC^^ | i wish tj was here | 19:09 |
lotuspsychje | EriC^^: got a question? | 19:09 |
EriC^^ | i remember he had a bright idea about converting without booting into uefi mode | 19:10 |
lotuspsychje | EriC^^: converting what | 19:10 |
MonkeyDust | don't believe him | 19:10 |
EriC^^ | ah i remember | 19:10 |
lotuspsychje | lol MonkeyDust | 19:10 |
lotuspsychje | never saw you was here MonkeyDust | 19:11 |
EriC^^ | loading the efivars module or something so grub can access it from a legacy booted session | 19:11 |
MonkeyDust | (have no clue what it's about) | 19:11 |
lotuspsychje | MonkeyDust: there's a little button on your irc client, 'add to favorites' :p | 19:11 |
lotuspsychje | we all have our talents here and crazy ideas | 19:15 |
lotuspsychje | especially OerHeks is also crazy | 19:15 |
daftykins | EriC^^: :D | 19:16 |
MonkeyDust | i hate crazy people | 19:16 |
* lotuspsychje hides | 19:16 | |
EriC^^ | daftykins: i like this guy, he's quick! :D | 19:16 |
daftykins | MonkeyDust: if so, why do you join us in #ubuntu ? :D | 19:16 |
lotuspsychje | MonkeyDust: we need einsteins in this world! | 19:16 |
daftykins | EriC^^: lol he took many minutes to even say which OS he was in before :( | 19:16 |
daftykins | EriC^^: i guess i warmed him up for you :P | 19:16 |
lotuspsychje | hahaha | 19:17 |
EriC^^ | haha | 19:17 |
EriC^^ | :D | 19:17 |
lotuspsychje | warming up support | 19:17 |
lotuspsychje | thats new :p | 19:17 |
* lotuspsychje gonna warm up some trolls for OerHeks | 19:17 | |
lotuspsychje | ioria is a weird guy...oops shhhh | 19:20 |
lotuspsychje | he's here | 19:20 |
ioria | yes, i'm | 19:20 |
lotuspsychje | :p | 19:20 |
ioria | :þ | 19:21 |
MonkeyDust | i hate weird guys | 19:23 |
lotuspsychje | lol | 19:24 |
ioria | indeed... i hate myself | 19:24 |
lotuspsychje | ioria: ok give 50 euro for the psychological advise to me now :p | 19:25 |
ioria | lotuspsychje, come again , please ???? | 19:26 |
lotuspsychje | lol | 19:26 |
lotuspsychje | ioria: its a joke | 19:26 |
ioria | oh, Crazy World ? my kingdom for an horse ! | 19:26 |
lotuspsychje | https://news.drweb.com/show/?i=9709&lng=en | 19:27 |
daftykins | guruprased is another skylake upgrader then | 19:27 |
daftykins | no doubt tripping up on early EFIs :D | 19:28 |
EriC^^ | man chkdsk sucks, this guy installed linux yesterday, windows somehow got corrupted wouldn't mount | 19:38 |
lotuspsychje | windows 10 brrrr | 19:38 |
EriC^^ | ntfsfix said to use chkdsk, so he used chkdsk from a windows cd, today his partition mounted, except it only had System Volume Information in it | 19:38 |
EriC^^ | nothing in testdisk either | 19:39 |
lotuspsychje | weird | 19:39 |
EriC^^ | he didn't have any stuff on it though, said it was from work | 19:39 |
lotuspsychje | EriC^^: you sure he followed correct steps to install dualboot uefi? | 19:39 |
EriC^^ | he said he used the installer's other option to install to the empty space | 19:40 |
EriC^^ | i wanted to ask him how he shrunk the partition and if he booted into it after shrinking a couple times cause some people say it's recommended | 19:40 |
EriC^^ | didn't find out though if that's what got it corrupted, his smart data looked clean | 19:41 |
EriC^^ | i think it's a new 128gb ssd | 19:41 |
lotuspsychje | ssd should be fine, but weird that windows is gone | 19:41 |
lotuspsychje | if he's sure that he installed? | 19:42 |
EriC^^ | *shrug* | 19:42 |
lotuspsychje | EriC^^: is it a hybrid ssd? | 19:42 |
EriC^^ | dunno, it was win7 fwiw | 19:42 |
lotuspsychje | wb BluesKaj | 19:47 |
BluesKaj | thanks lotuspsychje | 19:47 |
