[08:09] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:28] <mazal> Morning
[08:59] <magespawn> good morning
[10:09] <MaNI> "So met 'n eerste opslag lyk dit spiekeries!" < Any native afrikaans speakers that can translate that properly for me? I think my attempts at translating it are incorrect
[10:15] <andrewlsd> at first glance it looks ....
[10:16] <andrewlsd> .. I have no idea what "Spiekeries" means
[10:19] <TinuvaMac> lol
[10:20] <TinuvaMac> i never knew how you spell that
[10:21] <TinuvaMac> spickerish?
[10:21] <TinuvaMac> yeah i think that is the direct translated word
[10:21] <TinuvaMac> seems about just right
[10:22] <TinuvaMac> "So at first glance, it looks spickerish/brilliant/perfect/oustanding!" ect
[10:28] <MaNL> okay thanks
[11:13] <inetpro> yikes! 
[11:13] <inetpro> netsplits Friday on Black Friday?
[12:03] <andrewlsd> Maaz: seen kilos
[12:03] <Maaz> andrewlsd: kilos was last seen 17 hours, 17 minutes and 39 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-11-26 10:46:11 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-11-26 23:12:05 PST
[12:58] <inetpro> Maaz: seen Kilos-
[12:58] <Maaz> inetpro: Kilos- was last seen 17 hours, 30 minutes and 26 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-11-26 11:27:58 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-11-27 02:22:35 PST
[12:59] <inetpro> hmm...
[13:28] <Langjan> Hi guys, anybody wanting to help with ubuntu login prob, please? 
[14:12] <superfly> Langjan: what's the problem?
[14:23] <Langjan> Hi superfly  the root password is not being accepted to login
[14:23] <superfly> Langjan: why are you logging in as root?
[14:24] <Langjan> OK sorry, the username and password are the same 
[14:25] <Langjan> I'm currently at the password reset in recovery mode
[14:26] <Langjan> Getting Authentication token manipulation error
[14:27] <superfly> You've lost me.
[14:28] <Langjan> http://askubuntu.com/questions/24006/how-do-i-reset-a-lost-administrative-password
[14:29] <superfly> Langjan: again, why are you logging in as root?
[14:30] <Langjan> The system was set to not require a login password, then suddenly it asked for password and I used the password that we registered on install
[14:32] <Langjan> We are using the same password that the system always accepts for login and admin privileges
[14:33] <superfly> there's a difference between root (which you shouldn't be using) and a user who can sudo (which is what you should be doing)
[14:34] <superfly> also, you should always require a password for logging in, it's just basic good security.
[14:34] <superfly> I gotta go, heading home
[14:34] <Langjan> Ok sorry, learning - its the password that I use for sudo
[15:23] <Langjan> Hi Kilos 
[15:23] <Langjan> howzit?
[15:24] <Kilos> hi Langjan well ty and you sir
[15:24] <Langjan> Allso fine thks, hows the Oz plans going>?
[15:25] <Kilos> waiting for visa to be approved. hopefully before 10 dec
[15:25] <Langjan> Great! Excited?
[15:25] <Kilos> was hoping to make it before nov end but nothing yet so now monday last day of nov
[15:25] <Kilos> sigh
[15:26] <Kilos> flights are expensive in dec
[15:26] <Langjan> Flight booked yet?
[15:26] <Kilos> excited? what that
[15:26] <Langjan> Yea very!
[15:26] <Kilos> is the what stops one from sleeping at night
[15:27] <Kilos> i cant book a flight till i know if its appproved
[15:27] <Langjan> No its computers. lmga
[15:27] <Langjan> catch ten
[15:27] <Kilos> haha no man computers have ee good to me
[15:27] <Kilos> been
[15:27] <Langjan> Ok can you help? plse
[15:28] <Kilos> can one not fly on a cargo plane?
[15:28] <Kilos> yes of course
[15:28] <Kilos> whats up?
[15:29] <Langjan> Thks, Linda's lappie  -  she logs out instead of shutting down,  dont know if thats the reason but it now refuses to login
[15:29] <Kilos> wa does it do
[15:29] <Langjan> wont even login as guest
[15:29] <Kilos> what
[15:30] <Langjan> im curently in recovery mode, but whatever I try it wants login first
[15:30] <Kilos> does it keep returning to the page where you enter password
[15:30] <Langjan> yes
[15:31] <Kilos> ok
[15:31] <Kilos> pres ctrl+alt+F3
[15:31] <Kilos> then login there
[15:31] <Langjan> while in recovery?
[15:31] <Kilos> try or reboot to login page
[15:32] <Kilos> beter to reboot i think
[15:32] <Langjan> ok but I battle to access recovery, theres nothing here thatr will help, like dpkg or fsck?
[15:33] <Kilos> ctrl+alt+f3 or f2 should take take you to a terminal thing
[15:33] <Langjan> ok lets try
[15:33] <Langjan> booting...
