[15:01] <chiluk> o/ ???  all alone.
[15:01] <sil2100> o/
[15:01] <chiluk> I have a feeling my chances of reaching quorum are going to be difficult this week.
[15:02] <chiluk> what about xnox, and cyphermox, and the rest of the DMB peeps?
[15:02]  * xnox is here
[15:02] <cyphermox> o/
[15:02] <sil2100> cyphermox is around for sure, just talked with him on -devel
[15:02] <sil2100> chiluk: weren't you applying 2 weeks ago? ;)
[15:02] <cyphermox> I pinged infinity already
[15:03] <chiluk> sil2100: I was... but we couldn't get quorum
[15:03] <cyphermox> micahg: are you around after all?
[15:03] <sil2100> Ah, ok
[15:03] <chiluk> so the vote was postponed.
[15:03] <cyphermox> stgraber: poke
[15:03] <sil2100> oh, some ocaml leftovers in NBS
[15:03] <sil2100> That won't look good on my resume
[15:05] <cyphermox> sil2100: it happens, that was nice transition
[15:05]  * sil2100 promises to deal with those this week
[15:06] <sil2100> Thanks :)
[15:06] <chiluk> I have a feeling infinity is either asleep, on vacation or both.
[15:06] <cyphermox> oh, that might be the case
[15:06] <chiluk> it's thanksgiving week for us Americans.
[15:06] <cyphermox> yep
[15:06] <chiluk> cyphermox how many do you need for quorum.
[15:06] <cyphermox> 4 people
[15:06] <cyphermox> we're two right now
[15:07] <cyphermox> of course the two most important, impartial, and kind people are around
[15:07] <cyphermox> humble, too ;)
[15:07] <cyphermox> bdmurray: around?
[15:08] <cyphermox> Laney: poke poke.
[15:08]  * sil2100 pokes stgraber just in case
[15:09] <cyphermox> I may be able to call stgraber if necessary, but I don't have a way to reach others if not through IRC
[15:10] <chiluk> you guys are killing me.. at this rate, I'll be applying for coredev instead of UCD...
[15:10] <cyphermox> chiluk: hehe
[15:11] <cyphermox> I wish people tried harder to make it to the meetings, but I'm often guilty of forgetting about it too.
[15:11] <chiluk> yeah I was just making a joke.. I was fearful two weeks ago that this would happen due to the holiday here.
[15:12] <sil2100> Isn't Adam in Canada now anyway?
[15:12] <chiluk> doesn't mean he'd be awake.
[15:12] <cyphermox> Stephane and Adam have no excuse, it's not thanksgiving in Canada ;)
[15:12] <sil2100> I thought the turkey-thing was only for the US guys
[15:12] <sil2100> ;)
[15:13] <chiluk> it is but I thought Adam was american by birth.. we bring our holidays with us wherever we go.
[15:14] <cyphermox> stgraber should be around soon
[15:14] <chiluk> including xnox that would make 4.
[15:14]  * stgraber waves :)
[15:15] <chiluk> Hey Hey!
[15:15] <sil2100> \o/
[15:15] <cyphermox> just need one more DMB member.
[15:16] <xnox> !dbm-ping
[15:16] <cyphermox> !dmb-ping
[15:17] <chiluk> isn't there some double jeopardy clause in the by-laws such that if an applicant can't be voted on for more than one meeting they are automatically accepted?
[15:17] <chiluk> please please...
[15:17] <cyphermox> chiluk: we can certainly do it by email
[15:17] <Laney> I'm here
[15:17] <Laney> sorry
[15:17] <Laney> !dmb-ping
[15:17] <chiluk> wooHOO!
[15:17] <cyphermox> yay
[15:17] <Laney> full of cold
[15:17] <sil2100> \o/
[15:18] <chiluk> let's get this party started.
[15:18] <chiluk> I know you guys have more important things to do.
[15:18] <cyphermox> micah's turn to chair but he's not around. stgraber can you do it?
[15:19]  * xnox is confused if we have all or not.
[15:19] <stgraber> yup
[15:19] <Laney> all what?
[15:19] <cyphermox> xnox: we have quorum
[15:20] <stgraber> #startmeeting DMB meeting
[15:20] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Nov 23 15:20:04 2015 UTC.  The chair is stgraber. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:20] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:20] <cyphermox> 4 DMB members, as I recall
[15:20] <xnox> cyphermox, cool.
