daniel_i need some help02:17
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WoomlaI'm trying to start a konsole from another konsole, execute some commands and keep the konsole open. I've tried "konsole --hold --separate -e echo hi". This opens a separate konsole window but it is not interactive.09:07
ikoniaWoomla: because it's executed it's command, so the shell ends09:08
Woomlaikonia: Ok. How can I keep the shell running?09:10
ikoniahave to look at the options, dont know what consoles arguments are off the top of my head09:11
valoriewill & at the end do it?09:11
Kwaadpepperyou can type & at the end of command09:11
valorieI mean, `&`09:12
ikoniathe & will tell it to continue running in the background09:12
ikoniathats not the right thing to do09:12
Kwaadpepperbut if you close your host console the child will close too09:12
ikoniaI guess it woudld technically work....09:12
ikoniabut I don't think backgrounding the job is the right approach09:13
Kwaadpepperthe basic of fork processes09:13
WoomlaI've tried `konsole& --hold --nofork --separate -e echo hi` but that doesn't execute `echo`09:20
ikoniakonsole & does not seem a good thing to do09:28
hateballWoomla: konsole --separate --hold -e echo hi09:35
hateballworks as expected here at any rate09:35
hateballand you can disown it with & at the very end if need be09:36
jubo2I'm getting really bummed out with this faulty HW10:58
jubo2I'm viewing the temperatures with Psensor so it is that or the SW hates me.. a lot..10:59
jubo2and that just doesn't make sense because I'm on the new Kubuntu15.10 and I don't pirate software11:00
Woomlahateball: That leaves a konsole saying 'hi'. But you cannot execute any commands in it.11:00
jubo2Today I take the non-faulty RAM from the carcass of another computer of same maker and model11:01
jubo2If the problem goes away or not it'll help rule out faulty RAM coz the previous machine never did this11:01
jubo2I'm starting to doubt if I should go for the 3rd gen i5 used and cleaned Lenovo or some other solution11:02
jubo2I gonna be splashing on 2x8GB RAM so I can throw _all_ OS enough11:02
jubo2plus I hear it helps to get gameable framerates at mid-settings in Eli Ted Angerous11:03
jubo2I saw an ad for a new laptop for the same money but this one has 5th gen i5 and a real GPU with 2GB RAM11:05
jubo2horrible 15.6"er11:05
jubo2and prlly unusable due to too wide keyboard11:06
jubo2I like 268-270mm wide11:06
hateballWoomla: ah, you need to keep running commands in it11:11
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hateballhello mario___, do you have a question?11:36
jubo2Took me 10 minutes to swap the memories from machine-to-machine12:13
jubo2Now gonna run stress on it12:13
nullkuhlI am using an nvidia driver (its a must for me) and i get Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". on running glxgears, any idea ?12:13
jubo2'stress -c 10 -m 5 -i 5 -d 10 -t 600'12:15
lordievadernullkuhl: Is the nvidia driver loaded?12:16
nullkuhllordievader: yes , i selected it with prime-select nvidia and its loaded12:16
lordievaderHmm, since this is a typical error when it ain't loaded.12:17
lordievaderYou mention prime, are both drivers loaded?12:17
nullkuhllordievader:  am not sure about that.. i remove the mesa link from alternatives as it never allowed nvidia driver to be loaded12:17
nullkuhllordievader: i am also on kdm as when i switch to lightdm i end up with a black screen, not sure if its related though :(12:18
lordievaderIt could very well have the same cause, yes.12:18
nullkuhllordievader: hmm.. do you need me to paste some logs ?12:19
Woomlahateball: yes I do. So the question is how to keep the console open running commands in it.12:19
lordievadernullkuhl: Well if you could pastebin the output of 'lspci -k|grep -A 3 VGA' that might help.12:20
lordievaderMust say I do not have a lot of time.12:20
nullkuhllordievader: will try to be fast12:21
nullkuhllordievader: http://pastebin.com/i9qTiP1012:21
lordievaderHmm, yeah that looks allright...12:22
lordievaderNot really sure what the problem might be.12:23
nullkuhlxorg log then or any query to do ?12:23
lordievaderErr, I'm sorry I don't really have time to look at that right now. But I'm sure someone else can help you out. Else try #ubuntu.12:24
nullkuhllordievader: thx12:24
jubo2nope. wasn't a RAM issue shutdown occours again12:25
jubo2I should look at the logs but I'm not very good at determining which log I should see for problem X12:25
