[00:21] <Azi_> Hello people! Anyone around that could help me get Ubuntu 15.10 installed on a laptop that boots from a 32-bit uefi exclusively? I am at my wits' end. It's the Asus X205TA, https://www.asus.com/us/Notebooks/ASUS_EeeBook_X205TA/specifications/
[00:22] <daftykins> the top google results discuss how to install and boot using 32-bit EFIs.
[00:22] <daftykins> also, you'll get more active users in #ubuntu - since it's midnight
[00:22] <Azi_> I know, I have read through all of them, this is  WIP for about 1.5 months now. I really cannot figure it out unfortunately.
[00:22] <Azi_> And you are probably right
[00:22] <Azi_> I'll move there then
[00:23] <daftykins> well it's really not that hard, definitely seen the answers all online
[00:23] <penguin42> 32bit UEFI is hard
[00:23] <penguin42> or at least it used to be
[00:23] <Azi_> To me it is anyway, I'm a bit of a newbie
[00:23] <Azi_> But if you are going to call me a noob please help me, otherwise please refrain from doing so :)
[00:24] <penguin42> hmm looks like people have automated bits of it at least
[00:24] <daftykins> nobody said noob and that's not how we are, Azi_
[00:25] <Azi_> Yes, Debian boots 32-bit efis natively using a special build. However it came with a kernel that is too old for the drivers that I need and installing a new one on the machine with make was impossible since it was not preinstalled. I tried dpkg -i the .debs but the deps just would not end
[00:25] <daftykins> yeah we're not gonna help with debian (:
[00:26] <Azi_> Sure, I did not expect you to
[00:27] <penguin42> daftykins: I'm not sure it's that easy; it looks like a case of having to copy an EFI file in and install 32bit grub
[00:28] <daftykins> yeah that's easy in my book
[00:28] <penguin42> if it works
[00:28] <daftykins> don't see why it wouldn't since methods are all over the bug pages + guides + blogs etc
[00:29] <penguin42> yeh
[00:29] <daftykins> user came back in #ubuntu anywho
[00:31] <penguin42> hmm never bought off aliexpress
[00:32] <penguin42> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/CHUWI-HI8-Dual-Boot-Android-4-4-Window8-1-IPS-8-0-Inch-1920-1200-Z3736F/32404202301.html  is way too good a spec
[00:33] <daftykins> cheap tat! cheap 'cause it's already been abandoned probably
[00:33] <daftykins> maybe that's fine if you're going to use ubuntu though :)
[00:33] <zmoylan-pi> or the keyboard comes without the letter e... :-)
[00:33] <penguin42> yeh it's an x86 with apparently a highres display
[00:34] <daftykins> after we were talking about those SSDs i found a 480GB for £70 delivered
[00:34] <zmoylan-pi> now that sounds pretty good, what manufacturer?
[00:34] <daftykins> it was mostly TLC based NAND though which is far from ideal
[00:35] <daftykins> SanDisk Ultra II it was
[00:35] <penguin42> daftykins: Yeh, but SanDisk normally know how to keep the bits on their flash
[00:36] <daftykins> i wouldn't think that a given since Samsung have been doing it longer and have had more issues with one of their models' firmware
[00:36] <daftykins> ugh that guy is not taking the hint about not PMing people
[00:37] <penguin42> longer than sandisk?
[00:40] <daftykins> yip
[00:40] <daftykins> i nearly went for it but decided no, now it's back up to £85 delivered i think
[00:40] <daftykins> spent way too much these past few days :>
[00:41] <zmoylan-pi> should be called red credit card bill day :-)
[00:41] <daftykins> or week!
[00:41] <daftykins> saw a very nice 2560x1440 27" Asus LCD on ebuyer.com for £160 though
[00:44] <penguin42> I've been kind of tempted by a 4k monitor, but it's kind of silly in the sense I've got a HD 22 and 24 on my desk, and an unopened 24 on the floor (that's been there for 18 months)
[00:45] <daftykins> :O
[00:45] <daftykins> i'd get annoyed using 2+ that aren't identical, due to the different colours etc
[00:45] <zmoylan-pi> you could hang it over the window and stream the outside when you want to look out? :-)
[00:45]  * penguin42 doesn't care, vi is good on both of them
[00:46] <daftykins> but only stream the summer!
