[02:16] <daniel_> help
[02:17] <daniel_> hi
[02:17] <daniel_> i need some help
[03:58] <keithzg> !help
[03:58] <keithzg> (I know, I know, I'm hours late on this :P)
[09:07] <Woomla> I'm trying to start a konsole from another konsole, execute some commands and keep the konsole open. I've tried "konsole --hold --separate -e echo hi". This opens a separate konsole window but it is not interactive.
[09:08] <ikonia> Woomla: because it's executed it's command, so the shell ends
[09:10] <Woomla> ikonia: Ok. How can I keep the shell running?
[09:11] <ikonia> have to look at the options, dont know what consoles arguments are off the top of my head
[09:11] <valorie> will & at the end do it?
[09:11] <Kwaadpepper> you can type & at the end of command
[09:12] <valorie> I mean, `&`
[09:12] <Kwaadpepper> konsole&
[09:12] <ikonia> the & will tell it to continue running in the background
[09:12] <ikonia> thats not the right thing to do
[09:12] <valorie> ok
[09:12] <Kwaadpepper> but if you close your host console the child will close too
[09:12] <ikonia> I guess it woudld technically work....
[09:13] <ikonia> but I don't think backgrounding the job is the right approach
[09:13] <Kwaadpepper> the basic of fork processes
[09:20] <Woomla> I've tried `konsole& --hold --nofork --separate -e echo hi` but that doesn't execute `echo`
[09:28] <ikonia> konsole & does not seem a good thing to do
[09:35] <hateball> Woomla: konsole --separate --hold -e echo hi
[09:35] <hateball> works as expected here at any rate
[09:36] <hateball> and you can disown it with & at the very end if need be
[10:58] <jubo2> I'm getting really bummed out with this faulty HW
[10:59] <jubo2> I'm viewing the temperatures with Psensor so it is that or the SW hates me.. a lot..
[11:00] <jubo2> and that just doesn't make sense because I'm on the new Kubuntu15.10 and I don't pirate software
[11:00] <Woomla> hateball: That leaves a konsole saying 'hi'. But you cannot execute any commands in it.
[11:01] <jubo2> Today I take the non-faulty RAM from the carcass of another computer of same maker and model
[11:01] <jubo2> If the problem goes away or not it'll help rule out faulty RAM coz the previous machine never did this
[11:02] <jubo2> I'm starting to doubt if I should go for the 3rd gen i5 used and cleaned Lenovo or some other solution
[11:02] <jubo2> I gonna be splashing on 2x8GB RAM so I can throw _all_ OS enough
[11:03] <jubo2> plus I hear it helps to get gameable framerates at mid-settings in Eli Ted Angerous
[11:05] <jubo2> I saw an ad for a new laptop for the same money but this one has 5th gen i5 and a real GPU with 2GB RAM
[11:05] <jubo2> horrible 15.6"er
[11:06] <jubo2> and prlly unusable due to too wide keyboard
[11:06] <jubo2> I like 268-270mm wide
[11:11] <hateball> Woomla: ah, you need to keep running commands in it
[11:30] <mario___> ciao
[11:36] <hateball> hello mario___, do you have a question?
[12:13] <jubo2> Took me 10 minutes to swap the memories from machine-to-machine
[12:13] <jubo2> Now gonna run stress on it
[12:13] <nullkuhl> I am using an nvidia driver (its a must for me) and i get Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". on running glxgears, any idea ?
[12:15] <jubo2> 'stress -c 10 -m 5 -i 5 -d 10 -t 600'
[12:16] <lordievader> nullkuhl: Is the nvidia driver loaded?
[12:16] <nullkuhl> lordievader: yes , i selected it with prime-select nvidia and its loaded
[12:17] <lordievader> Hmm, since this is a typical error when it ain't loaded.
[12:17] <lordievader> You mention prime, are both drivers loaded?
