[08:30] <justCarakas> and freenode is back YEEY
[08:40] <dholbach> good morning
[10:05] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Systems Engineer Day! 😃
[10:19] <luca> hello there
[10:19] <luca> guys may i ask you some help on ubuntu touch porting and install?
[10:20] <luca> i successfully built an android system image + ubuntu/ folder with ubuntu customization
[10:22] <luca> now i'm stuck with the install, i now the official guide says to use rootstock-touch-install
[10:22] <luca> but i can't make it work, so i'd like to understand how it works...any help/suggestion?
[10:24] <jgdx> luca, hey, stick around or send an email to the mailing list if you don't get any help.
[10:24] <jgdx> it's quiet in here at these hours
[11:05] <guest123124> welp,webbrowser app crashes after 1 sec :( [1127/122329:ERROR:gl_surface_oxide_linux.cc(43)] GLSurfaceEGL::InitializeOneOff failed.
[11:22] <jibel> guest123124, can you be more specific? which phone, build number and it crashes when you do what exactly?
[11:22] <Niju> Hi guys, just wondering, on the BQ devices, with only 1gb ram, how do you find it with running many apps?
[11:36] <mcphail> Niju: only one app runs at a time. The OS suspends any app in the background. They can take a second or 2 to come back to life when you switch back
[13:06] <popey> Hm, just flashed a nexus 4 and I'm getting the chip with the "phone needs service centre" thing - not seen that before.. what am I doing wrong?
[13:06] <popey> john-mcaleely, ^
[13:15] <ogra_> davmor2, jibel,  should calendar syncing work in rc-proposed atm  ?
[13:15] <ogra_> (it doesnt since the backend changed for me)
[13:15] <ogra_> i even deleted and re-added my ogra@canonical.com account
[13:17] <jibel> ogra_, I have no idea, I saw an update today but didn't install it yet.
[13:17] <jibel> popey, ^ do you know?
[13:17] <ogra_> jibel, well, it stopped for me a week ago or so
[13:17] <popey> it should, yes.
[13:17] <ogra_> (i think the backend was replaced)
[13:17] <popey> no
[13:17] <popey> it wasnt
[13:17] <ogra_> oh
[13:18] <popey> I tested syncing on my device before uploading to the store
[13:18] <ogra_> well, i cant syncv anymore *sniff*
[13:18] <popey> on rc proposed
[13:18] <popey> bug reports welcome
[13:18] <popey> with logs from .cache/upstart as usual
[13:18] <ogra_> it did start before todays update though ...
[13:18] <ogra_> definitely not related to the app
[13:18] <popey> well, either way, if syncing is broken then it's either the app or sync-monitor or eds, and we need a bug
[13:19] <ogra_> right
[13:31] <john-mcaleely> popey, not a clue
[13:32] <popey> Just realised my nexus 4 had android 5 on it
[13:32] <popey> guess I need to go backwards first!
[14:25] <robin-hero> Hey popey, could you help me how can I play Doom on my phone? :D
[14:25] <popey> haha
[14:30] <robin-hero> popey: ? :D
[14:37] <robin-hero> popey: I have another question too. :D I saw this screenshot: http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-11-26-133326.png Is there a .click package for this version of Dekko? :D
[14:37] <popey> :D
[14:37] <popey> ask DanChapman, I'm sure he'd appreciate additional testing!
[14:41] <robin-hero> DanChapman: Hey Dan! I'd like to try out the latest dev version of Dekko. Could you give me a .click package? :)
[14:43] <DanChapman> robin-hero: Hey! errrm yeah. I don't have an up to date click handy right now. Let me just find a link to one I shared yesterday
[14:44] <robin-hero> Cool, thanks :)
[14:45] <DanChapman> robin-hero: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwhxYaiA7z1qOWh4M1dtei0wY0U/view?usp=sharing Be warned it isn't fully functional message reply's, forwards & attachments and some other little bits aren't working in that click.
