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justCarakasand freenode is back YEEY08:30
dholbachgood morning08:40
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JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Friday, and happy Systems Engineer Day! 😃10:05
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lucahello there10:19
lucaguys may i ask you some help on ubuntu touch porting and install?10:19
lucai successfully built an android system image + ubuntu/ folder with ubuntu customization10:20
lucanow i'm stuck with the install, i now the official guide says to use rootstock-touch-install10:22
lucabut i can't make it work, so i'd like to understand how it works...any help/suggestion?10:22
jgdxluca, hey, stick around or send an email to the mailing list if you don't get any help.10:24
jgdxit's quiet in here at these hours10:24
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guest123124welp,webbrowser app crashes after 1 sec :( [1127/122329:ERROR:gl_surface_oxide_linux.cc(43)] GLSurfaceEGL::InitializeOneOff failed.11:05
jibelguest123124, can you be more specific? which phone, build number and it crashes when you do what exactly?11:22
NijuHi guys, just wondering, on the BQ devices, with only 1gb ram, how do you find it with running many apps?11:22
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mcphailNiju: only one app runs at a time. The OS suspends any app in the background. They can take a second or 2 to come back to life when you switch back11:36
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popeyHm, just flashed a nexus 4 and I'm getting the chip with the "phone needs service centre" thing - not seen that before.. what am I doing wrong?13:06
popeyjohn-mcaleely, ^13:06
ogra_davmor2, jibel,  should calendar syncing work in rc-proposed atm  ?13:15
ogra_(it doesnt since the backend changed for me)13:15
ogra_i even deleted and re-added my ogra@canonical.com account13:15
jibelogra_, I have no idea, I saw an update today but didn't install it yet.13:17
jibelpopey, ^ do you know?13:17
ogra_jibel, well, it stopped for me a week ago or so13:17
popeyit should, yes.13:17
ogra_(i think the backend was replaced)13:17
popeyit wasnt13:17
popeyI tested syncing on my device before uploading to the store13:18
ogra_well, i cant syncv anymore *sniff*13:18
popeyon rc proposed13:18
popeybug reports welcome13:18
popeywith logs from .cache/upstart as usual13:18
ogra_it did start before todays update though ...13:18
ogra_definitely not related to the app13:18
popeywell, either way, if syncing is broken then it's either the app or sync-monitor or eds, and we need a bug13:18
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john-mcaleelypopey, not a clue13:31
popeyJust realised my nexus 4 had android 5 on it13:32
popeyguess I need to go backwards first!13:32
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robin-heroHey popey, could you help me how can I play Doom on my phone? :D14:25
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robin-heropopey: ? :D14:30
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robin-heropopey: I have another question too. :D I saw this screenshot: http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-11-26-133326.png Is there a .click package for this version of Dekko? :D14:37
popeyask DanChapman, I'm sure he'd appreciate additional testing!14:37
robin-heroDanChapman: Hey Dan! I'd like to try out the latest dev version of Dekko. Could you give me a .click package? :)14:41
DanChapmanrobin-hero: Hey! errrm yeah. I don't have an up to date click handy right now. Let me just find a link to one I shared yesterday14:43
robin-heroCool, thanks :)14:44
DanChapmanrobin-hero: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwhxYaiA7z1qOWh4M1dtei0wY0U/view?usp=sharing Be warned it isn't fully functional message reply's, forwards & attachments and some other little bits aren't working in that click.14:45
robin-heroThanks, I'll test it on my test device, so it's not a problem. When do you release a new stable version? :)14:46
DanChapmanrobin-hero: well... as long as I have no more big surprises should be sunday or monday.14:49
robin-heroAwesome \o/ :)14:50
robin-heroDanChapman: Is it normal to everything is English? Because I use my phone with other language settings.14:54
DanChapmanrobin-hero: yes that's normal. There is no translations in that build.14:55
robin-heroThanks :)14:56
robin-heroBut I see a lot of new strings, which are not inclueded in the translation template on Launchpad, please updload a new version before release it :)14:56
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stakewinner00in the bookmarks section of the web browser, if you slide your finger to the right, you can see the red button to delete the bookmark. You press it, but it does nothing.15:07
stakewinner00It only happens to me?15:07
mcphailstakewinner00: does it still do that? Think it was fixed in OTA715:08
jibelogra_, calendar sync works fine on latest rc-proposed + latest calendar15:08
stakewinner00yes, i'm in ota-8 now. Today I found that the bookmarks section don't work.15:09
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mcphailstakewinner00: Not sure, then. Works for me now, and was supposed to be fixed from OTA7 onwards. When you swipe right, if you do a very long swipe (at least to middle of screen) then click the trash icon does it work?15:09
ogra_jibel, with your canonical account ?15:10
jibelstakewinner00, it's a known bug.15:10
stakewinner00it's a feature :D15:10
