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| chiluk | o/ ??? all alone. | 15:01 |
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| sil2100 | o/ | 15:01 |
| chiluk | I have a feeling my chances of reaching quorum are going to be difficult this week. | 15:01 |
| chiluk | what about xnox, and cyphermox, and the rest of the DMB peeps? | 15:02 |
| * xnox is here | 15:02 | |
| cyphermox | o/ | 15:02 |
| sil2100 | cyphermox is around for sure, just talked with him on -devel | 15:02 |
| sil2100 | chiluk: weren't you applying 2 weeks ago? ;) | 15:02 |
| cyphermox | I pinged infinity already | 15:02 |
| chiluk | sil2100: I was... but we couldn't get quorum | 15:03 |
| cyphermox | micahg: are you around after all? | 15:03 |
| sil2100 | Ah, ok | 15:03 |
| chiluk | so the vote was postponed. | 15:03 |
| cyphermox | stgraber: poke | 15:03 |
| sil2100 | oh, some ocaml leftovers in NBS | 15:03 |
| sil2100 | That won't look good on my resume | 15:03 |
| cyphermox | sil2100: it happens, that was nice transition | 15:05 |
| * sil2100 promises to deal with those this week | 15:05 | |
| sil2100 | Thanks :) | 15:06 |
| chiluk | I have a feeling infinity is either asleep, on vacation or both. | 15:06 |
| cyphermox | oh, that might be the case | 15:06 |
| chiluk | it's thanksgiving week for us Americans. | 15:06 |
| cyphermox | yep | 15:06 |
| chiluk | cyphermox how many do you need for quorum. | 15:06 |
| cyphermox | 4 people | 15:06 |
| cyphermox | we're two right now | 15:06 |
| cyphermox | of course the two most important, impartial, and kind people are around | 15:07 |
| cyphermox | humble, too ;) | 15:07 |
| cyphermox | bdmurray: around? | 15:07 |
| cyphermox | Laney: poke poke. | 15:08 |
| * sil2100 pokes stgraber just in case | 15:08 | |
| cyphermox | I may be able to call stgraber if necessary, but I don't have a way to reach others if not through IRC | 15:09 |
| chiluk | you guys are killing me.. at this rate, I'll be applying for coredev instead of UCD... | 15:10 |
| cyphermox | chiluk: hehe | 15:10 |
| cyphermox | I wish people tried harder to make it to the meetings, but I'm often guilty of forgetting about it too. | 15:11 |
| chiluk | yeah I was just making a joke.. I was fearful two weeks ago that this would happen due to the holiday here. | 15:11 |
| sil2100 | Isn't Adam in Canada now anyway? | 15:12 |
| chiluk | doesn't mean he'd be awake. | 15:12 |
| cyphermox | Stephane and Adam have no excuse, it's not thanksgiving in Canada ;) | 15:12 |
| sil2100 | I thought the turkey-thing was only for the US guys | 15:12 |
| sil2100 | ;) | 15:12 |
| chiluk | it is but I thought Adam was american by birth.. we bring our holidays with us wherever we go. | 15:13 |
| cyphermox | stgraber should be around soon | 15:14 |
| chiluk | including xnox that would make 4. | 15:14 |
| * stgraber waves :) | 15:14 | |
| chiluk | Hey Hey! | 15:15 |
| sil2100 | \o/ | 15:15 |
| cyphermox | just need one more DMB member. | 15:15 |
| xnox | !dbm-ping | 15:16 |
| cyphermox | !dmb-ping | 15:16 |
| ubottu | cyphermox, infinity, Laney, micahg, xnox, bdmurray, stgraber: DMB ping | 15:16 |
| chiluk | isn't there some double jeopardy clause in the by-laws such that if an applicant can't be voted on for more than one meeting they are automatically accepted? | 15:17 |
| chiluk | please please... | 15:17 |
| cyphermox | chiluk: we can certainly do it by email | 15:17 |
| Laney | I'm here | 15:17 |
| Laney | sorry | 15:17 |
| Laney | !dmb-ping | 15:17 |
| ubottu | cyphermox, infinity, Laney, micahg, xnox, bdmurray, stgraber: DMB ping | 15:17 |
| chiluk | wooHOO! | 15:17 |
| cyphermox | yay | 15:17 |
| Laney | full of cold | 15:17 |
| sil2100 | \o/ | 15:17 |
| chiluk | let's get this party started. | 15:18 |
| chiluk | I know you guys have more important things to do. | 15:18 |
| cyphermox | micah's turn to chair but he's not around. stgraber can you do it? | 15:18 |
| * xnox is confused if we have all or not. | 15:19 | |
| stgraber | yup | 15:19 |
| Laney | all what? | 15:19 |
| cyphermox | xnox: we have quorum | 15:19 |
| stgraber | #startmeeting DMB meeting | 15:20 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Mon Nov 23 15:20:04 2015 UTC. The chair is stgraber. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 15:20 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 15:20 |
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| cyphermox | 4 DMB members, as I recall | 15:20 |
