[00:10] i see it's going to be a loooong weekend in #ubuntu [00:10] the winter is definitely bringing the social justice warriors in. [00:11] yeah... i've noticed [01:50] good morning to all [01:50] g'mornin' sir [01:50] just got that new Tomb Raider game :O https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ghcu8ifx8cj1htq/AADOrNs0b6FyRdsX8T7nc02ea?dl=0 [01:51] lotuspsychje: how's this for £200 delivered? :) https://www.dropbox.com/s/pb5y567wd9isf6h/lenovo.png?dl=0 [01:51] hey daftykins [01:52] wow cheap [01:53] mmm, haswell, 6GB RAM, 1TB HDD - pretty darn good [01:53] nice lara graphs too :p [01:55] wonder what the price would be without win and hd :p [01:56] i did try once or twice to get the refund for not using Windows, but lots of places refused [01:56] i don't think it'd work out to much really [01:57] i hope more barebone shops rise in the future :p [01:58] daftykins that's a fantastic price [01:59] benefits of having a government with no VAT! [01:59] yeah [01:59] first thing i would do is swap that hdd out though. that'll be your biggest botleneck. [02:00] that or the nic -- grab an 802.11ac nic [02:00] kill that realtek nic indeed [02:00] that depends who is going to end up getting it really [02:01] i could easily make £50 back by just selling it on as-is, maybe with a clean install so it actually gets the performance the hardware can give [02:01] would work fine on winblows indeed [02:02] the person i bought that 27" 2560x1440 £160 LCD for could probably use this machine [02:02] haswell would drive that res fine over HDMI [02:04] i'm not really a gamer, so there is no appeal for me in anything over 1080p at the moment [02:04] not until they start mass producing 4k content [02:04] films, that is [02:04] it's not anything to do with gaming in the slightest, it's for a guy to see CAD drawings in better detail [02:04] ah yes -- awesome [02:04] :) [02:05] cant get any cheaper then this for sure [02:05] good deal [02:08] should've seen my face, i only visited amazon quickly to check the days deals [02:08] :> [02:10] :p [02:41] gnite all [02:46] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvRrXZyzny8 [02:47] i wonder how system76 deals with 15.05 to 15.10 black screen upgrades [02:48] and will they put xenial on their machines in april? [02:51] i still wonder why the fix is not out .. [02:51] wich fix OerHeks [02:52] for that ati + 15.10 black screenissue [02:52] yeah [02:52] OerHeks: ive read that the new amdgpu is bit dissapointing also [02:52] not getting the performance they promised [02:53] oh [02:53] lemme find link [02:55] OerHeks: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3008622/linux/amds-radeon-software-crimson-doesnt-live-up-to-the-hype-on-linux.html [02:55] wow, that was a scathing review lotuspsychje [02:56] looks like junk [02:56] says phoronix benchmark [02:56] so should be trusted right? [02:58] maybe we should wait the real field experiences also [02:58] oh .. the performance changes were regressions [02:59] well the good thing is things are moving [02:59] they might actually do some more work on it :p [03:20] hey cfhowlett [03:20] yowza ^2 lotuspsychje [03:24] grmbl [03:27] so much confusing on users on upgrades [03:27] they all think newer is better [03:28] the download sites clearly state "LTS recommended" - or at least Ubuntustudio does. I consider the interim releases to be "test versions" but that conflicts with the official narrative. [03:29] yeah i have same opinion [03:30] cfhowlett: i was discussin earlier system76 machines with 15.04, wondering how they would deal with upgrade to 15.10 black screens and such [03:30] did/do they offer a working solution? [03:30] not on their site they dont [03:31] so and what will they do on april? put xenial on their boxes or not? im curious [03:32] i would be affraid to put non-lts on mass user machines [03:32] I submit for consideration: OEMs should ONLY LTS versions. [03:32] agree [03:33] checkout system76 unboxing youtubes [03:33] they preload ubuntu in a setup screen==>language/location/name==>15.04 [03:35] it is pretty shocking how they don't learn the LTS difference, definitely a case of youngsters not reading the website imo [03:36] though i think the difference is a lot more hidden than it used to be [03:36] well its really a 'latest' thing [03:36] ppl always turn themselfs crazy on latest [03:36] *nod* [03:37] in april, everyone gonna get crazy on xenial