[05:59] good morning [07:05] good morning desktopers [07:07] hello... [07:07] I just woke up :/ My mobile ran out of battery :/ [07:07] +no alarm today :) [07:08] A fine morning, then! :) [07:08] BAH! Who broke the compose key! [07:08] hahaha [07:08] Also, why is it suddenly 6pm. [07:08] * RAOF -> EOD. [07:09] :DDD [07:09] enjoy your rest of the day RAOF :) [07:09] good morning hikiko, evening RAOF :) [07:10] RAOF, enjoy! [07:13] good morning didrocks seb128 :) [07:13] Good morning [07:16] good morning pitti :) [07:18] lut pitti [07:18] ça va bien ? [07:18] hey hikiko! [07:18] ça va seb128 -- oh, tu es plus tôt que moi :) [07:18] \o/ [07:18] pitti, tu as bien dormi ? [07:18] seb128: je vais bien, jeu au basket hier était grand [07:19] "grand"? [07:19] seb128: "bon", Je suppose [07:20] c'est mieux oui [07:20] * pitti keeps being misled by "great" vs. "grand" [07:20] hey pitti! [07:20] bonjour didrocks ! [07:20] "grand" is "tall" usually [07:21] seb128: mais beaucoup de personnes là sont grand aussi :) [07:21] google translator seems a bit confused as well and suggest "great" as first translation for "grand" [07:21] pitti, c'est vrai ! === qengho is now known as CardinalFang === CardinalFang is now known as qengho === fredp is now known as Guest57960 === siel_ is now known as siel === CrazyMelon is now known as CrazyLemon === maclin1 is now known as maclin === meetingology` is now known as meetingology === lifeless_ is now known as lifeless === desrt_ is now known as desrt === rsalveti_ is now known as rsalveti === seb128_ is now known as seb128 === CrazyMelon is now known as CrazyLemon === Tm_Tr is now known as Guest21169 [08:32] hey seb128 pitti didrocks === ara is now known as Guest26179 [08:37] hey darkxst [08:38] good evening darkxst [08:39] anyone care if I drop obexftp from gnome-user-share? so far as I can tell its useless with bluez5 anyway [08:39] gvfs dropped it ages ago [08:40] I doubt it even works and there are no supported clients [08:40] seb128, ^ [08:41] hey darkxst === Kamilion|ZNC is now known as Kamilion [08:41] darkxst, I don't know enough about it to comment, what's the motivation for the change? [08:43] seb128, merge gnome-user-share to 3.14, but keep the prefs panel [08:43] seems fine to me [08:44] it has the binary split, and there are lots of bluetooth fixes in there, that mostly only affect you guys [08:45] and even including apache 2.4 support ;) though could have just cherry-picked that [08:46] updating is better, if we can [08:48] seb128, yes that was my thoughts also [08:50] patches are done, I'll do a merge with debian over the weekend [08:50] great [08:52] morning all [08:52] Hey willcooke. [08:52] hey willcooke [08:52] hey willcooke TheMuso [08:52] Hey desktoppers. [08:55] hey willcooke, TheMuso [09:03] ahoy [09:04] hey Laney! [09:04] how are you? [09:05] hey Laney! [09:06] hey seb128 and pitti [09:06] doing good, my fingers are feeling the burn from climbing yesterday \m/ [09:06] how about you? [09:07] morning Laney! [09:07] Laney: doing good as well, my body is aching (in a good way) from the 2.5 h basketball [09:07] ah, you feel better enough for climbing? Nice! [09:08] woo! [09:08] hey didrocks! [09:08] doing good as well, played some double tennis yesterday (but only for an hour, wanted some relaxing as well and it started raining) [09:10] nice [09:10] getting cold for that :P [09:11] oh look, dezrt's new tests fail [09:11] https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=glib2.0&arch=armhf&ver=2.47.3-1&stamp=1448490072 [09:12] haha [09:14] https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=glib2.0&suite=experimental [09:14] all 32 bit arches [09:14] * Laney shakes head sadly [09:15] * TheMuso -> EOD, later folks. :) [09:15] see ya TheMuso === bigon_ is now known as bigon [09:19] RAOF, did you say you planned to update colord-gtk in Debian? ;-) [09:28] * willcooke remembered the tar command first time [09:30] willcooke: it's easy, just tar cf . dir === Tm_Tr is now known as Guest40991 [09:30] based on the extension, it will compress (hence the 'c'), the file (f) in the desired format [09:30] * willcooke uses cvfj [09:31] oh [09:31] no need for j, nor v :) [09:31] when did it start doing that? (expecting the answer 1998) [09:31] just "tar cf foo.bz2 bla" for instance [09:31] a year and half ago :) [09:31] so not that outdated! [09:31] oh phew! [09:31] (of course, same for extracting) [09:32] I didn't get