[04:20] <madd0g37> hi all
[05:52] <rritoch> Problem solved, I needed to delete ~/.local/share/kscreen . This bug was apparently already reported https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343674
[06:34] <MichaelP> Just upgraded plasma 5.4.2 to 5.4.3 now where can i find Qt 5.5.1 ?
[06:38] <MichaelP> Never mind found it ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/backup-qt551
[08:45] <nolsen> Is it normal for the kubuntu installation to take a long time on doing the next time?
[08:45] <nolsen> next step*
[09:38] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:01] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:02] <BluesKaj> Hi sick_rimmit`, hazamonzo
[12:06] <Odur> Hi BluesKaj
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Hi Odur
[12:14] <hazamonzo> BluesKaj: Hey there!
[12:15] <BluesKaj> 0/
[13:28] <k819k> Hi , i was trying to install minimal version of KDE (kde-plasma-desktop as described here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) but i get Unable to locate package kde-plasma-desktop.How do I install this?
[13:33] <h9xnotebook> hello
[13:33] <h9xnotebook> can any one help me
[13:36] <BluesKaj> no instant gratifiaction here
[14:34] <reaper_x> hello everyone :)
[14:41] <BluesKaj> hi reaper_x
[14:55] <rly> I don't have any window decoration for some reason. How can I enable those? It's as if plasma just doesn't work.
[15:01] <Grandson> hello world, maybe you could lend a hand.  Im looking for a distro for grandma, she's coming from XP.  She's the furthest from computer savvy.  After a few environments I abandoned the idea of pre-builds and settled on wmii with Arch Linux, and this time around likely dwb.  I have zero experience with a KDE environment, but understand the difficulty for ludites switching and the many differences between OSs.  Would you recommend Ku
[15:02] <rly> Grandson: Debian Stable with XFCE4 preconfigured or Mac OS X.
[15:02] <rly> Grandson: or just stay with Windows, as she is old and all.
[15:03] <rly> Grandson: "KDE" is way too unstable for my taste to be left alone with non-technical people.
[15:03] <rly> (Gnome is just an abonimation)
[15:05] <Grandson> My general thought is something that auto updates and is not a massive security risk...  I think I actually upgraded it to XP from ME she was using for years.  I wasnt sure, but I did think KDE may be too technical, I know that Gnome is a switchers nightmare and she didnt like my description of it off the top.  I also find gnome now to be a bit resource heavy
[15:06] <Grandson> Doesnt help that her computer is worse off than the shitty Vaio netbook I turned into a little powerhouse.  I love grandma, but not enough to build a custom environment > v <
[15:07] <rly> Grandson: one other piece of advice: do not change the desktop every few years.
[15:07] <rly> Grandson: they generally hate that.
[15:07] <rly> Grandson: or just buy an ipad.
[15:07] <Grandson> Lmao yea, she didnt notice with XP other than it was faster and crashed less :D
[15:07] <rly> Grandson: it's not like they want to use more features than that.
[15:08] <Grandson> Yea shes got a lenovo, but damned if I can convince her to do anything more than solitaire on it
[15:08] <rly> Grandson: old people love those Apple devices.
[15:08] <rly> Grandson: see? More arguments to not give her a real computer.
[15:08] <rly> Grandson: she is just a consumer and perhaps writes an e-mail.
[15:08] <rly> Grandson: or Skypes, etc.
[15:09] <rly> Grandson: old people don't care about the standard shell or whether you can install Cygwin ;)
[15:09] <rly> They just want to *use* the device.
[15:10] <rly> They don't generally know that a machine comes out of the store in a pretty useless state without any configuration.
[15:12] <Grandson> lol Yea thats about it, email, and copious online purchases, of which when I walk by I still have to tell her to use firefox equiped with HTTPS everywhere.  Ive been thinking about grabbing one of those monocle styled restrictive OSs the forces everything on her, a premise of computer nowadays I very much opposed but for her pushed updates would be a good thing.  Id grab windows 10 if her computer would support it, but Im not usre 
[15:18] <Grandson> I don't know irc too well, so apologies for bad format rly.  Thanks for the info
[16:25] <MichaelP> How do i stop 15.10 from annoying me with popping up fglrx driver ready to install ?
[16:26] <rly> MichaelP: install an operating system with better configuration options, like NixOS.
[16:26] <rly> MichaelP: or if that's not what you wanted to hear, find the pid of the window.
[16:26] <rly> MichaelP: then find the package name via apt-file.
[16:27] <MichaelP> rly: i am on NixoS Kubuntu 15.10
[16:27] <rly> MichaelP: that makes no sense.
[16:27] <rly> MichaelP: then uninstall that package.
[16:27] <rly> MichaelP: NixOS is the name of an operating system, like Ubuntu also is.
[16:28] <rly> MichaelP: in my experience all the addon Ubuntu crap is well... crap.
[16:28] <MichaelP> Ubuntu is the worst... Everything built off it is better
[16:29] <rly> MichaelP: Debian is also better.
[16:29] <rly> MichaelP: but even Debian packagers make mistakes.
[16:29] <MichaelP> of course debian is
[16:29] <rly> MichaelP: I prefer to run a system with as little human involvement as possible.
