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daftykinsaww yeah, few home truths getting told at last00:14
pauljw:)00:15
latrodectusdamn troll in #ubuntu00:20
daftykinsindeed, that user has been in under several nicknames masquerading as different folk and continues to ask stupid questions00:20
latrodectusdoes he use the same host every time?00:21
latrodectusbecause if he does just /slience him00:21
latrodectusdon't ban or kick00:21
daftykinsunfortunately, i don't log or take note to spot - but i did notice a theme to the mtr00:21
latrodectusi always log00:21
latrodectusplus #ubuntu is always logged anyways00:21
daftykinsyeah, only chat though not joins for hostmasks etc i thought?00:22
daftykinsi avoid logging for my sanity :)00:22
daftykins"live in the moment"00:22
latrodectuslol00:22
latrodectusi like having the ability to throw words back at the stupid ones00:23
OerHeks"always be helpfull" grinn00:23
pauljw:)00:24
daftykinsi think i might know this Vic from another channel as it goes, before the paranoid VPN usage, i think i saw an mtr go to an aorta.net address00:24
daftykinsbut i don't fully understand what aorta is00:25
pauljwbrb00:27
OerHekshmm 129,95 refurbished http://store.bq.com/es/ubuntu-edition-e-4-5-outlet00:27
daftykinsmmm super low spec00:30
daftykinsthe screen in particular00:30
pauljwgnite all02:19
lotuspsychjegood morning to all02:27
Bashing-omlotuspsychje: Most still here .. rest well ?02:33
lotuspsychjeyeah had a good sleep Bashing-om02:33
Bashing-omlotuspsychje: Great, then "they" can start wearing on your nerves . "they" have frazed mine out ( daftykins is holding up well ) .02:34
lotuspsychjelol02:35
lotuspsychjeBashing-om: the_count still here to solve things??02:35
daftykins=]02:35
daftykinsBashing-om: sleep well o/02:35
lotuspsychjeyou guys spent hours on him already02:35
lotuspsychjehey daftykins02:35
daftykinshiya02:35
daftykinssec just settling into bed :D02:36
lotuspsychjehttp://news.softpedia.com/news/open-source-amdgpu-linux-driver-released-supports-the-latest-amd-gpus-496545.shtml02:37
lotuspsychjecosy irc :p02:37
daftykinsyep :D02:39
Bashing-omlotuspsychje: I had heard yesterday that AMD had released the driver . Awaiting now to know how it works on the real world .02:41
lotuspsychjeyeah02:41
* daftykins clicks to see what this one will be called from xorg's point of view02:43
daftykinsis it 'amdgpu' ?02:44
lotuspsychjenot sure02:45
Bashing-omdaftykins: No idea .. I had for some reason expected " FGLRX-updates" .02:45
daftykinsi guess time will tell02:46
Bashing-omThe indications I understood, the fix was now in the repo .. lotuspsychje Ya booting 15.10 to see ?02:48
lotuspsychjeBashing-om: im on trusty and xenial upstairs :p02:48
Bashing-omlotuspsychje: daftykins Well ,, I guess we await another ginny pig to see .02:50
lotuspsychjelol02:50
* daftykins grins widely, in a slightly concerning way02:51
daftykinsamdgpu is going to have TearFree :O02:52
lotuspsychje!find xf8602:54
ubot5Found: libxcb-xf86dri0, libxcb-xf86dri0-dbg, libxcb-xf86dri0-dev, libxxf86dga-dev, libxxf86dga1, libxxf86dga1-dbg, libxxf86vm-dev, libxxf86vm1, libxxf86vm1-dbg, x11proto-xf86bigfont-dev (and 8 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xf86&searchon=names&suite=vivid&section=all02:54
Bashing-omTo this time I can not cross reference to see if the new driver is in the repo .02:55
Bashing-omshucks.02:55
lotuspsychje!find amdgpu02:55
ubot5Package/file amdgpu does not exist in vivid02:55
lotuspsychjeanother source: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMDGPU-Xorg-1.002:56
daftykinsi think it'd need to be the long name02:56
daftykinsmaybe like a "xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu"02:57
Bashing-omthers a thought ..lemee see .02:58
daftykinsbut thenthe article said xf86-video-amdgpu so i'm not sure if they are renamed by Canonical02:59
lotuspsychjedriver might be just named amdgpu perhaps02:59