hateballjubo2: If you're having the machine shutdown while running stress... sounds to me like CPU overheat prevention in bios12:26
jubo2in BIOS you say..12:27
hateballjubo2: Well does the machine die during normal operation or just during stress?12:27
hateballI see12:27
jubo2I'm looking at Psensor12:28
jubo2fine range now12:28
hateballThat's pretty warm for a CPU, but it shouldnt shut down12:28
hateballAre fans spinning OK?12:28
jubo24000RPM says the Psensor. I can feel a hot airflow but it is not very strong12:29
jubo2hateball: I want a 100% functional machine12:29
jubo2what should I buy12:29
hateballWell, if sensors are wrong (which they might be) it might be overheating I guess12:30
hateballjubo2: Is it an old machine?12:30
jubo2and do want 3-display capable one12:30
jubo2hateball: yes 2011 make12:30
jubo2Gaming laptops (new ones cost 1500-3000€)12:30
jubo2Mi budget is 500€12:31
hateballjubo2: Depending on how it has been used it is possible the fan exhaust is clogged up with dust. what model is it?12:31
jubo2Lenovo ThinkPad X201 with 1st gen i512:31
jubo2I can get used 3rd gen or new 5th gen12:31
jubo2I'd really like to not buy HP12:32
jubo2Their printers are infamous for sucking up more then one paper at a time12:32
jubo2I mean how hard can it be.. Other mfgrs do it12:32
jubo2plus all the 15.6" I've tried have too wide keyboard for my finger memory12:33
jubo2I got's to have a 268-270mm wide keyboard12:33
hateballWe had a model here at work that used to clog up so we had to disassemble and blow out the dust12:34
hateballIt doesnt take a lot in a laptop, since they are so cramped12:34
hateballWhich is why they will work fine if cooled down and then started and idling12:34
jubo2Buying a used Lenovo 410T ~ 240€ is one option12:34
jubo2it's a 14" economy business line12:34
hateballWell, we only use HP here at work. The nice thing about them is they are very Linux-friendly12:35
hateballI don't think I've come across a model that didnt have everything working ootb12:35
jubo2hateball: I gots to try that cleaning thing if the bottom comes off nicely12:36
hateballjubo2: google gives http://www.myfixguide.com/manual/lenovo-thinkpad-x201-disassembly-clean-cooling-fan-remove-keyboard/12:38
Lex_Hello A few Days ago i installed Kubuntu as the main System on my Terra-Laptop. Everything works fine ecept for my Mausecoursor I think the driver isnt working, it says: synaptics not found. I tried to install synaptics in the terminal but the mousecouror is still not working correctly. It jumps the whole time on my screen. Do you know how i can fix this, i cant find any information in the internet. Thank you and greetings from Germany12:59
jubo2hateball: Couldn't figure how to remove the KBRD13:05
jubo2from that myfixguide13:05
jubo2but I vacuum cleanered the fan exhaust13:05
jubo2time to run stress13:06
BluesKajHI folks13:07
SmurphyMorning ... :)13:07
jubo2The temperature reading has wide variance13:08
hateballjubo2: oh well. usually it is a must to disassemble it to remove dust stuck on fan blades etc, and between the fins of the heatsink13:11
hateballit tends to buildup like a wall of dust on the inside of the exhaust13:11
SmurphyThat's why I have a Dyson vacuum cleaner... Sucks dust out like a pro :D *hrhrhr*13:12
hateballOnce you get that buildup on the inside it wont be able to get sucked out through the heatsink fins13:18
hateballAlso it is advised against using vacuums for the static discharge. Altho I do it myself :p13:18
BluesKajI use a can of air plus the vacuum cleaner , it really gets the dust out, but the statically coated buildup has to be cleaned with q-tips dipped in isopropyl to get the heatsink fins really clean13:19
Smurphyhateball: Well - problem is that yoiu need to get the dust off. Power-Air-Spray won't help. I usually dismantle the fans completely and clean them. Then I also remove the heat-sinks, clean everything and apply some new heat-past etc.13:19
Lex_Hello A few Days ago i installed Kubuntu as the main System on my Terra-Laptop. Everything works fine ecept for my Mausecoursor I think the driver isnt working, it says: synaptics not found. I tried to install synaptics in the terminal but the mousecouror is still not working correctly. It jumps the whole time on my screen. Do you know how i can fix this, i cant find any information in the internet. Thank you and greetings from Germany13:22
