| zequence | OvenWerk1: Maybe it will take me more than a day to sync with Xubuntu. I started looking at default settings. | 09:10 |
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| zequence | I'm doing other things today as well | 09:10 |
| zequence | A note to myself, or anyone else. The Xubuntu maintenance script, debian/xubuntu-default-settings.maintscript has some stuff in it that we may or may not want to include | 09:30 |
| zequence | One change they did was rename /etc/lighdm/lightdm.conf.d/10-xubuntu.conf to /<path>/50-xubuntu.conf | 09:32 |
| zequence | I'm adding that, but will check other settings later, if needed | 09:34 |
| zequence | OvenWerk1: I will not make changes to what is in /etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio/menus. Perhaps you would like to have a look at that once the new ISO is out (today, or Monday the latest), and see if you want to change something there | 09:52 |
| zequence | Ok, -default-settings is done, except for the .maintscript and the menu stuff. | 10:08 |
| zequence | I'll do the seeds later.. | 10:09 |
| zequence | Xubuntu has done more work on their core and desktop seeds, removing core stuff from desktop as it seems. We'll do the same, and this also means we could provide a -core desktop alternative to the full -desktop | 10:28 |
| zequence | Ok, all uploaded. Let's hope it works :). | 12:09 |
| zequence | Downloading latest ISO now. Been a while since there were any big surprises :P | 20:10 |
| zequence | Well, the studio icon is missing from the menu, at least | 20:51 |
| OvenWerk1 | zequence: That is really very minor.... well, it does mean config of the panel, which means we keep /etc/dxg/xdg_ubuntustudio/ | 20:54 |
| OvenWerk1 | zequence: which menu? | 20:55 |
| OvenWerk1 | zequence: which icon theme? | 20:55 |
| zequence | From the whisker menu button | 20:57 |
| zequence | Only did a quick run in VBox so far. | 20:58 |
| OvenWerk1 | zequence: That makes sense as whisker has different config from the panel menu. | 21:10 |
| OvenWerk1 | it does use the same xdg menu files though. | 21:11 |
| hanno | Hi. I have a question about packaging for Ubuntu and jackd. | 23:08 |
| hanno | I know that you guys are using jackd by default. | 23:09 |
| hanno | I'm trying to package Sonic Pi to .deb | 23:10 |
| hanno | That works, but the jackd stuff is a hurdle for users. | 23:10 |
| hanno | I wonder if Sonic Pi is using jackd the "right" way or not. | 23:11 |
| hanno | SP comes from the Raspberry Pi and there it works out of the box, but not on default Ubuntu. | 23:11 |
| hanno | I want to package that .deb so that it works out of the box on Debian, Ubuntu (all flavours) and Raspbian... | 23:11 |
| OvenWerk1 | hanno: linux is ALSA. Jackd or pulse or almost anything in the linux world needs ALSA at some point. | 23:17 |
| hanno | Sonic Pi relies on jackd. | 23:18 |
| OvenWerk1 | hanno: Really? jack is not trivial on the r-pi | 23:18 |
| hanno | Really. | 23:18 |
| hanno | Sonic Pi is an IDE to a ruby-based interpreter that makes sound through SuperCollider. And SuperCollider sends its audio to jackd. | 23:19 |
| OvenWerk1 | there are two jackd packages in ubuntu (or debian where the ubuntu packages come from): Jackd1 and jackd2 | 23:19 |
| OvenWerk1 | that makes sense. | 23:20 |
| hanno | You can try it yourself here: https://launchpad.net/~hzulla/+archive/ubuntu/sonic-pi/+packages | 23:20 |
| hanno | That's what I got so far. What I need now is some sort of review by other people who package audio-related software that needs jackd. | 23:21 |
| hanno | Who'd want to tell me how to get it "right". | 23:21 |
| OvenWerk1 | so depends need to be either/or for the two packages though to be honest many jack related packages in debian just look for jack2 and jack1 uninstalls a bunch if not done right. :P | 23:22 |
| hanno | I'm just a casual contributor. The Sonic Pi main developers write their stuff on OS X and test on the RPi. x86 Desktop Linux isn't their main target and thus it doesn't work perfectly. | 23:22 |
| OvenWerk1 | :) | 23:25 |
| hanno | The code starts jackd from inside the application https://github.com/samaaron/sonic-pi/blob/master/app/server/sonicpi/lib/sonicpi/scsynthexternal.rb | 23:25 |
| hanno | I'm not quite sure if this is "right", but know next to nothing about developing for jackd and so I'm asking here. | 23:25 |
| OvenWerk1 | killall is not very nice. The idea is that jack runs and clients don't turn it off or on, just use it if it is there. | 23:29 |
| OvenWerk1 | anyway, a killall jackd will not work. | 23:29 |
| hanno | Is there an Ubuntu .deb that shows how it's done right? | 23:29 |
| OvenWerk1 | you would need to killall -9 jackd jackdbus. | 23:29 |
| OvenWerk1 | There are some audio interfaces that will not start at all at 44100hz, most are designed for 48000 for best sound. | 23:30 |
| OvenWerk1 | A good reason to let the running jack handle things. | 23:31 |
| OvenWerk1 | Ah, I was looking at the rpi code, linux is below. | 23:33 |
| OvenWerk1 | you might try -n 2 or -p 1024 (not both) I know at least one of my audio IFs will not work above 2048 at 2 frames. | 23:37 |
| OvenWerk1 | buffer isn't big enough. | 23:37 |
| OvenWerk1 | hanno: Are you saying this script will not startjack? | 23:38 |
| * OvenWerk1 installs SC | 23:39 | |
| hanno | I'm more concernced if this is the right way to handle jackd. | 23:39 |
| * hanno got to go now. | 23:39 | |
| hanno | If you have suggestions about how to improve this, please send me an email (it's in the changelog) or write to the team via a github issue. | 23:40 |
| hanno | I'd be very thankful to find out how to make this thing more Linuxy. | 23:40 |
| OvenWerk1 | I would let the user run it, but it looks like it would work most of the time... -p 1024 I would go with. | 23:40 |
| hanno | We want to make this work out of the box and painlessly. | 23:42 |
| hanno | But that's not the case right now, except on RPi. | 23:42 |
| hanno | Thanks OvenWerk1! | 23:44 |
| OvenWerk1 | Ya, I can see that. Except on a distro with jack built in just getting it set up and understanding jack's limits is a pain. | 23:44 |
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