| xnox | cyphermox, cool. | 15:20 |
| stgraber | #topic Review of previous action items | 15:21 |
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| stgraber | Laney to start an onboarding page for new dmb members | 15:21 |
| stgraber | Laney: has that been done or should we carry this one over? | 15:21 |
| Laney | I did it | 15:22 |
| Laney | I mailed a link to the list asking for comments | 15:22 |
| Laney | didn't get any | 15:22 |
| cyphermox | can you share the link here for the minutes/ | 15:22 |
| * xnox does not recall.... =( | 15:22 | |
| Laney | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase | 15:23 |
| * cyphermox searches | 15:23 | |
| stgraber | oh yeah, just found the e-mail | 15:23 |
| Laney | Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 17:52:51 +0100 | 15:23 |
| stgraber | DMB members who didn't consent to fill in feedback to Noskcaj | 15:23 |
| * xnox ducks | 15:26 | |
| stgraber | I think we need to keep this one as I'm not seeing evidence that this happened :) | 15:26 |
| cyphermox | yes | 15:26 |
| stgraber | #topic Confirm whether we grant membership for uploaders by default | 15:26 |
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| xnox | last meeting we converged to the following: if one wants membership one should apply as contributing developer, motu, or core-dev. | 15:26 |
| xnox | per-package(set) uploaders do not assume membership. | 15:27 |
| Laney | erm | 15:27 |
| cyphermox | Laney: we had some discussion about this at the last meeting but it seemed like we couldn't quite get to an agreement | 15:27 |
| Laney | you decided to change the criteria? | 15:27 |
| xnox | if one wants PPU + membership, one should explicitely apply for PPU+contributing developer. | 15:27 |
| Laney | oh geez | 15:27 |
| xnox | Laney, yeah, this is summary of a (new) opinion, some board members had. | 15:27 |
| xnox | i.e. myself and (micahg?!) can't remember now. | 15:28 |
| cyphermox | could we perhaps move ahead to voting on this proposition, or decide to amend it? | 15:28 |
| stgraber | yeah, we can vote but by the sounds of it, it won't pass | 15:28 |
| cyphermox | which won't pass? ;) | 15:29 |
| stgraber | we're only 4 around, if we don't get 4 +1s it'll fail | 15:29 |
| cyphermox | right | 15:29 |
| xnox | we can vote as is. I will vote -1 on "grant membership for uploaders by default". And say that there is already mechanism for that -> contributing developer. | 15:29 |
| xnox | i can be convinced that i'm being illogical =) | 15:29 |
| stgraber | the proposal on the agenda is to by default assume that PPU means membership unless we decide otherwise | 15:29 |
| cyphermox | well, then it needs to be amended, and we probably should take this to email instead so everyone can bring up their points | 15:29 |
| xnox | and that e.g. contributing member -> is membership without any upload rights, and that membership is needed for uploading anything. | 15:29 |
| Laney | It's too much of a burden to assume that people will understand this, and doesn't make sense to make the DMB explicitly make this determination fro every application | 15:30 |
| Laney | whatever | 15:30 |
| cyphermox | doesn't it kind of involve sustained contributions at least to even be considered for PPU? | 15:30 |
| stgraber | I agree with Laney, it's way easier for us to determine when someone shouldn't be getting membership and make it clear then rather than require EVERYONE to request both | 15:30 |
| cyphermox | in which case Laney's proposition is simple and straightforward | 15:31 |
| xnox | oh, if we grant it when people are eligble, that makes sense. | 15:31 |
| xnox | and it's up to us to be diligent, and say "yeah cool you can upload but no membership yet, come back for it" that sounds sensible. | 15:32 |
| cyphermox | xnox: sounds to me like that is what Laney means :) | 15:32 |
| xnox | i guess at each PPU grant, we do a second mini-vote whether or not to grant membership too? | 15:32 |
| Laney | No | 15:32 |
| xnox | why would we do that, instead of granting contributing developer? | 15:32 |
| cyphermox | I wouldn't even bother | 15:33 |
| Laney | You just have the vote in the negative case | 15:33 |
| Laney | in most cases it is implied | 15:33 |
| xnox | to PPUs, when PPUs apply, and are eligible for membership? | 15:33 |
| Laney | it really hardly ever comes up in practie | 15:33 |