a letter from the elders of the internet about this [09:32] heh [09:32] hum, we don't produce any more usb image, right? [09:32] I thought the omitting of the compression type only worked for 'x' [09:33] Laney: oh, possible it's doing that silently, let me check [09:33] check with 'file' that it's actually compressing it :P [09:33] Laney: ah, you are right [09:33] willcooke: withdraw what I said for compress then ^ [09:33] it's just creating a tar [09:34] extract works though [09:34] tar xvf foo.tar.whatever works though [09:34] neat! [09:34] Laney: yeah, I would have hope some fallback based on the extension… [09:34] doesn't mean you get to forget the letters [09:34] which is Good Unix Knowledge [09:35] FYI, I'll have a look this afternoon on our language that we shipped by default, expect some seed changes :) [09:35] * didrocks wants to reintroduce the one we shipped at least in hardy [09:35] programming language or speaking language? [09:35] (as no more size constraints…) [09:36] speaking :p [09:36] yeah, haskell on the CD of course! :) === qengho is now known as CardinalFang === CardinalFang is now known as qengho [09:37] how much space are you talking about? [09:37] I need to remember how this works on install without Internet access. I guess we just needed to ship in live [09:37] Laney: well, it's hard to know in advance [09:37] no limit but that doesn't mean go super wild [09:37] Laney: hence, we need to look at [09:37] yeah [09:37] sure it is, boot a live iso and install the new packages [09:37] I won't ship a big extra number of them [09:37] Laney: well, you will the know the extracted size [09:37] you know the size of the debs [09:38] which is more or less good enough [09:38] then, we can still approx that package size == size in the squashfs [09:38] yep === maclin1 is now known as maclin [09:38] that's what I'll look at, to see how many we can ship reasonably [09:38] (more afraid about the install part, that this is still working as expected) [09:38] what install part === Guest40991 is now known as Tm_Tr [09:39] like, you don't have any network connexion [09:39] connection* [09:39] you choose "de" [09:39] which is part of the live task [09:39] ensure that we have it installed [09:39] and that other languages are removed when not selected [09:40] what makes you think it doesn't work? [09:41] we definitely touched this area with chinese stuff in wily [09:41] did anyone test that no chinese package is installed after a fresh one? [09:41] (if you select en) [09:41] yes [09:41] good then :) [09:42] so I'm wondering what you have seen [09:42] nothing [09:42] or is it just a random thing? [09:42] just telling "we should ensure it's working" [09:42] so unsure what this discussion is even about [09:43] willcooke: next you'll be saying you know how to use vim, sed and regex ;) [09:43] I've being using vim for years [09:43] mainly because I can't work out how to quit it [09:43] badum *tish* [09:43] unsure> you started it? [09:44] Laney: the bikeshedding part? I don't think so :) [09:44] Laney: just telling "I'm going to work on that and test it, just a warning" [09:44] bikeshedding? [09:44] * didrocks shrugs [09:44] I was trying to establish if you've seen something because I worked on the area [09:44] not really bikeshedding [09:44] willcooke: wompwompwomp.com === Chipaca` is now known as Chipaca === Guest57960 is now known as fredp === fredp is now known as Guest77777 === Mirv_ is now known as Mirv [10:03] Hi [10:05] hey trevinho, how are you? was the drive back alright yesterday? [10:06] where did you drive? [10:06] seb128: yes.... Alright. Then I hacked till late on unity / nautilus :-P [10:06] oh, larsu is there as well! [10:06] hey larsu ;-) [10:07] larsu: I was at my parents home wich is 1.5hrs far from Florence, and I had to go back to my place [10:07] good morning Trevinho! [10:07] Hi didrocks [10:09] ah cool [10:09] and good mornigng I guess [10:09] * larsu forgot to say that earlier :) [10:09] hi seb128 & didrocks as well! [10:09] hey larsu, guten MOrgen! [10:09] hey larsu ;) === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [10:10] moin pitti! [10:13] good morning [10:14] attente, O_o early start? [10:15] hey attente [10:15] willcooke: trouble sleeping... [10:15] willcooke, how is the gedit theming going btw? [10:15] seb128, - spooky! I was just about to ask you to try it [10:15] there are two branches you will need [10:16] hehe [10:16] https://code.