[15:21] <stgraber> #topic Review of previous action items
[15:21] <stgraber> Laney to start an onboarding page for new dmb members
[15:21] <stgraber> Laney: has that been done or should we carry this one over?
[15:22] <Laney> I did it
[15:22] <Laney> I mailed a link to the list asking for comments
[15:22] <Laney> didn't get any
[15:22] <cyphermox> can you share the link here for the minutes/
[15:22]  * xnox does not recall.... =(
[15:23] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase
[15:23]  * cyphermox searches
[15:23] <stgraber> oh yeah, just found the e-mail
[15:23] <Laney> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 17:52:51 +0100
[15:23] <stgraber> DMB members who didn't consent to fill in feedback to Noskcaj
[15:26]  * xnox ducks
[15:26] <stgraber> I think we need to keep this one as I'm not seeing evidence that this happened :)
[15:26] <cyphermox> yes
[15:26] <stgraber> #topic Confirm whether we grant membership for uploaders by default
[15:26] <xnox> last meeting we converged to the following: if one wants membership one should apply as contributing developer, motu, or core-dev.
[15:27] <xnox> per-package(set) uploaders do not assume membership.
[15:27] <Laney> erm
[15:27] <cyphermox> Laney: we had some discussion about this at the last meeting but it seemed like we couldn't quite get to an agreement
[15:27] <Laney> you decided to change the criteria?
[15:27] <xnox> if one wants PPU + membership, one should explicitely apply for PPU+contributing developer.
[15:27] <Laney> oh geez
[15:27] <xnox> Laney, yeah, this is summary of a (new) opinion, some board members had.
[15:28] <xnox> i.e. myself and (micahg?!) can't remember now.
[15:28] <cyphermox> could we perhaps move ahead to voting on this proposition, or decide to amend it?
[15:28] <stgraber> yeah, we can vote but by the sounds of it, it won't pass
[15:29] <cyphermox> which won't pass? ;)
[15:29] <stgraber> we're only 4 around, if we don't get 4 +1s it'll fail
[15:29] <cyphermox> right
[15:29] <xnox> we can vote as is. I will vote -1 on "grant membership for uploaders by default". And say that there is already mechanism for that -> contributing developer.
[15:29] <xnox> i can be convinced that i'm being illogical =)
[15:29] <stgraber> the proposal on the agenda is to by default assume that PPU means membership unless we decide otherwise
[15:29] <cyphermox> well, then it needs to be amended, and we probably should take this to email instead so everyone can bring up their points
[15:29] <xnox> and that e.g. contributing member -> is membership without any upload rights, and that membership is needed for uploading anything.
[15:30] <Laney> It's too much of a burden to assume that people will understand this, and doesn't make sense to make the DMB explicitly make this determination fro every application
[15:30] <Laney> whatever
[15:30] <cyphermox> doesn't it kind of involve sustained contributions at least to even be considered for PPU?
[15:30] <stgraber> I agree with Laney, it's way easier for us to determine when someone shouldn't be getting membership and make it clear then rather than require EVERYONE to request both
[15:31] <cyphermox> in which case Laney's proposition is simple and straightforward
[15:31] <xnox> oh, if we grant it when people are eligble, that makes sense.
[15:32] <xnox> and it's up to us to be diligent, and say "yeah cool you can upload but no membership yet, come back for it" that sounds sensible.
[15:32] <cyphermox> xnox: sounds to me like that is what Laney means :)
[15:32] <xnox> i guess at each PPU grant, we do a second mini-vote whether or not to grant membership too?
[15:32] <Laney> No
[15:32] <xnox> why would we do that, instead of granting contributing developer?
[15:33] <cyphermox> I wouldn't even bother
[15:33] <Laney> You just have the vote in the negative case
[15:33] <Laney> in most cases it is implied
[15:33] <xnox> to PPUs, when PPUs apply, and are eligible for membership?
[15:33] <Laney> it really hardly ever comes up in practie
[15:33] <Laney> practice
[15:33] <Laney> so it's not sensible to put the burden on the normal case
[15:33] <xnox> "This does not happen automatically - they must be added to the ~ubuntu-dev team." -> can we not add people to contributing developer instead?
[15:34]  * xnox ponders if we should move on to email.
