[00:09] <diddledan> fun ranting on "BSD Now" this week
[00:10] <daftykins> is that family friendly? :P
[00:10] <diddledan> lol
[00:14] <zmoylan-pi> the family that bsd's together stays together... oo-err... :-P
[00:14]  * diddledan BSDs zmoylan-pi .. sideways
[00:32] <daftykins> crikey, it's not high end but - http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00S9Q9VS4
[00:34] <daftykins> 240GB SSD £39.99 for mainlanders
[00:34]  * zmoylan-pi remembers when i could fit my data onto storage that small...
[00:35] <daftykins> fine for an OS disk :>
[00:36] <zmoylan-pi> true, but i've just started bumping my dumbphones up to 32gb for music, video and ebooks as 16gb each on 3-4 devices doesn't cut it anymore...
[00:38] <daftykins> that reminds me, i pulled a couple of 2GB memorystick 2 cards out of sony ericssons i was playing with yesterday :D
[00:40]  * zmoylan-pi remembers using my nokia n70 with 1gb card.  900mb music, 50mb ebooks with space for photos...
[00:41] <daftykins> hah
[00:42] <zmoylan-pi> absolute lifesaver when i went into hospital for an xray and ended up there for 2 weeks
[00:44] <zmoylan-pi> kept me nice and distracted...
[00:44] <daftykins> i'm amazed i didn't get told off for using mine in intensive care
[00:44] <daftykins> i was busy in a heated call with a lady friend who was giving me grief for not asking how long i'd be in, whilst some poor anaesthetist was waiting to have a word
[00:45] <daftykins> :)
[00:45] <diddledan> the ol' ball n chain :-p
[00:46] <diddledan> s/lady friend/ol' ball n chain/
[00:46] <zmoylan-pi> nurses were worried that i never had visitors till i pointed out i was on email, web, twitter, reading, listening to music, comedy and fm radio. ended up showing them how to use the phones they already had
[00:46] <diddledan> lol
[00:46] <daftykins> XD
[00:47] <daftykins> i couldn't even SSH/RDP home on the free wifi ;_;
[00:47] <daftykins> guys the new enya album is on sale!
[00:47] <daftykins> :D
[00:48] <zmoylan-pi> i was using prepay data at €1 for 50mb a day which using opera mini and google reader lasted all day
[00:49]  * zmoylan-pi looks at ssd advert from before and sees you could save 6 quid and get 120gb storage instead of 240... what a saving!!
[00:49] <daftykins> 8D
[00:49] <zmoylan-pi> by grabthars hammer!!
[00:50] <daftykins> that SSD could be pretty good in that cheap Lenovo i ordered, already got a buyer too :>
[00:51] <daftykins> doubt that thing has space for two at once though, that'd be nice
[00:51] <zmoylan-pi> superglue it to back of screen for cool hacker look :-P
[00:53] <daftykins> could always pop out the optical i guess ;)
[00:57] <zmoylan-pi> but then you'd have to download instead of rip everything!!
[00:58] <daftykins> not me!
[00:59] <daftykins> pesky amazon deals tempting me, i should leave it be really
[01:09] <diddledan> by grabthar's hammer. by the sun's of warvan. you shall be avenged.
[01:10] <diddledan> suns**
[01:10] <m0nkey_> Good evenin
[01:10] <daftykins> i have no idea of either of those :>
[01:10] <zmoylan-1i> watch galaxy quest
[01:11] <m0nkey_> ^-- awesome movie
[01:11] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7bo_A6XnUU
[01:11] <zmoylan-pi> WHAT'S MY NAME?! :-D
[01:12] <daftykins> my friends in walmart in Texas picking up cheap games on the Black Friday deals 8D
[01:12] <daftykins> visiting in Feb so i get cheap things \o/
[01:20] <zmoylan-pi> which you then have to get onto an airplane.  'honestly mr. tsa man it's only 50 rasp pis and a lot of cables..., why are you putting on gloves?'
[01:24] <daftykins> "why are you lubing up"
[01:49] <diddledan> fun bit about git in this video at 19 minutes: https://www.usenix.org/conference/lisa15/conference-program/presentation/mickens
[02:12] <daftykins> my drill just went flat starting another pane! https://www.dropbox.com/s/rlx8t1dofrshep8/IMG_20151127_020955.jpg?dl=0
[02:14] <zmoylan-pi> drilling at 2am?