too [03:37] the ones that want to install the latest kernel from kernel.org drive me crazy :P [03:37] thinking its latest :p [03:37] "but the numer is bigger!" [03:37] *number [03:37] yeah i dont messa round with mainline [03:37] new distro release: Ubuntu4Idiots: the linux that protects the user from ... the user [03:37] haha [03:38] oh by the way xenial gonna get 4.4 kernel [03:39] cfhowlett: a guest distro :p [03:39] wouldnt be such a bad idea actually! [03:39] hide the admin from lightdm.conf [03:40] and only guest allowed lol [03:40] kiosk mode only [03:40] yeah [03:40] that's actually not a terrible idea! [03:40] cant mess up, and cleanup after logout! [03:40] Nubuntu: ubuntu for Noobs! [03:40] wahahaha [03:43] Nubuntu 17.04 'Naive Noob' [03:44] cfhowlett: one day you will hit the jackpot with your ideas :p [03:45] for sure. [04:20] i relly hate the way windows 10 has gone it has given me good reason to explore linux as an alternative [04:20] these are the lines i wanna read every day!!! [04:27] yeah, but somehow he wound up with zorin ... [04:28] yeah, how are we gonna promote ubuntu best :p [04:30] they all come to mint or zorin or nubuntu heh [04:31] lotuspsychje i think that user might be a troll. they PMed me [04:31] maybe we should create a blog, mentioning ubuntu is the best of all distro's [04:31] fwiw [04:31] * lotuspsychje hands over the magic troll potion to SeriouslyLaugh [04:31] I would but I hate to get into the religious debates about "LINUX" "GNU" etc, etc [04:31] yeah [04:32] d21anthony: welcome mate [04:32] honestly I use a spin of ubuntu, not ubuntu itself. but a lot of users of that distro have most of their troubles with upstream stuff [04:32] Hey there! [04:32] what spin SeriouslyLaugh [04:32] elementary OS [04:33] not bad [04:33] *HERETIC!* [04:33] by troubles i just mean general linux questions [04:33] like 'will this app run on elementary OS' [04:33] * cfhowlett looks around for tar and feathers ... [04:33] :p [04:33] and i'm like...if it'll run on Ubuntu it'll run on elementary OS [04:33] so i've been lurking here for the past few days to get a feel for the ubuntu community [04:34] Is there anyone using 15.10 out there? [04:34] helping where i can [04:34] so random question: why are you in #ubuntu not in #elementary??? [04:34] i'm in #elementary [04:34] it's a graveyard [04:34] d21anthony: im sticking to LTS [04:34] I installed it to see if there was some new jazz for unity - but nothing impressive [04:35] which kernel does 15.10 ship with? is it above 4 yet? [04:35] or 3.19ish [04:35] yeah I think it's 3.19 [04:36] ok [04:37] !info linux-image-generic [04:37] I lied, 4.2.0-18-generic [04:37] linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 3.19.0.33.32 (vivid), package size 2 kB, installed size 27 kB [04:37] just did a uname -r [04:37] !info linux-image-generic xenial [04:37] linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.2.0.19.21 (xenial), package size 2 kB, installed size 10 kB [04:37] there ya go [04:38] they must have updated recently. Because I had to update vagrant recently [04:39] so here's a some what noob question but curious to hear others opinions. How long do you wait to update to the newest LTS (16.04) after it's been released [04:40] d21anthony: april 2016 officially [04:40] !xenial [04:40] Ubuntu 16.04 (Xenial Xerus) will be the 24th release of Ubuntu. Announcement at http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1479 - Discussion in #ubuntu+1 [04:40] d21anthony, I wait for the first point release, i.e. 16.04.1 [04:40] I usually try to wait 6 mo's but is that over cautions [04:40] d21anthony: but you can test already now also, and help solving bugs also [04:40] 0day all the way [04:40] but while waiting, I put the 16.04 in a virtualbox [04:40] ^ [04:41] in a VM [04:41] gotcha [04:41] SeriouslyLaugh: community? well there is one vs. elementary ;) [04:41] im running it in developer version daily build and its already rock stable [04:41] The wierd thing about 16 is the unity 8 versus unity 7 adjustment capability [04:42] d21anthony: unity8 will come on 16.10 [04:42] daftykins amen [04:42] is there really any difference from a user desktop perspective? [04:42] d21anthony: unity8 is still being worked on for desktop [04:43] d21anthony: not yet to say, where this will end [04:43] ive tested unity8 on xenial and still looks like the phone version [04:44] Are you tesing in vm enviroments [04:44] d21anthony: no, physical on my desktop pc [04:44] d21anthony: works like a charm already :p [04:45] d21anthony: but things can still break in this stage right [04:45] is there any common packages that don't work in your current enviroment [04:45] d21anthony: i only do this for testing and help bugging out [04:46] d21anthony: not on my system yet [04:46] d21anthony: just found 1 bug that been hunting me on all ubuntu versions so [04:46] nothinng really xenial specific [04:47] interesting. I'll have to test it out on one of my dud boxes [04:47] d21anthony: yes please do [04:47] got libreoffice5 and newest firefox [04:48] !info firefox xenial [04:48] firefox (source: firefox): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 42.0+build2-0ubuntu1 (xenial), package size 43117 kB, installed size 103047 kB [04:48] !info firefox [04:48] firefox (source: firefox): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 42.0+build2-0ubuntu0.15.04.1 (vivid), package size 43094 kB, installed size 104555 kB [04:48] ah they all on 42 now [04:48] good [04:51] It's kinda funny cuz I was die hard Firefox for years, then chrome had the awesome dev suite integrated and now I'm back on firefox. Chrome was bugging out for a while on 15.04 and crashed the whole os forcing a hard boot. :( [04:52] d21anthony: use LTS for stable experience :p [04:54] Firefox / mozilla released a propaganda email or some splash page with the general jist that they aren't collecting all your info for big data. I'm assuming thumbing their noses at Chrome [04:54] Open source it is [04:54] chromium here also :p [04:55] firefox is weaved into gnome very nicely as well [04:55] the smooth scrolling is great, and lots of features [04:55] but i'm a chrome user [04:55] at this point it's purely out of habit [04:55] well with adobe flash dying on linux [04:56] something will happen for sure [04:56] microsoft edge is actually quite beautiful [04:56] yeah the dev tools are still a little bit better. But I really dig Firefox's mobile emulator [04:56] as soon as they allow addons that will probably gain traction [04:57] Edge is gaining traction. I wonder if there'll ever be a port for that on linux :) [04:57] maybe wine it [05:02] do you guys typically provide support for desktop environments outside of unity, or do you typically defer users to other channels? [05:03] like if someone had a question about ubuntu gnome, would we send them away? [05:03] SeriouslyLaugh: we have #ubuntu-gnome yes [05:03] great, thanks [05:03] no answer there, they can always come back [05:04] we try to make the dead channels back alive again [05:04] otherwise #ubuntu will be a mess with specific issues from all flavors and windowmanagers [05:05] !flavors [05:05] !Ubuntu-GNOME, !Kubuntu, !Xubuntu and !Lubuntu are simply flavors of Ubuntu that come with GNOME, KDE, Xfce, and LXDE (respectively) installed as default, instead of Unity. Other specialized flavors of Ubuntu include !Edubuntu, Ubuntu !Studio, and !Mythbuntu. [05:05] but also #i3 and such [05:06] SeriouslyLaugh: the way i do, is check if specific channel exists [05:06] good idea [05:06] SeriouslyLaugh: small channel cant help much right [05:07] hmmm - I've never heard of Studio ubuntu before [05:07] then we have ##hardware #netfilter ##networking ##httpd #openssh to redirect users [05:08] d21anthony: its an ubuntu music station flavor [05:09] huh, it looks pretty cool. [05:10] Wish I had time to jump down every rabbit hole I find [05:10] it sure is, but you can grab those music apps on regular ubuntu also [05:11] yeah it's a weird distro [05:12] in that it appears to be a collection of applications [05:12] as opposed to something like Deepin, which is an entirely fresh spin on the entire concept of a desktop environment [05:13] i like vanilla ubuntu best [05:13] seriously you guys should try Deepin OS in a virtual machine and just play with the settings panel [05:13] it's remarkable [05:13] SeriouslyLaugh: im too addicted to unity :p [05:13] the website and installer is full of broken english but i've never seen an OS like that before [05:14] all of the system settings can be changed via a notifications-like area, similar to Windows 10 [05:16] Deepin's got a dock station out of the box. That's pretty cool. I'm running a version of lubuntu (KDE) it's definitely not as user friendly as unity [05:16] http://www.