[15:34] <Kilos> how long you been waiting for me to come online
[15:35] <Langjan> about 5 hours...
[15:35] <Kilos> sorry i been battling with a sim card or modem that keeps going to emergency only mode
[15:35] <Kilos> sorry oom
[15:35] <Langjan> not your prob or fault!!
[15:36] <Langjan> I got a blak screen, trying again
[15:36] <Langjan> blank
[15:37] <Kilos> did you ask anyone else to help you?
[15:37] <Kilos> sjoe 5 hours is terrible
[15:37] <Langjan> Superfly was here for a while, had to knock oof
[15:38] <Langjan> had other things todo, not serious
[15:38] <Langjan> ok now have login prompt on terminal
[15:38] <Langjan> and login fails every time
[15:39] <Kilos> ctrl+alt+f3
[15:39] <Kilos> oh
[15:39] <Kilos> sorry
[15:39] <Langjan> ok!
[15:39] <Kilos> you need to enter her username first'
[15:39] <Kilos> then password
[15:40] <Langjan> Login incorrect
[15:40] <Kilos> what did you forget
[15:40] <Langjan> ok logged in! Great
[15:40] <Kilos> haha
[15:40] <Kilos> now
[15:40] <Langjan> login name and username is the same
[15:41] <Kilos> you have aptitude installed hey
[15:41] <Langjan> dont know...
[15:41] <Kilos> try
[15:41] <Langjan> do what?
[15:41] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install gdm
[15:42] <Langjan> aptitude command not found
[15:43] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install aptitude
[15:44] <Kilos> you could have done sudo apt-get install gdm as well
[15:44] <Langjan> had to run dpkg --configure -a
[15:44] <Langjan> running
[15:44] <Kilos> yes something broke
[15:45] <Langjan> its showing unknown media types
[15:45] <Kilos> dont worry bout that
[15:45] <Langjan> finished running
[15:46] <Kilos> is gdm installed?
[15:46] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install gdm
[15:47] <Langjan> running
[15:47] <Kilos> gdm is to replace lightdm
[15:47] <Kilos> when that breaks you cant get past login page because the desktop manager isnt working
[15:48] <Langjan> its not connected, let me cable-connect
[15:48] <Kilos> ok
[15:49] <Langjan> maybe it did? When I logged in it may have picked up my wireless
[15:50] <Kilos> good
[15:50] <Kilos> it will tell you if unable to connect
[15:50] <Langjan> running...
[15:51] <Langjan> the system was warning Linda but she ignored it
[15:52] <Langjan> on 70%
[15:52] <Kilos> what did the warning say
[15:52] <Langjan> dont know, some error
[15:53] <Langjan> now I have to select gdm or lightdm 
[15:53] <Kilos> that lappy does automatic updates hey
[15:53] <Kilos> gdm
[15:54] <Langjan> unpacking as if has just landed from Oz...
[15:54] <Kilos> lol
[15:54] <Langjan> ok klaar
[15:55] <Langjan> now?
[15:55] <Kilos> you still in the terminal
[15:55] <Kilos> ?
[15:55] <Langjan> yes
[15:55] <Kilos> try sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[15:55] <Langjan> ok
[15:56] <Langjan> aptitude command not found
[15:56] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install aptitude
[15:57] <Langjan> klaar
[15:58] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[15:58] <Langjan> running...
[15:58] <Langjan> klaar, nou?
[15:59] <Kilos> then sudo reboot
[15:59] <Kilos> the login screen will be a bit different
[15:59] <Kilos> tick on linda first the enter password
[16:00] <Langjan> ok still srating up
[16:01] <Langjan> taking its time...
[16:01] <Kilos> ya its sorting things
[16:01] <Kilos> gdm is a bit slower but more stable
[16:01] <Langjan> aha, whatever will I do without my friend, lucky theres lines to Oz
[16:01] <Kilos> hahaha
[16:02] <Kilos> there are lotsa guys here
[16:02] <Langjan> Hope your plans pan out well, yea but only one kilos
[16:02] <Kilos> also ill be online from oz as well just 9 hours ahead
[16:02] <Kilos> just pray for me to succeed
[16:03] <Langjan> yes, used to that with my kids in Canberra, and Perth 6 hours
[16:03] <Kilos> oh ya
[16:03] <Langjan> Will do my friend, I pray for you every day!
[16:03] <Kilos> i got some catching up to do as well so might be slow to answer
[16:03] <Kilos> ty sir
[16:04] <Kilos> 30 years of catching up
[16:04] <Langjan> And for Debs
[16:05] <Kilos> yeah
[16:05] <Kilos> she is stressing with this slow visa stuff
[16:05] <Langjan> Many thks for sorting this prob out so quick, you're a wiz!