[02:15] <daftykins> yeah it's only quiet :>
[02:15] <daftykins> i normally don't even vacuum at anti-social hours, so it's all good
[02:21] <diddledan> roger, roger, check for clearance, clarence, what's your vector, victor, over.
[02:21] <daftykins> i really would like it if battery tech suddenly had some major jump overnight :>
[02:22] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVq4_HhBK8Y
[02:22] <daftykins> multi-day laptops and month long smartphones would be ace
[02:22] <diddledan> nokia
[02:22] <daftykins> nah, they weren't smart :P
[02:22] <zmoylan-pi> i had a psion that lasted a week on 2 aa batteries in 90s
[02:23] <daftykins> still got my 3c somewhere :>
[02:26] <zmoylan-pi> we need to move to using arm processors in laptops for more power savings
[02:27] <zmoylan-pi> better screens. like the olpc screen for power savings
[02:27] <daftykins> nah, then everything'd perform like a glorified calcula... netbook :)
[02:29] <zmoylan-pi> instead of laptops that use stupid amounts of power to generate heat using inefficient design
[02:48] <Seeker`> zmoylan-pi: lies
[02:48] <Seeker`> zmoylan-pi: MIPS not ARM
[02:56] <zmoylan-pi> as long aas it's not x86
[03:25] <m0nkey_> Happy Thanksgiving! http://i.imgur.com/IbJ1zMq.jpg
[03:26]  * zmoylan-pi remembers a pancake tuesday that had a pancake stuck to a 20ft high ceiling...
[03:26] <zmoylan-pi> but we never took risks with pressure cooker...
[03:34] <BambooBear> Helloo :)
[03:40] <m0nkey_> before anyone asks, not my place. just some random picture i found :)
[03:43] <ali1234> wow, what happened?
[03:43] <ali1234> that's some pretty impressive damage
[03:43] <zmoylan-pi> lloks like a faulty or badly used pressure cooker
[03:44] <daftykins> mmm remember that one
[03:44] <m0nkey_> I'm out
[03:44] <m0nkey_> G'night all
[03:44] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[07:27] <knightwise> morning everyone
[07:28] <knightwise> morning
[07:28] <knightwise> exit
[08:16] <moodoo> hello al
[08:18] <zmoylan-pi> that's very specific :-)
[08:25] <moodoo> alas a typo lol
[08:27] <zmoylan-pi> al will be devestated to read that :-)
[08:28] <moodoo> hehe
[09:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:13] <moodoo> morning davmor2
[09:14] <davmor2> moodoo: why all the lower case dude?
[09:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: no idea! ;)
[09:22] <davmor2> MooDoo: Oh you're back
[09:22] <davmor2> will the real MooDoo please stand up, please stand up, please stand up
[09:23] <MooDoo> :)
[09:30] <andylock1an> hey fella
[09:30] <andylock1an> how's things?
[09:54] <czajkowski> Good morning
[09:56] <directhex> is it? :|
[10:02] <czajkowski> it is
[10:02] <czajkowski> it's Friday
[10:02] <popey> It is freaking excellent.
[10:03] <czajkowski> it is really!
[10:03] <foobarry_> anyone manage to snag a magpi mag?
[10:05] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Systems Engineer Day! 😃
[10:08] <SuperMatt> morning
[10:11] <SuperEngineer> morninks SuperMatt
[10:24] <popey> wheee
[10:31] <Seeker`> popey: rollercoaster?
[10:32] <popey> ya
[10:32]  * Seeker` was talking about net connection speeds, and remembered when popey got superfast broadband for the first time, but couldn't work out why he wasn't getting full speed
[10:32] <Seeker`> and then you found the 10Mbit switch :P
[10:32] <popey> :)
[10:32] <popey> that was fun
[11:36] <MooDoo> ah ddod against freenode servers, no wonder i'm getting lots of lag
[11:42] <foobarry> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTaKDnSIb4c
[11:42] <foobarry> just cried with laughter
[12:07] <directhex> why is unity-control-centre not listing chrome as a browser option?
[12:46] <foobarry> google-chrome?
[14:23] <arsenip> lso
[14:26] <MooDoo> ?
[14:38] <SuperEngineer> little sqirrels only?
