| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 07:57 |
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| MooDoo | morning all | 08:25 |
| brobostigon | morning MooDoo | 08:28 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| MooDoo | how are you brobostigon ? | 08:53 |
| brobostigon | tired, knackered, in pain. and you? | 08:54 |
| MooDoo | yeah i'm tired, but slept a lot last night which is probably why :D | 08:54 |
| brobostigon | ah. :) | 08:55 |
| SuperMatt | the human body is a remarkably poorly constructed thing | 09:00 |
| SuperMatt | the fact that it genuninely allows you to wake up feeling more tired than you went to bed is just bat poop crazy | 09:00 |
| foobarry | or we are doing it wrong | 09:02 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 09:04 |
| SuperMatt | that's a possibility | 09:05 |
| MooDoo | morning davmor2 :) | 09:10 |
| MooDoo | the moe sleep i have the worse and grumpier i am :) | 09:10 |
| foobarry | thats age | 09:11 |
| foobarry | you are getting 1 day older :) | 09:11 |
| MooDoo | yeah i'm getting older :) | 09:12 |
| davmor2 | foobarry: no it is definitely related to sleep, I'm with MooDoo on this one. If I have 6-7 sleep I'm tired but much happier. If I get 8-9 I'm not so tired but then I was having a lie in so why did you wake me. More than 9 hours and I'm ready to scream get off my lawn to any kid that passes by and I don't even have a lawn :D | 09:14 |
| SuperMatt | it might have something to do with the REM sleep cycle patterns | 09:16 |
| SuperMatt | https://boingboing.net/2011/01/07/waking-up-without-an.html - I tried this for a period of time, and it did make me feel quite good. | 09:18 |
| SuperMatt | then I got a girlfriend and all hell broke loose | 09:18 |
| SuperMatt | I couldn't imagine doing the same with kids involved | 09:18 |
| foobarry | woke up every X minutes due to daughter coughing all night | 09:19 |
| SuperMatt | there's your problem | 09:20 |
| SuperMatt | procreation: bringing all of life's joys and woes in one precious, snotty bundle | 09:20 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy Shopping Reminder Day! 😃 | 10:37 |
| awilkins | Does Firefox still need a special patch / plugin on Trusty to integrate with the Unity menu? | 11:00 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMxX-QOV9tI | 11:23 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noWriJ-YGws | 11:26 |
| JamesTait | davmor2, thanks for the earworm. | 11:26 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: you're welcome | 11:27 |
| andylockran | morning guys | 11:42 |
| MooDoo | morning | 11:43 |
| andylockran | how goes things? | 11:46 |
| SuperMatt | hurm, Ubuntu works really well as a gnome-boxes guest, installing and booting so much faster than Centos, but for some reason the shared clipboard doesn't work out of the box like it does for centos. You have to install the spice-vdagent package first | 11:49 |
| davmor2 | SuperMatt: boxes is a redhat thing they may have bits in the system that ubuntu doesn't so you may need to install something for it to work | 11:51 |
| SuperMatt | gotcha | 11:52 |
| SuperMatt | http://londonist.com/2015/11/holborn-commuters-made-to-stand-on-the-right-and-the-left?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+londonist%2FsBMe+%28Londonist%29 | 11:57 |
| SuperMatt | http://londonist.com/2015/11/holborn-commuters-made-to-stand-on-the-right-and-the-left | 11:57 |
| SuperMatt | oops I put those in the wrong window | 12:06 |
| SuperMatt | but it looks like centos automatically installs the spice client | 12:06 |
| davmor2 | SuperMatt: see :) | 12:08 |
| davmor2 | SuperMatt: so out of interest if you install that does it then work in Ubuntu? | 12:11 |
| SuperMatt | yup | 12:11 |
| SuperMatt | though I had to reboot | 12:11 |