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubuntu-themes/geditspecific [10:16] https://code.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubuntu-themes/notebooktabs [10:16] they address different issues, but the gedit changes need the notebook changes to look ok [10:18] There are still some minor issues with the tabs (borders and such, but a) I don't have time to spend looking at it right now and b) I think we need to leave something for the Google Code In guys to work on [10:19] welcome seb =) [10:19] seb128: good morning [10:19] * xnox should scroll down scrollback before replying [10:19] * xnox had the chat at seb saying good morning =) [10:19] willcooke, heh, lets put everthing on hold, and leave it for the google code in, kids ;) [10:20] darkxst, :) We can try. It's a good strategy [10:20] hey xnox! [10:20] seb128: do you have time to review https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/maliit-inputcontext-gtk/trunk? [10:20] yes, I am making a list of bugs I would rather not fix, just for that reason!\ [10:20] ssshhhh. i have plenty of things for google code it to build ;-) [10:22] oh, now I need to fix terminal as well [10:22] so yeah, larsu or seb128 - gonna need some help getting the inspector to work with GNOME terminal. I think I have to *shudder* build from source [10:23] I'm used to those bigger tabs now so will complain when they change back :P [10:23] :D [10:23] larsu, are the css nodes in gtk+ going to be a problem for ubuntu themes? [10:25] willcooke, gedit looks fine to me, but can you include the [10:25] GeditStatusbar { [10:25] border-top: 1px solid @borders; [10:25] } [10:25] as well? [10:25] willcooke, unsure why you discarded it, but without that the status bar is not well delimited from the document [10:25] willcooke, I included it in gedit as a workaround until the theme is updated but we shouldn't distro patch gedit for that [10:25] seb128, I checked on the the old gedit and there is no border. [10:26] current xenial has that patch, see ^ [10:26] willcooke: you can do it! [10:26] what do you call "old gedit"? [10:26] erm, the version running in my W vm [10:26] darkxst: what do you mean by problem? They'll certainly need a lot of adjustment [10:26] just like adwaita [10:26] willcooke, well, it looks better with it :-) [10:27] seb128, agreed [10:28] one sec... [10:29] willcooke, there is something weird with the notebooktabs changes [10:29] they make the wm controls being wrong [10:29] moin [10:29] or quite different from ours themed ones at least [10:29] hey Sweet5hark! [10:30] seb128: heya. [10:30] the buttons borders as well [10:32] seb128, sorry, don't understand === pesari_ is now known as pesari [10:33] willcooke, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/gedit.png [10:33] is what gedit looks like with the notebooks branch changes [10:33] seems like the wm decoration background color changed [10:33] like the minimize, restore ones were light [10:34] willcooke, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/geditold.png [10:34] easier than words [10:35] I think you tab color change doesn't impact only tabs [10:35] ? [10:35] hmm. I suspect I copied something from Ambiance to Radiance that I shouldn't have ;) [10:35] seb128, is it just gedit? [10:36] no [10:36] ah, the joys of css :) [10:36] "I wonder what else this rule *could* be affecting" [10:37] seb128, just checked on here, and I can see the gedit b0rkedness but others seem ok [10:37] willcooke, you need something use GtkHeaderBar decorations [10:37] try gtk3-demo [10:38] using* [10:38] hrm, hold on - it's fine on this machine. I had a specific theme selected in the inspector === dgadomski__ is now known as dgadomski [10:39] can't reproduce [10:39] I applied the diff from your commit with patch, so maybe something weird with that :-/ [10:40] I'll reset everything to default here and try again [10:51] seb128, hrm. I deleted all Amb. and Rad. copied over a fresh version from the archive, reapplied my changes, and it all looks ok here [10:51] :/ [10:51] also, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubuntu-themes/geditspecific/revision/457 [10:51] includes the status bar border and whitespace fixes [10:52] willcooke, you should mp the gedit one [10:52] seb128, will do [10:53] I'm going to try again the other branch [10:56] https://code.