[14:38] <diddledan_> surely it's london symphony orchestra
[14:38] <wizzkidd> im in a little predicament, my headless ubuntu server seems to have hung but is partially accessible.  Can anyone help me remotely reboot the server?  I can ping the box still,  I can no longer ssh to the box, I can start a xrdp session, but it freezes at authentication.  I have webmin installed which is accessible, but I cannot get to the "restart" section.  Has anyone got any ideas?
[14:40] <daftykins> not webmin on ubuntu i hope.
[14:41] <daftykins> plug a keyboard in -> ctrl+alt+del :>
[14:41] <daftykins> oh i see you crossposted that.
[14:41] <diddledan_> webmin?!
[14:41] <diddledan_> eep
[14:42] <daftykins> not even supported :P
[14:42] <diddledan_> it's not even in the repo IIRC
[14:42] <diplo> they have their own
[14:43] <daftykins> pesky amazon taking all my money, BSG full set was £60 down from £160 just earlier :(
[14:43] <diddledan_> :-p
[14:43] <zmoylan-pi> vhs or betamax? :-)
[14:43] <awilkins> CAll me when Babylon 5 is cheap
[14:43] <diddledan_> zmoylan-pi: laserdisc
[14:44] <wizzkidd> ignoring the fact i have webmin, is there any advice out there, i'll discuss webmin and its recommended alternative afterwards! lol
[14:44] <daftykins> i already suggested something
[14:44] <diddledan_> wizzkidd: I believe we were talking about the merits of webmin because 1) we don't know a solution, or 2) we thought daftykins's suggestion was most appropriate
[14:45] <wizzkidd> daftykins: thanks, but a sensible solution, because if I had physical access to the box at the moment, I would have bounced it myself already.
[14:46] <awilkins> Does the box have a lights-out card?
[14:46] <wizzkidd> diddledan_: re: webmin, i threw that in the description of my problem because its one of the few remaining ways I have left to communicate with the box
[14:46] <wizzkidd> awilkins: unfortunately not
[14:46] <daftykins> wizzkidd: it is sensible, we just can't read your mind to know your setup...
[14:47] <daftykins> i think you're up a creek without a paddle
[14:47]  * diddledan_ rows
[14:47] <wizzkidd> daftykins: it seems so.  I thought i'd put it out there anyway as there is always a slim chance that someone may suggest something I havent thought of
[14:48] <daftykins> so is it co-lo or what?
[14:48] <awilkins> Yeah, if there was a simple way to reboot Linux boxes without having SSH access or another service designed to let you do that... people would use it to ruin your day
[14:48] <wizzkidd> awilkins: fair point
[14:48] <diddledan_> awilkins, wizzkidd, you could try DDoSing it to see if you can force it to reboot by magic :-p
[14:48] <daftykins> although if webmin has a URL to hit to enact a reboot, perhaps rather than needing to reach the restart section of its' UI, you can just paste in the link direct?
[14:49] <daftykins> i don't have a clue about webmin though so that's a total guess
[14:49] <diddledan_> if it was windows 95 I believe there was a packet of death for that?
[14:49] <wizzkidd> diddledan_: that was the sort of thing i was thinking. lol. i already searched through all the cached urls typed into my browser, lol
[14:50] <wizzkidd> diddledan_: wasn't it something like con>con or something like that in win 95? wow, thats going back a bit
[14:52] <daftykins> wouldn't an example be available online?
[14:52] <wizzkidd> ok, so... i've gathered that there is a bad smell with regards to installing webmin on ubuntu.  Care to fill me in?  My guess is its vulnerable or something?
[14:52] <diddledan_> it's had a bad history of breaking stuff afaik
[14:53] <daftykins> !webmin
[14:53] <diddledan_> ^ that
[14:53] <wizzkidd> oooww
[14:53] <wizzkidd> i did notice that systemd management wasn't included
[14:53]  * diddledan_ petpet the bot
[14:54] <zmoylan-pi> out of the mouth of bots...
[14:54] <wizzkidd> ok, so with that said, is there an alternative gui web service that can be used to manage the server remotely?
[14:54] <diddledan_> despite all the derision levied at systemd for shoehorning everything into it counter to the "do one thing well" philosophy, I actually quite like it
[14:54] <diddledan_> zmoylan-pi: *fart*
[14:56]  * zmoylan-pi schedules diddledan_ for re-education camp come the revolution...
[14:57] <diddledan_> ooh
[14:57] <diddledan_> is that fun?