| davmor2 | SuperMatt: kernel level change so that makes sense | 12:13 |
| MooDoo | damn rebooting | 12:13 |
| SuperMatt | I know | 12:13 |
| SuperMatt | I run linux, shouldn't have to reboot | 12:13 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: you love it you know you do, otherwise how else would you have time to talk to your family :P | 12:14 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: I've not touched my servers in months, so have had time to speak to them and feed them and all sorts :D | 12:15 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: see that's what happens when you stop using windows :D | 12:16 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: not stopped yet lol, still using hyper-v for my virtual machines and RHEL for my storage server :p | 12:16 |
| foobarry | woot let me keep the extra tshirts | 12:26 |
| foobarry | \o/ | 12:26 |
| zmoylan-pi | christmas presents sorted \o/ :-D | 12:46 |
| zmoylan-pi | as long as the sizes of t-shirts fit your recipients of course... | 12:47 |
| safiyyah | Hi all, I need help setting me graphics back to nouveau , I already deleted Nvidia drivers and removed the card from the motherboard, I am not using my onboard graphics but cannot get the going well enough. I ran the commands: sudo apt-get install nouveau-firmware | 13:41 |
| safiyyah | sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg | 13:41 |
| safiyyah | ali1234, daftykins directhex DJones foobarry Seeker` | 13:42 |
| Seeker` | 1don't randomly ping people | 13:42 |
| Seeker` | if someone knows the answer, they'll answer. Otherwise, try #ubuntu | 13:42 |
| safiyyah | sorry Seeker` I pinged those who I thought could help, I am sorry you found it rude. | 13:44 |
| SuperMatt | make sure the nouveau driver isn't blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d | 13:44 |
| SuperMatt | if all else fails, reinstall | 13:45 |
| safiyyah | SuperMatt, I checked, it isn't there | 13:48 |
| safiyyah | have purged and installed | 13:48 |
| safiyyah | going to reboot | 13:48 |
| safiyyah | brb | 13:48 |
| safiyyah | I rebooted, twice, reinstalled, twice, no joy | 13:52 |
| safiyyah | :( | 13:52 |
| safiyyah | brb, rebooting again | 13:55 |
| safiyyah | meh, no luck! | 13:57 |
| SuperMatt | what errors is it giving you? | 13:57 |
| * bittin_ at work atm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDbyYGrswtg | 13:58 | |
| safiyyah | SuperMatt, no errors at all | 13:59 |
| safiyyah | just when I reboot the resolution is way off | 13:59 |
| SuperEngineer | safiyyah, this may be stating the obvious but why not put nVidia card back in, try if both noveau & nVidia drivers work | 14:00 |
| SuperMatt | right, so it's probably that you're using nouveu, and you can find this by running lsmod | grep nouveau | 14:00 |
| SuperEngineer | ...& how do know it's not working | 14:00 |
| SuperMatt | it's entirely possible that your onboard is pooched | 14:01 |
| SuperEngineer | ...& what onboard video are you attempting | 14:01 |
| safiyyah | it's me first time using my onboard graphics | 14:01 |
| safiyyah | always had an nvidia card | 14:01 |
| safiyyah | which died a few days ago | 14:01 |
| SuperEngineer | ..& SuperMatt just asked my next question :) | 14:02 |
| safiyyah | decided to just use the on board lot | 14:02 |
| SuperEngineer | which board? | 14:02 |
| safiyyah | asus | 14:02 |
| SuperEngineer | is that intel on board graphics? | 14:03 |
| SuperMatt | possible that the onboard doesn't even use nvidia | 14:03 |
| SuperMatt | team Super* is on the case | 14:03 |
| SuperMatt | or Super.* | 14:03 |
| safiyyah | i deleted nvidia, including xorg | 14:03 |
| safiyyah | purged it | 14:03 |
| safiyyah | and then installed nouveau | 14:03 |
| safiyyah | purged bumblebee as well just now | 14:03 |
| SuperMatt | Super[EM][a-z]* | 14:04 |
| SuperMatt | I don't know why I'm regexing this | 14:04 |