BluesKajLex_, which kubuntu and have you updated and upgraded since installing?13:26
Lex_newest version and yeah i updated13:31
BluesKajand upgrade?13:32
Lex_is there a difference?13:32
BluesKajabsolutely, update just finds the packages that need upgrading or installing , upgrade installs them13:33
Lex_how do i do it?13:33
BluesKajsudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade13:33
Lex_okay tnx ill try that13:33
BluesKajin the terminal13:33
hateballLex_: Does the device show up at all if you run "cat /proc/bus/input/devices" ?13:34
Smurphy /usr/bin/xinput --list13:35
Smurphyworks better ...13:35
Lex_i can use the touchpad but the courur junps around while im doing it13:36
hateballSmurphy: well it gives a prettier list, but not any specifics to google for :) Anyhow it appears it is detected13:38
Lex_what does this synaptics mean?13:39
hateballLex_: are you able to configure it using the touchpad config gui?13:39
BluesKajLex_, isn't there a sensitivity settings option in synaptics?13:40
hateballThere should be a whole bunch of options to tweak, like palm detection etc13:40
Lex_i dont know what synaptics is its says if i open device management13:40
hateballLex_: press alt+space to open krunner, search for "touchpad"13:40
hateballThat should get you the configuration gui13:40
Lex_ok wait its still upgrading13:41
Lex_if i open touchpad settings there is a red bar with: synaptics backend not found13:45
hateballhmmm, that might be https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344958 I guess13:47
ubottuKDE bug 344958 in kcm "No touchpad found" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]13:47
hateballI am on 14.04 on this machine13:47
Lex_yeah im on this site too in this monent .D13:49
Lex_i dont understand what these guys are doing there :D13:51
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Lex_Hello A few Days ago i installed Kubuntu as the main System on my Terra-Laptop. Everything works fine ecept for my Mausecoursor I think the driver isnt working, it says: synaptics not found. I tried to install synaptics in the terminal but the mousecouror is still not working correctly. It jumps the whole time on my screen. Do you know how i can fix this, i cant find any information in the internet. Thank you and greetings from Germany13:55
glxhello, I've got a problem after upgrading kubuntu (64) to 15.10. kinit, plasma and krunner crashes on startup, a message says "Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0" " I tried fglrx, fglrx-updates and OS driver. I was looking for solution for couple of hours. can anyone help please?13:59
soeetry to backup your .kde and .config folders and remove them14:03
glxok, thx14:03
glxbut the problem is that I treid starting twm and it neither works14:04
glxand plasma also doesn't start on newly created user account, so probably it has nothing to do with configuratiopn14:06
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jubo2is it normal for temperature sensor readings to flux 15-20C16:28
jubo2or is it lying?16:28
rom1504maybe if your computer is in a fridge16:30
jubo2I need fresh laptop16:30
jubo2also need fresh desktop to play Eli Ted Angerous16:30
jubo2can barely afford either one of these needs16:31
rom1504get a job16:32
jubo2rom1504: difficult. capitalist likes to make the rules for the bottom of the pyramid unreasonable and the compensations for the top of the pyramid unreasonable16:39
jubo2I go now search for studio technician education opportunities16:40
MichaelP15.10 installer don't like partitions with os on it... Goes from select language to prepare goog... but then click next.. and it hangs.... cancle it... do mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda1 mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda2... then start again and it does like it is supose to16:40
jubo2I'm in Finlan so all education from creche, day-care, pre-school, school, high-school, and multiple doctorates are free of charge16:40
jubo2I don't care. I got Ph.D. in the art of the obscure things16:41
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MichaelPWhat does ph.D have to do with anything ?16:44
jubo2MichaelP: sounds like you have weird bug16:49
jubo2not that I'd know about computers16:49
jubo2Yesterday I opened a G3 128MB 20GB mac from the wrong direction16:50
MichaelPHow you open a computer from the wrong direction ? they only open one way16:53
geniiMaybe things fell out16:54