[14:57] <diddledan_> like bandcamp?
[14:57] <awilkins> Your best avenue is probably to find a human in the vicinity who can poke the reset switch.
[14:57] <zmoylan-pi> you'll love pascal :-)
[14:57] <diddledan_> remote-hands ftw
[14:58] <daftykins> remote jazz hands!
[14:58] <awilkins> Quadcopter drone with a poking stick
[14:58] <diddledan_> lol
[14:58] <zmoylan-pi> a server power switch seeking drone...
[14:58] <diddledan_> what about an RPG?
[14:59] <diddledan_> that'll knock it offline.. the reboot part may be a bit too much to expect tho, I guess
[14:59] <daftykins> my wealthy client is apparently getting a top end DJI Phantom drone with Sony 4K camera attached for Christmas
[14:59] <diddledan_> daftykins: :-o
[14:59] <daftykins> i actually find the things stupid, but eh
[14:59] <diddledan_> daftykins: get him to pay you monies!
[14:59] <daftykins> haha
[15:00] <davmor2> diddledan_: oh you mean nethack
[15:00] <daftykins> no doubt i'll end up doing something with the video
[15:00] <zmoylan-pi> see how good it stands up to a supersoaker :-)
[15:00] <daftykins> i told him he'd need a new screen to watch the video 1:1 ;)
[15:00] <diddledan_> davmor2: I was thinking more the explosive kind rather than the dungeon kind
[15:01] <daftykins> XD
[15:01] <davmor2> 0a.d.
[15:01] <diddledan_> nethack is badly named.. not only is it offline, but you're not cracking things either
[15:02] <daftykins> w... what on earth do you do in it then o0
[15:02] <diddledan_> daftykins: well certainly you don't hack the net
[15:03] <zmoylan-pi> you run around wishing it was rogue :-)
[15:04] <zmoylan-pi> and then pray you never see a D
[15:04] <diddledan_> hmm, it should be payday today
[15:06] <wizzkidd> any suggestions as an alternative to webmin guys?
[15:06] <daftykins> nope i always suggested doing it the proper way so you never forget, depends how senior you are though
[15:07] <daftykins> the other day we had some kid come in trying to set up an ecommerce site with nginx that couldn't even get the site working... can only imagine how safe those transactions are gonna be
[15:12] <davmor2> popey: the lego pic is that a site thing, if so I'd be more impressed if you could tell it a size and it gave you a parts list and plan, lego jigsaws ftw
[15:16] <popey> heh, no it's a python script which takes any image and makes one of those
[15:20] <davmor2> popey: I reckon there has to be a way to make that into a real image and then build it up with a hook at the back to hang it or a stand a frame :D
[15:23] <Seeker`> but you're not cracking things either
[15:23] <Seeker`> ^ skulls maybe
[16:12] <daftykins> diddledan_: that win10 install size compression, does it do it automatically on that Surface of yours yet, or still a manual task?
[16:13] <diddledan_> it was already done when I tried to force it
[16:13] <daftykins> ooh neat
[16:13] <daftykins> could be auto then
[16:13] <diddledan_> that was way back near the original release, too, so I guess the RTM 10240 build did it automatically
[16:14] <daftykins> very nice :>
[16:14] <daftykins> got my 10586 build on a flash drive so i'm set for that Surface 4 showing up
[16:14] <daftykins> right, i need to go enquire at the post office how to send a phone to England without being clobbered for tax at the other end
[16:33] <mapps> well reset router still cant login
[16:33] <mapps> emailed umee and no reply;(
[16:39] <daftykins> what are you wanting to do, change the wifi name + pass?