[15:34] <Laney> ucd isn't in ubuntu-dev
[15:36] <Laney> I'm only happy moving to email if people will actually reply. :)
[15:36] <stgraber> ubuntu-dev is only for Ubuntu members who have upload rights, so being in UCD doesn't get you that
[15:36] <xnox> stgraber, ack.
[15:36] <Laney> it gets you bug control and other teams that UCD doesn't
[15:37] <Laney> because UCD is just membership
[15:37] <xnox> i see.
[15:37] <stgraber> we can also vote for it now and then you can get the rest of the members to vote on the list, may be enough to have this pass
[15:38] <Laney> OK
[15:38] <stgraber> #vote Do we grant Ubuntu membership by default for PPUs (see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-August/000815.html)?
[15:38] <meetingology> Please vote on: Do we grant Ubuntu membership by default for PPUs (see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-August/000815.html)?
[15:38] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[15:38] <xnox> +1
[15:38] <meetingology> +1 received from xnox
[15:38] <stgraber> +1
[15:38] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[15:38] <cyphermox> +1
[15:38] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[15:38] <Laney> +1
[15:38] <meetingology> +1 received from Laney
[15:38] <Laney> nice
[15:38] <stgraber> #endvote
[15:38] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Do we grant Ubuntu membership by default for PPUs (see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-August/000815.html)?
[15:38] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:38] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:38] <stgraber> there, done :)
[15:39] <stgraber> Laney: is there any documentation we need updating?
[15:39] <Laney> well, it's the status quo, so no
[15:39] <Laney> in theory
[15:39] <xnox> stgraber, i guess XXX needs removal from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase under teams to add uploaders to
[15:39] <Laney> ah
[15:39] <Laney> I was just going to say that I should add this somewhere
[15:40] <Laney> OK let me edit that
[15:40] <stgraber> cool
[15:40] <stgraber> #topic Package Set/Per Package Uploader Applications
[15:40] <Laney> that ubuntu-uploaders sentence is utter lies
[15:40]  * Laney fixes that too
[15:41] <stgraber> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-October/000856.html
[15:42] <stgraber> Laney: ok, so this item is just about adding a new package set for the ubuntu qt stuff and adding a few more packages to the existing qt set?
[15:43] <stgraber> qt5 set today: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/xenial/qt5
[15:43] <Laney> I think so
[15:43] <Laney> because they don't fit the description there
[15:44] <stgraber> ok, should we just vote on this then, seems pretty straightforward to me
[15:44] <Laney> Probably, just want to know what a Qt package is
[15:44] <Laney> anything which build-depends on qt at all?
[15:45] <cyphermox> seems wrong
[15:45]  * xnox 'd just update qt5 packageset description to include all qt5* base stuff, irrespective of origin.
[15:45] <cyphermox> plus it probably should be unity8-desktop as a name or something to the effect that it's unity8 things, not necessarily qt
[15:45] <stgraber> proposed description is:
[15:45] <stgraber> Qt packages used by Ubuntu not originating from the
[15:45] <stgraber> upstream Qt project but using Qt private headers
[15:46] <cyphermox> right
[15:46] <stgraber> so not all rdepends of qt, more like tight version rdepends (due to private symbols)
[15:46] <xnox> sounds good. and just stick that as ".. and" into qt5 package set, and update the lot.
[15:46] <stgraber> proposed set of package is:
[15:46] <stgraber> appmenu-qt5 ciborium fcitx-qt5 gsettings-qt maliit-framework oxide-qt
[15:46] <stgraber> qtmir qtmir-gles qtubuntu qtubuntu-gles qtvideo-node ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[15:46] <stgraber> ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles unity8 webbrowser-app
[15:46] <cyphermox> except I can see more people wanting to upload these packages in the future, and things being added that might not be qt5
[15:47] <xnox> existing uploaders know how to upload those, as far as I remember. Or have been co-operating with "private ubuntu qt5" uploads in the past (~kubuntu-dev)
[15:47] <cyphermox> on top of that, all these packages usually go through the CI train, not usually direct uploads
[15:48] <cyphermox> (or, at least most of them, possibly exception being fcitx-qt5 and gsettings-qt
[15:48]  * xnox sides at making timo core-dev, and stop adding new qt packagesets or packages, and then timo can be go to person for ci landing of those components ;-)
[15:48] <stgraber> the proposed set name and description don't specifically mention qt5, just says ubuntu specific stuff using private qt symbols, so typically ubuntu sdk and related libs, with unity8 being a special one
[15:49] <cyphermox> stgraber: there's lots of stuff surrounding that current set that are make with go, and so don't have any qt symbols
[15:49] <cyphermox> or at least, that was my understanding
[15:50] <cyphermox> I mostly just don't like the qt/using qt headers being a criteria for a packageset, I guess
[15:50] <sil2100> Mirv wants to try for core-dev, but said he'll do it after I become a core-dev first
[15:50] <sil2100> Soooo... just saying.. you know...