[12:17] <nullkuhl> lordievader:  am not sure about that.. i remove the mesa link from alternatives as it never allowed nvidia driver to be loaded
[12:18] <nullkuhl> lordievader: i am also on kdm as when i switch to lightdm i end up with a black screen, not sure if its related though :(
[12:18] <lordievader> It could very well have the same cause, yes.
[12:19] <nullkuhl> lordievader: hmm.. do you need me to paste some logs ?
[12:19] <Woomla> hateball: yes I do. So the question is how to keep the console open running commands in it.
[12:20] <lordievader> nullkuhl: Well if you could pastebin the output of 'lspci -k|grep -A 3 VGA' that might help.
[12:20] <lordievader> Must say I do not have a lot of time.
[12:21] <nullkuhl> lordievader: will try to be fast
[12:21] <nullkuhl> lordievader: http://pastebin.com/i9qTiP10
[12:22] <lordievader> Hmm, yeah that looks allright...
[12:23] <lordievader> Not really sure what the problem might be.
[12:23] <nullkuhl> xorg log then or any query to do ?
[12:24] <lordievader> Err, I'm sorry I don't really have time to look at that right now. But I'm sure someone else can help you out. Else try #ubuntu.
[12:24] <nullkuhl> lordievader: thx
[12:25] <jubo2> nope. wasn't a RAM issue shutdown occours again
[12:25] <jubo2> I should look at the logs but I'm not very good at determining which log I should see for problem X
[12:26] <hateball> jubo2: If you're having the machine shutdown while running stress... sounds to me like CPU overheat prevention in bios
[12:27] <jubo2> in BIOS you say..
[12:27] <hateball> jubo2: Well does the machine die during normal operation or just during stress?
[12:27] <jubo2> both
[12:27] <hateball> I see
[12:28] <jubo2> I'm looking at Psensor
[12:28] <jubo2> fine range now
[12:28] <jubo2> 70C
[12:28] <hateball> That's pretty warm for a CPU, but it shouldnt shut down
[12:28] <hateball> Are fans spinning OK?
[12:29] <jubo2> 4000RPM says the Psensor. I can feel a hot airflow but it is not very strong
[12:29] <jubo2> hateball: I want a 100% functional machine
[12:29] <jubo2> what should I buy
[12:30] <hateball> Well, if sensors are wrong (which they might be) it might be overheating I guess
[12:30] <hateball> jubo2: Is it an old machine?
[12:30] <jubo2> and do want 3-display capable one
[12:30] <jubo2> hateball: yes 2011 make
[12:30] <jubo2> Gaming laptops (new ones cost 1500-3000€)
[12:31] <jubo2> Mi budget is 500€
[12:31] <hateball> jubo2: Depending on how it has been used it is possible the fan exhaust is clogged up with dust. what model is it?
[12:31] <jubo2> Lenovo ThinkPad X201 with 1st gen i5
[12:31] <jubo2> I can get used 3rd gen or new 5th gen
[12:32] <jubo2> I'd really like to not buy HP
[12:32] <jubo2> Their printers are infamous for sucking up more then one paper at a time
[12:32] <jubo2> I mean how hard can it be.. Other mfgrs do it
[12:33] <jubo2> plus all the 15.6" I've tried have too wide keyboard for my finger memory
[12:33] <jubo2> I got's to have a 268-270mm wide keyboard
[12:34] <hateball> We had a model here at work that used to clog up so we had to disassemble and blow out the dust
[12:34] <hateball> It doesnt take a lot in a laptop, since they are so cramped
[12:34] <hateball> Which is why they will work fine if cooled down and then started and idling
[12:34] <jubo2> Buying a used Lenovo 410T ~ 240€ is one option
[12:34] <jubo2> it's a 14" economy business line
[12:35] <hateball> Well, we only use HP here at work. The nice thing about them is they are very Linux-friendly
[12:35] <hateball> I don't think I've come across a model that didnt have everything working ootb
[12:36] <jubo2> hateball: I gots to try that cleaning thing if the bottom comes off nicely
