[00:14] aww yeah, few home truths getting told at last [00:15] :) [00:20] damn troll in #ubuntu [00:20] indeed, that user has been in under several nicknames masquerading as different folk and continues to ask stupid questions [00:21] does he use the same host every time? [00:21] because if he does just /slience him [00:21] don't ban or kick [00:21] unfortunately, i don't log or take note to spot - but i did notice a theme to the mtr [00:21] i always log [00:21] plus #ubuntu is always logged anyways [00:22] yeah, only chat though not joins for hostmasks etc i thought? [00:22] i avoid logging for my sanity :) [00:22] "live in the moment" [00:22] lol [00:23] i like having the ability to throw words back at the stupid ones [00:23] "always be helpfull" grinn [00:24] :) [00:24] i think i might know this Vic from another channel as it goes, before the paranoid VPN usage, i think i saw an mtr go to an aorta.net address [00:25] but i don't fully understand what aorta is [00:27] brb [00:27] hmm 129,95 refurbished http://store.bq.com/es/ubuntu-edition-e-4-5-outlet [00:30] mmm super low spec [00:30] the screen in particular [02:19] gnite all [02:27] good morning to all [02:33] lotuspsychje: Most still here .. rest well ? [02:33] yeah had a good sleep Bashing-om [02:34] lotuspsychje: Great, then "they" can start wearing on your nerves . "they" have frazed mine out ( daftykins is holding up well ) . [02:35] lol [02:35] Bashing-om: the_count still here to solve things?? [02:35] =] [02:35] Bashing-om: sleep well o/ [02:35] you guys spent hours on him already [02:35] hey daftykins [02:35] hiya [02:36] sec just settling into bed :D [02:37] http://news.softpedia.com/news/open-source-amdgpu-linux-driver-released-supports-the-latest-amd-gpus-496545.shtml [02:37] cosy irc :p [02:39] yep :D [02:41] lotuspsychje: I had heard yesterday that AMD had released the driver . Awaiting now to know how it works on the real world . [02:41] yeah [02:43] * daftykins clicks to see what this one will be called from xorg's point of view [02:44] is it 'amdgpu' ? [02:45] not sure [02:45] daftykins: No idea .. I had for some reason expected " FGLRX-updates" . [02:46] i guess time will tell [02:48] The indications I understood, the fix was now in the repo .. lotuspsychje Ya booting 15.10 to see ? [02:48] Bashing-om: im on trusty and xenial upstairs :p [02:50] lotuspsychje: daftykins Well ,, I guess we await another ginny pig to see . [02:50] lol [02:51] * daftykins grins widely, in a slightly concerning way [02:52] amdgpu is going to have TearFree :O [02:54] !find xf86 [02:54] Found: libxcb-xf86dri0, libxcb-xf86dri0-dbg, libxcb-xf86dri0-dev, libxxf86dga-dev, libxxf86dga1, libxxf86dga1-dbg, libxxf86vm-dev, libxxf86vm1, libxxf86vm1-dbg, x11proto-xf86bigfont-dev (and 8 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xf86&searchon=names&suite=vivid§ion=all [02:55] To this time I can not cross reference to see if the new driver is in the repo . [02:55] shucks. [02:55] !find amdgpu [02:55] Package/file amdgpu does not exist in vivid [02:56] another source: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMDGPU-Xorg-1.0 [02:56] i think it'd need to be the long name [02:57] maybe like a "xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu" [02:58] thers a thought ..lemee see . [02:59] but thenthe article said xf86-video-amdgpu so i'm not sure if they are renamed by Canonical [02:59] driver might be just named amdgpu perhaps [02:59] as radeon [02:59] i think that's just the name as per you would configure in xorg.conf though [02:59] radeon is still xserver-xorg-video-radeon in package form, no? [02:59] yeah [03:01] lotuspsychje@R00TB0X:~$ apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-radeon [03:01] xserver-xorg-video-radeon: [03:01] Geïnstalleerd: 1:7.3.0-1ubuntu3.1 [03:03] we findout soon on R9 users :p [03:05] ok i'm going folks, g'night and i'll see you in the week :) [03:06] next time on a whole new episode of... #ubuntu ! [03:06] nite nite daftykins [03:27] Hi! Could some one help me out with the upgrade from Ubuntu 14.10 to 15.04? I had tried the documentation available on the net but am not able to succeed. some inputs would be very much appreciated! [03:28] cdshan: this is ubuntu discuss channel mate [03:46] lotuspsychje: what is the right channel to discuss about this? [03:48] cdshan: thats not a discussion, but an ubuntu support question [03:48] cdshan: so in #ubuntu [03:48] ok, thanks for the info [08:51] Good morning. [12:53] good afternoon TJ- [12:53] hiya :) [12:54] http://news.softpedia.com/news/open-source-amdgpu-linux-driver-released-supports-the-latest-amd-gpus-496545.shtml [12:57] About time - only 15 years late [12:57] :p [12:59] Let's hope it has better quality than the fglxr [12:59] yeah, now to wait for R9 users :p [13:18] cfhowlett: http://news.softpedia.com/news/puppy-linux-based-studio-13-37-aims-to-be-the-ultimate-pro-audio-distro-gallery-496553.shtml [13:19] ... cause ANOTHER linux audio distro is exactly what we need! :) [13:19] :p [13:20] 'the best!' [13:30] hi lordievader [13:32] o/ [14:02] hey EriC^^ [14:02] hey lotuspsychje [14:02] hows the tv doing? [14:02] it's good :P [14:03] movie overtime :p [14:03] did you see blackhat yet EriC^^ ? [14:03] nope [14:03] any good? [14:03] yeah very good [14:04] cool [14:04] * lotuspsychje throws a redhat to OerHeks [14:04] TJ-: how come we can upgrade releases to the current development one but not jump to previous ones? [14:05] TJ-: like bumbar upgraded from 14.04 to 15.10 using do-release-upgrade -d , users usually have to go to 14.10 then 15.04 then 15.10 [14:08] EriC^^: -d, --devel-release [14:08] Check if upgrading to the latest devel release is possible [14:09] dont think downgrade is possible on ubuntu [14:09] it's not an option [14:09] yeah, i know, how come users can't jump from 14.04 to let's say 15.10 ( if it's not development ) [14:10] lts and non-lts are divided [14:10] EriC^^, because ubuntu only upgrades sequentially. sole exception: LTS [14:11] cfhowlett: yeah, but with -d it upgraded from lts to non-lts skipping 3-4 releases [14:11] i mean what's the idea behind it [14:12] wrong command on the latest LTS [14:12] resulted badly [14:14] next in the row is 16.04 and 16.10 [14:14] but as they dont exist yet... [14:14] EriC^^: i also used do-release-upgrade -d from 15.10 to next release 16.04 [14:14] yeah [14:15] EriC^^: but i wanted the early stage testing [14:17] like in couples months 16.04 comes out, if somebody is using 14.10 right now, he can just jump to it if he wants [14:17] instead of going 14.10 > 15.04 > 15.10 > 16.04 [14:18] i dont think so [14:18] was wondering why he can't just do that straight away when 16.04 comes out, unless using -d isn't recommended and it's dangerous or something [14:18] ( i mean it might break the system more than the usual 14.10 > 15.04 > 15.10 > 16.04 ) [14:19] EriC^^: i think the normal way is do-release-upgrade [14:20] but the -d might force it [14:21] I'd feel much safer doing a clean install [14:22] EriC^^: blueskaj might know more of this [14:23] lotuspsychje: xenial kernel is what? [14:23] i think bumbar is on xenial not 15.10 [14:24] EriC^^: 4.2 and soon receive 4.3 i think [14:24] 4.2.0-19 is xenial? [14:24] !info linux-image-generic wily [14:24] linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.2.0.18.20 (wily), package size 2 kB, installed size 10 kB [14:24] !info linux-image-generic xenial [14:25] linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.2.0.19.21 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 10 kB [14:25] yeppers [14:27] he says he can't update [14:27] Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/InRelease [14:27] hmm [14:27] sudo apt-get update? [14:27] yeah, the file is there though just checked in a web browser [14:27] EriC^^: or maybe other ppa's installed for his previous ubuntu? [14:27] nope the xenial main stuff [14:28] weird [14:28] i recently updated on my xenial box [14:28] i guess he has connection issues [14:30] afternoon BluesKaj [14:30] Hiyas all [14:30] hey lotuspsychje [14:31] BluesKaj: eric just had a trusty user upgrade to 15.10 with do-release-upgrade -d [14:31] BluesKaj: can you explain the logic of this? [14:31] not me, he upgraded before we even met :P [14:31] yeah that sounds way suspect ... [14:34] nope, I can't, unless he upgraded to 16.04 from 15.10...he's mistaken I'm sure [14:34] ah [14:34] BluesKaj: so its not possible to upgrade lts to non-lts? [14:34] -d is devel OS [14:35] i think cause he had 14.04 he went