[15:50] <sil2100> ;)
[15:50] <cyphermox> vote or not, and then move on?
[15:50] <xnox> sil2100, i shall not be peer pressured.
[15:51]  * Laney watches money slide under the table
[15:51] <sil2100> I'm not implying anything! My intentions are as clear as mountain water
[15:51]  * sil2100 goes quiet now
[15:52] <Laney> I'm happy to vote this
[15:52] <stgraber> cyphermox: the static go stuff would never be in that set because if statically built (instead of using cgo), you won't need rebuild/changing when private symbols change in the archive, since it bundles its own copy
[15:52] <stgraber> #vote Create a new ubuntu-qt-packages packageset with description "Qt packages used by Ubuntu not originating from the upstream Qt project but using Qt private headers"
[15:52] <meetingology> Please vote on: Create a new ubuntu-qt-packages packageset with description "Qt packages used by Ubuntu not originating from the upstream Qt project but using Qt private headers"
[15:52] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[15:52] <cyphermox> stgraber: I'm saying by this that it feels to specific
[15:52] <stgraber> +1
[15:52] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[15:52] <Laney> I'd be happy to amend this by mail
[15:52] <Laney> it's not the best
[15:52] <Laney> +1
[15:52] <meetingology> +1 received from Laney
[15:52] <cyphermox> +0. seems to specific to me, but I won't block if everyone agrees already.
[15:52] <meetingology> +0. seems to specific to me, but I won't block if everyone agrees already. received from cyphermox
[15:52] <stgraber> cyphermox: I like too specific, it's easier to make it less specific than more specific later :)
[15:53] <xnox> +1
[15:53] <meetingology> +1 received from xnox
[15:53] <cyphermox> I'd rather fewer random packagesets for random things
[15:53] <stgraber> #endvote
[15:53] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Create a new ubuntu-qt-packages packageset with description "Qt packages used by Ubuntu not originating from the upstream Qt project but using Qt private headers"
[15:53] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[15:53] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:53] <cyphermox> ^ motion carried
[15:53] <Laney> false
[15:53] <stgraber> yeah, that's wrong
[15:53] <Laney> deferred to email
[15:53] <xnox> true.
[15:53] <cyphermox> no, consider it fine for me tbh
[15:53] <Laney> or next meeting
[15:53] <Laney> then you need to vote +1 :P
[15:54] <cyphermox> did you not read what was next to +0? ;)
[15:54] <xnox> we have quorum, and we only need to have possitive outcome.
[15:54] <cyphermox> let's move on
[15:54] <Laney> ffs
[15:54] <stgraber> we need quorum and 4 +1s to have a motion pass, this wasn't the case here
[15:55] <stgraber> so if cyphermox feels like +1ing instead, we can re-vote, otherwise this is moving to ML to get the remaining votes
[15:55] <cyphermox> arf
[15:55] <cyphermox> sure, let's quickly revote
[15:55] <stgraber> #vote Create a new ubuntu-qt-packages packageset with description "Qt packages used by Ubuntu not originating from the upstream Qt project but using Qt private headers"
[15:55] <meetingology> Please vote on: Create a new ubuntu-qt-packages packageset with description "Qt packages used by Ubuntu not originating from the upstream Qt project but using Qt private headers"
[15:55] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[15:55] <stgraber> +1
[15:55] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[15:55] <cyphermox> +1
[15:55] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[15:55] <xnox> +1
[15:55] <meetingology> +1 received from xnox
[15:55] <Laney> +1
[15:55] <meetingology> +1 received from Laney
[15:56] <Laney> haha
[15:56] <stgraber> #endvote
[15:56] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Create a new ubuntu-qt-packages packageset with description "Qt packages used by Ubuntu not originating from the upstream Qt project but using Qt private headers"
[15:56] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:56] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:56] <Laney> thanks!