[12:38] <hateball> jubo2: google gives http://www.myfixguide.com/manual/lenovo-thinkpad-x201-disassembly-clean-cooling-fan-remove-keyboard/
[12:59] <Lex_> Hello A few Days ago i installed Kubuntu as the main System on my Terra-Laptop. Everything works fine ecept for my Mausecoursor I think the driver isnt working, it says: synaptics not found. I tried to install synaptics in the terminal but the mousecouror is still not working correctly. It jumps the whole time on my screen. Do you know how i can fix this, i cant find any information in the internet. Thank you and greetings from Germany
[13:05] <jubo2> hateball: Couldn't figure how to remove the KBRD
[13:05] <jubo2> from that myfixguide
[13:05] <jubo2> but I vacuum cleanered the fan exhaust
[13:06] <jubo2> time to run stress
[13:07] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[13:07] <Smurphy> Morning ... :)
[13:08] <jubo2> The temperature reading has wide variance
[13:09] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[13:11] <hateball> jubo2: oh well. usually it is a must to disassemble it to remove dust stuck on fan blades etc, and between the fins of the heatsink
[13:11] <hateball> it tends to buildup like a wall of dust on the inside of the exhaust
[13:12] <Smurphy> That's why I have a Dyson vacuum cleaner... Sucks dust out like a pro :D *hrhrhr*
[13:18] <hateball> Once you get that buildup on the inside it wont be able to get sucked out through the heatsink fins
[13:18] <hateball> Also it is advised against using vacuums for the static discharge. Altho I do it myself :p
[13:19] <BluesKaj> I use a can of air plus the vacuum cleaner , it really gets the dust out, but the statically coated buildup has to be cleaned with q-tips dipped in isopropyl to get the heatsink fins really clean
[13:19] <Smurphy> hateball: Well - problem is that yoiu need to get the dust off. Power-Air-Spray won't help. I usually dismantle the fans completely and clean them. Then I also remove the heat-sinks, clean everything and apply some new heat-past etc.
[13:22] <Lex_> Hello A few Days ago i installed Kubuntu as the main System on my Terra-Laptop. Everything works fine ecept for my Mausecoursor I think the driver isnt working, it says: synaptics not found. I tried to install synaptics in the terminal but the mousecouror is still not working correctly. It jumps the whole time on my screen. Do you know how i can fix this, i cant find any information in the internet. Thank you and greetings from Germany
[13:26] <BluesKaj> Lex_, which kubuntu and have you updated and upgraded since installing?
[13:31] <Lex_> newest version and yeah i updated
[13:32] <BluesKaj> and upgrade?
[13:32] <Lex_> is there a difference?
[13:33] <BluesKaj> absolutely, update just finds the packages that need upgrading or installing , upgrade installs them
[13:33] <Lex_> how do i do it?
[13:33] <BluesKaj> sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[13:33] <Lex_> okay tnx ill try that
[13:33] <BluesKaj> in the terminal
[13:34] <hateball> Lex_: Does the device show up at all if you run "cat /proc/bus/input/devices" ?
[13:35] <Smurphy>  /usr/bin/xinput --list
[13:35] <Smurphy> works better ...
[13:36] <Lex_> i can use the touchpad but the courur junps around while im doing it
[13:38] <hateball> Smurphy: well it gives a prettier list, but not any specifics to google for :) Anyhow it appears it is detected
[13:39] <Lex_> what does this synaptics mean?
[13:39] <hateball> Lex_: are you able to configure it using the touchpad config gui?
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Lex_, isn't there a sensitivity settings option in synaptics?
