[05:59] <EtroS> Hey everyone, just thought I'll drop by and say Thanks for the awesome system
[06:58] <NoklaM> Just joined the testing team, although not sure where to go from here
[08:47] <zequence> NoklaM: You want to help with testing?
[08:48] <zequence> Make sure to subscribe to our -devel mail list, and keep up with what is going on, and just jump in when there's something that you can help with.
[08:50] <zequence> Our testing lead is Ross Gammon. He's preparing testing for this development release.
[08:52] <zequence> You can read a bit more about that here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2015-November/007124.html
[08:53] <NoklaM> Yup, defo gonna help with testing, I think I subbed to the devel list, I've also installed the 16.03 version :)
[08:56] <NoklaM> s/.03/.04
[09:06] <NoklaM> + the .iso from the topic worked only with UEFI mode on mobo, refused to boot in legacy mode, just mentioning, dunno where to put this
[09:13] <zequence> NoklaM: Most probably the boot problems are the same on all flavors, so double check with vanilla Ubuntu, and if you have the same problem, report a bug.
[09:14] <zequence> And, this is how you report the bug:
[09:14] <zequence> Legacy mode did not work, so you boot into UEFI mode. Open a terminal. type: ubuntu-bug grub
[09:14] <zequence> Sorry
[09:14] <zequence> ubuntu-bug grub2
[09:15] <zequence> Here's something about testing ISOs, specifically about the bug part https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Testing/ISOTesting#If_you_find_bugs
[09:16] <zequence> NoklaM: Welcome to the team, btw! If you like, present yourself on our -devel mail list, and let others know you exist and want to help
[09:16] <NoklaM> Thanks :), will do as soon as i figure out how to post to it :)
[09:17] <NoklaM> might sound lame but in my 20 years on pc never used a mailing list
[09:17] <zequence> NoklaM: Just write an email to the email address Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[09:17] <NoklaM> ah wicked, so simple
[09:17] <zequence> It will only go through if the sender is subscribed
[09:19] <zequence> Currently we are doing some changes to the desktop, so if you find any problems with it, let us know. Here, or on the mail list. Both work.
[09:19] <NoklaM> I noticed that during the installation, the desktop on live showed the XFCE manu
[09:20] <NoklaM> i was scared it's gonna persist trough the install to the final stage
[09:20] <zequence> Yeah, that one needs to be fixed
[09:20] <zequence> I just made the changes yesterday, so I missed something. Will try to fix that tomorrow.
[09:21] <NoklaM> I've just read on the mailing list that there is some mention of a in house desktop menu or environment, I did some UX while back
[09:22] <zequence> UX?
[09:22] <NoklaM> user Experience design
[09:33] <NoklaM> Sorry, my father decided it's perfect time to reset the router without informing me 
[09:33] <NoklaM> Where did it cut-off zequence ?
[10:15] <zequence> NoklaM: Ah, I was away for a while.
[10:15] <zequence> You said "user Experience design"
[10:16] <NoklaM> Ah, basicly making the menus and interface as painless as possible for the end user, that's UX in short
[10:19] <zequence> Ok. Well, we're actually trying to get away from most of the DE stuff, since there are too few people interesting on working on that.
[10:19] <zequence> Our custom menu looked better in the old menu (we started using the new one, "whiskers" yesterday)
[10:20] <zequence> Also, the menu should work with any freedesktop compatible menu, like the KDE menu
[10:20] <zequence> What happens is a few new submenus are added
[10:21] <zequence> The logic behind the submenus comes from freedesktop categorization
[10:21] <zequence> http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apa.html
[10:21] <zequence> Though, we aren't following it yet, perfectly
[10:22] <NoklaM> As far as I understand most DE's are themable right?
[10:22] <zequence> Sure
[10:23] <NoklaM> Once one is set in stone I might look in to it and make it look less stock like :P
[10:23] <zequence> We don't really have our own theme currently
[10:23] <NoklaM> Although there is nothing wrong with stock
[10:23] <zequence> We only have a few custom icons
[10:23] <zequence> We had a custom theme back when we were still using gnome2
[10:24] <NoklaM> I seen there is colour picked for the icon as a standard one, could work around that
[10:25] <zequence> I had the idea to have specific colors for the different workflows, and worked together with our art lead, Zak, and some other folks a couple of years ago to sum those up
[10:25] <zequence> Been a while, so I would need to look through that again to see what it was we were doing
[10:26] <zequence> Zak is not around much, but he will be art lead this cycle. He's the guy who made the wallpaper and our social channel artwork
[10:26] <zequence> The blue is a classic Ubuntu Studio theme color
[10:27] <zequence> If you want to check out some of the artwork, you can get it from our bazaar branch
[10:27] <zequence> First, install bazaar: sudo apt-get install bzr
[10:27] <NoklaM> :)
[10:28] <zequence> Then, also in the terminal, do: bzr branch lp:ubuntustudio-artwork
[10:28] <zequence> It's not complete, and in total disorder
[10:29] <NoklaM> just checking now
[10:31] <NoklaM> that's some nice assets there
[10:32] <zequence> If you google "Ubuntu Studio desktop theme" you should find some pics of the old gtk2 theme
[10:33] <zequence> black, dark grey, white and blue
[10:33] <NoklaM> Purely theoreticly, HTML5 as layer on top of the DE, would that work?