[16:54]  * diddledan_ upgrading gentoos again
[16:56] <daftykins> does that mean blasting it out of a cannon? i hope so :>
[16:56] <davmor2> diddledan_: cheaper than a heater
[16:56] <daftykins> the folk in #kodi get really offended and take it so personally when i laugh that they're having issues getting simple things going because they're using gentoo or arch
[16:56] <diddledan_> lol
[16:57] <daftykins> but i mean honestly, gentoo on an HTPC? talk about wrong tools for the job :P
[16:57] <daftykins> "sorry guys we can't watch the film i have to recompile Kodi"
[16:58] <diddledan_> you could put the compilation output on the TV and say to your kids "here, kids, watch the matrix"
[16:59] <daftykins> :)
[17:04] <brobostigon> :)
[17:34] <diddledan_> it's too cute: https://twitter.com/cutesyapp/status/659536419761889281
[17:34] <DJones> My dog says "ooh, breakfast" :)
[17:35] <diddledan_> grr
[17:35] <DJones> Yeah, that was the 2nd noise the dog made
[17:36] <daftykins> :D
[17:38] <davmor2> DJones: is that after you said no my breakfast
[17:39] <DJones> There's only one breakfast that is real, full english
[17:43] <daftykins> gah still getting Deborah's sky subscription emails
[17:43] <daftykins> i phoned them up and they told me they can't tell their customer they've got the wrong email signed up on their account due to 'data protection'
[17:45] <DJones> daftykins: Maybe email them and tell them you'll charge them £50 per unsolicited emaail
[17:45] <daftykins> :D
[17:46] <daftykins> worth a go!
[17:46] <penguin42> daftykins: If they've got your email signed up to it, can't you do a password reset on the account and they'll send the email to your account?
[17:46] <DJones> I did it with with some spam I was getting from a well known reputable business that had a similar situation and the emails stopped pretty quickly
[17:47] <penguin42> a respectable business?
[17:47] <DJones> Didn't get any money out of it, but at least the spam stopped
[17:47] <daftykins> penguin42: hmm, not familiar with the sky site but that might work yeah; unless it requires a member ID or some such for login
[17:47] <diddledan_> I'd hack the account as penguin42 suggests and then close it down :-p
[17:47] <DJones> penguin42: As in a well known supermarket
[17:47] <daftykins> DJones: ah nice!
[17:47] <daftykins> i've done it with a few folks in the US that didn't honour my contact discussion
[17:48] <daftykins> one lady was using me as a personal spam filter the first once or twice, then i reset her accounts and cancelled her orders.
[17:48] <daftykins> one day i got an email explaining why her orders had been cancelled :)
[17:48] <daftykins> that was very entertaining
[17:59] <DJones> Must admit, mine was with somebody from the US
[19:12] <davmor2> I got a set of head hunters where you reply remove and nothing else and it removes you my butt does it, so I might go for the £50 idea with them :)
[19:13] <daftykins> hehe
[19:14] <daftykins> one guy i know is so energetic about his spam blocking that i've been asked to find out why he's not receiving legitimate things before, only to find he's put them on his block list
[19:38] <pwaring> davmor2: I've found that the 'remove me or pay £50/email' line gets the attention of most recruiters
[19:38] <pwaring> Whereas 'please take me off your list' doesn't
[19:58] <mapps> hi
[19:58] <mapps> so why cant i get in this routers config gah;/ wanted to port forward so can access my vpn :/
[20:27] <penguin42> mapps: Have you considered it might just be spite on the part of the router?
[20:32] <wizzkidd> i have messed up some files on my ubuntu server 15.10.  I incorrectly symlinked some "libz*" files, then unlinked them, and now my system is throwing up "segmentation fault" errors.  I am not able to boot the server any longer, and I have managed to get to a root prompt using the recovery option in the grub menu.  It seems Python is broken i think, and "libz.so.1" cannot be found either.  I am unable to run any apt-get command b
[20:34] <penguin42> wizzkidd: messy, you need a way to copy a file from another machine - or a live boot
[20:34] <penguin42> wizzkidd: Have you got a 15.10 live boot drive?
[20:35] <wizzkidd> penguin42: i have the 15.10 boot usb that i used to install the OS, im guessing that should have a live boot option
[20:35] <penguin42> wizzkidd: I think there's a recovery option in it, but I doubt it will fix that
[20:36] <penguin42> wizzkidd: But, boot, mount your servers hard drive and copy it's libz.so.1 into the right place
[20:36] <penguin42> wizzkidd: If you're lucky that'll be enough for you to clean up properly
[20:37] <wizzkidd> penguin42: im struggling to boot from the damn usb at the moment arghhh
[20:38] <penguin42> wizzkidd: Ah, well it's either that, or if you've got another 15.10 system use a usb stick or something to copy the file
[20:39] <wizzkidd> penguin42: ive only got just the one ubuntu box, i'll keep trying to get this thing to boot from usb.
[20:39] <wizzkidd> penguin42: would a recovery repair the sym links?
[20:40] <penguin42> wizzkidd: I doubt it - do you know what you screwed up?