| Laney | practice | 15:33 |
| Laney | so it's not sensible to put the burden on the normal case | 15:33 |
| xnox | "This does not happen automatically - they must be added to the ~ubuntu-dev team." -> can we not add people to contributing developer instead? | 15:33 |
| * xnox ponders if we should move on to email. | 15:34 | |
| Laney | ucd isn't in ubuntu-dev | 15:34 |
| Laney | I'm only happy moving to email if people will actually reply. :) | 15:36 |
| stgraber | ubuntu-dev is only for Ubuntu members who have upload rights, so being in UCD doesn't get you that | 15:36 |
| xnox | stgraber, ack. | 15:36 |
| Laney | it gets you bug control and other teams that UCD doesn't | 15:36 |
| Laney | because UCD is just membership | 15:37 |
| xnox | i see. | 15:37 |
| stgraber | we can also vote for it now and then you can get the rest of the members to vote on the list, may be enough to have this pass | 15:37 |
| Laney | OK | 15:38 |
| stgraber | #vote Do we grant Ubuntu membership by default for PPUs (see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-August/000815.html)? | 15:38 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Do we grant Ubuntu membership by default for PPUs (see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-August/000815.html)? | 15:38 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) | 15:38 |
| xnox | +1 | 15:38 |
| meetingology | +1 received from xnox | 15:38 |
| stgraber | +1 | 15:38 |
| meetingology | +1 received from stgraber | 15:38 |
| cyphermox | +1 | 15:38 |
| meetingology | +1 received from cyphermox | 15:38 |
| Laney | +1 | 15:38 |
| meetingology | +1 received from Laney | 15:38 |
| Laney | nice | 15:38 |
| stgraber | #endvote | 15:38 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Do we grant Ubuntu membership by default for PPUs (see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-August/000815.html)? | 15:38 |
| meetingology | Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 | 15:38 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 15:38 |
| stgraber | there, done :) | 15:38 |
| stgraber | Laney: is there any documentation we need updating? | 15:39 |
| Laney | well, it's the status quo, so no | 15:39 |
| Laney | in theory | 15:39 |
| xnox | stgraber, i guess XXX needs removal from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase under teams to add uploaders to | 15:39 |
| Laney | ah | 15:39 |
| Laney | I was just going to say that I should add this somewhere | 15:39 |
| Laney | OK let me edit that | 15:40 |
| stgraber | cool | 15:40 |
| stgraber | #topic Package Set/Per Package Uploader Applications | 15:40 |
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| Laney | that ubuntu-uploaders sentence is utter lies | 15:40 |
| * Laney fixes that too | 15:40 | |
| stgraber | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-October/000856.html | 15:41 |
| stgraber | Laney: ok, so this item is just about adding a new package set for the ubuntu qt stuff and adding a few more packages to the existing qt set? | 15:42 |
| stgraber | qt5 set today: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/xenial/qt5 | 15:43 |
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| Laney | I think so | 15:43 |
| Laney | because they don't fit the description there | 15:43 |
| stgraber | ok, should we just vote on this then, seems pretty straightforward to me | 15:44 |
| Laney | Probably, just want to know what a Qt package is | 15:44 |
| Laney | anything which build-depends on qt at all? | 15:44 |
| cyphermox | seems wrong | 15:45 |
| * xnox 'd just update qt5 packageset description to include all qt5* base stuff, irrespective of origin. | 15:45 | |
| cyphermox | plus it probably should be unity8-desktop as a name or something to the effect that it's unity8 things, not necessarily qt | 15:45 |
| stgraber | proposed description is: | 15:45 |
| stgraber | Qt packages used by Ubuntu not originating from the | 15:45 |
| stgraber | upstream Qt project but using Qt private headers | 15:45 |
| cyphermox | right | 15:46 |
| stgraber | so not all rdepends of qt, more like tight version rdepends (due to private symbols) | 15:46 |
| xnox | sounds good. and just stick that as ".. and" into qt5 package set, and update the lot. | 15:46 |
| stgraber | proposed set of package is: | 15:46 |
| stgraber | appmenu-qt5 ciborium fcitx-qt5 gsettings-qt maliit-framework oxide-qt | 15:46 |