lotuspsychjeas radeon02:59
daftykinsi think that's just the name as per you would configure in xorg.conf though02:59
daftykinsradeon is still xserver-xorg-video-radeon in package form, no?02:59
lotuspsychjeyeah02:59
lotuspsychjelotuspsychje@R00TB0X:~$ apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-radeon03:01
lotuspsychjexserver-xorg-video-radeon:03:01
lotuspsychje  Ge├»nstalleerd: 1:7.3.0-1ubuntu3.103:01
lotuspsychjewe findout soon on R9 users :p03:03
daftykinsok i'm going folks, g'night and i'll see you in the week :)03:05
daftykinsnext time on a whole new episode of... #ubuntu !03:06
lotuspsychjenite nite daftykins03:06
cdshanHi!  Could some one help me out with the upgrade from Ubuntu 14.10 to 15.04? I had tried the documentation available on the net but am not able to succeed. some inputs would be very much appreciated!03:27
lotuspsychjecdshan: this is ubuntu discuss channel mate03:28
cdshanlotuspsychje: what is the right channel to discuss about this?03:46
lotuspsychjecdshan: thats not a discussion, but an ubuntu support question03:48
lotuspsychjecdshan: so in #ubuntu03:48
cdshanok, thanks for  the info03:48
lordievaderGood morning.08:51
lotuspsychjegood afternoon TJ-12:53
TJ-hiya :)12:53
lotuspsychjehttp://news.softpedia.com/news/open-source-amdgpu-linux-driver-released-supports-the-latest-amd-gpus-496545.shtml12:54
TJ-About time - only 15 years late12:57
lotuspsychje:p12:57
TJ-Let's hope it has better quality than the fglxr12:59
lotuspsychjeyeah, now to wait for R9 users :p12:59
lotuspsychjecfhowlett: http://news.softpedia.com/news/puppy-linux-based-studio-13-37-aims-to-be-the-ultimate-pro-audio-distro-gallery-496553.shtml13:18
cfhowlett... cause ANOTHER linux audio distro is exactly what we need!  :)13:19
lotuspsychje:p13:19
lotuspsychje'the best!'13:20
lotuspsychjehi lordievader13:30
lordievadero/13:32
lotuspsychjehey EriC^^14:02
EriC^^hey lotuspsychje14:02
lotuspsychjehows the tv doing?14:02
EriC^^it's good :P14:02
lotuspsychjemovie overtime :p14:03
lotuspsychjedid you see blackhat yet EriC^^ ?14:03
EriC^^nope14:03
EriC^^any good?14:03
lotuspsychjeyeah very good14:03
EriC^^cool14:04
* lotuspsychje throws a redhat to OerHeks 14:04
EriC^^TJ-: how come we can upgrade releases to the current development one but not jump to previous ones?14:04
EriC^^TJ-: like bumbar upgraded from 14.04 to 15.10 using do-release-upgrade -d , users usually have to go to 14.10 then 15.04 then 15.1014:05
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: -d, --devel-release14:08
lotuspsychje              Check if upgrading to the latest devel release is possible14:08
lotuspsychjedont think downgrade is possible on ubuntu14:09
cfhowlettit's not an option14:09
EriC^^yeah, i know, how come users can't jump from 14.04 to let's say 15.10 ( if it's not development )14:09
lotuspsychjelts and non-lts are divided14:10
cfhowlettEriC^^, because ubuntu only upgrades sequentially.  sole exception: LTS14:10
EriC^^cfhowlett: yeah, but with -d it upgraded from lts to non-lts skipping 3-4 releases14:11
EriC^^i mean what's the idea behind it14:11
lotuspsychjewrong command on the latest LTS14:12
lotuspsychjeresulted badly14:12
lotuspsychjenext in the row is 16.04 and 16.1014:14
lotuspsychjebut as they dont exist yet...14:14
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: i also used do-release-upgrade -d from 15.10 to next release 16.0414:14
EriC^^yeah14:14
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: but i wanted the early stage testing14:15
EriC^^like in couples months 16.04 comes out, if somebody is using 14.10 right now, he can just jump to it if he wants14:17
EriC^^instead of going 14.10 > 15.04 > 15.10 > 16.0414:17
lotuspsychjei dont think so14:18
EriC^^was wondering why he can't just do that straight away when 16.04 comes out, unless using -d isn't recommended and it's dangerous or something14:18