| SuperEngineer | :-D | 14:04 |
| SuperEngineer | safiyyah, do oyu know what the onboard is supposed to be [nvidia/intel] | 14:05 |
| safiyyah | no idea about the board, an get the manual out and look | 14:05 |
| safiyyah | http://paste.ubuntu.com/13502420/ | 14:05 |
| safiyyah | checking manual now | 14:05 |
| SuperEngineer | yup, that would be a good idea | 14:06 |
| SuperMatt | or you can run lspci | grep VGA | 14:07 |
| SuperEngineer | or you can ask yourself: "am I looking at the screen right now?" coz if so, something graphical might just possible at a long shot actual be working ;-) | 14:08 |
| safiyyah | Graphics: Intel Graphics Media Accelerator (Intel GMA 3100) integrated Max. resolution 2048**bpp, HorizontalL | 14:08 |
| SuperMatt | there's your problem | 14:09 |
| SuperMatt | you're trying to use nouveau with an intel card | 14:09 |
| SuperEngineer | hmmm.. intel [do I need to go on] | 14:09 |
| safiyyah | okay I don't get the issue | 14:09 |
| SuperEngineer | again... SuperMatt types faster than me! | 14:09 |
| SuperMatt | too Super for some | 14:09 |
| safiyyah | when I do a fresh install of an OS, it works and then I put the nvidia graphics | 14:10 |
| SuperEngineer | why> | 14:10 |
| SuperEngineer | ? | 14:10 |
| safiyyah | because I used to like compiz | 14:10 |
| safiyyah | well I am over it now | 14:10 |
| SuperMatt | you and everyone but the unity devs | 14:10 |
| SuperMatt | ZING! | 14:10 |
| SuperEngineer | KAPOW! | 14:11 |
| SuperEngineer | and SuperMatt, you try sitting at a keyboard whilst recovering from a double hernia op! | 14:12 |
| SuperMatt | I understand now | 14:12 |
| SuperEngineer | [sorry... I meant "double krytonote exposure" | 14:12 |
| SuperEngineer | ;-) | 14:12 |
| safiyyah | I don't get it? | 14:13 |
| SuperEngineer | *kryptonite | 14:13 |
| SuperMatt | safiyyah: the issue is that you're trying to use nouveau, which is an nvidia driver, but your graphics card is intel. You need to install the inter drivers | 14:14 |
| safiyyah | okay | 14:14 |
| safiyyah | what are they called? | 14:14 |
| SuperMatt | well this is where I can't help because I'm running Fedora | 14:14 |
| awilkins | The Intel drivers are just part of the kernel | 14:15 |
| SuperMatt | but if you can get some of desktop access, the ubuntu drivers application *should* install the correct ones | 14:15 |
| SuperMatt | ah, there you go | 14:15 |
| awilkins | You don't need to install them, you just need to not tell the OS to use the nvidia ones when it has no nvidia hardware | 14:15 |
| awilkins | Although isn't the Intel GMA the one built into the CPU? | 14:16 |
| safiyyah | awilkins, probably | 14:17 |
| * SuperEngineer just opened synaptic & found a load of xserver-xorg-video, might be worth a look... but check before installing any | 14:19 | |
| SuperEngineer | & check your BIOS / UEFI settingds allow the onboard video before doing anything.. I suspect they are fully ok as all is ok before you try to use nvdia again intel | 14:21 |
| awilkins | The newer nvidia cards sometimes need newer drivers | 14:23 |
| awilkins | ie when I got my GTX 980Ti I had to install newer drivers | 14:23 |
| awilkins | There's a PPA for that | 14:23 |
| awilkins | https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa | 14:23 |
| awilkins | You should never have to manually install nvidia binary driver packages | 14:23 |
| SuperEngineer | awilkins, his nvidia card gone to meet its maker | 14:24 |
| awilkins | Doing so mucks things up | 14:24 |
| awilkins | Ah, well, I'd follow your advice and go to the BIOS | 14:24 |
| awilkins | By default, xserver-xorg-video-intel is installed out of the box | 14:25 |
| awilkins | So it should work fine | 14:25 |
| SuperEngineer | awilkins, agrred | 14:25 |
| awilkins | Kernel drivers are also just part of the default install | 14:26 |