| stgraber | qtmir qtmir-gles qtubuntu qtubuntu-gles qtvideo-node ubuntu-ui-toolkit | 15:46 |
| stgraber | ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles unity8 webbrowser-app | 15:46 |
| cyphermox | except I can see more people wanting to upload these packages in the future, and things being added that might not be qt5 | 15:46 |
| xnox | existing uploaders know how to upload those, as far as I remember. Or have been co-operating with "private ubuntu qt5" uploads in the past (~kubuntu-dev) | 15:47 |
| cyphermox | on top of that, all these packages usually go through the CI train, not usually direct uploads | 15:47 |
| cyphermox | (or, at least most of them, possibly exception being fcitx-qt5 and gsettings-qt | 15:48 |
| * xnox sides at making timo core-dev, and stop adding new qt packagesets or packages, and then timo can be go to person for ci landing of those components ;-) | 15:48 | |
| stgraber | the proposed set name and description don't specifically mention qt5, just says ubuntu specific stuff using private qt symbols, so typically ubuntu sdk and related libs, with unity8 being a special one | 15:48 |
| cyphermox | stgraber: there's lots of stuff surrounding that current set that are make with go, and so don't have any qt symbols | 15:49 |
| cyphermox | or at least, that was my understanding | 15:49 |
| cyphermox | I mostly just don't like the qt/using qt headers being a criteria for a packageset, I guess | 15:50 |
| sil2100 | Mirv wants to try for core-dev, but said he'll do it after I become a core-dev first | 15:50 |
| sil2100 | Soooo... just saying.. you know... | 15:50 |
| sil2100 | ;) | 15:50 |
| cyphermox | vote or not, and then move on? | 15:50 |
| xnox | sil2100, i shall not be peer pressured. | 15:50 |
| * Laney watches money slide under the table | 15:51 | |
| sil2100 | I'm not implying anything! My intentions are as clear as mountain water | 15:51 |
| * sil2100 goes quiet now | 15:51 | |
| Laney | I'm happy to vote this | 15:52 |
| stgraber | cyphermox: the static go stuff would never be in that set because if statically built (instead of using cgo), you won't need rebuild/changing when private symbols change in the archive, since it bundles its own copy | 15:52 |
| stgraber | #vote Create a new ubuntu-qt-packages packageset with description "Qt packages used by Ubuntu not originating from the upstream Qt project but using Qt private headers" | 15:52 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Create a new ubuntu-qt-packages packageset with description "Qt packages used by Ubuntu not originating from the upstream Qt project but using Qt private headers" | 15:52 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) | 15:52 |
| cyphermox | stgraber: I'm saying by this that it feels to specific | 15:52 |
| stgraber | +1 | 15:52 |
| meetingology | +1 received from stgraber | 15:52 |
| Laney | I'd be happy to amend this by mail | 15:52 |
| Laney | it's not the best | 15:52 |
| Laney | +1 | 15:52 |
| meetingology | +1 received from Laney | 15:52 |
| cyphermox | +0. seems to specific to me, but I won't block if everyone agrees already. | 15:52 |
| meetingology | +0. seems to specific to me, but I won't block if everyone agrees already. received from cyphermox | 15:52 |
| stgraber | cyphermox: I like too specific, it's easier to make it less specific than more specific later :) | 15:52 |
| xnox | +1 | 15:53 |
| meetingology | +1 received from xnox | 15:53 |
| cyphermox | I'd rather fewer random packagesets for random things | 15:53 |
| stgraber | #endvote | 15:53 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Create a new ubuntu-qt-packages packageset with description "Qt packages used by Ubuntu not originating from the upstream Qt project but using Qt private headers" | 15:53 |
| meetingology | Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 | 15:53 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 15:53 |
| cyphermox | ^ motion carried | 15:53 |
| Laney | false | 15:53 |
| stgraber | yeah, that's wrong | 15:53 |
| Laney | deferred to email | 15:53 |
| xnox | true. | 15:53 |
| cyphermox | no, consider it fine for me tbh | 15:53 |
| Laney | or next meeting | 15:53 |
| Laney | then you need to vote +1 :P | 15:53 |
| cyphermox | did you not read what was next to +0? ;) | 15:54 |
| xnox | we have quorum, and we only need to have possitive outcome. | 15:54 |
| cyphermox | let's move on | 15:54 |