[00:46] <zmoylan-pi> and have videos of rollercoasters and sea views for when visitors arrive
[00:47] <zmoylan-pi> watching the horizon whizzing around or sloping from side to side will trigger motion sickness in a few
[00:53] <daftykins> still got this funky NAS to play with
[00:53]  * zmoylan-pi listens to wind howl outside...
[00:58] <daftykins> alright, two intel SSDs with no partitions, surely that's enough for a little appliance NAS to take them over
[01:12] <daftykins> http://mybookworld.wikidot.com/ultra-fast-install-for-my-book-world-edition-i-and-ii-white
[01:12] <daftykins> ah-har so the NAS isn't bright enough to initialise disks by itself
[01:39] <daftykins> that's brilliant, full set of scripts for preparing the disks... just had to edit it to set 'sdx', serial numbers and its' MAC address... then it downloads the latest firmware from WD automatically and prepares the drive :D
[01:46] <penguin42> updating the firmware is an interesting trick
[01:46] <daftykins> nah not an update, it obtains a full copy of the original then extract it onto the disk with dd
[01:47] <daftykins> after partitioning
[01:50] <penguin42> oh is this NAS firmware or drive firmware?
[01:52] <intrbiz> I'd avoid Dell rebadged Sandisk SSDs, performance of them is pants compared to Crucial MX200 or Samsung 850 EVO
[01:56] <daftykins> penguin42: NAS yep
[01:58] <penguin42> ah ok
[01:59] <daftykins> oh my word it's back in action :D
[01:59] <daftykins> i've put 2 x 40GB intel SSDs in it
[02:00] <penguin42> 2x40 - huge :-)
[02:00] <daftykins> hehe
[02:00] <daftykins> they are the only spare drives i have identical for it to be tested with
[02:00] <daftykins> the web admin always used to absolutely crawl, now it's instant
[02:01] <daftykins> hahaha
[02:01] <daftykins> 11/28 17:54:28 [HDD Status] Hard drive 3 and 4 not manufactured by WD. My Book World Edition II can only operate using WD hard drives. Replace the drive.
[02:01] <daftykins> rubbish :P
[09:25] <directhex> my NAS is too slow to let me watch HD video over UPnP. its crummy processor can't send the data fast enough
[09:25] <directhex> it's not a transcoding issue - the files are already in the right format
[09:25] <directhex> it just can't do plain file serving over upnp fast enough to not skip
[09:28] <Myrtti> Nabee compression socks have a sale https://m.facebook.com/home.php#!/story.php?story_fbid=718677388269934&id=161532537317758
[09:31] <xplora1a> directhex, are you sure it is the CPU, have you eliminated network, just asking
[10:26] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:35] <directhex> xplora1a: the network is entirely capable of handling the bandwidth, so if it's a bandwidth issue, that's still on the NAS
[10:36] <directhex> even 100mbit ethernet is more than enough for blu-ray dumps
[10:36] <zmoylan-pi> unless some device is acting up and flooding the network
[10:51] <pwaring> And assuming every point on the path has 100mb/s
[10:51]  * pwaring tried to transfer several GB over wireless once
[16:26] <diddledan> evenin
[18:09] <Azelphur> Hey folks, got an app that is in a ppa but Ubuntu wants to use the one from its own mirrors, how do I fix that?
[18:10] <Azelphur> Specifically for deluged, the Ubuntu package is a bit naff (lacks an upstart script) while the official deluge ppa does not
[18:16] <pwaring> If you add the ppa using the instructions on the ppa page, Ubuntu shuld use the PPA version in preference to its own package
[18:16] <pwaring> I do that to get up to date versions of software like Ansible and Atom
[18:17] <pwaring> specifically: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:user/ppa-name
[18:17] <pwaring> e,g,: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ansible/ansible
[18:18] <Azelphur> pwaring: nah, it's using the one from its repo because it's "newer" http://pastebin.com/LtE8wd32
[18:18] <pwaring> oh
[18:19] <Azelphur> might just pull the init script in and then use Ubuntus package
[18:19] <pwaring> In that case I think you can pin a particular version
[18:19] <pwaring> Never had to do that in Ubuntu
[18:20] <Azelphur> yea, then I don't get updates though :P
[18:20] <pwaring> I'm not sure if you can have it both ways
[18:21] <pwaring> Unless you create your own PPA :)
[18:21] <Azelphur> yea, I'll probably just pull the init script in
[18:21] <Azelphur> seems the best way :)
[18:23] <pwaring> You could ask on the mailing list, someone who does more on this than me might help :))
[18:24] <Azelphur> yea it's no big deal, the packages aren't that different an upgrade should go smoothly
[20:11] <directhex> Azelphur: "apt-cache policy pkgname" will tell you which versions apt knows about, and the priorities it's given to different versions. may help diagnose
[20:39] <daftykins> as mentioned it was version # based so wasn't gonna happen
[21:47] <Azelphur> I'm really confused about umasks, I have a umask of 0002 on my system, which according to everything I know would have me great files that are only writable by other (everything is off) what's the deal?