| safiyyah | ok I understood to check the bios | 14:26 |
| safiyyah | did I understand correctly? | 14:29 |
| safiyyah | I will reboot to do so | 14:29 |
| SuperEngineer | if you are not still trying to use the nvidia drivers, reboot | 14:30 |
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| === geheimnis` is now known as geheimni1` | ||
| safiyyah | SuperEngineer, am I to purge nouveau? | 14:34 |
| SuperEngineer | yes, oui, tac, si | 14:35 |
| === geheimni1` is now known as geheimnis` | ||
| SuperEngineer | definitely even | 14:35 |
| safiyyah | brb | 14:36 |
| SuperEngineer | p.s awilkins ... please send me your GTX 980 [mine is only a GTX 650].. need yours to check yours is not faulty. I'll send it stright back, honest ;-) | 14:40 |
| safiyyah | no joy | 14:41 |
| awilkins | hahahaha :-) I've got the 560Ti it replaced still | 14:41 |
| SuperEngineer | safiyyah, reinstal | 14:41 |
| safiyyah | nouveau? | 14:41 |
| SuperMatt | no! do not install nouveau! | 14:41 |
| SuperEngineer | safiyyah, ubuntu | 14:41 |
| awilkins | Yeah, backup your home folder and reinstall. I'd never recommend it for Windows because it's such a PITA, but for Ubuntu it's a sound strategy. | 14:41 |
| safiyyah | reintall ubuntu??? | 14:42 |
| SuperMatt | nouveau is a drive for nvidia cards only, you have intel | 14:42 |
| SuperMatt | yup | 14:42 |
| awilkins | It's not as horrible as it sounds :-) | 14:42 |
| awilkins | What's your network connection like? | 14:42 |
| safiyyah | noooooooooooo | 14:42 |
| SuperMatt | you shouldn't need to back up /home, because apparently if you select the install over the top option, it will keep /home | 14:42 |
| SuperEngineer | safiyyah, you could even tell it to keep your existing home folder | 14:43 |
| SuperMatt | (but backing up is always advised) | 14:43 |
| safiyyah | its hell getting my scanner working | 14:43 |
| SuperEngineer | damn! SuperMatt did it again! | 14:43 |
| SuperMatt | sorry bud | 14:43 |
| SuperMatt | let me slow down a little | 14:43 |
| awilkins | What scanner? | 14:43 |
| safiyyah | it's already backed up | 14:43 |
| === SuperMatt is now known as NotSoSuperMatt | ||
| safiyyah | brother | 14:43 |
| SuperEngineer | lol | 14:43 |
| awilkins | Hmm | 14:43 |
| awilkins | I had a Samsung one built into my last printer that worked over the network | 14:44 |
| awilkins | But you needed a horrible Perl script. Which was in my home folder. | 14:44 |
| bashrc_ | cowsay "Scanners are nothing but trouble" | 14:44 |
| safiyyah | oh i guess i just have to bite the bullet | 14:44 |
| NotSoSuperMatt | sometimes the simplest solution is the one you least want to do | 14:44 |
| * zmoylan-pi still wakes up screaming about scanners... :-) | 14:44 | |
| NotSoSuperMatt | but do not install nouveau when the box is back online | 14:44 |
| safiyyah | lol | 14:45 |
| awilkins | Almost worth the reduced hassle to buy a RasPi to install the scanner on :-) | 14:45 |
| NotSoSuperMatt | I don't mind getting scanners working, but printers belong in their own circle of hell | 14:45 |
| awilkins | And then NEVER TOUCH IT AGAIN | 14:45 |
| === NotSoSuperMatt is now known as SuperMatt | ||
| SuperEngineer | safiyyah, in case you have an SD card slot in your printer/scanner do ehat I do... scan to SD card & "collect" the scanned article from the SD card | 14:45 |
| zmoylan-pi | if it weren't for irfanview on windows to make scanners usable on windows... | 14:45 |
| safiyyah | the scanner, thing of beauty when its workinh | 14:45 |
| safiyyah | hell on earth to sort out | 14:46 |
| SuperEngineer | many will connect directly to your pooter so no phtysical SD card moving required | 14:46 |
| davmor2 | is it an all in one or just a scanner, if it's an all in one setup the printer then open simple scan and it should of pulled in the scanner section | 14:46 |