daftykins | EriC^^: i think that user did more than you were told ;) | 19:52 |
Bashing-om | EriC^^: I have learned to watch out : Intel Smart Response Technology - dual boot . embedded data . | 19:52 |
OerHeks | maybe it had bitlocker | 19:52 |
OerHeks | :-D | 19:53 |
daftykins | i've had win7 installed beside a xubuntu install for ages, keep upgrading xubuntu... upgraded to win10 and installed several new builds since, not one hint of trouble | 19:53 |
lotuspsychje | Bashing-om: i had a medion box once with weird intel setting blocking new Os install once | 19:53 |
daftykins | ah the boot sector protection? :D | 19:53 |
JanC | boot sector protection doesn't really work outside DOS, right? :P | 19:54 |
lotuspsychje | daftykins: keep forgetting its setting name | 19:54 |
lotuspsychje | intel something something... | 19:54 |
daftykins | intel break lotus' stuff, i think | 19:55 |
daftykins | :D | 19:55 |
daftykins | JanC: sure does | 19:55 |
Bashing-om | Once upon a time in windows 7 with SSD and fast startup ... welp that was MS doing a raid thing . | 19:55 |
lotuspsychje | lol | 19:55 |
lotuspsychje | hehe daftykins | 19:55 |
JanC | early boot sector protection worked purely at the BIOS level and modern OSs don't use that after boot | 19:56 |
daftykins | my memory is hazy, it could've been as long ago as Windows XP that setup got booted by for trying to do it when that option was on | 19:59 |
Kaosu | I was wondering if anyone might take a look a Ubuntu security guide I decided to write. Feel free to PM me with feedback. You can find the guide at: https://codezero.me/Ubuntu-Security-Guide/ | 20:58 |
lotuspsychje | Kaosu: looks good, but i would add some more stuff | 20:59 |
Kaosu | Such as? | 20:59 |
lotuspsychje | Kaosu: like intrusion detectors | 20:59 |
lotuspsychje | Kaosu: fail2ban for ssh users | 21:00 |
MonkeyDust | Kaosu i scrolled quickly in your manual... there's this too... http://hardenubuntu.com/ | 21:00 |
lotuspsychje | !security | Kaosu and here | 21:00 |
ubot5 | Kaosu and here: Security Updates are dealt with here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Security - See also !root, !firewall and !server | 21:00 |
Kaosu | My plan was to split the guide up into two parts, but make them a complete guide when combined together. The first half would be focused on home users and the second half would be aimed at administrators/power users. | 21:00 |
Kaosu | So, the second half would cover all of those suggested topics. | 21:01 |
lotuspsychje | good idea | 21:01 |
MonkeyDust | Kaosu and add a short content list too, in the beginning of the document | 21:01 |
lordievader | Perhaps a section about rkhunter too? | 21:01 |
lotuspsychje | good idea lordievader | 21:02 |
Kaosu | I made a note to add information about rkhunter in the "malware" section. | 21:03 |
MonkeyDust | Kaosu another thing: try sudo apt update, see what's different <-- not apt-get | 21:03 |
lotuspsychje | !usn | Kaosu yeah read here also | 21:03 |
ubot5 | Kaosu yeah read here also: Please see http://www.ubuntu.com/usn for information about Ubuntu security updates. | 21:03 |
Kaosu | I might actually add a section to the guide like "Current Security Issues" and just grab the top entries from the USN | 21:05 |
MonkeyDust | Kaosu and avoid referring to yourself, as in 'I would prefer' | 21:05 |
Kaosu | Monkey: Thanks for pointing that out. I will go through and fix the areas where I did that. | 21:06 |
Kaosu | I'm not a very good writer, but I am getting better about not doing things like that. | 21:06 |
lotuspsychje | nite nite all | 21:08 |
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