EriC^^( i mean it might break the system more than the usual 14.10 > 15.04 > 15.10 > 16.04 )14:18
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: i think the normal way is do-release-upgrade14:19
lotuspsychjebut the -d might force it14:20
cfhowlettI'd feel much safer doing a clean install14:21
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: blueskaj might know more of this14:22
EriC^^lotuspsychje: xenial kernel is what?14:23
EriC^^i think bumbar is on xenial not 15.1014:23
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: 4.2 and soon receive 4.3 i think14:24
EriC^^4.2.0-19 is xenial?14:24
EriC^^!info linux-image-generic wily14:24
ubot5linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.2.0.18.20 (wily), package size 2 kB, installed size 10 kB14:24
lotuspsychje!info linux-image-generic xenial14:24
ubot5linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.2.0.19.21 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 10 kB14:25
lotuspsychjeyeppers14:25
EriC^^he says he can't update14:27
EriC^^Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/InRelease14:27
lotuspsychjehmm14:27
lotuspsychjesudo apt-get update?14:27
EriC^^yeah, the file is there though just checked in a web browser14:27
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: or maybe other ppa's installed for his previous ubuntu?14:27
EriC^^nope the xenial main stuff14:27
lotuspsychjeweird14:28
lotuspsychjei recently updated on my xenial box14:28
EriC^^i guess he has connection issues14:28
lotuspsychjeafternoon BluesKaj14:30
BluesKajHiyas all14:30
BluesKajhey lotuspsychje14:30
lotuspsychjeBluesKaj: eric just had a trusty user upgrade to 15.10 with do-release-upgrade -d14:31
lotuspsychjeBluesKaj: can you explain the logic of this?14:31
EriC^^not me, he upgraded before we even met :P14:31
cfhowlettyeah that sounds way suspect ...14:31
BluesKajnope, I can't, unless he upgraded to 16.04 from 15.10...he's mistaken I'm sure14:34
lotuspsychjeah14:34
lotuspsychjeBluesKaj: so its not possible to upgrade lts to non-lts?14:34
BluesKaj-d is devel OS14:34
EriC^^i think cause he had 14.04 he went to 16.0414:35
EriC^^at first he said he was on 15.10 from 14.04 using -d14:35
BluesKajof course it is , just disable the LTS only upgrade in the package manager14:35
lotuspsychjeBluesKaj: but i upgraded also 15.10 to 16.04 with -d14:35
BluesKajyes but -d mean developement OS , not official release OS14:36
cfhowlettthat would be normal.14:36
lotuspsychjeah14:36
lotuspsychjeok teatime here14:37
lotuspsychje:p14:37
BluesKajmethinks there's some confusion or maybe some BS involved with your trusty user14:38
BluesKajlotuspsychje,^14:38
BluesKajif he used -d then he mostlikely received 16.04, not 15.10, if he left the "LTS only upgrade" enabled, which is the default status afaik14:42
EriC^^BluesKaj: yeah it turned out he had 16.0414:43
BluesKajEriC^^, right14:43
EriC^^he said 15.10 at first, so i was wondering how could he jump from 14.04 to 15.10 without going through 14.10 and 15.04 by using -d , didn't make much sense14:43
BluesKajexactly14:44
EriC^^like if someone had 13.10 and 16.04 is about to get released in a week they can just use -d and jump straight to that14:44
EriC^^but usually cant and have to go a bunch of releases up first14:44
BluesKajdunno , never tried skipping releases with -d14:45
TJ-I recall doing some work with the release-upgrader-core some years ago. with 'do-release-upgrade --devel' it'll fetch http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development and take the latest "Supported: 1" entry15:01
MonkeyDustyes16:53
lotuspsychjegood evening to all18:33
lordievadero/18:35
daftykins\o18:35
lotuspsychjehey lordievader i tested unity8/mir on xenial :p18:35
lotuspsychjehi daftykins18:35
lordievaderBlegh Unity...18:35
lotuspsychjelol18:35
lordievaderlotuspsychje: How was it? Horrible?18:35
lotuspsychjehehe shiny bling like ubuntu touch :p18:36
lotuspsychjebut still shows as the phone version, alot of work needed until its desktop version18:36