to 16.04 [14:35] at first he said he was on 15.10 from 14.04 using -d [14:35] of course it is , just disable the LTS only upgrade in the package manager [14:35] BluesKaj: but i upgraded also 15.10 to 16.04 with -d [14:36] yes but -d mean developement OS , not official release OS [14:36] that would be normal. [14:36] ah [14:37] ok teatime here [14:37] :p [14:38] methinks there's some confusion or maybe some BS involved with your trusty user [14:38] lotuspsychje,^ [14:42] if he used -d then he mostlikely received 16.04, not 15.10, if he left the "LTS only upgrade" enabled, which is the default status afaik [14:43] BluesKaj: yeah it turned out he had 16.04 [14:43] EriC^^, right [14:43] he said 15.10 at first, so i was wondering how could he jump from 14.04 to 15.10 without going through 14.10 and 15.04 by using -d , didn't make much sense [14:44] exactly [14:44] like if someone had 13.10 and 16.04 is about to get released in a week they can just use -d and jump straight to that [14:44] but usually cant and have to go a bunch of releases up first [14:45] dunno , never tried skipping releases with -d [15:01] I recall doing some work with the release-upgrader-core some years ago. with 'do-release-upgrade --devel' it'll fetch http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development and take the latest "Supported: 1" entry [16:53] yes [18:33] good evening to all [18:35] o/ [18:35] \o [18:35] hey lordievader i tested unity8/mir on xenial :p [18:35] hi daftykins [18:35] Blegh Unity... [18:35] lol [18:35] lotuspsychje: How was it? Horrible? [18:36] hehe shiny bling like ubuntu touch :p [18:36] but still shows as the phone version, alot of work needed until its desktop version [18:37] Is it usable yet? [18:37] lordievader: mouse support works to slide the scopes and browsing works [18:37] lordievader: but again, it doesnt look like a desktop yet, much more phone [18:38] Brr [18:38] lol [18:39] who knows what they will do with plasma in the future :p [18:58] wow at 3x to ask 'which OS are you in?' [18:59] prrrt [18:59] I installed Ubuntu GNOME 15.10 on my desktop with Asus Z170-K motherboard and legacy mode enabled. The drive is formatted with GPT and already has Windows on it. [18:59] thats his first question [18:59] how are we suppose to know [19:00] How is that a question? [19:00] It mises the question mark and the... uhh... question. [19:04] Bashing-om: hello mate [19:04] lotuspsychje: O/ .. 'Nother lovely day in the neighborhood . [19:04] : ) [19:08] i like uefi only when ubuntu boots it single :p [19:09] lucky for our users we have EriC^^ :p [19:09] i like uefa only when .... wait [19:09] hahaha [19:09] there are vendors that build their own uefi [19:09] ubuntu and football even dont match OerHeks [19:09] i wish tj was here [19:09] EriC^^: got a question? [19:10] i remember he had a bright idea about converting without booting into uefi mode [19:10] EriC^^: converting what [19:10] don't believe him [19:10] ah i remember [19:10] lol MonkeyDust [19:11] never saw you was here MonkeyDust [19:11] loading the efivars module or something so grub can access it from a legacy booted session [19:11] (have no clue what it's about) [19:11] MonkeyDust: there's a little button on your irc client, 'add to favorites' :p [19:15] we all have our talents here and crazy ideas [19:15] especially OerHeks is also crazy [19:16] EriC^^: :D [19:16] i hate crazy people [19:16] * lotuspsychje hides [19:16] daftykins: i like this guy, he's quick! :D [19:16] MonkeyDust: if so, why do you join us in #ubuntu ? :D [19:16] MonkeyDust: we need einsteins in this world! [19:16] EriC^^: lol he took many minutes to even say which OS he was in before :( [19:16] EriC^^: i guess i warmed him up for you :P [19:17] hahaha [19:17] haha [19:17] :D [19:17] warming up support [19:17] thats new :p [19:17] * lotuspsychje gonna warm up some trolls for OerHeks [19:20] ioria is a weird guy...oops shhhh [19:20] he's here [19:20] yes, i'm [19:20] :p [19:21] :þ [19:23] i hate weird guys [19:24] lol [19:24] indeed... i hate myself [19:25] ioria: ok give 50 euro for the psychological advise to me now :p [19:26] lotuspsychje, come again , please ???? [19:26] lol [19:26] ioria: its a joke [19:26] oh, Crazy World ? my kingdom for an horse ! [19:27] https://news.drweb.com/show/?i=9709&lng=en [19:27] guruprased is another skylake upgrader then [19:28] no doubt tripping up on early EFIs :D [19:38] man chkdsk sucks, this guy installed linux yesterday, windows somehow got corrupted wouldn't mount [19:38] windows 10 brrrr [19:38] ntfsfix said to use chkdsk, so he used chkdsk from a windows cd, today his partition mounted, except it only had System Volume Information in it [19:39] nothing in testdisk either [19:39] weird [19:39] he didn't have any stuff on it though, said it was from work [19:39] EriC^^: you sure he followed correct steps to install dualboot uefi? [19:40] he said he used the installer's other option to install to the empty space [19:40] i wanted to ask him how he shrunk the partition and if he booted into it after shrinking a couple times cause some people say it's recommended [19:41] didn't find out though if that's what got it corrupted, his smart data looked clean [19:41] i think it's a new 128gb ssd [19:41] ssd should be fine, but weird that windows is gone [19:42] if he's sure that he installed? [19:42] *shrug* [19:42] EriC^^: is it a hybrid ssd? [19:42] dunno, it was win7 fwiw [19:47] wb BluesKaj [19:47] thanks lotuspsychje [19:52] EriC^^: i think that user did more than you were told ;) [19:52] EriC^^: I have learned to watch out : Intel Smart Response Technology - dual boot . embedded data . [19:52] maybe it had bitlocker [19:53] :-D [19:53] i've had win7 installed beside a xubuntu install for ages, keep upgrading xubuntu... upgraded to win10 and installed several new builds since, not one hint of trouble [19:53] Bashing-om: i had a medion box once with weird intel setting blocking new Os install once [19:53] ah the boot sector protection? :D [19:54] boot sector protection doesn't really work outside DOS, right? :P [19:54] daftykins: keep forgetting its setting name [19:54] intel something something... [19:55] intel break lotus' stuff, i think [19:55] :D [19:55] JanC: sure does [19:55] Once upon a time in windows 7 with SSD and fast startup ... welp that was MS doing a raid thing . [19:55] lol [19:55] hehe daftykins [19:56] early boot sector protection worked purely at the BIOS level and modern OSs don't use that after boot [19:59] my memory is hazy, it could've been as long ago as Windows XP that setup got booted by for trying to do it when that option was on [20:58] I was wondering if anyone might take a look a Ubuntu security guide I decided to write. Feel free to PM me with feedback. You can find the guide at: https://codezero.me/Ubuntu-Security-Guide/ [20:59] Kaosu: looks good, but i would add some more stuff [20:59] Such as? [20:59] Kaosu: like intrusion detectors [21:00] Kaosu: fail2ban for ssh users [21:00] Kaosu i scrolled quickly in your manual... there's this too... http://hardenubuntu.com/ [21:00] !security | Kaosu and here [21:00] Kaosu and here: Security Updates are dealt with here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Security - See also !root, !firewall and !server [21:00] My plan was to split the guide up into two parts, but make them a complete guide when combined together. The first half would be focused on home users and the second half would be aimed at administrators/power users. [21:01] So, the second half would cover all of those suggested topics. [21:01] good idea [21:01] Kaosu and add a short content list too, in the beginning of the document [21:01] Perhaps a section about rkhunter too? [21:02] good idea lordievader [21:03] I made a note to add information about rkhunter in the "malware" section. [21:03] Kaosu another thing: try sudo apt update, see what's different <-- not apt-get [21:03] !usn | Kaosu yeah read here also [21:03] Kaosu yeah read here also: Please see http://www.ubuntu.com/usn for information about Ubuntu security updates. [21:05] I might actually add a section to the guide like "Current Security Issues" and just grab the top entries from the USN [21:05] Kaosu and avoid referring to yourself, as in 'I would prefer' [21:06] Monkey: Thanks for pointing that out. I will go through and fix the areas where I did that. [21:06] I'm not a very good writer, but I am getting better about not doing things like that. [21:08] nite nite all === not_phunyguy is now known as phunyguy