| safiyyah | davmor2, that has never worked | 14:47 |
| safiyyah | am going in guys | 14:47 |
| davmor2 | safiyyah: it should | 14:47 |
| safiyyah | pray for me | 14:47 |
| SuperEngineer | will do | 14:48 |
| SuperEngineer | Bad news for TUX - BBC Radio 2 Factoids: Polar bears can eat as many as 86 penguins in a single sitting. | 15:09 |
| zmoylan-pi | ms are thinking of changing their logo... :-) | 15:24 |
| diddledan_ | oh? | 15:24 |
| diddledan_ | or is that a joke referencing the bears? | 15:24 |
| zmoylan-pi | :-) | 15:25 |
| SuperMatt | SuperEngineer: that's fine, we'll just keep forking until there are enough penguins to outnumber the polar bear | 15:32 |
| SuperEngineer | :-D | 15:33 |
| MooDoo | lol | 15:35 |
| zmoylan-pi | and install tux on the polar bears... | 15:36 |
| awilkins | BBC servers are dead : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news | 16:29 |
| diddledan_ | works here | 16:29 |
| awilkins | Hmm, getting a 500 here | 16:29 |
| diddledan_ | maybe it's something with edge caching - depends on ISP | 16:29 |
| awilkins | Yeah, VM do edge caching, definitely | 16:30 |
| diddledan_ | with websites on serverfarms and with edge caching it's very difficult to determine if a problem is with the site or your isp or .... | 16:30 |
| awilkins | Now a refresh is really thinking about it | 16:30 |
| diddledan_ | hmm, I'm on VM too | 16:30 |
| awilkins | Yay, they rebooted | 16:30 |
| diddledan_ | lol | 16:30 |
| diddledan_ | someone used the server power for the vacuum | 16:31 |
| mapps | gah cant access my routers config, looks like they must have changed the default user/pass | 16:33 |
| mapps | ;[ | 16:33 |
| Laney | joshua2 | 16:42 |
| Laney | hunter2 | 16:43 |
| Laney | damn it!!!! | 16:43 |
| * Laney mixed up Famous Computer Passwords | 16:43 | |
| davmor2 | Laney: get your coat | 16:47 |
| diddledan_ | see, I always see "get your coat" suffixed with ", you've pulled!" | 16:52 |
| diddledan_ | flirting ftw | 16:53 |
| diddledan_ | :-p | 16:53 |
| diddledan_ | of course there's also the aussie foreplay "brace yaself, sheila" | 16:53 |
| * diddledan_ hides | 16:53 | |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD | ||
| davmor2 | diddledan_: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2v6abw | 19:07 |
| davmor2 | http://www.billboard.com/articles/business/6776984/adele-25-42-percent-record-sales-7-5-million-200 and with her clothes on, lets see miley match that :D | 19:27 |
| diddledan_ | wow | 20:36 |
| diddledan_ | 42% | 20:36 |
| diddledan_ | that's of ALL music sales?! | 20:36 |
| zmoylan-pi | so... adele is the answer to the music industries questions? :-) | 20:39 |
| MartijnVdS | a | 20:39 |
| MartijnVdS | a Dell? | 20:39 |
| daftykins | dude, you're getting Adele | 20:49 |
| MartijnVdS | my laptop is a dell.. | 20:49 |
| diddledan_ | what do you want a dell for?! :-p | 21:48 |
| diddledan_ | time to catch-up on shield | 22:24 |
| diddledan_ | agents thereof | 22:24 |
| awilkins | What the cheapest VPS with US servers? (really, I'm taking Raspberry Pi levels of hardware...) | 22:32 |
| diddledan_ | hmm | 22:33 |
| diddledan_ | digitalocean do 5$ per mo | 22:33 |
| awilkins | Hrrmph | 22:33 |
| diddledan_ | I've not looked at linode in a while | 22:33 |
| awilkins | Heh, annoyed by the loss of my current DNS proxy for Netflix usage :-) | 22:33 |
| diddledan_ | :-( | 22:34 |
| diddledan_ | sucky | 22:34 |
| awilkins | All the DNS services specifically for the purpose charge about $5 a month | 22:34 |
| awilkins | I pay $2.95 for 15GB of Usenes | 22:34 |
| awilkins | Usenet | 22:34 |
| diddledan_ | usenet ftw | 22:34 |
| awilkins | $5 for a few tens of kB of DNS requests seems excessive in comparison | 22:35 |
| diddledan_ | I think for netflix they might need to do some proxying of some stuff too | 22:39 |