[15:56] <stgraber> there we go :)
[15:56] <cyphermox> thar.
[15:56] <stgraber> #action stgraber to implement changes listed in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-October/000856.html
[15:56] <meetingology> ACTION: stgraber to implement changes listed in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-October/000856.html
[15:56] <stgraber> #topic Ubuntu Contributing Developer Applications
[15:56] <stgraber> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/chiluk
[15:56] <stgraber> chiluk: still around?
[15:57] <chiluk> yes..
[15:57] <stgraber> can you give us a quick intro on who you are and what you've been doing?
[15:57] <cyphermox> I know chiluk, he definitely did not bribe me to +1.
[15:57] <chiluk> hah.
[15:57] <xnox> I know chiluk, he definitely did not bribe me to +1.
[15:57] <chiluk> Alright, well I work for Canonical on sustaining old releases.
[15:58] <chiluk> mostly for paying customers, but I do my best to get out on public launchpad as often as I can.
[15:58] <chiluk> as such my work is very scatter-brained and unfocussed.
[15:58] <chiluk> I'm not requesting PPU for that reason.
[15:58] <stgraber> sounds like everyone's ready to vote already so let's do it then :)
[15:59] <chiluk> there are very few packages that I will ever touch twice.
[15:59] <chiluk> hah.
[15:59] <stgraber> #startvote UCD for chiluk
[15:59] <chiluk> alright guys.
[15:59] <stgraber> #vote UCD for chiluk
[15:59] <meetingology> Please vote on: UCD for chiluk
[15:59] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[15:59] <stgraber> +1
[15:59] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[15:59] <cyphermox> +1
[15:59] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[15:59] <Laney> +!
[15:59] <Laney> 1!!
[15:59] <Laney> +1
[15:59] <meetingology> +1 received from Laney
[15:59] <xnox> +1
[15:59] <meetingology> +1 received from xnox
[15:59] <Laney> PLUS BANG
[15:59] <chiluk> someone should -1 for infinity
[15:59] <stgraber> #endvote
[15:59] <meetingology> Voting ended on: UCD for chiluk
[15:59] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:59] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:59] <sil2100> Man, I should have brought screwdrivers with me to the sprint too...
[15:59] <chiluk> sil2100: why when, I live in town.
[16:00] <cyphermox> chiluk: my only request would be for you to fix https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/coreutils/8.21-1ubuntu5.2
[16:00] <stgraber> oh, is that how you bribed cyphermox? :)
[16:00] <chiluk> cyphermox, yeah I'm on that.
[16:00] <chiluk> cyphermox, the test never ran before my upload.
[16:00] <cyphermox> stgraber: nah, there was no alcohol, just tools.
[16:00] <chiluk> now it's being run and failing
[16:00] <xnox> chiluk, fyi have you seen https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/coreutils/8.21-1ubuntu5.2 ? =)
[16:00] <chiluk> although it only fails ont eh buildds.
[16:01] <chiluk> yeah I've been looking into it.
[16:01] <xnox> rightyoh.
[16:01] <chiluk> the test that fails was never getting run before because df couldn't read the mount table, and would thus skip the test.
[16:01] <stgraber> #topic Ubuntu Core Developer application for Łukasz Zemczak
[16:01] <chiluk> so it works better.
[16:01] <xnox> chiluk, "Kernel version: Linux lgw01-46 3.19.0-33-generic #38~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Nov 6 18:17:28 UTC 2015 x86_64" =)
[16:01] <stgraber> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaszZemczak/CoreDeveloperApplication
[16:01] <sil2100> o/
[16:01] <stgraber> good, you're still around :)
[16:02]  * chiluk goes to figure out how to get ubuntu business cards for conferences.
[16:02] <stgraber> sil2100: can you introduce yourself, what you're working on and why you'd like to become a core developer?
[16:02] <sil2100> Sure!
