[04:20] hi all === jman is now known as Guest37915 === AntiSpamMeta2 is now known as AntiSpamMeta [05:52] Problem solved, I needed to delete ~/.local/share/kscreen . This bug was apparently already reported https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343674 [05:52] KDE bug 343674 in general "Plasma is brought down by libqxcb segfaults with the screen locked & switched off" [Grave,Needsinfo: waitingforinfo] === mtux_ is now known as mtux [06:34] Just upgraded plasma 5.4.2 to 5.4.3 now where can i find Qt 5.5.1 ? [06:38] Never mind found it ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/backup-qt551 === kubuntu is now known as Guest76564 === m4v- is now known as m4v === jayhunold is now known as jhunold === Steffstoff is now known as Guest96452 [08:45] Is it normal for the kubuntu installation to take a long time on doing the next time? [08:45] next step* [09:38] Good morning. === JeZxLee_ is now known as JeZxLee [12:01] Hiyas all [12:02] Hi sick_rimmit`, hazamonzo [12:06] Hi BluesKaj [12:07] Hi Odur [12:14] BluesKaj: Hey there! [12:15] 0/ [13:28] Hi , i was trying to install minimal version of KDE (kde-plasma-desktop as described here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) but i get Unable to locate package kde-plasma-desktop.How do I install this? [13:33] hello [13:33] can any one help me [13:36] no instant gratifiaction here [14:34] hello everyone :) [14:41] hi reaper_x [14:55] I don't have any window decoration for some reason. How can I enable those? It's as if plasma just doesn't work. [15:01] hello world, maybe you could lend a hand. Im looking for a distro for grandma, she's coming from XP. She's the furthest from computer savvy. After a few environments I abandoned the idea of pre-builds and settled on wmii with Arch Linux, and this time around likely dwb. I have zero experience with a KDE environment, but understand the difficulty for ludites switching and the many differences between OSs. Would you recommend Ku [15:02] Grandson: Debian Stable with XFCE4 preconfigured or Mac OS X. [15:02] Grandson: or just stay with Windows, as she is old and all. [15:03] Grandson: "KDE" is way too unstable for my taste to be left alone with non-technical people. [15:03] (Gnome is just an abonimation) [15:05] My general thought is something that auto updates and is not a massive security risk... I think I actually upgraded it to XP from ME she was using for years. I wasnt sure, but I did think KDE may be too technical, I know that Gnome is a switchers nightmare and she didnt like my description of it off the top. I also find gnome now to be a bit resource heavy [15:06] Doesnt help that her computer is worse off than the shitty Vaio netbook I turned into a little powerhouse. I love grandma, but not enough to build a custom environment > v < [15:07] Grandson: one other piece of advice: do not change the desktop every few years. [15:07] Grandson: they generally hate that. [15:07] Grandson: or just buy an ipad. [15:07] Lmao yea, she didnt notice with XP other than it was faster and crashed less :D [15:07] Grandson: it's not like they want to use more features than that. [15:08] Yea shes got a lenovo, but damned if I can convince her to do anything more than solitaire on it [15:08] Grandson: old people love those Apple devices. [15:08] Grandson: see? More arguments to not give her a real computer. [15:08] Grandson: she is just a consumer and perhaps writes an e-mail. [15:08] Grandson: or Skypes, etc. [15:09] Grandson: old people don't care about the standard shell or whether you can install Cygwin ;) [15:09] They just want to *use* the device. [15:10] They don't generally know that a machine comes out of the store in a pretty useless state without any configuration. [15:12] lol Yea thats about it, email, and copious online purchases, of which when I walk by I still have to tell her to use firefox equiped with HTTPS everywhere. Ive been thinking about grabbing one of those monocle styled restrictive OSs the forces everything on her, a premise of computer nowadays I very much opposed but for her pushed updates would be a good thing. Id grab windows 10 if her computer would support it, but Im not usre [15:18] I don't know irc too well, so apologies for bad format rly. Thanks for the info [16:25] How do i stop 15.10 from annoying me with popping up fglrx driver ready to install ? [16:26] MichaelP: install an operating system with better configuration options, like NixOS. [16:26] MichaelP: or if that's not what you wanted to hear, find the pid of the window. [16:26] MichaelP: then find the package name via apt-file. [16:27] rly: i am on NixoS Kubuntu 15.10 [16:27] MichaelP: that makes no sense. [16:27] MichaelP: then uninstall that package. [16:27] MichaelP: NixOS is the name of an operating system, like Ubuntu also is. [16:28] MichaelP: in my experience all the addon Ubuntu crap is well... crap. [16:28] Ubuntu is the worst... Everything built off it is better [16:29] MichaelP: Debian is also better. [16:29] MichaelP: but even Debian packagers make mistakes. [16:29] of course debian is [16:29] MichaelP: I prefer to run a system with as little human involvement as possible. [16:29] MichaelP: unless I know who those people actually are. [16:29] what package do i remove to stop thise notifications [16:30] MichaelP: I gave you the instructions to do that. [16:30] MichaelP: just Google until you understand what my instructions are. [16:30] MichaelP: a machine would be able to understand these instructions in two decades. [16:30] MichaelP:so, good luck. [16:30] Im use to arch for the last year... Just giving something else a shot === tomas_ is now known as Guest83343 [17:43] vd === tao is now known as gh0st1ng [19:10] hey guys, any way to get the front audio jack working togheter with the back audio jack? [19:18] Apologies. Long time absent. Recent Kubuntu 15.10 install. What is Meta Key? Win does not seem to work. [19:19] Want to be able to do accents easily and it used to work for me in older Kubuntu versions. [19:19] Meta is the Windows key, indeed. [19:20] The compose key is disabled by default, iirc. [19:26] :lordievader thank you. I tracked it down in system settings. I'm back in business. === it is now known as Guest64765 [20:37] I keep having a problem with KDE, it keeps crashing with a segfault error, for plasma and some other thing that I forgot. [20:41] and the slow login. === Steffstoff is now known as Guest20215 === vincent is now known as Guest11231 [21:30] anyone here, === WildPikachu is now known as WidlPukachi === WidlPukachi is now known as WidlPakuchi [21:52] hi zleap [21:52] hi [21:52] how are you? [21:52] i am just seeting if someoe can help jubo2 with the temp / fan control issues [21:52] clivejo: i am good thanks [21:53] awwww yeah, wassup nerds [21:53] jubo2: says there is a problem with how kubuntu handles temperature sensing and fan control, as in the cpu overheats [21:54] is there a default way to launch dolphin with a keyboard shortcut? Similar to windows+E in windows? [21:55] jubo2 seems to be having a lot of issues with Kubuntu [21:57] xixor: you could probably configure a shortcut for it [21:57] clivejo: yes, I do this every time I install kubuntu. Just seems like one of the useability things that should be default. The whole 'everything under the sun' is configuration gets tiresome the 40th time you do things [21:58] System Settings > Shortcuts [22:00] alright, next question, how to reset kde/plasma settings? the old mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.old no longer seems to work? [22:03] xixor: I wasn't here, can you say again what is the problem? [22:04] valorie: sup [22:04] valorie: no problem really [22:04] I couldn't connect to freenode for a couple of days on my bnc [22:04] so i"m here without it [22:04] bnc? [22:04] and no backlog [22:05] it's a type of bouncer -- I connect to it; it connects to freenode [22:05] valorie: is there a way to pipe the install with a config file to setup Kubuntu with a certain config? [22:05] only it wasn't [22:05] hmmm [22:05] I know Ive heard of sys admins in uni's doing something like that [22:05] we set the defaults [22:05] but I think that is in kubuntu-settings or so [22:06] xixor would like a default shortkey to launch dolphin [22:06] clivejo: Suppose you could do that if you have a puppet infrastucture. [22:06] well, there is a way to roll your own ISO [22:06] !custom iso [22:06] !iso [22:06] To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning. [22:06] pff [22:06] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization [22:07] that's it, thanks lordievader [22:07] ;) Got it among my favorites. Came in handy when I messed with netboot images. [22:07] he also asked "how to reset kde/plasma settings? the old mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.old no longer seems to work?" [22:07] I just tend to create a new account :/ [22:07] ah, they are now in ~/.config or ~/.local [22:08] .config seems to have a ton of settings [22:08] best to try to find the actual file and mv only that one [22:08] yes, it's default and we now follow it [22:08] so does one then pick and choose the particular file(s) that correspond to plasma/kde? [22:08] xixor: is there something broken? [22:08] same with .local [22:09] clivejo: I'm interested in experiencing virgin