[01:19] <daftykins> EriC^^: 'tis a long shift! how's you? :)
[01:23] <Bashing-om> I be look'n how I can take up the slack .. Just about cinched in .
[02:52] <EriC^^> daftykins: hey, i'm ok, you?
[09:39] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:59] <TJ-> Would anyone happen to have, or have used, an Asus K8V SE Deluxe mobo. It allegedly has a talking POST (Power On Self Test) ability even if the CPU is missing, and I'm trying to play about with one not able to get it to talk to me :)
[11:00] <cfhowlett> talking as in ... TALKING?
[11:01] <TJ-> Yeah! It has a Winbond chip onboard that apparently stores sampled audio and plays it out based on the system's POST code numbers when there's a failure. There's even Windows software to replace the default messages with your own
[11:01] <TJ-> I want to pull a stunt on someone ... give them the board and have ot say things to them even without the CPU onboard :p
[11:02] <cfhowlett> you, sir, are a sick and twisted individual ... :)
[11:02]  * TJ- sniggers evilly
[11:03] <TJ-> But rather like our Huskies, this mobo is refusing to howl - Oooo! now there's an idea, a howling mobo :D
[12:02] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:29] <TJ-> well that was fun - just being playing cops and robbers chasing some people hare-coursing on the fields, cops are persuing them by road now
[13:16] <pauljw> mornin'
[13:24] <BluesKaj> 'Morning pauljw
[13:25] <pauljw> hi BluesKaj
[13:27] <BluesKaj> it seems a shame that Kubuntu 16.04 takes 2 mins from grub to the login screen on my new Samsung EVO 256Gb SSD . it was really fast booying until a week ago after some upgrade mucked up the systemd start
[13:28] <pauljw> ouch, that is a shame
[13:28] <BluesKaj> I see the benefits of the speed after booting when switch apps etc , but booting is a mess
[13:30] <pauljw> upgrades scare me, i had one this week that messed up my virtualbox
[13:30] <BluesKaj> there are 2 /30 sec delays in the syslog with no data in between either of them, so there's no way of knowing what th eporblem is there
[13:31] <BluesKaj> the problem
[13:32] <BluesKaj> 14.04 is still nice and fast , but it's on an older spinner HDD
[13:32] <pauljw> :)
[13:34] <BluesKaj> IMO 14.04 is the last decent Kubuntu OS ...plasma 5 has been nothing but a problem for me
[13:35] <pauljw> that's a bummer, i always liked KDE.  does seem to be getting quite bloated lately.
[13:36] <pauljw> my wife and daughter are on PCLinuxOS using KDE and so far it's going well for them.
[13:38] <BluesKaj> good, nice to hear the ladies are using linux too. Wife is a W7 user and doesn't plan to change, besides her fav games aren't in the steam stable
[13:40] <BluesKaj> my daughter used Kubuntu for a while on a laptop I gave her, but now she's on a new W10 laptop and seems to like it.
[13:41] <pauljw> my daughter took to linux like water but it took me years to convince my wife to let me switch her to linux.  none of us are big gamers.  daughter is into art and does freehand, then scans in to gimp for coloring and manipulation.  taught herself gimp and is getting real good at  it.
[13:41] <BluesKaj> pauljw, what's PCLinux OS forked from?
[13:41] <pauljw> crap...
[13:41] <pauljw> can't remember
[13:42] <pauljw> mandrake is all i can think of but not sure if that's a distro or a software name
[13:43] <BluesKaj> Mandrake Linux (now Mandriva Linux).
[13:44] <pauljw> :) that's the one...
[13:44] <BluesKaj> rpm package management.... not my cuppa tea, but if it works ....