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubuntu-themes/geditspecific/+merge/278682 [10:58] willcooke, +1 [10:58] woo! 10 years later I finally have something in Ubuntu [10:59] * willcooke goes off to find some champagne [10:59] willcooke, how do you try? [10:59] willcooke, I opened http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubuntu-themes/notebooktabs/view/head:/Radiance/gtk-3.0/gtk-widgets.css [10:59] clicked "download file" [10:59] copied over /usr/share/themes/Radiance/gtk-3.0/gtk-widgets.css [11:00] then "gedit -s" [11:00] (using the corresponding theme of course) [11:00] still get the issue [11:00] hrm, lemme try that... [11:02] willcooke, oh, and congrats on getting changes landing in Ubuntu ;-) [11:02] * seb128 lunch, bbiab [11:02] seb128, aha. I got it now [11:02] :/ [11:03] but only in a guest session [11:03] oh no, there we go [11:06] careless copying on my part [11:16] seb128, fixed [11:16] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubuntu-themes/notebooktabs/revision/457 [11:49] trying to build gnome-terminal from source... [11:49] have installed build-deps [11:49] have also done ./configure --enable-debug --disable-search-provider [11:50] but it's saying aclocal.m4 failed with error 127 [11:50] ahh [11:51] aclocal-1.13 is missing [11:51] 1.15 is available [11:51] oops, wrong keyboard [12:04] oh, I think I fixed it [12:04] I ran /usr/bin/gnome-autogen.sh [12:04] and now it makes [12:06] willcooke, that is obsolete though [12:06] atleast upstream are trying to move away from using those scripts [12:07] (i think) [12:09] there's probably an autogen.sh [12:10] Laney, doesn't seem to be one === ogra_` is now known as ogra_ [12:10] you using git or the package? [12:11] apt-get source [12:11] it's built not [12:11] *now [12:11] and then I did a sudo make install [12:11] and things happened [12:14] iS there a way to enter in a recovery-mode like for lxc? [12:16] Trevinho: how do you mean? [12:16] davmor2: my lxc container doesn't start anymore due to some journal daemon issues... I guess it was a wrong update.. [12:17] davmor2: so I wanted to try to fix [12:17] davmor2: chrooting there and using apt is safe? [12:17] Trevinho: ah okay no idea === happyaro1 is now known as happyaron [12:19] * Laney stabs fontconfig [12:19] what the F [12:20] Laney: what's up? [12:21] trying to fix/craft a snippet for the ubuntu arabic font [12:21] doesn't seem to work in LO write [12:21] r [12:21] does this even use fontconfig? [12:21] gedit is fine ._. [12:21] Laney: that's what I was going to say, I'm unsure it's using fontconfig [12:21] Sweet5hark: ? ^ [12:22] oh actually [12:22] hmm [12:23] this is weird [12:27] yes, LibreOffice uses fontconfig ... somehow. at least we are shipping it even on windoze/osx [12:28] it has wrong spacing I think [12:28] but the right character [12:28] s [12:29] Yyyyyeeeesssssssss! I've got a terminal with the inspector working [12:29] willcooke: :😃 [12:41] Laney, did you see the blurb about Rasp. Pi Zero? There's a "free" one on the front of Mag Pi magazine today./ [12:41] * willcooke is off to the shops now.... [12:41] nein [12:41] what is that? [12:42] Laney: it's all over my rss feed! [12:42] bah, rss feeds [12:42] I've been writing XML! [12:42] :p [12:42] ok, /me looks at plus [12:43] as long as there is no xpath/xslt, you're safe :) [12:43] (but arm11, as the first raspy…) [12:44] mmm [12:50] Sweet5hark: could you help me check this font? [12:50] install https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/8346050 pkg, type some arabic in writer in the "Ubuntu" font [12:51] it should use Ubuntu Arabic via the fontconfig rule and does in gedit [12:51] i.e. if you pick Ubuntu Arabic from the selector explicitly there should be no change [12:51] but there is, the spacing changes (characters look the same to me but maybe I just can't tell) === hikiko_ is now known as hikiko|ln [12:56] Laney: *urgh* is that a regression? anyway the whole font rendering stuff in vcl is ... "interesting" ... [12:57] I don't know [12:57] just wrote this rule now [12:57] there's a chance I messed it up :( [12:57] but fc-match seems to agree with me === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:06] meh - they dont' have it [13:07] I did see a full on Vegas style Elvis doing his shopping though, so not a totally wasted trip [13:08] Laney: so http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/vcl/generic/fontmanager/fontconfig.cxx has the fontconfig wrapping ... [13:09] * Laney