[00:14] <daftykins> aww yeah, few home truths getting told at last
[00:15] <pauljw> :)
[00:20] <latrodectus> damn troll in #ubuntu
[00:20] <daftykins> indeed, that user has been in under several nicknames masquerading as different folk and continues to ask stupid questions
[00:21] <latrodectus> does he use the same host every time?
[00:21] <latrodectus> because if he does just /slience him
[00:21] <latrodectus> don't ban or kick
[00:21] <daftykins> unfortunately, i don't log or take note to spot - but i did notice a theme to the mtr
[00:21] <latrodectus> i always log
[00:21] <latrodectus> plus #ubuntu is always logged anyways
[00:22] <daftykins> yeah, only chat though not joins for hostmasks etc i thought?
[00:22] <daftykins> i avoid logging for my sanity :)
[00:22] <daftykins> "live in the moment"
[00:22] <latrodectus> lol
[00:23] <latrodectus> i like having the ability to throw words back at the stupid ones
[00:23] <OerHeks> "always be helpfull" grinn
[00:24] <pauljw> :)
[00:24] <daftykins> i think i might know this Vic from another channel as it goes, before the paranoid VPN usage, i think i saw an mtr go to an aorta.net address
[00:25] <daftykins> but i don't fully understand what aorta is
[00:27] <pauljw> brb
[00:27] <OerHeks> hmm 129,95 refurbished http://store.bq.com/es/ubuntu-edition-e-4-5-outlet
[00:30] <daftykins> mmm super low spec
[00:30] <daftykins> the screen in particular
[02:19] <pauljw> gnite all
[02:27] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[02:33] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Most still here .. rest well ?
[02:33] <lotuspsychje> yeah had a good sleep Bashing-om
[02:34] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Great, then "they" can start wearing on your nerves . "they" have frazed mine out ( daftykins is holding up well ) .
[02:35] <lotuspsychje> lol
[02:35] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: the_count still here to solve things??
[02:35] <daftykins> =]
[02:35] <daftykins> Bashing-om: sleep well o/
[02:35] <lotuspsychje> you guys spent hours on him already
[02:35] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins
[02:35] <daftykins> hiya
[02:36] <daftykins> sec just settling into bed :D
[02:37] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/open-source-amdgpu-linux-driver-released-supports-the-latest-amd-gpus-496545.shtml
[02:37] <lotuspsychje> cosy irc :p
[02:39] <daftykins> yep :D
[02:41] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: I had heard yesterday that AMD had released the driver . Awaiting now to know how it works on the real world .
[02:41] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[02:43]  * daftykins clicks to see what this one will be called from xorg's point of view
[02:44] <daftykins> is it 'amdgpu' ?
[02:45] <lotuspsychje> not sure
[02:45] <Bashing-om> daftykins: No idea .. I had for some reason expected " FGLRX-updates" .
[02:46] <daftykins> i guess time will tell
[02:48] <Bashing-om> The indications I understood, the fix was now in the repo .. lotuspsychje Ya booting 15.10 to see ?
[02:48] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: im on trusty and xenial upstairs :p
[02:50] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: daftykins Well ,, I guess we await another ginny pig to see .
[02:50] <lotuspsychje> lol
[02:51]  * daftykins grins widely, in a slightly concerning way
[02:52] <daftykins> amdgpu is going to have TearFree :O
[02:54] <lotuspsychje> !find xf86
[02:55] <Bashing-om> To this time I can not cross reference to see if the new driver is in the repo .
[02:55] <Bashing-om> shucks.
[02:55] <lotuspsychje> !find amdgpu
[02:56] <lotuspsychje> another source: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMDGPU-Xorg-1.0
[02:56] <daftykins> i think it'd need to be the long name
[02:57] <daftykins> maybe like a "xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu"
[02:58] <Bashing-om> thers a thought ..lemee see .
[02:59] <daftykins> but thenthe article said xf86-video-amdgpu so i'm not sure if they are renamed by Canonical
[02:59] <lotuspsychje> driver might be just named amdgpu perhaps
[02:59] <lotuspsychje> as radeon
[02:59] <daftykins> i think that's just the name as per you would configure in xorg.conf though
[02:59] <daftykins> radeon is still xserver-xorg-video-radeon in package form, no?
[02:59] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@R00TB0X:~$ apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> xserver-xorg-video-radeon:
[03:01] <lotuspsychje>   Geïnstalleerd: 1:7.3.0-1ubuntu3.1
[03:03] <lotuspsychje> we findout soon on R9 users :p
[03:05] <daftykins> ok i'm going folks, g'night and i'll see you in the week :)
[03:06] <daftykins> next time on a whole new episode of... #ubuntu !
[03:06] <lotuspsychje> nite nite daftykins
[03:27] <cdshan> Hi!  Could some one help me out with the upgrade from Ubuntu 14.10 to 15.04? I had tried the documentation available on the net but am not able to succeed. some inputs would be very much appreciated!