[14:46] <robin-hero> Thanks, I'll test it on my test device, so it's not a problem. When do you release a new stable version? :)
[14:49] <DanChapman> robin-hero: well... as long as I have no more big surprises should be sunday or monday.
[14:50] <robin-hero> Awesome \o/ :)
[14:54] <robin-hero> DanChapman: Is it normal to everything is English? Because I use my phone with other language settings.
[14:55] <DanChapman> robin-hero: yes that's normal. There is no translations in that build.
[14:56] <robin-hero> Thanks :)
[14:56] <robin-hero> But I see a lot of new strings, which are not inclueded in the translation template on Launchpad, please updload a new version before release it :)
[15:07] <stakewinner00> in the bookmarks section of the web browser, if you slide your finger to the right, you can see the red button to delete the bookmark. You press it, but it does nothing.
[15:07] <stakewinner00> It only happens to me?
[15:08] <mcphail> stakewinner00: does it still do that? Think it was fixed in OTA7
[15:08] <jibel> ogra_, calendar sync works fine on latest rc-proposed + latest calendar
[15:09] <stakewinner00> yes, i'm in ota-8 now. Today I found that the bookmarks section don't work.
[15:09] <mcphail> stakewinner00: Not sure, then. Works for me now, and was supposed to be fixed from OTA7 onwards. When you swipe right, if you do a very long swipe (at least to middle of screen) then click the trash icon does it work?
[15:10] <ogra_> jibel, with your canonical account ?
[15:10] <jibel> stakewinner00, it's a known bug.
[15:10] <stakewinner00> it's a feature :D
[15:10] <jibel> ogra_, no my personal gmail account
[15:10] <ogra_> ah
[15:10] <mcphail> jibel: wasn'i it fixed already?
[15:10] <jibel> stakewinner00, bug 1515631
[15:10] <ogra_> hmm, half of my tabs in the browser have no handle and no close button
[15:10] <stakewinner00> mcphail, if i click the trash icon, it do nothing.
[15:11] <jibel> mcphail, still in progress apparently.
[15:11] <stakewinner00> well, you can go to the webpage and click the "star" and the bookmark gets removed
[15:12] <ogra_> oSoMoN, is that a known issue ? (no handles in some tabs in the browser)
[15:13] <mcphail> jibel: hmm. Think that may be a duplicate...
[15:13] <ogra_> they seem to get one after i opened the page once ...
[15:15] <jibel> mcphail, if you know a duplicate feel free to mark it so. The bug I mentioned has a branch attacheed and should land soon and it's clearly not fixed in rc-proposed
[15:15] <mcphail> jibel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1501668 looks as if I closed it (and perhaps closed it too early?)
[15:15] <oSoMoN> ogra_, nope, not a known issue, mind filing a bug with a screenshot?
[15:16] <jibel> mcphail, it looks very similar indeed, oSoMoN can tell if it is the same
[15:17] <jibel> oSoMoN, do you plan to land the fix for 1515631 for ota9?
[15:17] <mcphail> jibel: and I wondered if my bug was a duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1486008 which is fix released
[15:18] <stakewinner00> also, today i was listen music and unpluged the headphones, the music stopped as expected, and the battery life got drastically reduced. I supose this is some bug in the music app...
[15:19] <stakewinner00> I'll search on the buglist and report it if necessary.
[15:19] <ahayzen> stakewinner00, bug 1518764
[15:19] <ahayzen> a few people have said this, i wonder if the previously fixed lifecycle stuff is broken
[15:20] <stakewinner00> also bug 1289804
[15:21] <ogra_> oSoMoN, hmm, i would, if i could actually figure out how to get a screenshot ... seems the screenshot function is broken
[15:22] <davmor2> stakewinner00: for the delete in browser it is a known issue being fixed currently
[15:22] <ahayzen> greyback, is there any chance, when you have a moment, you could check bug 1518764, it seems like the fix for bug 1423787 isn't working anymore as I've noticed the battery life being poor on my mako as well ?