[20:40] <penguin42> wizzkidd: Do you still have /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/linuz.so.?.?.?
[20:40] <wizzkidd> i believe i was following various guides on installing PILL for Ubuntu 15.10
[20:42] <wizzkidd> it was explaining that debian uses a different location, hence creating the sym links
[20:42] <penguin42> do you still have that file on the system?
[20:42] <wizzkidd> i though i created the link incorrectly and so i unlinked some of the .so files, and thats when it went wrong
[20:42] <wizzkidd> errrr...
[20:43] <penguin42> sorry, that should end in libz.so.?.?.?  where ?.?.?  the numbers depend on your install
[20:43] <wizzkidd> i have lots of files still in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/
[20:43] <penguin42> for me it's /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libz.so.1.2.8
[20:44] <wizzkidd> but i dont see "linuz.so"
[20:44] <penguin42> wizzkidd: Sorry I typo'd that
[20:44] <penguin42> wizzkidd: Do you have the libz.so. with the numbers after it
[20:44] <wizzkidd> yes, i have a file called libz.so.1.2.8
[20:45] <wizzkidd> it has no link
[20:45] <penguin42> excellent - what does ls -lz of that file  show ?
[20:45] <penguin42> actually, drop the z
[20:45] <penguin42> just ls -l
[20:46] <wizzkidd> it doesnt have a "->"
[20:46] <penguin42> great
[20:47] <penguin42> wizzkidd: Now, which file do you think you messed up?
[20:47] <wizzkidd> ummm
[20:47] <wizzkidd> i think it was in /usr/....???
[20:47] <penguin42> ok, try a different question - what error do you get?
[20:47] <wizzkidd> i'll search my url history to see if i can find the guide i was following
[20:48] <wizzkidd> libz.so.1: cannot open shared object file
[20:48] <wizzkidd> i used to have a file called "libz.so.1", that seems to be missing from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/
[20:49] <penguin42> wizzkidd: OK what does ls -l /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libz.so.1  show ?
[20:49] <wizzkidd> No such file of directory
[20:50] <penguin42> great, ok do the following command
[20:50] <penguin42> wizzkidd: ln -s libz.so.1.2.8 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libz.so.1
[20:54] <wizzkidd> aghh, it threw me the error "Segmentation fault"
[20:54] <penguin42> the ln  did ?
[20:54] <wizzkidd> yeah
[20:54] <penguin42> then you've got something else broken other than the libz
[20:55] <wizzkidd> damn it
[20:55] <wizzkidd> "apt-get" gives me the same error
[20:56] <wizzkidd> these were the symlinks i created when I broke it all, i think...
[20:56] <wizzkidd> sudo ln -s /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libz.so.1 /lib/
[20:56] <wizzkidd> sudo ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libfreetype.so.6 /usr/lib/
[20:56] <wizzkidd> sudo ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libjpeg.so.62 /usr/lib/
[20:57] <wizzkidd> i think it actually broke when i performed "unlink" on all 3
[20:57] <penguin42> it seems unlikely the freetype or jpeg broke stuff to the point of giving them segs
[20:58] <wizzkidd> i remember it dying in the middle of doing an apt-get straight after: sudo apt-get build-dep python-imaging
[20:59] <wizzkidd> could it be that those 2 packages were somehow only partially installed when it died, causing python to break too?
[21:01] <penguin42> difficult to tell, ln -s   should have very few dependencies
[21:11] <wizzkidd> this is painful
[21:13] <wizzkidd> penguin42: i will persevere trying to boot from the live usb and see if there is a repair option.  In the mean time, i will rebuild my server in a VM, and take a snapshot as I go along, then once I am happy I will P2V it.  It may sound a little long winded, but hopefully this way I'm more resilient.
[21:17] <wizzkidd> I meant V2P :)
[21:19] <foobarry> what's that app a bit like youtube-dl but acts like a poor mans spotify?
[21:19] <foobarry> ah mps-youtube i think
[21:26] <daftykins> crikey :P
[21:26] <daftykins> tough times when you've gotta bypass an ad supported service foobarry ;)
[21:29] <diddledan_> what's going in in colorado?
[21:29] <diddledan_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34950261
[21:29] <foobarry> heh, wanted to download audio to listen to on mp3 player
[21:30] <penguin42> diddledan_: Some things are saying it's an abortion clinic
[21:30] <diddledan_> penguin42: "planned parenthood"**
[21:31] <diddledan_> "so you can plan more effectively, we offer free terminations" o_O
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[21:32] <daftykins> shouldn't it be "unplanned parenthood planned" ?