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> cdshan: this is ubuntu discuss channel mate
[03:46] <cdshan> lotuspsychje: what is the right channel to discuss about this?
[03:48] <lotuspsychje> cdshan: thats not a discussion, but an ubuntu support question
[03:48] <lotuspsychje> cdshan: so in #ubuntu
[03:48] <cdshan> ok, thanks for  the info
[08:51] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:53] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon TJ-
[12:53] <TJ-> hiya :)
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/open-source-amdgpu-linux-driver-released-supports-the-latest-amd-gpus-496545.shtml
[12:57] <TJ-> About time - only 15 years late
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> :p
[12:59] <TJ-> Let's hope it has better quality than the fglxr
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> yeah, now to wait for R9 users :p
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: http://news.softpedia.com/news/puppy-linux-based-studio-13-37-aims-to-be-the-ultimate-pro-audio-distro-gallery-496553.shtml
[13:19] <cfhowlett> ... cause ANOTHER linux audio distro is exactly what we need!  :)
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> :p
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> 'the best!'
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> hi lordievader
[13:32] <lordievader> o/
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[14:02] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> hows the tv doing?
[14:02] <EriC^^> it's good :P
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> movie overtime :p
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> did you see blackhat yet EriC^^ ?
[14:03] <EriC^^> nope
[14:03] <EriC^^> any good?
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> yeah very good
[14:04] <EriC^^> cool
[14:04]  * lotuspsychje throws a redhat to OerHeks 
[14:04] <EriC^^> TJ-: how come we can upgrade releases to the current development one but not jump to previous ones?
[14:05] <EriC^^> TJ-: like bumbar upgraded from 14.04 to 15.10 using do-release-upgrade -d , users usually have to go to 14.10 then 15.04 then 15.10
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: -d, --devel-release
[14:08] <lotuspsychje>               Check if upgrading to the latest devel release is possible
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> dont think downgrade is possible on ubuntu
[14:09] <cfhowlett> it's not an option
[14:09] <EriC^^> yeah, i know, how come users can't jump from 14.04 to let's say 15.10 ( if it's not development )
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> lts and non-lts are divided
[14:10] <cfhowlett> EriC^^, because ubuntu only upgrades sequentially.  sole exception: LTS
[14:11] <EriC^^> cfhowlett: yeah, but with -d it upgraded from lts to non-lts skipping 3-4 releases
[14:11] <EriC^^> i mean what's the idea behind it
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> wrong command on the latest LTS
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> resulted badly
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> next in the row is 16.04 and 16.10
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> but as they dont exist yet...
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: i also used do-release-upgrade -d from 15.10 to next release 16.04
[14:14] <EriC^^> yeah
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: but i wanted the early stage testing
[14:17] <EriC^^> like in couples months 16.04 comes out, if somebody is using 14.10 right now, he can just jump to it if he wants
[14:17] <EriC^^> instead of going 14.10 > 15.04 > 15.10 > 16.04
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> i dont think so
[14:18] <EriC^^> was wondering why he can't just do that straight away when 16.04 comes out, unless using -d isn't recommended and it's dangerous or something
[14:18] <EriC^^> ( i mean it might break the system more than the usual 14.10 > 15.04 > 15.10 > 16.04 )
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: i think the normal way is do-release-upgrade
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> but the -d might force it
[14:21] <cfhowlett> I'd feel much safer doing a clean install
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: blueskaj might know more of this
[14:23] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: xenial kernel is what?
[14:23] <EriC^^> i think bumbar is on xenial not 15.10
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: 4.2 and soon receive 4.3 i think
[14:24] <EriC^^> 4.2.0-19 is xenial?
[14:24] <EriC^^> !info linux-image-generic wily
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> yeppers
[14:27] <EriC^^> he says he can't update
[14:27] <EriC^^> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/InRelease
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> sudo apt-get update?
[14:27] <EriC^^> yeah, the file is there though just checked in a web browser
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: or maybe other ppa's installed for his previous ubuntu?
[14:27] <EriC^^> nope the xenial main stuff
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> weird
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> i recently updated on my xenial box
[14:28] <EriC^^> i guess he has connection issues
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> afternoon BluesKaj
[14:30] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:30] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: eric just had a trusty user upgrade to 15.10 with do-release-upgrade -d
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: can you explain the logic of this?
[14:31] <EriC^^> not me, he upgraded before we even met :P
[14:31] <cfhowlett> yeah that sounds way suspect ...
[14:34] <BluesKaj> nope, I can't, unless he upgraded to 16.04 from 15.10...he's mistaken I'm sure
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> ah
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: so its not possible to upgrade lts to non-lts?