lordievaderIs it usable yet?18:37
lotuspsychjelordievader: mouse support works to slide the scopes and browsing works18:37
lotuspsychjelordievader: but again, it doesnt look like a desktop yet, much more phone18:37
lordievaderBrr18:38
lotuspsychjelol18:38
lotuspsychjewho knows what they will do with plasma in the future :p18:39
daftykinswow at 3x to ask 'which OS are you in?'18:58
lotuspsychjeprrrt18:59
lotuspsychje<guruprasad> I installed Ubuntu GNOME 15.10 on my desktop with Asus Z170-K motherboard and legacy mode enabled. The drive is formatted with GPT and already has Windows on it.18:59
lotuspsychjethats his first question18:59
lotuspsychjehow are we suppose to know18:59
lordievaderHow is that a question?19:00
lordievaderIt mises the question mark and the... uhh... question.19:00
lotuspsychjeBashing-om: hello mate19:04
Bashing-omlotuspsychje: O/ .. 'Nother lovely day in the neighborhood .19:04
lotuspsychje: )19:04
lotuspsychjei like uefi only when ubuntu boots it single :p19:08
lotuspsychjelucky for our users we have EriC^^ :p19:09
OerHeksi like uefa only when .... wait19:09
lotuspsychjehahaha19:09
OerHeksthere are vendors that build their own uefi19:09
lotuspsychjeubuntu and football even dont match OerHeks19:09
EriC^^i wish tj was here19:09
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: got a question?19:09
EriC^^i remember he had a bright idea about converting without booting into uefi mode19:10
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: converting what19:10
MonkeyDustdon't believe him19:10
EriC^^ah i remember19:10
lotuspsychjelol MonkeyDust19:10
lotuspsychjenever saw you was here MonkeyDust19:11
EriC^^loading the efivars module or something so grub can access it from a legacy booted session19:11
MonkeyDust(have no clue what it's about)19:11
lotuspsychjeMonkeyDust: there's a little button on your irc client, 'add to favorites' :p19:11
lotuspsychjewe all have our talents here and crazy ideas19:15
lotuspsychjeespecially OerHeks is also crazy19:15
daftykinsEriC^^: :D19:16
MonkeyDusti hate crazy people19:16
* lotuspsychje hides19:16
EriC^^daftykins: i like this guy, he's quick! :D19:16
daftykinsMonkeyDust: if so, why do you join us in #ubuntu ? :D19:16
lotuspsychjeMonkeyDust: we need einsteins in this world!19:16
daftykinsEriC^^: lol he took many minutes to even say which OS he was in before :(19:16
daftykinsEriC^^: i guess i warmed him up for you :P19:16
lotuspsychjehahaha19:17
EriC^^haha19:17
EriC^^:D19:17
lotuspsychjewarming up support19:17
lotuspsychjethats new :p19:17
* lotuspsychje gonna warm up some trolls for OerHeks 19:17
lotuspsychjeioria is a weird guy...oops shhhh19:20
lotuspsychjehe's here19:20
ioriayes, i'm19:20
lotuspsychje:p19:20
ioria:├ż19:21
MonkeyDusti hate weird guys19:23
lotuspsychjelol19:24
ioriaindeed... i hate myself19:24
lotuspsychjeioria: ok give 50 euro for the psychological advise to me now :p19:25
iorialotuspsychje,   come again , please  ????19:26
lotuspsychjelol19:26
lotuspsychjeioria: its a joke19:26
ioriaoh, Crazy World ? my kingdom for an horse !19:26
lotuspsychjehttps://news.drweb.com/show/?i=9709&lng=en19:27
daftykinsguruprased is another skylake upgrader then19:27
daftykinsno doubt tripping up on early EFIs :D19:28
EriC^^man chkdsk sucks, this guy installed linux yesterday, windows somehow got corrupted wouldn't mount19:38
lotuspsychjewindows 10 brrrr19:38
EriC^^ntfsfix said to use chkdsk, so he used chkdsk from a windows cd, today his partition mounted, except it only had System Volume Information in it19:38
EriC^^nothing in testdisk either19:39
lotuspsychjeweird19:39
EriC^^he didn't have any stuff on it though, said it was from work19:39
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: you sure he followed correct steps to install dualboot uefi?19:39
EriC^^he said he used the installer's other option to install to the empty space19:40