[21:50] <daftykins> great?
[21:51] <Azelphur> daftykins: 0002 is what a normal user has, a normal user by default does not create files that are only writable by other
[21:51] <Azelphur> eg with a umask of 0002 I touch test and I get -rw-rw-r--
[21:52] <daftykins> i wondered if you meant s/great/create/ was all
[21:53] <penguin42> it's the opposite isn't it
[21:53] <penguin42> so the '2' is masking out the w ?
[21:53]  * Azelphur shrugs
[21:54] <Azelphur> ah I see
[21:54] <Azelphur> and 0 I guess does nothing then
[21:59] <Azelphur> penguin42: I'm still trying to figure out how to get rwxrwxr-x as a umask
[21:59] <Azelphur> and failing :<
[22:00] <penguin42> Azelphur: How do you mean ?
[22:00] <Azelphur> penguin42: I want files created by the user to be rwxrwx-x
[22:01] <Azelphur> I tried setting 0072 but no luck
[22:02] <penguin42> Azelphur: The application asks for a mode (say r/w) and that gets combined with the umask; so what you want only works if the application asks to create something rwx in the first place
[22:02] <Azelphur> by default the init script sets 0027, which gets rwxr-x---, maybe I should change that 2 to a 0
[22:03] <Azelphur> the application uses the default umask, I've been changing it
[22:04] <Azelphur> yay, 0007 got me what I wanted :)
[22:05] <penguin42> Azelphur: Each of the last 3 digits is the same, for user/group/other,  and each digit is then read/write/execute (4,2,1 I think)
[22:06] <Azelphur> yea, I was a little confused as to why there are 4 digits and not 3
[22:19] <diddledan> Azelphur: a unix mode is four octal numbers 0000 thru 7777. you can ignore the first octet in chmod commands and such though. a umask is a different octal number which is subtracted from a specified mode which is usually 0777 during file creation calls to derive the value to actually assign the file. so a umask of 0002 subtracted from 0777 will derive the permission of 0775. the permissions octal number, being four
[22:19] <diddledan>  values, assigns the "special flags e.g. sticky", owner, group, other.
[22:19] <Azelphur> thanks :)
[22:21] <diddledan> the reason the umask is called a "mask" is because the numbers are actually combined using a binary OR mechanism which is very efficient
[22:21] <diddledan> so the binary bits in the mask cancel out the binary bits in the requested permissions value
[22:22] <diddledan> I think it's OR, anway. my boolean logic is weak
[22:22] <daftykins> i was gonna try and say they might get ANDd or NANDd but i'm no mathemagician
[22:22] <diddledan> ello daftykins
[22:22] <daftykins> o hai der
[22:23] <daftykins> no reply from mr.shauno :(
[22:23] <diddledan> you spelt "dear" wrong :-p
[22:23] <diddledan> and hello darling
[22:23] <diddledan> :-p
[22:23] <daftykins> one might wager i did a lot wrong there ^_^
[22:23] <daftykins> that reminded me of Blackadder
[22:23] <diddledan> lol
[22:23] <diddledan> I might start making weird laughing noises
[22:23] <diddledan> like stephen fry's character
[22:24] <daftykins> do you have a questionable 'tache?
[22:24] <diddledan> there's a lot questionable about me :-p
[22:25] <daftykins> yay for the week ahead of deliveries
[22:25] <diddledan> ooh. toys
[22:26] <daftykins> yep :D
[22:26] <daftykins> laptop, SSD, blurry set, surface 4, phone screen :D
[22:26] <diddledan> why do PC monitors come in 16:9 instead of 16:10 these days?
[22:26] <daftykins> idiot pressure i would expect
[22:27] <diddledan> I've paired up two from different generations but because one is older than the other they're different heights
[22:27] <diddledan> due to 16:9 vs 16:10
[22:27] <daftykins> doh!