[16:03] <sil2100> I'm Łukasz, working for Canonical for quite a while, currently the semi release-manager for Ubuntu Touch, one of the co-maintainers of the infameous CI Train and current co-maintainer of system-image
[16:03] <sil2100> I'm also a MOTU since over a year
[16:04] <sil2100> Been doing two +1 maintenance sessions, with the most recent one a bit more fruitful than the first
[16:05] <sil2100> I have worked a bit more on main packages recently and decided to re-apply - becoming a core-dev would make my development work much easier, not only from the CI Train side, but also during my patch-pilot and +1 maintenance sessions
[16:06] <sil2100> I'm also the maintainer of the ubuntu-touch seeds and even though the package itself is in universe, the owner of the branches is ubuntu-core-dev, so well ;) I would like to stop bothering people all the time
[16:07] <sil2100> And I think that's basically it, becoming a core-dev is my long-standing goal
[16:08] <Laney> so this isn't your first application
[16:08] <Laney> what's changed since last time? :)
[16:08] <sil2100> No, last time I applied I basically didn't have too much main experience as during all my piloting sessions and archive work I was concentrating on universe, the place where I had power
[16:08] <Mirv> (thanks for the Qt PPU additions. with those I'd manage through Qt 5.5 before applying for core-dev)
[16:09] <sil2100> So since that time I started actually working on main packages as advised by xnox, helping out in the wily FTBFS from the test-rebuilds right before release
[16:09]  * xnox notices abi transitions work from sil as well
[16:09] <sil2100> Then I wanted to help out and resolve the ocaml transition, but sadly most of the packages there were in universe
[16:10] <sil2100> And just now noticed that I have some leftovers in NBS from the transition, ouch! But resolving those now inbetween things
[16:10] <xnox> sil2100, which tools did you use to assist you with ocaml transition?
[16:11] <sil2100> xnox: reverse-depends, a xenial-proposed chroot, I used chdist for checking installability on different platforms (at first I used the porterboxes, but chdist was faster)
[16:11] <xnox> sil2100, any websites at all? e.g. launchpad...?
[16:11] <sil2100> I created a few scripts that were helping me in the no-change rebuilds, checking for installability problems first and then outputting dependencies etc.
[16:12] <sil2100> xnox: used launchpad too, but my scripts were fetching the most required information using LP API
[16:12] <sil2100> Like which archs FTBFS, what binaries are provided by the packages
[16:13] <sil2100> At first I was checking those manually through launchpad, but seeing ~100 packages in the transition, I got tired and wrote some stupid-helpers
[16:13] <xnox> sil2100, have you used transition tracker at all?
[16:13] <sil2100> Of course
[16:14] <xnox> cool.
[16:14] <sil2100> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/ocaml.html
[16:14] <sil2100> That was the main page I was using for the transition
[16:14] <sil2100> (e.g. which packages needed my attention)
[16:17] <sil2100> I see that something causes now ocaml to have installability issues, will look at that later
[16:17] <Laney> any more?
[16:19] <stgraber> #vote Ubuntu Core Developer membership for sil2100
[16:19] <meetingology> Please vote on: Ubuntu Core Developer membership for sil2100
[16:19] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[16:21] <xnox> +1
[16:21] <meetingology> +1 received from xnox
[16:21] <cyphermox> +1
[16:21] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[16:21] <Laney> +1
[16:21] <meetingology> +1 received from Laney
[16:21] <stgraber> +1
[16:21] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[16:21] <stgraber> #endvote
[16:21] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Ubuntu Core Developer membership for sil2100
[16:21] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[16:21] <meetingology> Motion carried
[16:21] <sil2100> \o/ Thank you!
[16:22] <Na3iL> congrats sil2100 :)
[16:22] <Mirv> congrats sil2100!
[16:22] <cyphermox> thanks sil2100
[16:23] <cyphermox> I hope that doesn't mean I hear less from you for citrain silo reviews ;)
[16:23] <sil2100> hah ;)
[16:24] <sil2100> Interesting, all ocaml binaries look installable here, maybe I'll have to dig a bit deeper
[16:24]  * xnox /o\ what have we done. anway, i shall have sil2100 on speed dial for any ci train issues =)
[16:24] <sil2100> But I noticed that the ben is not to be trusted in 100%
[16:25] <stgraber> #topic Select a chair for the next meeting (following alphabetical order of first names)
[16:25] <sil2100> No worries! I'll get bad karma if I publish too many bad packages through the train
[16:25] <stgraber> that will be micahg, I'll move my name last in the list
[16:25]  * sil2100 only likes good karma
[16:25] <stgraber> #topic AOB
[16:25] <stgraber> anything?