[15:24] <Guest552342> i don't even
[15:24] <greyback> ahayzen: I'll give it a look, but music app is exempt from lifecycle management, so I've to trust that it behaves itself
[15:24] <ahayzen> greyback, i thought it was changed so that it was only exempt when audio was playing ?
[15:24] <ahayzen> as per that second bug
[15:26] <ahayzen> it seems that power is still used even when music isn't playing
[15:26]  * ahayzen hopes we can have a normal lifecycle soon with the work going on upstream to us :-)
[15:27] <greyback> ahayzen: which says to me music app, or something it uses is misbehaving. By misbehaving, I mean drawing frame unnecessarily, or not releasing its wakelock when it should
[15:27] <ahayzen> yeah, maybe all the changes in media-hub have caused it
[15:27] <greyback> not improbable
[15:27] <davmor2> ahayzen: just blame jhodapp and media-hub it's fine he has big shoulders ;)
[15:27] <ahayzen> davmor2, :-)
[15:28] <jhodapp> haha
[15:28] <jhodapp> do not blame, it's a bad habit
[15:28] <jhodapp> :)
[15:28] <ahayzen> only bzr blame ?
[15:28] <jhodapp> no blame
[15:29] <ahayzen> ;-)
[15:29] <jhodapp> greyback, ahayzen: did using music-app start chewing up more battery life recently?
[15:29] <ahayzen> jhodapp, OTA8
[15:30] <jhodapp> ok
[15:30] <ahayzen> once jhodapp fixes bug 1518160 music can have a normal app lifecycle anyway :-) hehe
[15:30] <jhodapp> yes indeed
[15:31] <ahayzen> jhodapp, but i wonder if the changes in mh are cause it to not release the wakelock as it thinks the audio is still playing or something
[15:31] <stakewinner00> Why the music app are not programmed in C++/qt?
[15:31] <ogra_> oSoMoN, bug 1520624
[15:31] <ahayzen> stakewinner00, there is no real reason to at the moment, we can do everything in QML
[15:32] <davmor2> ahayzen: see told you it was jhodapp fault, but no, he plays the no blame card, like I care, I'm QA, blame is what I do, after I break something ;)
[15:32] <stakewinner00> ahayzen, with qml/js it seems to be slow when loading list of songs for example.
[15:32] <ahayzen> stakewinner00, that's all done in the SDK c++ models though, if you mean the Songs tab ?
[15:33] <ahayzen> only the playlist songs view is loaded via JS
[15:33] <ahayzen> all the others we just pass the mediascanner2 model directly to the view
[15:33] <jhodapp> ahayzen, you can test that with the powerd-cli --list if you suspect that something might still have a system wakelock
[15:33] <jhodapp> davmor2, technically you owe me a beer since silo 9 landed without a single fix needed ;)
[15:33] <stakewinner00> I mean, I have a playlist with 600 songs, when i open it, I have to wait arround 4-5 seconds to load it
[15:33] <ahayzen> jhodapp, ok i'll look when i'm back home, at campus at the moment :-)
[15:34] <ahayzen> stakewinner00, yup agreed
[15:34]  * ahayzen wanted to use U1DB for that
[15:34] <ahayzen> but hopefully the media-hub save/load can do that instead when they are implemented/fixed
[15:35] <davmor2> jhodapp: Actually the silo got blocked even though it was all ahayzen fault :P  But to be fair we should all have a drink at some point anyhow :)
[15:35] <jhodapp> davmor2, cheers to that! :)
[15:35] <ahayzen> davmor2, i did say music was still WIP though :-P
[15:35] <oSoMoN> ogra_, thanks
[15:36] <stakewinner00> it's like atom vs sublime text, you have to take a coffee waiting to load it xD
[15:36] <davmor2> ahayzen: Indeed and it served the purpose it's just hard for an outsider to strip the two parts away from each other :)
[15:37] <jhodapp> stakewinner00, parts of that should be faster with the new music-app coming out with OTA9
[15:37] <jhodapp> as it'll be using the new media-hub background playlist
[15:37] <ahayzen> jhodapp, not the playlists list
[15:37] <jhodapp> ahayzen, right, that's why I said *parts* :)
[15:37] <ahayzen> jhodapp, that's all JS+localstorage horribleness
[15:38] <jhodapp> ahayzen, speaking of which, let me make sure load/save are on our team's backlog
[15:38] <ahayzen> jhodapp, bug 1510225
[15:39] <jhodapp> ahayzen, thanks, I'll add that link to the new story I just created
[15:40] <ahayzen> jhodapp, coolio, gtg and print stuff brb later o/
[15:40] <stakewinner00> i think that the 80% of the time i'm with the phone, i'm listening music. I'll be grateful of all improvements and fixes related to music app. :D
[15:40] <ahayzen> stakewinner00, we are working on it :-)
[15:40] <davmor2> jhodapp: if that story doesn't start "A long time ago in a galaxy far far away......" I'm not interested
[15:41] <jhodapp> stakewinner00, indeed, it's getting better and better
[16:37] <AbuDhar> hey guys :D
[16:37] <AbuDhar> how stable is ubuntu phone?