[22:28] <diddledan> the taller one has 1920x1200 and the shorter one 1920x1080
[22:29] <daftykins> arr my pair of 2408s are of the former, 'tis a nice res
[22:29] <diddledan> I just don't get why PC monitors need to be the same ratio as TVs at all
[22:30] <diddledan> I like wide-style layout, but don't see the need to be exactly TV-shaped
[22:31] <daftykins> shared panel production could factor in
[22:31] <diddledan> I guess
[22:32] <daftykins> what i laugh at is the industry 'caught up' by going wide, then cinema went to 21:9
[22:33] <diddledan> :-)
[22:33] <diddledan> we're stuck with TVs being 16:9 now
[22:34] <diddledan> all television video is produced in 16x9 and it just means we add a bit of blackbar for cinema
[22:35] <diddledan> it's still way better than playing a cinema 21:9 on a 4x3 tv
[22:35] <daftykins> i'm sure i read Kodi was meant to be introducing some feature in the next version that allows you to watch 4:3 somehow converted to make use of your wide TV without distortion o0
[22:35] <diddledan> o_O
[22:35] <daftykins> does not compute
[22:35] <diddledan> voodoo!
[22:36] <diddledan> https://boingboing.net/2015/11/29/millennials-are-cheap-because.html
[22:37] <daftykins> shift about material culture? yeah right when they all covet tablets and smartphones
[22:38]  * diddledan fondles
[22:38] <daftykins> trust you to link to a site with that name :P
[22:38] <daftykins> that power drill possessing lass image is... novel
[22:39] <diddledan> yeah I was just looking at that gif
[22:39] <daftykins> i think it's matching my music
[22:39] <diddledan> I'm unsure what she's supposed to represent
[22:39] <daftykins> hey if you delete the '2' she's slower!
[22:40] <diddledan> o_O
[22:43] <diddledan> don't you find it odd how advertising companies don't have any adverts on their own pages?
[22:43] <diddledan> e.g. http://rubiconproject.com
[22:44] <daftykins> :D
[22:46] <diddledan> they speak a foreign language on that site: "Seller Cloud enables you to use your 1st party data to sell reserved audiences to the buyers who are in demand."
[22:46] <daftykins> that hurt my brain
[22:48] <diddledan> "connects sellers across a global landscape of trusted, high-quality buyers. Maximize yield for your inventory and audiences across all screens and formats"
[22:49] <diddledan> seriously they're just putting random buzzwords together and hoping it sounds good
[22:49] <daftykins> they don't think it be like it is, but it do - sir
[23:03] <diddledan> that was a film that was so outrageous that it was fun: the a team
[23:04] <diddledan> "they're shooting at the plane".. "no, they're trying to fly that tank"
[23:05] <diddledan> or similar lines - I forget the actual quote but the essence was "they're trying to fly that tank"
[23:06] <daftykins> ja :D
[23:06] <daftykins> hey i still have that! *plays*
[23:09] <diddledan> grrr @ english mis-use: "they utilise their unique talents and try to clear their names and find the true culprit" <-- the first "and" should be "to"
[23:09] <daftykins> i find 'and' is used to chain together anything folk want these days :<
[23:10] <diddledan> like people saying "I'll try and find foo" <-- try TO find foo!
[23:11] <daftykins> this are shenanigans up of which we shall not put!
[23:11] <daftykins> *these :/
[23:11] <diddledan> "I went and I looked for sweeties and I found some and I bought them and I ate them and then we went to the cinema and watched a cool movie and went home and played scrabble and my sister was funny and she put a naughty word and I laughed
[23:13] <diddledan> ^ a kid having just discovered "and" :-p
[23:26] <diddledan> -_- http://www.amazon.com/b?node=8037720011&ref=tsm_1_tw_s_amzn_290791026&linkId=19147631
[23:28] <penguin42> phew, it's not something else diddledan is going to make me buy
[23:28] <diddledan> teeeheee
[23:30] <daftykins> :D
[23:30] <penguin42> the video is nice; (on mute) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXo_d6tNWuY&feature=youtu.be
[23:37] <daftykins> "please check your garden" - oh no the bulldog is sunbathing out there! *AROOOOOO!*
[23:39] <daftykins> where's diddledan? he'd enjoy that line
[23:44] <daftykins> diddledan: ah the chopper flight at the start of The A Team is great
[23:51] <diddledan> 20% of children (12-15) think that if a search engine lists it then it's fact/true
[23:54] <penguin42> presumably that is heavily biased towards the 12 year olds and still most of them have got a clue