[13:40] <hateball> There should be a whole bunch of options to tweak, like palm detection etc
[13:40] <Lex_> i dont know what synaptics is its says if i open device management
[13:40] <hateball> Lex_: press alt+space to open krunner, search for "touchpad"
[13:40] <hateball> That should get you the configuration gui
[13:41] <Lex_> ok wait its still upgrading
[13:45] <Lex_> if i open touchpad settings there is a red bar with: synaptics backend not found
[13:47] <hateball> hmmm, that might be https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344958 I guess
[13:47] <hateball> I am on 14.04 on this machine
[13:49] <Lex_> yeah im on this site too in this monent .D
[13:51] <Lex_> i dont understand what these guys are doing there :D
[13:55] <Lex_> Hello A few Days ago i installed Kubuntu as the main System on my Terra-Laptop. Everything works fine ecept for my Mausecoursor I think the driver isnt working, it says: synaptics not found. I tried to install synaptics in the terminal but the mousecouror is still not working correctly. It jumps the whole time on my screen. Do you know how i can fix this, i cant find any information in the internet. Thank you and greetings from Germany
[13:59] <glx> hello, I've got a problem after upgrading kubuntu (64) to 15.10. kinit, plasma and krunner crashes on startup, a message says "Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0" " I tried fglrx, fglrx-updates and OS driver. I was looking for solution for couple of hours. can anyone help please?
[14:03] <soee> try to backup your .kde and .config folders and remove them
[14:03] <glx> ok, thx
[14:04] <glx> but the problem is that I treid starting twm and it neither works
[14:06] <glx> and plasma also doesn't start on newly created user account, so probably it has nothing to do with configuratiopn
[16:28] <jubo2> is it normal for temperature sensor readings to flux 15-20C
[16:28] <jubo2> or is it lying?
[16:30] <rom1504> maybe if your computer is in a fridge
[16:30] <jubo2> I need fresh laptop
[16:30] <jubo2> also need fresh desktop to play Eli Ted Angerous
[16:31] <jubo2> can barely afford either one of these needs
[16:32] <rom1504> ok
[16:32] <rom1504> get a job
[16:39] <jubo2> rom1504: difficult. capitalist likes to make the rules for the bottom of the pyramid unreasonable and the compensations for the top of the pyramid unreasonable
[16:40] <jubo2> I go now search for studio technician education opportunities
[16:40] <MichaelP> 15.10 installer don't like partitions with os on it... Goes from select language to prepare goog... but then click next.. and it hangs.... cancle it... do mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda1 mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda2... then start again and it does like it is supose to
[16:40] <jubo2> I'm in Finlan so all education from creche, day-care, pre-school, school, high-school, and multiple doctorates are free of charge
[16:41] <jubo2> I don't care. I got Ph.D. in the art of the obscure things
[16:44] <MichaelP> What does ph.D have to do with anything ?
[16:49] <jubo2> MichaelP: sounds like you have weird bug
[16:49] <jubo2> not that I'd know about computers
[16:50] <jubo2> Yesterday I opened a G3 128MB 20GB mac from the wrong direction
[16:53] <MichaelP> How you open a computer from the wrong direction ? they only open one way
[16:54] <genii> Maybe things fell out
[16:55] <jubo2> Maybe I just buy rad desktop gaming rig and run Konversation in virtual machine in VirtualBox
[16:56] <jubo2> I would like a nice gaming desktop ( not as energy restricted and not as heat restricted ) and a laptop but cannot afford both
[16:56] <MichaelP> Guess next give it to someone that knows computer..... Tech work.. for people that know what they doing
[16:58] <MichaelP> time reboot into installed system
[16:58] <jubo2> MichaelP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktwlN_ocL-o - Franz Ferdinand - Michael (2004)
[16:58]  * jubo2 hits the proper volume-button
[16:59] <jubo2> Michael is an ancient Wikipedia troll and sock