| Laney | ffs | 15:54 |
| stgraber | we need quorum and 4 +1s to have a motion pass, this wasn't the case here | 15:54 |
| stgraber | so if cyphermox feels like +1ing instead, we can re-vote, otherwise this is moving to ML to get the remaining votes | 15:55 |
| cyphermox | arf | 15:55 |
| cyphermox | sure, let's quickly revote | 15:55 |
| stgraber | #vote Create a new ubuntu-qt-packages packageset with description "Qt packages used by Ubuntu not originating from the upstream Qt project but using Qt private headers" | 15:55 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Create a new ubuntu-qt-packages packageset with description "Qt packages used by Ubuntu not originating from the upstream Qt project but using Qt private headers" | 15:55 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) | 15:55 |
| stgraber | +1 | 15:55 |
| meetingology | +1 received from stgraber | 15:55 |
| cyphermox | +1 | 15:55 |
| meetingology | +1 received from cyphermox | 15:55 |
| xnox | +1 | 15:55 |
| meetingology | +1 received from xnox | 15:55 |
| Laney | +1 | 15:55 |
| meetingology | +1 received from Laney | 15:55 |
| Laney | haha | 15:56 |
| stgraber | #endvote | 15:56 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Create a new ubuntu-qt-packages packageset with description "Qt packages used by Ubuntu not originating from the upstream Qt project but using Qt private headers" | 15:56 |
| meetingology | Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 | 15:56 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 15:56 |
| Laney | thanks! | 15:56 |
| stgraber | there we go :) | 15:56 |
| cyphermox | thar. | 15:56 |
| stgraber | #action stgraber to implement changes listed in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-October/000856.html | 15:56 |
| meetingology | ACTION: stgraber to implement changes listed in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-October/000856.html | 15:56 |
| stgraber | #topic Ubuntu Contributing Developer Applications | 15:56 |
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| stgraber | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/chiluk | 15:56 |
| stgraber | chiluk: still around? | 15:56 |
| chiluk | yes.. | 15:57 |
| stgraber | can you give us a quick intro on who you are and what you've been doing? | 15:57 |
| cyphermox | I know chiluk, he definitely did not bribe me to +1. | 15:57 |
| chiluk | hah. | 15:57 |
| xnox | I know chiluk, he definitely did not bribe me to +1. | 15:57 |
| chiluk | Alright, well I work for Canonical on sustaining old releases. | 15:57 |
| chiluk | mostly for paying customers, but I do my best to get out on public launchpad as often as I can. | 15:58 |
| chiluk | as such my work is very scatter-brained and unfocussed. | 15:58 |
| chiluk | I'm not requesting PPU for that reason. | 15:58 |
| stgraber | sounds like everyone's ready to vote already so let's do it then :) | 15:58 |
| chiluk | there are very few packages that I will ever touch twice. | 15:59 |
| chiluk | hah. | 15:59 |
| stgraber | #startvote UCD for chiluk | 15:59 |
| chiluk | alright guys. | 15:59 |
| stgraber | #vote UCD for chiluk | 15:59 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: UCD for chiluk | 15:59 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) | 15:59 |
| stgraber | +1 | 15:59 |
| meetingology | +1 received from stgraber | 15:59 |
| cyphermox | +1 | 15:59 |
| meetingology | +1 received from cyphermox | 15:59 |
| Laney | +! | 15:59 |
| Laney | 1!! | 15:59 |
| Laney | +1 | 15:59 |
| meetingology | +1 received from Laney | 15:59 |
| xnox | +1 | 15:59 |
| meetingology | +1 received from xnox | 15:59 |
| Laney | PLUS BANG | 15:59 |
| chiluk | someone should -1 for infinity | 15:59 |
| stgraber | #endvote | 15:59 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: UCD for chiluk | 15:59 |
| meetingology | Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 | 15:59 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 15:59 |
| sil2100 | Man, I should have brought screwdrivers with me to the sprint too... | 15:59 |
| chiluk | sil2100: why when, I live in town. | 15:59 |
| cyphermox | chiluk: my only request would be for you to fix https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/coreutils/8.21-1ubuntu5.2 | 16:00 |
| stgraber | oh, is that how you bribed cyphermox? :) | 16:00 |
| chiluk | cyphermox, yeah I'm on that. | 16:00 |