[14:34] <BluesKaj> -d is devel OS
[14:35] <EriC^^> i think cause he had 14.04 he went to 16.04
[14:35] <EriC^^> at first he said he was on 15.10 from 14.04 using -d
[14:35] <BluesKaj> of course it is , just disable the LTS only upgrade in the package manager
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: but i upgraded also 15.10 to 16.04 with -d
[14:36] <BluesKaj> yes but -d mean developement OS , not official release OS
[14:36] <cfhowlett> that would be normal.
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> ah
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> ok teatime here
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> :p
[14:38] <BluesKaj> methinks there's some confusion or maybe some BS involved with your trusty user
[14:38] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje,^
[14:42] <BluesKaj> if he used -d then he mostlikely received 16.04, not 15.10, if he left the "LTS only upgrade" enabled, which is the default status afaik
[14:43] <EriC^^> BluesKaj: yeah it turned out he had 16.04
[14:43] <BluesKaj> EriC^^, right
[14:43] <EriC^^> he said 15.10 at first, so i was wondering how could he jump from 14.04 to 15.10 without going through 14.10 and 15.04 by using -d , didn't make much sense
[14:44] <BluesKaj> exactly
[14:44] <EriC^^> like if someone had 13.10 and 16.04 is about to get released in a week they can just use -d and jump straight to that
[14:44] <EriC^^> but usually cant and have to go a bunch of releases up first
[14:45] <BluesKaj> dunno , never tried skipping releases with -d
[15:01] <TJ-> I recall doing some work with the release-upgrader-core some years ago. with 'do-release-upgrade --devel' it'll fetch http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development and take the latest "Supported: 1" entry
[16:53] <MonkeyDust> yes
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[18:35] <lordievader> o/
[18:35] <daftykins> \o
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader i tested unity8/mir on xenial :p
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> hi daftykins
[18:35] <lordievader> Blegh Unity...
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:35] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: How was it? Horrible?
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> hehe shiny bling like ubuntu touch :p
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> but still shows as the phone version, alot of work needed until its desktop version
[18:37] <lordievader> Is it usable yet?
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: mouse support works to slide the scopes and browsing works
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: but again, it doesnt look like a desktop yet, much more phone
[18:38] <lordievader> Brr
[18:38] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> who knows what they will do with plasma in the future :p
[18:58] <daftykins> wow at 3x to ask 'which OS are you in?'
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> prrrt
 I installed Ubuntu GNOME 15.10 on my desktop with Asus Z170-K motherboard and legacy mode enabled. The drive is formatted with GPT and already has Windows on it.
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> thats his first question
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> how are we suppose to know
[19:00] <lordievader> How is that a question?
[19:00] <lordievader> It mises the question mark and the... uhh... question.
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: hello mate
[19:04] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: O/ .. 'Nother lovely day in the neighborhood .
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> : )
[19:08] <lotuspsychje> i like uefi only when ubuntu boots it single :p
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> lucky for our users we have EriC^^ :p
[19:09] <OerHeks> i like uefa only when .... wait
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> hahaha
[19:09] <OerHeks> there are vendors that build their own uefi
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu and football even dont match OerHeks
[19:09] <EriC^^> i wish tj was here
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: got a question?
[19:10] <EriC^^> i remember he had a bright idea about converting without booting into uefi mode
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: converting what
[19:10] <MonkeyDust> don't believe him
[19:10] <EriC^^> ah i remember
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> lol MonkeyDust
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> never saw you was here MonkeyDust
[19:11] <EriC^^> loading the efivars module or something so grub can access it from a legacy booted session
[19:11] <MonkeyDust> (have no clue what it's about)
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: there's a little button on your irc client, 'add to favorites' :p
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> we all have our talents here and crazy ideas
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> especially OerHeks is also crazy
[19:16] <daftykins> EriC^^: :D
[19:16] <MonkeyDust> i hate crazy people
[19:16]  * lotuspsychje hides
[19:16] <EriC^^> daftykins: i like this guy, he's quick! :D
[19:16] <daftykins> MonkeyDust: if so, why do you join us in #ubuntu ? :D
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: we need einsteins in this world!
[19:16] <daftykins> EriC^^: lol he took many minutes to even say which OS he was in before :(
[19:16] <daftykins> EriC^^: i guess i warmed him up for you :P
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> hahaha
[19:17] <EriC^^> haha
[19:17] <EriC^^> :D
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> warming up support
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> thats new :p
[19:17]  * lotuspsychje gonna warm up some trolls for OerHeks 
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> ioria is a weird guy...oops shhhh
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> he's here
[19:20] <ioria> yes, i'm
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> :p
[19:21] <ioria> :þ
[19:23] <MonkeyDust> i hate weird guys
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:24] <ioria> indeed... i hate myself
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> ioria: ok give 50 euro for the psychological advise to me now :p
[19:26] <ioria> lotuspsychje,   come again , please  ????