[16:29] <rly> MichaelP: unless I know who those people actually are.
[16:29] <MichaelP> what package do i remove to stop thise notifications
[16:30] <rly> MichaelP: I gave you the instructions to do that.
[16:30] <rly> MichaelP: just Google until you understand what my instructions are.
[16:30] <rly> MichaelP: a machine would be able to understand these instructions in two decades.
[16:30] <rly> MichaelP:so, good luck.
[16:30] <MichaelP> Im use to arch for the last year... Just giving something else a shot
[17:43] <odmen> vd
[19:10] <gh0st1ng> hey guys, any way to get the front audio jack working togheter with the back audio jack?
[19:18] <Algot> Apologies. Long time absent. Recent Kubuntu 15.10 install. What is Meta Key? Win does not seem to work.
[19:19] <Algot> Want to be able to do accents easily and it used to work for me in older Kubuntu versions.
[19:19] <lordievader> Meta is the Windows key, indeed.
[19:20] <lordievader> The compose key is disabled by default, iirc.
[19:26] <Algot> :lordievader thank you. I tracked it down in system settings. I'm back in business.
[20:37] <nolsen> I keep having a problem with KDE, it keeps crashing with a segfault error, for plasma and some other thing that I forgot.
[20:41] <nolsen> and the slow login.
[21:30] <zleap> anyone here,
[21:52] <clivejo> hi zleap
[21:52] <zleap> hi
[21:52] <clivejo> how are you?
[21:52] <zleap> i am just seeting if someoe can help jubo2 with the temp / fan control issues
[21:52] <zleap> clivejo:  i am good thanks
[21:53] <xixor> awwww yeah, wassup nerds
[21:53] <zleap> jubo2: says there is a problem with how kubuntu handles temperature sensing and fan control, as in the cpu overheats
[21:54] <xixor> is there a default way to launch dolphin with a keyboard shortcut?  Similar to windows+E in windows?
[21:55] <clivejo> jubo2 seems to be having a lot of issues with Kubuntu
[21:57] <clivejo> xixor: you could probably configure a shortcut for it
[21:57] <xixor> clivejo: yes, I do this every time I install kubuntu.  Just seems like one of the useability things that should be default.  The whole 'everything under the sun' is configuration gets tiresome the 40th time you do things
[21:58] <clivejo> System Settings > Shortcuts
[22:00] <xixor> alright, next question, how to reset kde/plasma settings?  the old mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.old no longer seems to work?
[22:03] <valorie> xixor: I wasn't here, can you say again what is the problem?
[22:04] <xixor> valorie: sup
[22:04] <xixor> valorie: no problem really
[22:04] <valorie> I couldn't connect to freenode for a couple of days on my bnc
[22:04] <valorie> so i"m here without it
[22:04] <xixor> bnc?
[22:04] <valorie> and no backlog
[22:05] <valorie> it's a type of bouncer -- I connect to it; it connects to freenode
[22:05] <clivejo> valorie: is there a way to pipe the install with a config file to setup Kubuntu with a certain config?
[22:05] <valorie> only it wasn't
[22:05] <valorie> hmmm
[22:05] <clivejo> I know Ive heard of sys admins in uni's doing something like that
[22:05] <valorie> we set the defaults
[22:05] <valorie> but I think that is in kubuntu-settings or so
[22:06] <clivejo> xixor would like a default shortkey to launch dolphin
[22:06] <lordievader> clivejo: Suppose you could do that if you have a puppet infrastucture.
[22:06] <valorie> well, there is a way to roll your own ISO
[22:06] <valorie> !custom iso
[22:06] <valorie> !iso
[22:06] <valorie> pff
[22:06] <lordievader> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[22:07] <valorie> that's it, thanks lordievader
[22:07] <lordievader> ;) Got it among my favorites. Came in handy when I messed with netboot images.
[22:07] <clivejo> he also asked "how to reset kde/plasma settings?  the old mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.old no longer seems to work?"
[22:07] <clivejo> I just tend to create a new account :/
[22:07] <valorie> ah, they are now in ~/.config or ~/.local
[22:08] <xixor> .config seems to have a ton of settings
[22:08] <valorie> best to try to find the actual file and mv only that one
[22:08] <valorie> yes, it's default and we now follow it
[22:08] <xixor> so does one then pick and choose the particular file(s) that correspond to plasma/kde?
[22:08] <clivejo> xixor: is there something broken?
[22:08] <valorie> same with .local
[22:09] <xixor> clivejo: I'm interested in experiencing virgin kubuntu 15.10, which I just upgraded to, see what the raw, unaltered user experience is like
[22:09] <xixor> I guess I could just make a new user and login
[22:10] <valorie> that's the easiest, yeah
[22:10] <clivejo> Id create a new user
[22:11] <xixor> so, for my own user, my 2 year old son has had his way with this machine quite severely, and icons are all over the place, the taskbar is all messed up for example
[22:11] <xixor> so if I want to just reset kwin/plasma/kde settings only, I have to selectively identify the dozen or so files and directories in .config?