[13:45] <BluesKaj> who's to argue :-)
[13:46] <pauljw> yeah, seems to work ok, and they have it set up to utilize apt-get so it's easy for me to remotely keep them updated and not confuse myself
[13:49] <TJ-> BluesKaj: systemd provides specfic tooling to identify delays
[13:49] <TJ-> BluesKaj: "systemd-analyze blame"
[13:58] <BluesKaj> TJ-, sytemd-analyse: Startup finished in 11.609s (kernel) + 3min 635ms (userspace) = 3min 12.245s
[13:59] <BluesKaj> looks about right, from grub to desktop, over 3mins
[14:01] <TJ-> BluesKaj: did you use "blame" to see what was using the time?
[14:02] <BluesKaj> nothing shows,  all actions are in ms
[14:04] <BluesKaj> except for the first few, they add up to 10secs total
[14:09] <TJ-> BluesKaj: can you "pastebinit <( systemd-analyze blame )"
[14:11] <BluesKaj> TJ-, http://pastebin.com/aAxkPfMe
[14:13] <TJ-> BluesKaj: are there any remote network file-system mounts declared in fstab?
[14:14] <BluesKaj> not remote , just my outboard drive
[14:16] <TJ-> but that PC is operating a samba AD ?
[14:18] <BluesKaj> TJ-, i can pastebin the syslog if you wish
[14:18] <BluesKaj> but it's huge
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[14:18] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[14:19] <TJ-> BluesKaj: sure, if it has timestamps... how about find where the last boot started and paste from there?
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> hi TJ-
[14:19] <BluesKaj> TJ-, ok
[14:20] <pauljw> hi lotuspsychje
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> hey pauljw
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> anyone of you guys knows a free logo designer online?
[14:24] <pauljw> sorry, no
[14:25] <pauljw> brb
[14:30] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: logo design is pretty easy with thinks like Inkscape (SVG)
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: but its nice to have it show business style right :p
[14:31] <BluesKaj> TJ-, http://pastebin.com/dvjG5upY , looks like a couple of uuids are troublesome but not until the end
[14:36] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: not disagreeing - just saying you an generate some very good logos using SVG and Inkscape, I've used it many times for such things. SVG scales to whatever resolutions you need
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: ok ill look it tru
[14:39] <TJ-> BluesKaj: nothing wrong there. Starts at 08:11.20 and finishes at 08:11.33 - after that it's the KDE stuff
[14:39] <TJ-> BluesKaj: probably you've got that plasma delay bug
[14:41] <TJ-> that timeout for the swap device might delay things, but everything else in the log doesn't indicate it is doing so
[14:41] <pauljw> TJ-: does 14.04 not have a complete systemd config?  the analyze blame doesn't work for me
[14:42] <BluesKaj> TJ-, damn plasma 5, it's nothing but a mess IMO
[14:42] <TJ-> BluesKaj: "QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave."
[14:42] <TJ-> pauljw: introduced in 15.04; 14.04 only uses systemd-login
[14:42] <pauljw> ah, thanks
[14:43] <BluesKaj> yeah , 14.104 is till on plasma 4
[14:43] <BluesKaj> err 14.04 even
[14:43] <TJ-> BluesKaj: yeah, this is 1 of the main reasons I didn't volunteer to work on Kubuntu - I was told by sitter they only do packaging and don't carry bug fixes in the distro - so the entire thing is beholden to upstream
[14:44] <TJ-> And from what I've seen the actual, useful, code is often half-baked and buggy
[14:45] <TJ-> Even stupid amateur things like not remembering the directory a File>Save-As dialog was opened at, which makes the user experience terrible
[14:47] <TJ-> Got frustrated by that one with GwenView earlier, trying to copy individual CCTV capture files from the camera's NFS share
[14:50] <BluesKaj> like I said earlier , seems 14.04 Kubuntu is tha last best
[14:55] <TJ-> I'm not sure the KDE4 apps took care of things like Save-As either. It seems to be the devs are more interesting in glitzy effects than regular good efficient user workflow and experience.
[15:48] <pauljw> brb
[17:15] <MonkeyDust> yes
[17:15] <MonkeyDust> but no
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: yes
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> someone wants a w10 theme :p http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/windows-10-accurate-theme-released-for-almost-all-major-linux-desktops-496831.shtml
[18:09] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje  gonna try that in my 16.04 vm
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:10] <MonkeyDust> :)
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> brb laundry
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> re
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: do you have a working eid card reader on ubuntu?