jibelogra_, no my personal gmail account15:10
mcphailjibel: wasn'i it fixed already?15:10
jibelstakewinner00, bug 151563115:10
ogra_hmm, half of my tabs in the browser have no handle and no close button15:10
ubot5bug 1515631 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "Cannot move a bookmark to bin" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151563115:10
stakewinner00mcphail, if i click the trash icon, it do nothing.15:10
jibelmcphail, still in progress apparently.15:11
stakewinner00well, you can go to the webpage and click the "star" and the bookmark gets removed15:11
ogra_oSoMoN, is that a known issue ? (no handles in some tabs in the browser)15:12
mcphailjibel: hmm. Think that may be a duplicate...15:13
ogra_they seem to get one after i opened the page once ...15:13
jibelmcphail, if you know a duplicate feel free to mark it so. The bug I mentioned has a branch attacheed and should land soon and it's clearly not fixed in rc-proposed15:15
mcphailjibel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1501668 looks as if I closed it (and perhaps closed it too early?)15:15
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1501668 in ubuntu-ui-toolkit (Ubuntu) "ListItem leadingActions have odd behaviour" [Undecided,Fix released]15:15
oSoMoNogra_, nope, not a known issue, mind filing a bug with a screenshot?15:15
jibelmcphail, it looks very similar indeed, oSoMoN can tell if it is the same15:16
jibeloSoMoN, do you plan to land the fix for 1515631 for ota9?15:17
mcphailjibel: and I wondered if my bug was a duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1486008 which is fix released15:17
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1486008 in ubuntu-ui-toolkit (Ubuntu) "[sdk] leading actions width is too small making it very difficult to press" [Critical,Fix released]15:17
stakewinner00also, today i was listen music and unpluged the headphones, the music stopped as expected, and the battery life got drastically reduced. I supose this is some bug in the music app...15:18
stakewinner00I'll search on the buglist and report it if necessary.15:19
ahayzenstakewinner00, bug 151876415:19
ubot5bug 1518764 in qtmir (Ubuntu) "Music app high power consumption" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151876415:19
ahayzena few people have said this, i wonder if the previously fixed lifecycle stuff is broken15:19
stakewinner00also bug 128980415:20
ubot5bug 1289804 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Foreground app consuming lots of memory" [High,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128980415:20
ogra_oSoMoN, hmm, i would, if i could actually figure out how to get a screenshot ... seems the screenshot function is broken15:21
davmor2stakewinner00: for the delete in browser it is a known issue being fixed currently15:22
ahayzengreyback, is there any chance, when you have a moment, you could check bug 1518764, it seems like the fix for bug 1423787 isn't working anymore as I've noticed the battery life being poor on my mako as well ?15:22
ubot5bug 1518764 in qtmir (Ubuntu) "Music app high power consumption" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151876415:22
ubot5bug 1423787 in qtmir (Ubuntu RTM) "music-app blocks system suspend even when not playing any song" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/142378715:22
Guest552342i don't even15:24
greybackahayzen: I'll give it a look, but music app is exempt from lifecycle management, so I've to trust that it behaves itself15:24
ahayzengreyback, i thought it was changed so that it was only exempt when audio was playing ?15:24
ahayzenas per that second bug15:24
ahayzenit seems that power is still used even when music isn't playing15:26
* ahayzen hopes we can have a normal lifecycle soon with the work going on upstream to us :-)15:26
greybackahayzen: which says to me music app, or something it uses is misbehaving. By misbehaving, I mean drawing frame unnecessarily, or not releasing its wakelock when it should15:27
ahayzenyeah, maybe all the changes in media-hub have caused it15:27
greybacknot improbable15:27
davmor2ahayzen: just blame jhodapp and media-hub it's fine he has big shoulders ;)15:27
ahayzendavmor2, :-)15:27
jhodappdo not blame, it's a bad habit15:28
ahayzenonly bzr blame ?15:28
jhodappno blame15:28
jhodappgreyback, ahayzen: did using music-app start chewing up more battery life recently?15:29
ahayzenjhodapp, OTA815:29
ahayzenonce jhodapp fixes bug 1518160 music can have a normal app lifecycle anyway :-) hehe15:30
ubot5bug 1518160 in qtubuntu-media (Ubuntu RTM) "Once the music-app has a normal app lifecycle there needs to be a mechanism to sync the info lost during the suspend period" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151816015:30
jhodappyes indeed15:30
ahayzenjhodapp, but i wonder if the changes in mh are cause it to not release the wakelock as it thinks the audio is still playing or something15:31
stakewinner00Why the music app are not programmed in C++/qt?15:31
ogra_oSoMoN, bug 152062415:31
ubot5bug 1520624 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "after update some tabs are missing their handles and cloes buttons" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152062415:31
ahayzenstakewinner00, there is no real reason to at the moment, we can do everything in QML15:31
davmor2ahayzen: see told you it was jhodapp fault, but no, he plays the no blame card, like I care, I'm QA, blame is what I do, after I break something ;)15:32