[16:59] <jubo2> Really hated by the sysop(presseur)ators
[16:59] <jubo2> maybe mild hate
[17:00] <jubo2> not the physically real hate maybe, just the watered down of noun thanks to interwebz
[17:00] <MichaelP> lol
[17:00] <jubo2> Good news is that in a little while the current Internet will be known as "Legacy Internet"
[17:01] <jubo2> [Wednesday 04 June 2014] [23:08:08] <jubo2>     "We could patch in the Legacy Internet onto this new network but really, why bother?" ~ http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Some_guy in 2018
[17:02] <jubo2> Yeah.. Teh Scots are going to save the world from data protection, retention and transmission done badly
[17:03] <MichaelP> Wikipedia.....Michael /ˈmaɪkəl/ is a male given name that comes from the Hebrew: מִיכָאֵל / מיכאל‎ (Mīkhāʼēl, pronounced [miχaˈʔel]), derived from the question מי כאל mī kāʼēl, meaning "Who is like God?"[1]
[17:03] <jubo2> "Maikkel.. Are you there?" *presses turbo-boost*
[17:05] <jubo2> Kitt does not want toxic waste sludge dump
[17:12] <MichaelP> Guess 15.10 plasma 5.4.2 has same bug as debian testing... 50 secounds before desktop does anything
[17:14] <jubo2> Got fed up with that machine shutting down
[17:14] <jubo2> Gonna move irc here to the 268mm keyboarded netbook
[17:15] <jubo2> just about any minute now
[17:15] <MichaelP> Sounds like something wrong with it.. of it shuting down
[17:15] <jubo2> 'tar czvf irc-logs-2015-11-24.tar.gz ~/logs/'
[17:15] <nullkuhl> in plasma 5 login screen, clock and date are written in a different language, how can i switch them to english ? i have all regional settings set to english us
[17:16] <jubo2> nullkuhl: one way to get English language error reports from CLI programs at least is to set the environment variable for locale to C
[17:16] <jubo2> they really help
[17:16] <jubo2> I am from Finlan
[17:17] <jubo2> so Finnish error reports aren't easy with English language support like Freenode irc
[17:17] <nullkuhl> jubo2: am not sure if i get you, can you elaborate more
[17:17] <jubo2> nullkuhl: Suppose you have Finnish or Swedish or French GNU/Linukka
[17:17] <jubo2> then you get error
[17:18] <jubo2> set the locale to "C" in the env and all programs should print in US English
[17:18] <jubo2> this way the user does not need to attempt and fail and translating it
[17:19] <nullkuhl> but am not talking about errors here, its login screen clock
[17:19] <jubo2> nullkuhl: but is that a biggie
[17:19] <jubo2> computers are and have been full of glitches
[17:19] <nullkuhl> yes, because its in arabic and i dont understand arabic numerals
[17:20] <jubo2> sometimes restarting layer by layer fixes the problem even if it isn't a credible proof how the problem got sorted
[17:20] <jubo2> nullkuhl: noh noh.. Latin uses arabic numerals
[17:20] <nullkuhl> its hindi numerals
[17:20] <jubo2> Yiddish has those letter/numbers / number/letters tsydem
[17:20] <nullkuhl> jubo2: and now u are just trolling XD
[17:21] <MichaelP> nullkuhl: maybe this will help...  https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/202
[17:21] <jubo2> jubo-jubo in the controlls. kick back and enjoy refreshments.
[17:21] <jubo2> nullkuhl: I dunno Hindi letters but that Mother Amma is nice
[17:22] <jubo2> come all the way to freezing North to hug people and give them gifts
[17:23] <MichaelP> He thinks he smart because he have PHD in obscure things
[17:23] <nullkuhl> lol
[17:23] <nullkuhl> MichaelP: locale -a : ar_EG.utf8
[17:24] <nullkuhl> then comes en us,, so how can i remove the ar_EG from locale
[17:26] <nullkuhl> did it, will reboot and see
[17:27] <MichaelP> nullkuhl: where is locale in kubuntu ? arch in etc/locale.conf
[19:56] <hazamonzo> hey folks. Anyone know if i can specify a .pem with a fish:// connection in dolphin?
[22:26]  * tsimonq2 is gone: test
[23:44] <clivejo> anyone know of a decent temperature plasmoid?
[23:46] <valorie> temp of computer, or temp as in weather?
[23:46] <valorie> that said, I dunno for either
[23:57] <clivejo> CPU, GPU, HDD etc
[23:58] <clivejo> ah found one