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-16-04-64bit-Development-branch-568865930 [05:16] my xenial box [05:17] nice [05:18] what is the app with the x - an upgraded x chat? [05:18] !info hexchat [05:18] hexchat (source: hexchat): IRC client for X based on X-Chat 2. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.10.1-2 (vivid), package size 386 kB, installed size 1195 kB [05:19] d21anthony: xchat is not maintained anymore [05:20] really.... oops.. :) it's still a fine piece of software. I'll have to upgrade apparently [05:20] not upgrade, purge xchat and install hexchat [05:20] right on [05:21] I love the system monitor for the tool bar - it's a life savor for the ocd [05:21] d21anthony: alot of nice stuff exist: search your terminal with apt-cache search indicator [05:23] why are we talking about all the silly ubuntu derivative distros? :) [05:24] the new guys love them :p [05:24] well someone asked about ubuntu studio in the main channel [05:24] and i got lost in Deepin's dreamy eyes [05:24] it calls me like a siren [05:24] lol [05:24] * lotuspsychje slap SeriouslyLaugh back to reality [05:25] it'll have you smash up on some rocks like a Siren, too [05:25] haha [05:25] heh [05:45] lotuspsychje: aptoncd is freak'n awesome [05:54] !yay | d21anthony [05:54] d21anthony: Glad you made it! :-) [05:56] im im off to spa sauna jacuzzi [05:56] have a nice one all! [06:02] :O [06:02] where's our invite :( [06:05] the cake is in the oven. [06:08] ooh what kind? [06:10] just a yellow one, nothing special [06:10] full creamy butter, not that pseudobutter stuff [06:10] those make you fat [06:11] :D [06:22] cake is now double height .. [06:23] nom nom nom [06:31] it's growing! [06:35] nearly tripple height now, it should not rise any further .. [07:09] cake is born, needs to cool down for an hour ..expected lifetime one hour .. [07:09] .. why wait, ehh? === DJones_ is now known as DJones [12:26] Hiyas all [12:45] hi [12:54] hi pauljw [12:55] :) [13:31] Good afternoon. [13:36] good afternoon to all [13:37] hey lotus|xenial [13:37] how's it going? [13:38] hey EriC^^ [13:38] all fine here mate [13:38] checking xenial updates [13:38] cool [13:39] EriC^^: i was also testing out unity8/mir on xenial the other day [13:39] how is it? [13:39] EriC^^: still looks like the phone model, but already nice [13:39] EriC^^: desktop version is being worked on [13:40] oh ok [13:40] cool [13:40] 16.04 will have unity 8? [13:40] EriC^^: no, 16.10 [13:40] oh ok [13:40] xenial will have unity7 and kernel 4.4 [13:41] already rockstable here (for now) :p [13:42] cool :D [13:45] lotus|xenial: any idea about satellite receiver stuff? [13:46] EriC^^: very little but do ask :p [13:46] the thing in front of the satellite dish seems to be bad, i removed it today it's like a round thing with 2 plugs [13:47] i dunno, it has to be replaced? or can i give it a smack with a hammer or something and it'll work again? haha [13:47] EriC^^: how do you know its bad? [13:48] 2 heads should be pretty strong [13:48] it's similar to this http://i00.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/1086584104_3/Satellite-TV-box-AML8726-M3-Support-CVBS-DVB-AV-LAN-WIFI-Android-4-0-Satellite-TV.jpg [13:48] it's the while thing to the right with a plug at the bottom [13:48] *white [13:48] ah one head and 2 screws right? [13:48] it's the same almost, but with 2 plugs at the bottom [13:49] yeah [13:49] how do you know its bad? [13:49] well satellite stopped working on both tv's [13:49] it's 2 different wires coming down, and 2 receivers [13:49] EriC^^: did the dish move with the wind? [13:50] its called a LNB EriC^^ , check it out with the dish maker on google [13:50] EriC^^: or does the model auto-turn? [13:50] i dont think so, it looked pretty screwed on tight [13:50] nope no auto-turn i think [13:50] it doesnt need much, to be out of range [13:50] the white thing did have a degree setting thing, but i don't think it has moved it was fastened tight [13:50] BluesKaj: ok, thanks [13:50] normally those dishes are pretty rough [13:51] i would think contact of a cable? [13:51] well the cables kind of fell off when i moved them, but i tried to put both inside well and same thing [13:52] EriC^^: tv shows nothing? [13:52] maybe i should go to the roof and try to move the white thing and dish maybe and plugs and somebody sees if the tv shows something [13:52] yeah, no signal [13:52] I use a bell tv dish with 2LNBs , one for each satellite, and HiDef service [13:53] i dont think its the dish or head, but could be wrong [13:53] those things are pretty rough [13:53] seems like your cable connectors are kaput [13:53] yeah [13:53] lotus|xenial, you mean tough [13:55] well gotta go ...vehicle needs servicing for the winter ... BBL [13:55] kk [13:55] EriC^^: check if the cable/connectors are wet from rain? [13:55] i'll try to fasten them in [13:55] brb [13:56] kk [14:01] well, that didn't go too well [14:01] i fastened one, the other one i tried to put without the round tighten thingy and i broke the wire [14:01] lol, let me see if one of the tv's work though [14:01] ok [14:05] nope, not working [14:05] hmm [14:05] i guess it's a bad head thing [14:05] did you guys have rain recently? [14:05] cause it stopped suddenly one day [14:06] nah i think when it stopped it was raining [14:06] you could go test the dish as whole somewhere else [14:07] oh wait, im an idiot [14:07] i didnt put the wire thing in the receiver when checking it on the 2nd tv [14:08] :p [14:09] nope still nothing [14:10] EriC^^: tested card in and out>? [14:10] or you dont have satelite card? [14:10] nope no satellite card [14:10] ok [14:10] plugout power cable from satelite? [14:11] i didnt think it had a power cable? [14:11] the actual satellite has a power cable? [14:11] or you mean the receiver in the room? [14:11] the receiver sorry [14:11] oh ok [14:11] yeah, it's not working, no signal [14:12] it loads up fine and stuff then says no signal [14:12] if it auto turns, it will be hardware thing [14:13] cables,dish or head [14:13] if no rain entered cables or connectors, probably the head [14:22] EriC^^: you didnt touch 'source' button of tv? [14:22] yeah i did [14:22] apparently lnb's go bad pretty often [14:22] doublecheck if its still on sattelite instead of hmdi2 [14:22] http://freesatfix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60488 [14:23] it's on satellite for sure, it loads up the logo then it says no signal ( not the tv the receiver's text thing ) [14:23] kk [14:24] how old is that dish? [14:24] good thing i got the thread though, it says you shouldn't unhook or hook cables with the stb powered on ( i think stb is receiver? ) [14:24] cause it can make a spike in the lnb and it wont work anymore [14:25] EriC^^: http://www.satcure.co.uk/tech/no_satellite_signal.htm [14:25] looks like a good troubleshoot [14:26] make sure cables and connectors arents damaged or corroded like on that link [14:36] bbl good luck EriC^^ [14:57] EriC^^: fixed your LNB issue yet? [15:01] looks to me like he needs new cables, my LNBs are over 10yrs old and still work fine. [15:01] First thing I always check is there's 19.5V DC present on the set-top box's antenna socket when its powered up [15:02] most have a rg59 connector on them, depending where he's located [15:02] then, connect the cable but leave the LNB disconnected, and check that 19.5V is present at the cable end at the dish. [15:03] if you've got the power at the LNB, and it doesn't operate, then open up the LNB and check the diodes [15:04] some are sealed , not easy to access the electronics [15:04] EriC^^: any more luck? [15:04] The 'LNB' is actually a frequency down-converter, from the very high frequency, very low power, satellite signal (which frequency would radiate and attenuate along the coax run to the STB, down to a frequency that is optimum for the type of cable [15:05] lotuspsychje: nope [15:05] BluesKaj: crack 'em open, there's always a way [15:05] hi TJ- and BluesKaj [15:05] * TJ- waves soggily [15:06] TJ-: i'll get the lnb [15:06] and give it a good whack [15:06] i told lotus hammer first he said check other stuff [15:06] :p [15:07] There's not much to go wrong in it, it's essential a tuned circuit and a power regulator, usually taking the 19.5V to 5V [15:08] I have custom converters made in China for my Wifi interference scanners; down-convert 2.4GHx or 5.4/8GHx to 450MHz [15:09] here the volyage is determined by the polarization of the transponder signal. either 19v dc or 13v dc [15:10] well there's no white spots on it [15:11] right, usually defaults to 19.5V (18V nominal) for horizontal [15:12] screws are pretty rusted [15:12] anyway the only drawback to dish users is rainfade which happens only few times/yr around here...the local cable co's picture and res leaves a lot to be desired vs our bell sat service [15:12] on the fastener thing [15:12] * EriC^^ gets some wd-40 [15:12]