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> ioria: its a joke
[19:26] <ioria> oh, Crazy World ? my kingdom for an horse !
[19:27] <lotuspsychje> https://news.drweb.com/show/?i=9709&lng=en
[19:27] <daftykins> guruprased is another skylake upgrader then
[19:28] <daftykins> no doubt tripping up on early EFIs :D
[19:38] <EriC^^> man chkdsk sucks, this guy installed linux yesterday, windows somehow got corrupted wouldn't mount
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> windows 10 brrrr
[19:38] <EriC^^> ntfsfix said to use chkdsk, so he used chkdsk from a windows cd, today his partition mounted, except it only had System Volume Information in it
[19:39] <EriC^^> nothing in testdisk either
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> weird
[19:39] <EriC^^> he didn't have any stuff on it though, said it was from work
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: you sure he followed correct steps to install dualboot uefi?
[19:40] <EriC^^> he said he used the installer's other option to install to the empty space
[19:40] <EriC^^> i wanted to ask him how he shrunk the partition and if he booted into it after shrinking a couple times cause some people say it's recommended
[19:41] <EriC^^> didn't find out though if that's what got it corrupted, his smart data looked clean
[19:41] <EriC^^> i think it's a new 128gb ssd
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> ssd should be fine, but weird that windows is gone
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> if he's sure that he installed?
[19:42] <EriC^^> *shrug*
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: is it a hybrid ssd?
[19:42] <EriC^^> dunno, it was win7 fwiw
[19:47] <lotuspsychje> wb BluesKaj
[19:47] <BluesKaj> thanks lotuspsychje
[19:52] <daftykins> EriC^^: i think that user did more than you were told ;)
[19:52] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: I have learned to watch out : Intel Smart Response Technology - dual boot . embedded data .
[19:52] <OerHeks> maybe it had bitlocker
[19:53] <OerHeks> :-D
[19:53] <daftykins> i've had win7 installed beside a xubuntu install for ages, keep upgrading xubuntu... upgraded to win10 and installed several new builds since, not one hint of trouble
[19:53] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: i had a medion box once with weird intel setting blocking new Os install once
[19:53] <daftykins> ah the boot sector protection? :D
[19:54] <JanC> boot sector protection doesn't really work outside DOS, right?  :P
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: keep forgetting its setting name
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> intel something something...
[19:55] <daftykins> intel break lotus' stuff, i think
[19:55] <daftykins> :D
[19:55] <daftykins> JanC: sure does
[19:55] <Bashing-om> Once upon a time in windows 7 with SSD and fast startup ... welp that was MS doing a raid thing .
[19:55] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:55] <lotuspsychje> hehe daftykins
[19:56] <JanC> early boot sector protection worked purely at the BIOS level and modern OSs don't use that after boot
[19:59] <daftykins> my memory is hazy, it could've been as long ago as Windows XP that setup got booted by for trying to do it when that option was on
[20:58] <Kaosu> I was wondering if anyone might take a look a Ubuntu security guide I decided to write. Feel free to PM me with feedback. You can find the guide at: https://codezero.me/Ubuntu-Security-Guide/
[20:59] <lotuspsychje> Kaosu: looks good, but i would add some more stuff
[20:59] <Kaosu> Such as?
[20:59] <lotuspsychje> Kaosu: like intrusion detectors
[21:00] <lotuspsychje> Kaosu: fail2ban for ssh users
[21:00] <MonkeyDust> Kaosu  i scrolled quickly in your manual... there's this too... http://hardenubuntu.com/
[21:00] <lotuspsychje> !security | Kaosu and here
[21:00] <Kaosu> My plan was to split the guide up into two parts, but make them a complete guide when combined together. The first half would be focused on home users and the second half would be aimed at administrators/power users.
[21:01] <Kaosu> So, the second half would cover all of those suggested topics.
[21:01] <lotuspsychje> good idea
[21:01] <MonkeyDust> Kaosu  and add a short content list too, in the beginning of the document
[21:01] <lordievader> Perhaps a section about rkhunter too?
[21:02] <lotuspsychje> good idea lordievader
[21:03] <Kaosu> I made a note to add information about rkhunter in the "malware" section.
[21:03] <MonkeyDust> Kaosu  another thing: try sudo apt update, see what's different   <-- not apt-get
[21:03] <lotuspsychje> !usn | Kaosu yeah read here also
[21:05] <Kaosu> I might actually add a section to the guide like "Current Security Issues" and just grab the top entries from the USN
[21:05] <MonkeyDust> Kaosu  and avoid referring to yourself, as in 'I would prefer'
[21:06] <Kaosu> Monkey: Thanks for pointing that out. I will go through and fix the areas where I did that.
[21:06] <Kaosu> I'm not a very good writer, but I am getting better about not doing things like that.
[21:08] <lotuspsychje> nite nite all