stakewinner00ahayzen, with qml/js it seems to be slow when loading list of songs for example.15:32
ahayzenstakewinner00, that's all done in the SDK c++ models though, if you mean the Songs tab ?15:32
ahayzenonly the playlist songs view is loaded via JS15:33
ahayzenall the others we just pass the mediascanner2 model directly to the view15:33
jhodappahayzen, you can test that with the powerd-cli --list if you suspect that something might still have a system wakelock15:33
jhodappdavmor2, technically you owe me a beer since silo 9 landed without a single fix needed ;)15:33
stakewinner00I mean, I have a playlist with 600 songs, when i open it, I have to wait arround 4-5 seconds to load it15:33
ahayzenjhodapp, ok i'll look when i'm back home, at campus at the moment :-)15:33
ahayzenstakewinner00, yup agreed15:34
* ahayzen wanted to use U1DB for that15:34
ahayzenbut hopefully the media-hub save/load can do that instead when they are implemented/fixed15:34
davmor2jhodapp: Actually the silo got blocked even though it was all ahayzen fault :P  But to be fair we should all have a drink at some point anyhow :)15:35
jhodappdavmor2, cheers to that! :)15:35
ahayzendavmor2, i did say music was still WIP though :-P15:35
oSoMoNogra_, thanks15:35
stakewinner00it's like atom vs sublime text, you have to take a coffee waiting to load it xD15:36
davmor2ahayzen: Indeed and it served the purpose it's just hard for an outsider to strip the two parts away from each other :)15:36
jhodappstakewinner00, parts of that should be faster with the new music-app coming out with OTA915:37
jhodappas it'll be using the new media-hub background playlist15:37
ahayzenjhodapp, not the playlists list15:37
jhodappahayzen, right, that's why I said *parts* :)15:37
ahayzenjhodapp, that's all JS+localstorage horribleness15:37
jhodappahayzen, speaking of which, let me make sure load/save are on our team's backlog15:38
ahayzenjhodapp, bug 151022515:38
ubot5bug 1510225 in qtubuntu-media (Ubuntu RTM) "Load and save of a QDeclarativePlaylist do not work" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151022515:38
jhodappahayzen, thanks, I'll add that link to the new story I just created15:39
ahayzenjhodapp, coolio, gtg and print stuff brb later o/15:40
stakewinner00i think that the 80% of the time i'm with the phone, i'm listening music. I'll be grateful of all improvements and fixes related to music app. :D15:40
ahayzenstakewinner00, we are working on it :-)15:40
davmor2jhodapp: if that story doesn't start "A long time ago in a galaxy far far away......" I'm not interested15:40
jhodappstakewinner00, indeed, it's getting better and better15:41
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AbuDharhey guys :D16:37
AbuDharhow stable is ubuntu phone?16:37
popeyAbuDhar, depends how you define "stable" :D16:39
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AbuDharpopey: what will the next Ubuntu phone be? have they disclosed that?18:02
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AbuDharhttp://store.bq.com/gl/ this is the best one hardware wise so far?18:03
AbuDharThe Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition or this one?18:03
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MikaelaWill it have dualband (ac)? It seemed that none of the current ones has it (and 4G was also missing?) and Ubuntu Touch seems to be the only good option if Jolla sinks.18:51
ogra_the MX4 has 4G18:55
AbuDharyeah but it's sold out19:24
mac___trying to port ubuntu touch on hd2, I have access to the system-data/var/log folder19:39
mac___i found in syslog i have " Could not get lights module"19:39
mac___a file name lightdm.log is present in system-data/var/log/lightdm.log folder, however I cannot open it.19:41
mac___Seems like no a txt file. How do I open logs for lightdm? Is there any special ways?19:41
mac___never mind19:53
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_Kai__Don't know if there are any Touch devs in here but21:28
_Kai__had a little idea: in settings you could have options for 'traditional' and 'simplified' interfaces21:28
_Kai__traditional would be like android homescreens.   Simplified would be big buttons 'phone' 'messaging' 'email' 'maps' ext.21:29
_Kai__might help make it a bit more mainstream/easier to use for launch21:29
tripleclonesjfyi Ubuntu Phone is the first item in the subject line of SitePoint Mobile newsletter22:07
dobey_Kai__: thanks for the suggestion, but i don't think that will solve whatever problem it is you are trying to solve. :)22:16
_Kai__dobey: Simplified interface would probably be a lot easier to implement.  Basically had the idea since I setup an Android for my farther with a simplified launcher (6 big buttons and a 'notification centre' plus 'top contacts') which helped him use the smartphone :-D22:16
_Kai__that's the one.   Lovely big easy to use buttons :) 100,000 - 500,000 installs too for this launcher so it is a feature that is not as niche as you'd think22:18
dobeyi still don't know what problem that is trying to solve22:25
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_Kai__dobey: usability for people less familiar with smartphones/gestures/difficulty seeing?23:06
_Kai__dobey: not a problem as much as a pretty good feature (you can see how many downloads the launchers get on Google Play)23:06
_Kai__not saying it should be a priorty, certainly not.  But it would be a useful feature for a mainstream launch :D23:06
_Kai__(when it hits carriers next year, if the dates we've been given are correct)23:07
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