[06:42] <darkxst> ricotz, NVIDIA 358 working for you?
[06:47] <ricotz> darkxst, yes
[06:47] <darkxst> it blew up here, with an un-useful, can't initialize kernel module message from X
[06:47] <ricotz> you used the ppa, right?
[06:48] <darkxst> ricotz, yeh the ~graphics-drivers one
[06:48] <ricotz> the module actually got built?
[06:48] <ricotz> "dkms status"?
[06:50] <darkxst> pretty sure it built, but had to revert now
[06:51] <darkxst> i'll try again when I actually have time to debug
[06:51] <ricotz> hmm, alright
[06:52] <darkxst> its my main desktop PC, can't just leave it broken for days ;0
[06:52] <ricotz> I see, better use 352 then
[06:53] <darkxst> thats what I reverted too, and was probably on before
[06:53] <ricotz> alrght, just saying skip 355
[06:55] <darkxst> yes I did
[07:00] <darkxst> ricotz, any idea if gnome-screenshot is actually still needed these days? now that gnome-shell handles all that?
[07:00] <darkxst> (in the seeds)
[07:01] <ricotz> darkxst, it has some more options like the delay
[07:03] <darkxst> yeh, I guess that is true
[07:04] <darkxst> and I suppose the shell keybindings, are a mystery to most
[07:08] <darkxst> ricotz, latest gtk+ in xenial is borked by some patch larsu reverted, pushed a fix to staging until I can discuss with him
[07:08] <darkxst> bug 1518661, seems to have hit most DE's excepy Unity
[07:09] <ricotz> darkxst, I know, and a complained about some days ago
[07:09]  * darkxst should probably update more often ;) 
[07:10] <ricotz> nice to see they care...
[07:10] <darkxst> and I fail to see how setting a background will workaround apparent frame sync issues
[07:10] <darkxst> at best it will just make it less ugly for them
[07:11] <ricotz> yeah
[07:12] <darkxst> perhaps fixing compiz is too hard
[07:12] <ricotz> btw, providing 3.20 in the ppa might be a pain while gtk+ breaks themes a lot
[07:13] <darkxst> ricotz, how bad is the css nodes break things?
[07:13] <ricotz> I can imagine, man power is limited as well afaics
[07:13] <ricotz> it simply makes current themes unusable
[07:13] <darkxst> technically adwaita is the only supported them on gnome3-staging
[07:14] <darkxst> atleast that is what I tell anyone who complains on the mailing lists
[07:14] <ricotz> gnome-terminal behaves pretty funky too ;)
[07:14] <darkxst> about broken third party themes
[07:15] <ricotz> is there some ubuntu patch tweaking with the window size?
[07:16] <darkxst> I don't think so, but background size is definately tweaked in ubuntu themes
[07:17] <ricotz> I think I have seen this in the past, while the terminal content changes the window gets smaller everytime
[07:18] <darkxst> never seen that
[07:22] <darkxst> re ppa, how about we just move the remaing X bits into gnome3 and go ahead and break staging
[07:22] <darkxst> i'll get the media guys to make an announcement
[07:23] <darkxst> but at this point we don't have many using xenial, little alone with gnome3-staging
[07:23] <darkxst> s/X bits/xenial bits/
[07:31] <darkxst> ricotz, ^
[07:32] <ricotz> darkxst, elaborate "remaing X bits"
[07:32] <darkxst> ricotz, I meant xenial bits
[07:32] <ricotz> so you mean 3.18 updates
[07:32] <darkxst> yes
[07:33] <darkxst> g-o-a transition is likely to happen soon, but it will be reverted to webkit1 most likely to start, like what is on ubuntu-desktop ppa
[07:34] <ricotz> webkit1 ?!?
[07:34] <ricotz> sounds like gee all over again
[07:34] <darkxst> ricotz, still battling to get webkit2gtk into main
[07:35] <darkxst> they won't take both webkit
[07:35] <darkxst>  in main
[07:35] <darkxst> my latest idea
 Laney, though I do wonder, can't we drop the ancient webkit2gtk build from webkitgtk source and add webkit2gtk to main? thats gotta be better than the current situation, and the transition from webkit2gtk-3.0 to -4.0 should be easy
[07:36] <darkxst> actually some people don't want webkit in main at all, but that is not exactly feasible until the drop the enitre GNOME core from Ubuntu
[07:37] <ricotz> darkxst, hmm, sounds good, if nothing is using webkit2gtk-3.0
[07:38] <darkxst> ricotz, there is stuff linked against it, but should be an easy enough transition
[07:39] <ricotz> right, unless it is in main
[07:39] <darkxst> ricotz, most of the r-deps have already been updated upstream for the -3.0 to -4.0
[07:40] <darkxst> things like yelp, devhelp etc
[07:40] <ricotz> anjuta, builder, gitg
[07:41] <darkxst> builder yes
[07:41] <darkxst> other two havent checked
[07:42] <darkxst> gitg yes
[07:42] <darkxst> anjuta, probably yes
[07:44] <ricotz> I see
[07:44] <ricotz> bbl
[10:30] <Forage> good morning
[10:31] <Forage> the live cd nightly builds of at least November 17 until now suffer from being unable to login. It shows a broken login screen instead of booting into GNOME Shell right away. Supplying the username "ubuntu" with no password does not allow me to login. Is there any other way?