| daftykins | awilkins: eh, as in for netflix US? | 22:42 |
| daftykins | digitalocean setups are neat, you can get OpenVPN fired up within 30 mins of creating an instance | 22:42 |
| awilkins | daftykins, Yeah, all you need is the DNS proxied a bit | 22:43 |
| awilkins | daftykins, The names are the same for their content servers across the globe... they geolocate your DNS request | 22:44 |
| daftykins | ah so you can probably tunnel that over SSH instead? | 22:44 |
| awilkins | Hmm, maybe | 22:44 |
| awilkins | There are whole docker containers with the relevant gubbins in to just be a DNS server | 22:44 |
| awilkins | Set up to do it | 22:45 |
| awilkins | Been binging Deep Space 9 | 22:45 |
| awilkins | But something is up with the DNS server I've been using | 22:45 |
| awilkins | They have ALL the Star Trek on US Netflix | 22:45 |
| daftykins | ah i've watched all of that not long ago :> | 22:45 |
| * zmoylan-pi has all trek on a hard drive barring original series... must sort that | 22:46 | |
| zmoylan-pi | which is odd as i do have animated series :-) | 22:46 |
| daftykins | zmoylan-pi: but you can't go without fine moments such as - https://www.dropbox.com/s/4n7k0td4rur4jjs/spock.JPG?dl=0 | 22:46 |
| diddledan_ | sobbing mathematically? | 22:46 |
| zmoylan-pi | i held of buying the dvds as they said they were going to remaster the original series but never got around to getting them | 22:47 |
| daftykins | i got some blurays with the re-done CG sequences, they don't actually ruin anything compared with the originals | 22:47 |
| daftykins | i'd not seen TOS before | 22:48 |
| awilkins | US Netflix apparently has the remastered | 22:48 |
| daftykins | awilkins: how far did you get in DS9? | 22:48 |
| awilkins | Close to end of Season 2 | 22:48 |
| awilkins | Garak just had his brain implant melt down | 22:48 |
| awilkins | S3 I think actually | 22:48 |
| zmoylan-pi | like a lot of trek season one is never great | 22:48 |
| awilkins | The Maquis stuff just kicked off | 22:48 |
| daftykins | :D | 22:48 |
| daftykins | the Doctor and Garak scenes are ace | 22:49 |
| awilkins | RIght, beddy byes time | 22:49 |
| awilkins | Gnight | 22:49 |
| zmoylan-pi | garak commenting on the boy who cried wolf... | 22:49 |
| zmoylan-pi | o/ | 22:49 |
| zmoylan-pi | garak and quark and the root beer... | 22:51 |
| zmoylan-pi | all of gark and odo | 22:51 |
| * zmoylan-pi puts on red dwarf 'psirens' | 22:52 | |
| zmoylan-pi | the one with the models of trek and space 1999 ships :-) | 22:53 |
| zmoylan-pi | 'this baby's crashed more times than a zx81' :-D | 23:13 |
| diddledan_ | if you thought csi cyber was funky hacker depictions, scorpion is awesome! | 23:50 |
| diddledan_ | (awesomely bad that is, which I love!) | 23:50 |
| zmoylan-pi | hollywood hackers at it's silliest? | 23:51 |
| diddledan_ | the introduction credits have "</" and ">" before and after random headings | 23:51 |
| diddledan_ | that tels you how awesome it is | 23:51 |
| * zmoylan-pi is intrigued and makes a mental note to look for it | 23:52 | |
| daftykins | :) | 23:53 |
| zmoylan-pi | if only coding at night wearing a balaclava was photogenic... :-) | 23:54 |
| diddledan_ | ooh, that's what I'm doing wrong, I don't have a balaclava | 23:55 |
| zmoylan-pi | if you're a noob you can slum it in a hoodie... :-P | 23:55 |
| zmoylan-pi | especially a new hoodie with a kittie pocket... | 23:55 |
| * diddledan_ wanders off to find a hoodie | 23:55 | |
| diddledan_ | I've got a poo-load of empty pepsi bottles, does that help? | 23:56 |
| zmoylan-pi | no they have to be cans that you mount onto a board and paint black to make a solar radiator :-) | 23:56 |
| diddledan_ | "I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but your son is a genius" | 23:58 |
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