[21:32] <diddledan_> daftykins: you'dathunk
[21:32] <diddledan_> I'm not opposed to abortions, but calling it "planned parenthood" kinda seems like false advertising
[21:33] <diddledan_> "hello Doris, in for your monthly?"
[21:33] <daftykins> that's quite the early 20th century name choice :>
[21:35] <diddledan_> :-p
[21:35] <diddledan_> it was the first I could come up wiht
[21:35] <diddledan_> obviously my offspring will have terrible names
[21:36] <diddledan_> maybe I should have one of each and call them Boris and Doris
[21:37] <daftykins> oh i am reminded of a question to ask of you mainlander folk
[21:37] <daftykins> is it actually a thing, to encounter undesirables speaking such street language as "fam" to address one another within the cities?
[21:38] <diddledan_> I wouldn't know, I'm posh :-p
[21:38] <daftykins> :D
[21:38] <daftykins> too posh to even meet up with our dear shauno :(
[21:38] <daftykins> who we still haven't asked back
[21:41] <diddledan_> I figure he'll slink back in eventually
[21:41] <daftykins> i've extended an olive branch nonetheless
[21:41] <daftykins> but i kinda want the olives back
[21:45] <penguin42> hmm, have I missed any useful retailers searching for bargains?
[21:48] <daftykins> you can't go wrong with http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00S9Q9VS4 sir
[21:49] <penguin42> that is tempting, not that I really need one
[21:50] <daftykins> neither did i, but that doesn't seem to be what these pesky deal days are about :(
[21:51] <daftykins> hmm some friends that bought a place recently could probably do with a powerline kit since they don't have any proper infrastructure
[21:51] <penguin42> yeh in principal I can think of a couple of places I could put an SSD
[21:52] <daftykins> i mean it's obviously low end, but it's still MLC NAND which is nice
[21:52] <diddledan_> wow, a friend just posted that up norf they've got an ASDA store with petrol under a pound per litre
[21:53] <daftykins> thems Guernsey prices :P
[21:53] <penguin42> diddledan_: Apparently they're doing it as a black friday thing
[21:53] <diddledan_> bah
[21:53] <diddledan_> that's sucky
[21:54] <daftykins> quick drive up north to get some ;)
[21:54] <penguin42> but I think it's not much more than that at the moment anyway is it? Only about 104? (I'm not a driver)
[21:55] <daftykins> penguin42: ^5 me neither!
[21:55] <diddledan_> it's about 109.9 here (varies but that's the average)
[23:42] <penguin42> daftykins: Dabs have the 120GB Sandisk for 26.97 (one/customer - 34.97-#8 voucher code)
[23:42] <daftykins> same "plus" model SSD? crikey
[23:43] <daftykins> ty sir
[23:43] <penguin42> daftykins: https://www.dabs.com/products/120gb-ssd-plus-sata-6gb-s-2-5--solid-state-drive-B23F.html
[23:44] <daftykins> wow! i had the amazon 240GB model for £33 delivered :D
[23:45] <penguin42> daftykins: yeh so I've spent 37 on one of the 120GB's, a couple of #1.80 4GB uSDs and 2x2.98 16GB thumb drives
[23:46] <daftykins> did you miss the amazon one?
[23:46] <penguin42> no, but since 120 is enough, it's #6 cheaper!
[23:46]  * penguin42 was going to buy 2 but the discount code only worked for one
[23:47] <daftykins> :)
[23:47] <daftykins> d'aww
[23:53] <daftykins> i really need to change those RAID notifications, i keep thinking i have a friend at midnight on Fridays :P
[23:53] <penguin42> it tells you when it's going in to check?
[23:55] <daftykins> starting a verify, then the result when complete if all is well
[23:56] <daftykins> if not, a nice spam of bad sectors / sector remaps / port resets / etc :)
[23:56] <penguin42> it would be better not to know until about 9am on Monday morning
[23:58] <daftykins> precisely!
[23:59] <daftykins> that's what i've said to myself and yet done nothing about it for ages
[23:59] <daftykins> in fact lets sort it :)
[23:59] <daftykins> i did once agonise over it all weekend when someones had a bad disk