kubuntu 15.10, which I just upgraded to, see what the raw, unaltered user experience is like [22:09] I guess I could just make a new user and login [22:10] that's the easiest, yeah [22:10] Id create a new user [22:11] so, for my own user, my 2 year old son has had his way with this machine quite severely, and icons are all over the place, the taskbar is all messed up for example [22:11] so if I want to just reset kwin/plasma/kde settings only, I have to selectively identify the dozen or so files and directories in .config? [22:12] in general, yes [22:12] sometimes you can even just edit them [22:12] usually just text files [22:13] and surprisingly interesting and boring simultaneously [22:13] so, if for an existing user, if you wanted to start with a clean/wiped kde/plasma, there is no real way? [22:14] that would be a question for the plasma channel I reckon [22:17] my comment about dolphin is just that, some level of standardization is useful. Gaming on PCs got generally a lot better once every game settled on wasd+mouse, cntrl+jump,space activate, mouse look/shoot rather than inventing their own custom keyboard mappings [22:18] sure, although it would be good to do that at the KDE level [22:18] A prime example of this is alt+tab [22:18] rather than just Kub. [22:19] or meta+tab [22:20] sure, alt+tab, meta+tab, cntrl+tab and shift+tab behaviour are all completely customizable. But rational defaults have been established to follow what almost everyone uses [22:20] imagine if every kde user had to go settings->shortcuts to configur alt+tab keyboard shortcuts on every kde/kubuntu installation [22:21] I keep having a problem with KDE, it keeps crashing with a segfault error, for plasma and some other thing that I forgot. [22:21] and the slow login. [22:23] my main "short code is ALT+SPACE# [22:23] that gives me access to everything I want [22:24] cmd+space triggers spotlight in osx, so there is cross-platform standardization there as well [22:24] Alt + Space then Do gets me doplhin [22:25] cmd/alt+space is becoming the universal standard for "search for shit" [22:25] very handy :) [22:25] only problem is it requires two hands to do quickly [22:26] my keyboard it just takes two fingers [22:26] are you a one finger typer? [22:26] if you have one hand on the mouse for instance, on a qwerty keyboard, alt+space d,o requires quite a bit of movement [22:28] but anyhoo, you have reaffirmed my experiences of discussing useability issues of linux with linux users [22:28] cheers [22:30] I don't see it as good as just pulling up start menu and start typing [22:30] Maybe because I'm used to searching shit through a start menu (windows) [22:32] wtf, plasmashell was using a chunk of my RAM, killing it frees about a GB of RAM. [22:33] best is krunner: alt+space, start typing [22:33] no mousing needed [22:33] But is anyone having sigterm problems related with plasmashell? [22:33] I wonder will Mycroft actually deliver [22:34] Because randomly it crashes with a sigterm error. [22:36] nolsen: not I [22:37] me either -- no crashes of plasma for .... 18 months or so [22:37] What version you using? [22:37] used to crash frequently [22:37] How did you fix it? [22:37] 15.10 on this box, Xenial on my travel laptop [22:37] Now I have another problem, it's using a lot of RAM. [22:38] very early 16.04 [22:38] nolsen: update, update, update [22:38] I have 5.4.3 [22:38] plasmashell 5.4.3 [22:38] valorie: It's the latest according to APT [22:40] [22:40] $ plasmashell --version [22:40] plasmashell 5.4.3 [22:40] often it isn't plasma causing the crash, but drivers [22:41] *cough* [22:42] nolsen: methinks your issue, as valorie pointed out, is a matter of the drivers shipped, and your hardware compatibility [22:42] Well, I thought I installed flgrx or whatever it's called for my AMD APU [22:45] Does it not have good support with AMD? [22:45] s/flgrx/fglrx [22:46] dunno... on the amd drivers myself, for one I run an intel chipset and 12.04, and runs smooth :) [22:48] I also have intel [23:18] /part === oleg is now known as Guest59348 === Guest59348 is now known as BanHammo_ [23:40] Hello. My NVidia doesn't recognize the CRT i connected to it via a DVI/D-Sub connector [23:41] and only suggests 640x480 mode for it [23:41] Can I solve this somehow? [23:43] hmmm, doesn't sound like a KDE or Kubuntu problem... [23:43] np, you left before an answer [23:43] whatevs [23:46] yet another drive-by [23:46] hehehe [23:46] probably expected an answer yesterday [23:47] well, he/she's over at #ubuntu now =) [23:47] I don't think CRT's get above that do they? [23:48] CRT monitors? I think they have even bigger resolutions than flatscreens