[16:39] <popey> AbuDhar, depends how you define "stable" :D
[18:02] <AbuDhar> popey: what will the next Ubuntu phone be? have they disclosed that?
[18:02] <popey> nope
[18:03] <AbuDhar> http://store.bq.com/gl/ this is the best one hardware wise so far?
[18:03] <AbuDhar> The Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition or this one?
[18:51] <Mikaela> Will it have dualband (ac)? It seemed that none of the current ones has it (and 4G was also missing?) and Ubuntu Touch seems to be the only good option if Jolla sinks.
[18:55] <ogra_> the MX4 has 4G
[19:07] <Mikaela> Nice
[19:24] <AbuDhar> yeah but it's sold out
[19:35] <Mikaela> :(
[19:39] <mac___> trying to port ubuntu touch on hd2, I have access to the system-data/var/log folder
[19:39] <mac___> i found in syslog i have " Could not get lights module"
[19:41] <mac___> a file name lightdm.log is present in system-data/var/log/lightdm.log folder, however I cannot open it.
[19:41] <mac___> Seems like no a txt file. How do I open logs for lightdm? Is there any special ways?
[19:53] <mac___> never mind
[21:28] <_Kai__> Don't know if there are any Touch devs in here but
[21:28] <_Kai__> had a little idea: in settings you could have options for 'traditional' and 'simplified' interfaces
[21:29] <_Kai__> traditional would be like android homescreens.   Simplified would be big buttons 'phone' 'messaging' 'email' 'maps' ext.
[21:29] <_Kai__> might help make it a bit more mainstream/easier to use for launch
[22:07] <tripleclones> jfyi Ubuntu Phone is the first item in the subject line of SitePoint Mobile newsletter
[22:08] <tripleclones> http://www.sitepoint.com/ux-principles-behind-ubuntu-phone/
[22:16] <dobey> _Kai__: thanks for the suggestion, but i don't think that will solve whatever problem it is you are trying to solve. :)
[22:16] <_Kai__> dobey: Simplified interface would probably be a lot easier to implement.  Basically had the idea since I setup an Android for my farther with a simplified launcher (6 big buttons and a 'notification centre' plus 'top contacts') which helped him use the smartphone :-D
[22:17] <_Kai__> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wiser.home&hl=en_GB
[22:18] <_Kai__> that's the one.   Lovely big easy to use buttons :) 100,000 - 500,000 installs too for this launcher so it is a feature that is not as niche as you'd think
[22:25] <dobey> i still don't know what problem that is trying to solve
[23:06] <_Kai__> dobey: usability for people less familiar with smartphones/gestures/difficulty seeing?
[23:06] <_Kai__> dobey: not a problem as much as a pretty good feature (you can see how many downloads the launchers get on Google Play)
[23:06] <_Kai__> not saying it should be a priorty, certainly not.  But it would be a useful feature for a mainstream launch :D
[23:07] <_Kai__> (when it hits carriers next year, if the dates we've been given are correct)