EriC^^i wanted to ask him how he shrunk the partition and if he booted into it after shrinking a couple times cause some people say it's recommended19:40
EriC^^didn't find out though if that's what got it corrupted, his smart data looked clean19:41
EriC^^i think it's a new 128gb ssd19:41
lotuspsychjessd should be fine, but weird that windows is gone19:41
lotuspsychjeif he's sure that he installed?19:42
EriC^^*shrug*19:42
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: is it a hybrid ssd?19:42
EriC^^dunno, it was win7 fwiw19:42
lotuspsychjewb BluesKaj19:47
BluesKajthanks lotuspsychje19:47
daftykinsEriC^^: i think that user did more than you were told ;)19:52
Bashing-omEriC^^: I have learned to watch out : Intel Smart Response Technology - dual boot . embedded data .19:52
OerHeksmaybe it had bitlocker19:52
OerHeks:-D19:53
daftykinsi've had win7 installed beside a xubuntu install for ages, keep upgrading xubuntu... upgraded to win10 and installed several new builds since, not one hint of trouble19:53
lotuspsychjeBashing-om: i had a medion box once with weird intel setting blocking new Os install once19:53
daftykinsah the boot sector protection? :D19:53
JanCboot sector protection doesn't really work outside DOS, right?  :P19:54
lotuspsychjedaftykins: keep forgetting its setting name19:54
lotuspsychjeintel something something...19:54
daftykinsintel break lotus' stuff, i think19:55
daftykins:D19:55
daftykinsJanC: sure does19:55
Bashing-omOnce upon a time in windows 7 with SSD and fast startup ... welp that was MS doing a raid thing .19:55
lotuspsychjelol19:55
lotuspsychjehehe daftykins19:55
JanCearly boot sector protection worked purely at the BIOS level and modern OSs don't use that after boot19:56
daftykinsmy memory is hazy, it could've been as long ago as Windows XP that setup got booted by for trying to do it when that option was on19:59
KaosuI was wondering if anyone might take a look a Ubuntu security guide I decided to write. Feel free to PM me with feedback. You can find the guide at: https://codezero.me/Ubuntu-Security-Guide/20:58
lotuspsychjeKaosu: looks good, but i would add some more stuff20:59
KaosuSuch as?20:59
lotuspsychjeKaosu: like intrusion detectors20:59
lotuspsychjeKaosu: fail2ban for ssh users21:00
MonkeyDustKaosu  i scrolled quickly in your manual... there's this too... http://hardenubuntu.com/21:00
lotuspsychje!security | Kaosu and here21:00
ubot5Kaosu and here: Security Updates are dealt with here:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Security - See also !root, !firewall and !server21:00
KaosuMy plan was to split the guide up into two parts, but make them a complete guide when combined together. The first half would be focused on home users and the second half would be aimed at administrators/power users.21:00
KaosuSo, the second half would cover all of those suggested topics.21:01
lotuspsychjegood idea21:01
MonkeyDustKaosu  and add a short content list too, in the beginning of the document21:01
lordievaderPerhaps a section about rkhunter too?21:01
lotuspsychjegood idea lordievader21:02
KaosuI made a note to add information about rkhunter in the "malware" section.21:03
MonkeyDustKaosu  another thing: try sudo apt update, see what's different   <-- not apt-get21:03
lotuspsychje!usn | Kaosu yeah read here also21:03
ubot5Kaosu yeah read here also: Please see http://www.ubuntu.com/usn for information about Ubuntu security updates.21:03
KaosuI might actually add a section to the guide like "Current Security Issues" and just grab the top entries from the USN21:05
MonkeyDustKaosu  and avoid referring to yourself, as in 'I would prefer'21:05
KaosuMonkey: Thanks for pointing that out. I will go through and fix the areas where I did that.21:06
KaosuI'm not a very good writer, but I am getting better about not doing things like that.21:06
lotuspsychjenite nite all21:08
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