| chiluk | cyphermox, the test never ran before my upload. | 16:00 |
| cyphermox | stgraber: nah, there was no alcohol, just tools. | 16:00 |
| chiluk | now it's being run and failing | 16:00 |
| xnox | chiluk, fyi have you seen https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/coreutils/8.21-1ubuntu5.2 ? =) | 16:00 |
| chiluk | although it only fails ont eh buildds. | 16:00 |
| chiluk | yeah I've been looking into it. | 16:01 |
| xnox | rightyoh. | 16:01 |
| chiluk | the test that fails was never getting run before because df couldn't read the mount table, and would thus skip the test. | 16:01 |
| stgraber | #topic Ubuntu Core Developer application for Łukasz Zemczak | 16:01 |
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| chiluk | so it works better. | 16:01 |
| xnox | chiluk, "Kernel version: Linux lgw01-46 3.19.0-33-generic #38~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Nov 6 18:17:28 UTC 2015 x86_64" =) | 16:01 |
| stgraber | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaszZemczak/CoreDeveloperApplication | 16:01 |
| sil2100 | o/ | 16:01 |
| stgraber | good, you're still around :) | 16:01 |
| * chiluk goes to figure out how to get ubuntu business cards for conferences. | 16:02 | |
| stgraber | sil2100: can you introduce yourself, what you're working on and why you'd like to become a core developer? | 16:02 |
| sil2100 | Sure! | 16:02 |
| sil2100 | I'm Łukasz, working for Canonical for quite a while, currently the semi release-manager for Ubuntu Touch, one of the co-maintainers of the infameous CI Train and current co-maintainer of system-image | 16:03 |
| sil2100 | I'm also a MOTU since over a year | 16:03 |
| sil2100 | Been doing two +1 maintenance sessions, with the most recent one a bit more fruitful than the first | 16:04 |
| sil2100 | I have worked a bit more on main packages recently and decided to re-apply - becoming a core-dev would make my development work much easier, not only from the CI Train side, but also during my patch-pilot and +1 maintenance sessions | 16:05 |
| sil2100 | I'm also the maintainer of the ubuntu-touch seeds and even though the package itself is in universe, the owner of the branches is ubuntu-core-dev, so well ;) I would like to stop bothering people all the time | 16:06 |
| sil2100 | And I think that's basically it, becoming a core-dev is my long-standing goal | 16:07 |
| Laney | so this isn't your first application | 16:08 |
| Laney | what's changed since last time? :) | 16:08 |
| sil2100 | No, last time I applied I basically didn't have too much main experience as during all my piloting sessions and archive work I was concentrating on universe, the place where I had power | 16:08 |
| Mirv | (thanks for the Qt PPU additions. with those I'd manage through Qt 5.5 before applying for core-dev) | 16:08 |
| sil2100 | So since that time I started actually working on main packages as advised by xnox, helping out in the wily FTBFS from the test-rebuilds right before release | 16:09 |
| * xnox notices abi transitions work from sil as well | 16:09 | |
| sil2100 | Then I wanted to help out and resolve the ocaml transition, but sadly most of the packages there were in universe | 16:09 |
| sil2100 | And just now noticed that I have some leftovers in NBS from the transition, ouch! But resolving those now inbetween things | 16:10 |
| xnox | sil2100, which tools did you use to assist you with ocaml transition? | 16:10 |
| sil2100 | xnox: reverse-depends, a xenial-proposed chroot, I used chdist for checking installability on different platforms (at first I used the porterboxes, but chdist was faster) | 16:11 |
| xnox | sil2100, any websites at all? e.g. launchpad...? | 16:11 |
| sil2100 | I created a few scripts that were helping me in the no-change rebuilds, checking for installability problems first and then outputting dependencies etc. | 16:11 |
| sil2100 | xnox: used launchpad too, but my scripts were fetching the most required information using LP API | 16:12 |
| sil2100 | Like which archs FTBFS, what binaries are provided by the packages | 16:12 |
| sil2100 | At first I was checking those manually through launchpad, but seeing ~100 packages in the transition, I got tired and wrote some stupid-helpers | 16:13 |
| xnox | sil2100, have you used transition tracker at all? | 16:13 |
| sil2100 | Of course | 16:13 |
| xnox | cool. | 16:14 |
| sil2100 | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/ocaml.html | 16:14 |