[22:12] <valorie> in general, yes
[22:12] <valorie> sometimes you can even just edit them
[22:12] <valorie> usually just text files
[22:13] <valorie> and surprisingly interesting and boring simultaneously
[22:13] <xixor> so, if for an existing user, if you wanted to start with a clean/wiped kde/plasma, there is no real way?
[22:14] <clivejo> that would be a question for the plasma channel I reckon
[22:17] <xixor> my comment about dolphin is just that, some level of standardization is useful.  Gaming on PCs got generally a lot better once every game settled on wasd+mouse, cntrl+jump,space activate, mouse look/shoot rather than inventing their own custom keyboard mappings
[22:18] <valorie> sure, although it would be good to do that at the KDE level
[22:18] <xixor> A prime example of this is alt+tab
[22:18] <valorie> rather than just Kub.
[22:19] <xixor> or meta+tab
[22:20] <xixor> sure, alt+tab, meta+tab, cntrl+tab and shift+tab behaviour are all completely customizable.  But rational defaults have been established to follow what almost everyone uses
[22:20] <xixor> imagine if every kde user had to go settings->shortcuts to configur alt+tab keyboard shortcuts on every kde/kubuntu installation
[22:21] <nolsen> I keep having a problem with KDE, it keeps crashing with a segfault error, for plasma and some other thing that I forgot.
[22:21] <nolsen> and the slow login.
[22:23] <clivejo> my main "short code is ALT+SPACE#
[22:23] <clivejo> that gives me access to everything I want
[22:24] <xixor> cmd+space triggers spotlight in osx, so there is cross-platform standardization there as well
[22:24] <clivejo> Alt + Space then Do gets me doplhin
[22:25] <xixor> cmd/alt+space is becoming the universal standard for "search for shit"
[22:25] <clivejo> very handy :)
[22:25] <xixor> only problem is it requires two hands to do quickly
[22:26] <clivejo> my keyboard it just takes two fingers
[22:26] <clivejo> are you a one finger typer?
[22:26] <xixor> if you have one hand on the mouse for instance, on a qwerty keyboard, alt+space d,o requires quite a bit of movement
[22:28] <xixor> but anyhoo, you have reaffirmed my experiences of discussing useability issues of linux with linux users
[22:28] <xixor> cheers
[22:30] <nolsen> I don't see it as good as just pulling up start menu and start typing
[22:30] <nolsen> Maybe because I'm used to searching shit through a start menu (windows)
[22:32] <nolsen> wtf, plasmashell was using a chunk of my RAM, killing it frees about a GB of RAM.
[22:33] <valorie> best is krunner: alt+space, start typing
[22:33] <valorie> no mousing needed
[22:33] <nolsen> But is anyone having sigterm problems related with plasmashell?
[22:33] <clivejo> I wonder will Mycroft actually deliver
[22:34] <nolsen> Because randomly it crashes with a sigterm error.
[22:36] <clivejo> nolsen: not I
[22:37] <valorie> me either -- no crashes of plasma for .... 18 months or so
[22:37] <nolsen> What version you using?
[22:37] <valorie> used to crash frequently
[22:37] <nolsen> How did you fix it?
[22:37] <valorie> 15.10 on this box, Xenial on my travel laptop
[22:37] <nolsen> Now I have another problem, it's using a lot of RAM.
[22:38] <valorie> very early 16.04
[22:38] <valorie> nolsen: update, update, update
[22:38] <nolsen> I have 5.4.3
[22:38] <nolsen> plasmashell 5.4.3
[22:38] <nolsen> valorie: It's the latest according to APT
[22:40] <valorie>  
[22:40] <valorie> $ plasmashell --version
[22:40] <valorie> plasmashell 5.4.3
[22:40] <valorie> often it isn't plasma causing the crash, but drivers
[22:41] <bprompt> *cough*
[22:42] <bprompt> nolsen:    methinks your issue, as valorie pointed out, is a matter of the drivers shipped, and your hardware compatibility
[22:42] <nolsen> Well, I thought I installed flgrx or whatever it's called for my AMD APU
[22:45] <nolsen> Does it not have good support with AMD?
[22:45] <nolsen> s/flgrx/fglrx
[22:46] <bprompt> dunno... on the amd drivers myself, for one I run an intel chipset and 12.04, and runs smooth :)
[22:48] <valorie> I also have intel
[23:18] <Algot>  /part
[23:40] <BanHammo_> Hello. My NVidia doesn't recognize the CRT i connected to it via a DVI/D-Sub connector
[23:41] <BanHammo_> and only suggests 640x480 mode for it
[23:41] <BanHammo_> Can I solve this somehow?
[23:43] <valorie> hmmm, doesn't sound like a KDE or Kubuntu problem...
[23:43] <valorie> np, you left before an answer
[23:43] <valorie> whatevs
[23:46] <bprompt> yet another drive-by
[23:46] <bprompt> hehehe
[23:46] <clivejo> probably expected an answer yesterday
[23:47] <bprompt> well, he/she's over at #ubuntu now =)
[23:47] <finetundra> I don't think CRT's get above that do they?
[23:48] <bprompt> CRT monitors?   I think they have even bigger resolutions than flatscreens