[16:26] <cyphermox> I don't know
[16:26] <stgraber> I've already done the packageset changes we agreed on, added chiluk to UCD and sil2100 to core-dev, so we should be good action-wise.
[16:26] <sil2100> stgraber: thanks!
[16:26] <cyphermox> I responded to Timo by email to say the pkgset was done
[16:26] <stgraber> thanks!
[16:27] <chiluk> thanks stgraber, cyphermox, Laney, xnox
[16:27] <cyphermox> chiluk: looking forward to sponsoring requests from you to eventually +1 a core-dev application
[16:28] <chiluk> that's the goal.
[16:28] <stgraber> agenda updated too
[16:29] <Laney> thanks
[16:29] <stgraber> and replied to the applications saying they've been approved and Cced the news-team
[16:29] <stgraber> so I think we're all done
[16:29] <stgraber> #endmeeting
[16:29] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Nov 23 16:29:50 2015 UTC.
[16:29] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-11-23-15.20.moin.txt
[16:32] <tyhicks> hello
[16:32] <jjohansen> \o
[16:32] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
[16:32] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Nov 23 16:32:47 2015 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:32] <tyhicks> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:32] <tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:32] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:33] <tyhicks> Andrew Starr-Bochicchio (asomething) provided debdiffs for trusty-wily for libpng (LP: #1516592)
[16:33] <tyhicks> Bas Couwenberg (sebastic) provided debdiffs for trusty-vivid for freexl (LP: #1516257)
[16:33] <tyhicks> Thank you for your assistance in keeping Ubuntu users secure! :)
[16:33] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:33] <tyhicks> mdeslaur: you're up
[16:34] <mdeslaur> I'm on bug triage this week
[16:35] <mdeslaur> I'm testing some icedtea-web updates, and I have an embargoed update to test
[16:35] <mdeslaur> after that, I'll be going down the list, as usual
[16:35] <mdeslaur> that's it
[16:35] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[16:35] <sbeattie> I'm on cve triage this week
[16:36] <sbeattie> I'm currently digging in to a couple of build failures I hit after building the vast majority of main with gcc-pie
[16:36] <sbeattie> I also have openjdk-7 packages to test
[16:36] <sbeattie> and that will probably consume my short week this week (US thanksgiving)
[16:37] <sbeattie> tyhicks: you're up
[16:37] <tyhicks> I need to restart the mapplauncherd review (preempted last week by another code review)
[16:37] <tyhicks> I want to start working on AppArmor policy loads inside of a user namespace
[16:38] <tyhicks> and I need to do some snappy sprint prep
[16:38] <tyhicks> short week for me (US holiday + I'm off Wed)
[16:38] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:38] <jjohansen> its a short week for me too due to the thanksgiving holiday, I need to finish up with bug 1446906, and send out a couple more patches for the apparmor kernel SRU for review, and the get back to working on stacking
[16:39] <jjohansen> thats it for /me sarnold you're up
[16:40] <sarnold> I'm on community this week; short week, thanksgiving; I'm finishing the libmicrohttp* MIR, starting DPDK, and reviewing some of the apparmor kernel patches that I assume are headed my way
[16:40] <sarnold> that's it for me, chrisccoulson?
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> I've got a chromium update to sponsor this week, I'm also still waiting for a thunderbird release
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> I shall be preparing an Oxide release for next week as well
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> In addition to that, I've got quite a lot of reviews to get through. I've just done one
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> I'm currently trying to get the camera working in the browser - it's just crashing atm, but I hope to have that done this week
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> Then I plan to work on what we discussed at the sprint for bug 1447345
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> I think that's it
[16:42] <tyhicks> busy week :)
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> (no short week for me)
[16:43] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:43] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:43] <tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:43] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/rope.html
[16:43] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/tntnet.html
[16:43] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ldns.html
[16:43] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libfpdi-php.html
[16:43] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/snack.html
[16:43] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:44] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:46] <tyhicks> mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson: Thanks!
[16:46] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[16:46] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Nov 23 16:46:18 2015 UTC.
[16:46] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-11-23-16.32.moin.txt
[16:46] <sbeattie> tyhicks: thanks!
[16:46] <sarnold> thanks tyhicks!
[16:46] <mdeslaur> thanks tyhicks
[16:46] <jjohansen> thanks tyhicks