| sil2100 | That was the main page I was using for the transition | 16:14 |
| sil2100 | (e.g. which packages needed my attention) | 16:14 |
| sil2100 | I see that something causes now ocaml to have installability issues, will look at that later | 16:17 |
| Laney | any more? | 16:17 |
| stgraber | #vote Ubuntu Core Developer membership for sil2100 | 16:19 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Ubuntu Core Developer membership for sil2100 | 16:19 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) | 16:19 |
| xnox | +1 | 16:21 |
| meetingology | +1 received from xnox | 16:21 |
| cyphermox | +1 | 16:21 |
| meetingology | +1 received from cyphermox | 16:21 |
| Laney | +1 | 16:21 |
| meetingology | +1 received from Laney | 16:21 |
| stgraber | +1 | 16:21 |
| meetingology | +1 received from stgraber | 16:21 |
| stgraber | #endvote | 16:21 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Ubuntu Core Developer membership for sil2100 | 16:21 |
| meetingology | Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 | 16:21 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 16:21 |
| sil2100 | \o/ Thank you! | 16:21 |
| Na3iL | congrats sil2100 :) | 16:22 |
| Mirv | congrats sil2100! | 16:22 |
| cyphermox | thanks sil2100 | 16:22 |
| cyphermox | I hope that doesn't mean I hear less from you for citrain silo reviews ;) | 16:23 |
| sil2100 | hah ;) | 16:23 |
| sil2100 | Interesting, all ocaml binaries look installable here, maybe I'll have to dig a bit deeper | 16:24 |
| * xnox /o\ what have we done. anway, i shall have sil2100 on speed dial for any ci train issues =) | 16:24 | |
| sil2100 | But I noticed that the ben is not to be trusted in 100% | 16:24 |
| stgraber | #topic Select a chair for the next meeting (following alphabetical order of first names) | 16:25 |
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| sil2100 | No worries! I'll get bad karma if I publish too many bad packages through the train | 16:25 |
| stgraber | that will be micahg, I'll move my name last in the list | 16:25 |
| * sil2100 only likes good karma | 16:25 | |
| stgraber | #topic AOB | 16:25 |
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| stgraber | anything? | 16:25 |
| cyphermox | I don't know | 16:26 |
| stgraber | I've already done the packageset changes we agreed on, added chiluk to UCD and sil2100 to core-dev, so we should be good action-wise. | 16:26 |
| sil2100 | stgraber: thanks! | 16:26 |
| cyphermox | I responded to Timo by email to say the pkgset was done | 16:26 |
| stgraber | thanks! | 16:26 |
| chiluk | thanks stgraber, cyphermox, Laney, xnox | 16:27 |
| cyphermox | chiluk: looking forward to sponsoring requests from you to eventually +1 a core-dev application | 16:27 |
| chiluk | that's the goal. | 16:28 |
| stgraber | agenda updated too | 16:28 |
| Laney | thanks | 16:29 |
| stgraber | and replied to the applications saying they've been approved and Cced the news-team | 16:29 |
| stgraber | so I think we're all done | 16:29 |
| stgraber | #endmeeting | 16:29 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Mon Nov 23 16:29:50 2015 UTC. | 16:29 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-11-23-15.20.moin.txt | 16:29 |
| tyhicks | hello | 16:32 |
| jjohansen | \o | 16:32 |
| tyhicks | #startmeeting | 16:32 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Mon Nov 23 16:32:47 2015 UTC. The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 16:32 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 16:32 |
| tyhicks | The meeting agenda can be found at: | 16:32 |
| tyhicks | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting | 16:32 |
| tyhicks | [TOPIC] Announcements | 16:32 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Announcements | ||
| tyhicks | Andrew Starr-Bochicchio (asomething) provided debdiffs for trusty-wily for libpng (LP: #1516592) | 16:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1516592 in libpng (Ubuntu Wily) "CVE-2015-8126: Multiple buffer overflows" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1516592 | 16:33 |
| tyhicks | Bas Couwenberg (sebastic) provided debdiffs for trusty-vivid for freexl (LP: #1516257) | 16:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1516257 in freexl (Ubuntu Vivid) "[DSA 3208-2] freexl regression update" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1516257 | 16:33 |