jubo2Maybe I just buy rad desktop gaming rig and run Konversation in virtual machine in VirtualBox16:55
jubo2I would like a nice gaming desktop ( not as energy restricted and not as heat restricted ) and a laptop but cannot afford both16:56
MichaelPGuess next give it to someone that knows computer..... Tech work.. for people that know what they doing16:56
MichaelPtime reboot into installed system16:58
jubo2MichaelP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktwlN_ocL-o - Franz Ferdinand - Michael (2004)16:58
* jubo2 hits the proper volume-button16:58
jubo2Michael is an ancient Wikipedia troll and sock16:59
jubo2Really hated by the sysop(presseur)ators16:59
jubo2maybe mild hate16:59
jubo2not the physically real hate maybe, just the watered down of noun thanks to interwebz17:00
jubo2Good news is that in a little while the current Internet will be known as "Legacy Internet"17:00
jubo2[Wednesday 04 June 2014] [23:08:08] <jubo2>     "We could patch in the Legacy Internet onto this new network but really, why bother?" ~ http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Some_guy in 201817:01
jubo2Yeah.. Teh Scots are going to save the world from data protection, retention and transmission done badly17:02
MichaelPWikipedia.....Michael /ˈmaɪkəl/ is a male given name that comes from the Hebrew: מִיכָאֵל / מיכאל‎ (Mīkhāʼēl, pronounced [miχaˈʔel]), derived from the question מי כאל mī kāʼēl, meaning "Who is like God?"[1]17:03
jubo2"Maikkel.. Are you there?" *presses turbo-boost*17:03
jubo2Kitt does not want toxic waste sludge dump17:05
MichaelPGuess 15.10 plasma 5.4.2 has same bug as debian testing... 50 secounds before desktop does anything17:12
jubo2Got fed up with that machine shutting down17:14
jubo2Gonna move irc here to the 268mm keyboarded netbook17:14
jubo2just about any minute now17:15
MichaelPSounds like something wrong with it.. of it shuting down17:15
jubo2'tar czvf irc-logs-2015-11-24.tar.gz ~/logs/'17:15
nullkuhlin plasma 5 login screen, clock and date are written in a different language, how can i switch them to english ? i have all regional settings set to english us17:15
jubo2nullkuhl: one way to get English language error reports from CLI programs at least is to set the environment variable for locale to C17:16
jubo2they really help17:16
jubo2I am from Finlan17:16
jubo2so Finnish error reports aren't easy with English language support like Freenode irc17:17
nullkuhljubo2: am not sure if i get you, can you elaborate more17:17
jubo2nullkuhl: Suppose you have Finnish or Swedish or French GNU/Linukka17:17
jubo2then you get error17:17
jubo2set the locale to "C" in the env and all programs should print in US English17:18
jubo2this way the user does not need to attempt and fail and translating it17:18
nullkuhlbut am not talking about errors here, its login screen clock17:19
jubo2nullkuhl: but is that a biggie17:19
jubo2computers are and have been full of glitches17:19
nullkuhlyes, because its in arabic and i dont understand arabic numerals17:19
jubo2sometimes restarting layer by layer fixes the problem even if it isn't a credible proof how the problem got sorted17:20
jubo2nullkuhl: noh noh.. Latin uses arabic numerals17:20
nullkuhlits hindi numerals17:20
jubo2Yiddish has those letter/numbers / number/letters tsydem17:20
nullkuhljubo2: and now u are just trolling XD17:20
MichaelPnullkuhl: maybe this will help...  https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/20217:21
jubo2jubo-jubo in the controlls. kick back and enjoy refreshments.17:21
jubo2nullkuhl: I dunno Hindi letters but that Mother Amma is nice17:21
jubo2come all the way to freezing North to hug people and give them gifts17:22
MichaelPHe thinks he smart because he have PHD in obscure things17:23
nullkuhlMichaelP: locale -a : ar_EG.utf817:23
nullkuhlthen comes en us,, so how can i remove the ar_EG from locale17:24
nullkuhldid it, will reboot and see17:26
MichaelPnullkuhl: where is locale in kubuntu ? arch in etc/locale.conf17:27
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hazamonzohey folks. Anyone know if i can specify a .pem with a fish:// connection in dolphin?19:56
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* tsimonq2 is gone: test22:26
clivejoanyone know of a decent temperature plasmoid?23:44
valorietemp of computer, or temp as in weather?23:46
valoriethat said, I dunno for either23:46
clivejoCPU, GPU, HDD etc23:57
clivejoah found one23:58

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