blind [13:09] Laney: not sure, if we ever supported what you are trying to do though ... [13:09] basically substituting one font for another which has different spacing [13:18] Laney: there is also the fontsubst.cxx in the same dir as above. If I get you right though, you want your document to be rendered differently because of changes in your font-config. I dont know how much we do that and if that would even be considered a feature. Rendering document content depending on system config is something most users do not consider, but a bug ... [13:19] * seb128 head -> desk [13:19] the new nautilus maintainer is weird [13:19] csoriano___, btw you should make your editor display spaces/tabs, your commits seem to often alternate between those and it's looking weird/buggy [13:19] seb128: I already do, what I'm trying is to slowly replace tabs by spaces, they drove me crazy [13:19] so when it's a new line I use spaces, when it's an already line there I use tabs [13:19] I'm not sure how good that approach is [13:19] but really, tabs makes me crazy :) [13:20] Sweet5hark: what happens if I load it on a system with a different set of fonts installed? [13:20] * seb128 shrugs [13:20] it's shipped as part of the font, not really config [13:20] (usually those result in bugs filed as "my document renders wrong on $platform", then corrected to s/wrong/different/ ....) [13:20] k [13:21] just turns out to be in a separate file [13:21] kind of annoying actually [13:22] Laney: usually ODT documents specify their own font fallback in the document. Also LibreOffice can store font in the document these days. [13:22] bet that bit doesn't know about fontconfig [13:23] thinking about this makes me feel ill [13:25] ya, I dont think that highlevel stuff knows or cares much above fontconfig. [13:25] like you can type any name into the selector but it turns out to mean something else [13:26] even depending on things like the font size [13:28] (currently 365 open libreoffice bugs with "font" in the subject: crossplatform font rendering is hard) [13:33] just one bug per day! [13:37] well, there are also 790 resolved bugs with "font" in subject (198 of those with resolution: fixed). === xclaesse` is now known as xclaesse === hikiko|ln is now known as hikiko [13:54] * Laney lunch [14:11] good morning, desktop [14:11] good morning desrt [14:12] hey didrocks [14:12] hey desrt, good morning [14:12] hey desrt [14:12] pitti: nice to see you around :) [14:13] seb128: good morning to you as well [14:13] desrt: heh, I'm here all the time :) [14:13] what's everyone up to this afternoon? [14:13] desrt, Laney was looking for you ;-) [14:13] pitti: but usually AFK during the good-morning round :) [14:13] seb128: uh oh... [14:13] indeed [14:13] hide! [14:13] what did i break now? [14:13] glib tests on 32 bits arch it seems === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:14] * desrt makes a face [14:15] https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=glib2.0&arch=armhf&ver=2.47.3-1&stamp=1448490072 [14:17] # GLib:ERROR:/«PKGBUILDDIR»/./glib/tests/overflow.c:100:test_checked_guint64_add: assertion failed (cases[i].c == result): (4294967294 == 8589934590) [14:17] tsk tsk tsk [14:17] it's actually my fault, too [14:17] installing a 32bit chroot now to take a look [14:20] pitti: what happened to our gnome CI? :( [14:20] nobody tests i386 anymore, unfortunately [14:21] desrt: that's been gone for years already, it was mostly a prototype back then but there wasn't enough interest upstream to keep it [14:21] I also thought it had pretty much been superseded by Colin Walter's os-tree builds [14:21] apparently not [14:21] if it's not amd64, it's not getting tested :p [14:23] Laney: all kinds of warnings even building that test :( [14:27] Laney: want to just pull the patch from the tip of master? [14:27] * desrt just pushed it [14:27] extremely silly error [15:14] desrt: indeed, I would have suggested that fix [15:14] thanks! [15:23] fek [15:23] $5 rasp pi [15:23] time to reconsider my cluster! [15:23] charles, hey, could you get an indicator-landing organized? there are 6 "ready to land" branches, some waiting since septembre [15:26] * desrt considers that the usb ethernet adaptors would probably cost several times more than the rest of the computer [15:35] desrt, indeed, plus the cheapest SD card I found on ebay was 1.80 GBP [15:36] i think it would be possible to speak ppp over the gpio [15:36]