| tyhicks | Thank you for your assistance in keeping Ubuntu users secure! :) | 16:33 |
| tyhicks | [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report | 16:33 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Weekly stand-up report | ||
| tyhicks | mdeslaur: you're up | 16:33 |
| mdeslaur | I'm on bug triage this week | 16:34 |
| mdeslaur | I'm testing some icedtea-web updates, and I have an embargoed update to test | 16:35 |
| mdeslaur | after that, I'll be going down the list, as usual | 16:35 |
| mdeslaur | that's it | 16:35 |
| mdeslaur | sbeattie: you're up | 16:35 |
| sbeattie | I'm on cve triage this week | 16:35 |
| sbeattie | I'm currently digging in to a couple of build failures I hit after building the vast majority of main with gcc-pie | 16:36 |
| sbeattie | I also have openjdk-7 packages to test | 16:36 |
| sbeattie | and that will probably consume my short week this week (US thanksgiving) | 16:36 |
| sbeattie | tyhicks: you're up | 16:37 |
| tyhicks | I need to restart the mapplauncherd review (preempted last week by another code review) | 16:37 |
| tyhicks | I want to start working on AppArmor policy loads inside of a user namespace | 16:37 |
| tyhicks | and I need to do some snappy sprint prep | 16:38 |
| tyhicks | short week for me (US holiday + I'm off Wed) | 16:38 |
| tyhicks | jjohansen: you're up | 16:38 |
| jjohansen | its a short week for me too due to the thanksgiving holiday, I need to finish up with bug 1446906, and send out a couple more patches for the apparmor kernel SRU for review, and the get back to working on stacking | 16:38 |
| ubottu | bug 1446906 in lxc (Ubuntu) "lxc container with postfix, permission denied on mailq" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1446906 | 16:38 |
| jjohansen | thats it for /me sarnold you're up | 16:39 |
| sarnold | I'm on community this week; short week, thanksgiving; I'm finishing the libmicrohttp* MIR, starting DPDK, and reviewing some of the apparmor kernel patches that I assume are headed my way | 16:40 |
| sarnold | that's it for me, chrisccoulson? | 16:40 |
| chrisccoulson | I've got a chromium update to sponsor this week, I'm also still waiting for a thunderbird release | 16:41 |
| chrisccoulson | I shall be preparing an Oxide release for next week as well | 16:41 |
| chrisccoulson | In addition to that, I've got quite a lot of reviews to get through. I've just done one | 16:41 |
| chrisccoulson | I'm currently trying to get the camera working in the browser - it's just crashing atm, but I hope to have that done this week | 16:42 |
| chrisccoulson | Then I plan to work on what we discussed at the sprint for bug 1447345 | 16:42 |
| ubottu | bug 1447345 in Oxide "Support the unprivileged namespace sandbox" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1447345 | 16:42 |
| chrisccoulson | I think that's it | 16:42 |
| tyhicks | busy week :) | 16:42 |
| chrisccoulson | (no short week for me) | 16:42 |
| tyhicks | [TOPIC] Highlighted packages | 16:43 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Highlighted packages | ||
| tyhicks | The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so. | 16:43 |
| tyhicks | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved. | 16:43 |
| tyhicks | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/rope.html | 16:43 |
| tyhicks | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/tntnet.html | 16:43 |
| tyhicks | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ldns.html | 16:43 |
| tyhicks | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libfpdi-php.html | 16:43 |
| tyhicks | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/snack.html | 16:43 |
| tyhicks | [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions | 16:43 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Miscellaneous and Questions | ||
| tyhicks | Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss? | 16:44 |
| tyhicks | mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson: Thanks! | 16:46 |
| tyhicks | #endmeeting | 16:46 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Mon Nov 23 16:46:18 2015 UTC. | 16:46 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-11-23-16.32.moin.txt | 16:46 |
| sbeattie | tyhicks: thanks! | 16:46 |
| sarnold | thanks tyhicks! | 16:46 |
| mdeslaur | thanks tyhicks | 16:46 |
| jjohansen | thanks tyhicks | 16:46 |
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