[19:33] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje  no, but a lady in my evening class has one, i'll ask her
[19:33] <MonkeyDust> also for ubuntu
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: tnx, if you can let me know wich type/brand
[19:33] <MonkeyDust> ok
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> thanks
[20:03] <MonkeyDust> she also has working drivers, she said
[20:04] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: nice, JanC explained me the other day some chip works on ubuntu
[20:04] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: as we have same country, thought to ask you too :p
[20:06] <MonkeyDust> Belgium, 'the world's most boring country', is on the frontpages again ;-)
[20:06] <lotuspsychje> haha
[20:06] <lotuspsychje> big wafle sales!!!
[20:06] <lotuspsychje> or do you mean another headline ? :p
[20:08] <MonkeyDust> last time was in 1995 or -96, with that child abusing criminal
[20:08] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:17] <lotuspsychje> !usn
[21:17] <lotuspsychje> there was a recent dpkg exploit, everyone update to latest
[21:23] <TJ-> If there any of those 'old style' packages in the archives I'd be surprised, and there's no privilege escalation, only software dev's will generally be using 'dpkg-deb'
[21:27] <lotuspsychje> yeah well i rather keep updated :p
[21:29] <TJ-> agreed, but it's not an OMG! stop everything type of vulnerability. I'm rather suprised more such bugs aren't found in the dpk tooling, the code is a bit ropey from what I've seen
[21:29] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[21:29] <lotuspsychje> my god that motaka enervates me
[21:29] <lotuspsychje> all this repeated questions
[21:33] <TJ-> He's Iranian, and a novice, and dealing with something way beyond his experience with blind trust in us
[21:33] <lotuspsychje> seems like it
[21:34] <TJ-> that's why I focused on getting the remote SSH working via PuTTY, and checking things careful, because the symptoms were so weird. Glad you guys figured out it was an aborted d-r-u
[21:34] <lotuspsychje> yeah ioria got that1 i think
[21:36] <TJ-> it really does explain why the system got into such a strange state. I don't think I've seen a system that didn't regain the greeter GUI when lightdm is restarted.
[21:36] <lotuspsychje> yeah thats real weird
[21:36] <lotuspsychje> that 2500sec lag in conf
[21:39] <TJ-> times like these I reall mis hands-on
[21:40] <lotuspsychje> remote take-over?
[21:41] <TJ-> being in front of the system for that kind of issue. I've had those described as 'black screen' only to find the monitor has gone DPMS off, or the GPU is driving an imaginary monitor, or the monitor is blinking its out-of-range LED
[21:42] <lotuspsychje> yeah i also like the real system in front of me
[21:42] <lotuspsychje> and find a way in
[21:42] <lotuspsychje> mostly clean install fix alot :p
[21:42] <TJ-> classic one is where there are dual outputs and the user has connected the monitor to the secondary output, but the GPU is driving the first only once the X server starts. Up to them both outputs are getting the console output so its not obvious
[21:43] <lotuspsychje> big thumbs up to the guys that always work over ssh to straighten things out :p
[21:43] <lotuspsychje> i wouldnt like that :p
[21:43] <TJ-> On reason I love linux and the logging; you can almost guarantee finding clues in the logs
[21:44] <TJ-> so remote works even when there's no GUI. Impossible on Windows when the GUI goes funny, or log-ins crash
[21:44] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[21:45] <TJ-> anyhow... I've got a talking motherboard here with a fault power driver circuit I need to trace
[21:45] <lotuspsychje> ok :p
[22:04] <lotuspsychje> nite nite guys
[22:05] <lotuspsychje> boxspring awaiting us
[22:30] <daftykins> ah har freenode has calmed down
[23:19] <daftykins> hey folks \o
[23:19] <daftykins> looks like Kornbluth in Germany took a hit last night, taking me offline!