[10:31] <darkxst> hi Forage
[10:31] <darkxst> that is fixed now
[10:31] <Forage> \o/
[10:31] <darkxst> and our username is actually ubuntu-gnome ;)
[10:31] <Forage> ah, I didn't include the dash in my attempts
[10:31] <darkxst> no password
[10:32] <darkxst> but the images are fixed as of last night
[10:32] <Forage> is it already working in the latest available nightly?
[10:32] <Forage> great
[10:33] <darkxst> yes, just took a few days to get sponsored, I don't have upload rights yet to the core stuff
[10:35] <Forage> also, for some reason I don't get to see the splash screen any more. My monitors just go to stand-by when booting and shutting down. Is there a way to perform some sort of reset on that part of the distro? I could be because I had to resort back to the opensource video card drivers instead of AMD's fglrx for other reasons
[10:35] <darkxst> Forage, you should always see the splash screen
[10:36] <Forage> Should, yes :-P
[10:36] <darkxst> only on NVIDIA blobs its text one
[10:36] <Forage> I worked before, also on the live cd
[10:36] <Forage> but not any more
[10:37] <darkxst> file a bug
[10:37] <Forage> So now I get to see the boot sequence, then my monitors go to standby, then I get the login screen
[10:37] <darkxst> other than the transition between splash and gdm not being seemless
[10:38] <Forage> To what package to I file it? GDM already at that stage?
[10:38] <darkxst> yes there is a glitch there, but it shouldnt cause sleep
[10:39] <darkxst> Forage, for xenial gdm3
[10:39] <Forage> I'm on Wily
[10:39] <darkxst> for wily gdm, but would be appreciated if you could test it on xenial also
[10:40] <Forage> The live cd's for Wily and Xenial work as expected
[10:42] <Forage> This is what I did to get back to the open source drivers: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Trusty_Installation_Guide#Removing_Catalyst.2Ffglrx
[10:42] <Forage> So I figured a reinstall of some other additional package might fix the issue
[10:43] <darkxst> Forage, that is not breaking your plymouth
[10:49] <Forage> The only thing I can think of is "sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-video-radeon" caused the removal of "xserver-xorg-video-all" as well. This package, however, didn't get installed again afterwards though. It looks like just a meta package however. If I install it it doesn't require any additional packages. Could this be the cause still?
[11:03] <Forage> darn, it's still the 23 Nov. nightly that's available which I downloaded again
[11:08] <darkxst> Forage, just reinstall xserver-xorg-core should be enough to blow away propietry cobwebs I think
[11:09] <darkxst> Forage, use zsync ;) 23'rd image had the live session fixes
[11:10] <Forage> That's what I did as part of the removal process. Is there a way to reconfigure plymouth somehow?
[11:10] <Forage> Where can I find zsync's image?
[11:11] <darkxst> its a link,feed this to zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/xenial-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[11:11] <darkxst> and it just downloads the delta each time you want to update
[11:11] <Forage> There is a ".zsync" file at "http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/" but I figure it's not the same
[11:11] <Forage> ah
[11:12] <darkxst> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/xenial-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[11:12] <Forage> That will hopefully save some download time now that I'm on a crap connection for the time being
[11:13] <darkxst> zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/xenial-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[11:16] <Forage> It results in a file with the exact same size, can that be right
[11:16] <Forage> ?
[11:17] <darkxst> Forage, it should download the full image the first time
[11:17] <darkxst> and then delta downloads when you update
[11:18] <darkxst> worst case being about 50% if you switch series
[11:18] <Forage> great
[11:18] <darkxst> if you update daily, shouldnt be more than 10%
[11:19] <darkxst> or less
[11:19] <darkxst> gtg
[11:19] <Forage> Cheers
[13:16] <LinDol> hi all :)
[14:05] <lindol> hi all