[16:05] <Kilos> did it work
[16:05] <Kilos> yay
[16:05] <Langjan> Hope you did not go via an agent?
[16:05] <Kilos> i was just guessing
[16:06] <Kilos> no i did onlie visa app direct to aus peeps
[16:06] <Langjan> goood
[16:06] <Kilos> agents are too expensive
[16:06] <Kilos> thats why we stressing aout dec flights
[16:06] <Kilos> price goes up 4k
[16:07] <Langjan> Yes Dec is not good...check flights via Dubai and Quatar 
[16:07] <Kilos> i have
[16:07] <Langjan> ok strongs
[16:08] <Kilos> all go up lots over dec jan
[16:08] <Kilos> thats why i asked about a cargo plane
[16:09] <Langjan> Ok Kilos  gotta go will chat agai n
[16:09] <Kilos> go well sir
[16:09] <Kilos> glad i could help
[16:09] <Kilos> look after yourself
[16:12] <Langjan> You too thks Kilos 
[16:12] <Langjan> bye
[17:28] <Kilos> heavy thunderbees expected tonight
[18:20] <magespawn> good evening
[18:38] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[18:43] <magespawn> hey Kilos whats up?
[18:43] <Kilos> same old
[18:43] <Kilos> waiting
[18:43] <Kilos> hows things youre side?
[18:45] <magespawn> bit chilly, working on some tedious data, pricelist comparison
[18:45] <magespawn> converting pdf to spreadsheet
[18:46] <Kilos> ai!
[18:48] <magespawn> manually, nog al
[18:52] <captine> evening all
[18:53] <magespawn> i do not know a way of reliably getting data from a pdf into a spreadsheet
[18:53] <magespawn> automatically
[19:08] <Kilos> hi captine 
[19:10] <Kilos> you using linux magespawn 
[19:10] <Kilos> or the exel way
[19:10] <Kilos> excel
[19:18] <magespawn> linux of course
[19:18] <Kilos> haha
[19:19] <Kilos> is there no converter
[19:19] <Kilos> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18293175/how-to-convert-pdf-files-to-spreadsheets
[19:21] <captine> Kilos.  Hi
[19:22] <Kilos> magespawn ^^
[20:14] <Langjan> Hi Kilos  I'm looking for the link to your daughter's song show - plse send it again 
[20:15] <Kilos> sec Langjan 
[20:17] <Kilos> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYGPNtyZkZg
[20:17] <Kilos> i think thats it
[20:17] <Kilos> one day ill learn to use bookmarks
[20:18] <Langjan> thks
[20:19] <Kilos> yw
[20:19] <Kilos> she has recorded lots
[20:20] <Kilos> Langjan dont you see private messages
[20:21] <Kilos> jy moet wakker skrik oom
[20:28] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[21:03] <magespawn> Maaz tell Kilos thanks
[21:03] <Maaz> magespawn: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[21:33] <inetpro> magespawn: you really don't want to convert PDF to spreadsheet
[21:33] <inetpro> good evening BTW
[21:34] <inetpro> PDF is a publishing format and I don't know why people fail to understand that
[21:35] <inetpro> if you want the data then you must get it from the source before the PDF was generated
[21:37] <inetpro> time to hit the sack, good night
[21:37] <magespawn> no can do inetpro, i do not have access to the source
[21:38] <inetpro> magespawn: get it
[21:38] <inetpro> :-)
[21:38] <magespawn> the company will not give it to me, it is their main price list
[21:38] <inetpro> do yourself a favour and open the PDF file with an editor
[21:39] <inetpro> it's all XML kinda stuff
[21:39] <magespawn> okay, is there a foss editor?
[21:40] <magespawn> or do you mean any xml editor?
[21:40] <inetpro> sudo apt-get install okteta
[21:41] <inetpro> that ^^ is a hex editor amongst many thousands of editors
[21:41] <magespawn> thought you might mean a pdf editor
[21:42] <magespawn> alrighty, i will take a look in the morning when i am at work
[21:42] <inetpro> haha, I really mean it, open it in a normal editor and look
[21:42] <magespawn> will do
[21:43] <magespawn> you made the right call earlier, bedtime now
[21:43] <inetpro> if you can't read it at all, it could even be just an image inside a pdf
[21:45] <magespawn> sort of like a fake pdf
[21:45] <inetpro> but there are other options if you want to be brave
[21:45] <inetpro> look at poppler-utils for example
[21:45] <inetpro> aptitude show poppler-utils
[21:47] <magespawn> that looks very useful
[21:48] <inetpro> or look at http://askubuntu.com/questions/162037/how-to-edit-pdfs
[21:51]  * magespawn makes a note to follow those up in the morning
[21:52] <magespawn> cool beans, thanks inetpro \
[21:52] <inetpro> you're welcome
[21:52]  * inetpro turns the lights off
[21:52] <magespawn> good night
[21:53] <inetpro> good night