[10:34] <zequence> Gnome3 uses css
[10:34] <zequence> NOt sure about gtk3, which is everything within the window borders. XFCE uses it also, but lot of things there I'm not sure of
[10:35] <zequence> A guy called cfhowlett has been working on porting the old gtk2 theme to gtk3. I've been planning on including it as an alternative, but that's about as much work we've done on desktop theming for the past few years.
[10:36] <zequence> Anyway, got to go. I'll check in later, so if you think of anything just write here or on the mail list.
[10:36] <NoklaM> Sure thing, have a good one
[12:04] <flocculant> hi Rosco2 :)
[12:04] <Rosco2> hi
[12:05] <flocculant> wish you all the luck in the world getting testcases done :)
[12:05] <Rosco2> It is a hard sell :-)
[12:05] <Rosco2> I am sure I will have to do a lot myself
[12:06] <flocculant> really? never noticed ha ha 
[12:06] <flocculant> I'd have likely been more available last cycle to help out - but got my own lts to worry about
[12:07] <flocculant> I will though do what I can to help get things on the tracker and available for you
[12:07] <Rosco2> Yeah - thanks
[12:07] <Rosco2> It is good to have someone to help me through the learning curve
[12:08] <flocculant> what might be a useful thing to do is create a folder on the project for studio specific tests - keeps them in one place 
[12:08] <flocculant> we do that for xubuntu - xfce stuff is seperate from things others might use like mousepad
[12:09] <flocculant> Rosco2: I'm only ever a ping or mail away, so whenever you have a question, and I'll hang about in this channel too 
[12:10] <Rosco2> folder? do you have a link, or do you mean bzr branches on the us-testing team launchpad?
[12:10] <flocculant> if you want to do that with a folder ubuntu-manual-tests/testcases/packages/studio soon ish I'll merge it asap
[12:10] <flocculant> Rosco2: nope on the manual testcases
[12:11] <Rosco2> got it - thanks
[12:11] <flocculant> I did do Agave basic test a while back - so one's done :p
[12:13] <NoklaM> don't worry Rosco2 I'll help ya with those test cases :P
[12:14] <Rosco2> NoklaM: Excellent news
[12:15] <Rosco2> Let us know how you get on as you get started
[12:16] <NoklaM> I'm going over the list looking for programs I have a clue about. Do we do only basic test like the ones described or can we go in "deeper"
[12:19] <Rosco2> I would like to start with a small quick test for as many as possible
[12:19] <Rosco2> we can add more depth later
[12:20] <Rosco2> If the tests are too long some testers may give up
[12:20] <flocculant> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/trunk/view/head:/testcases/packages/1662_Agave
[12:20] <Rosco2> Expert testers can always go deeper anyway and report bugs they find
[12:21] <Rosco2> flocculant: Was just looking at it
[12:21] <Rosco2> Good idea to have a folder like Xfce
[12:21] <flocculant> yea 
[12:22] <flocculant> Rosco2: actually I'll just do that if you like now - just what to call it ? studio would be my fave :p
[12:28] <NoklaM> ok, kinda got lost after setting up my name in bzr
[12:30] <flocculant> NoklaM: how far did you get? 
[12:30] <NoklaM> d'oh and Studio crashed when alt-tabing
[12:33] <flocculant> bzr whoami "NoklaM <noklam's e-mail> should do it - bzr whoami should return who it thinks you are, then bzr launchpad-login LPusername 
[12:33] <flocculant> afaik
[12:34] <NoklaM> i think that worked
[12:35] <flocculant> :)
[12:36] <NoklaM> and which branch do I add or do I add any?
[12:37] <Rosco2> flocculant: studio would be fine
[12:37] <flocculant> NoklaM: hang on - let me set up this new home for studio 
[12:37] <NoklaM> okie dokie
[12:39] <flocculant> Rosco2: ok - all done 
[12:39] <flocculant> NoklaM: bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual-tests
[12:39] <NoklaM> tyvm kind sir
[12:40] <flocculant> open that up once it's there - in testcases/packages you will see a studio folder - create your testcases in there :)
[12:40] <Rosco2> Yes - just name the new file after the app
[12:41] <flocculant> don't add a number though - that gets added elsewhere and by admins
[12:42] <Rosco2> You beat me. A sequential number gets added to the filename later in the process
[12:42] <Rosco2> I remember wondering about that last time
[12:42] <flocculant> Rosco2: :)
[12:42] <NoklaM> Got it
[12:47] <flocculant> NoklaM: also assign yourself to bug associated with the testcase your writing, link your code to it, then it all gets tied up properly down the road :)
[12:55] <NoklaM> D'oh run Jack AUDIO server with aeolus for testing, now not sure it should disable my normal headphones audio or is it a feature
[12:56] <NoklaM> I'll better stick to what I know
[13:04] <flocculant> sounds familiar - that'll be why I started looking and stopped :p
[13:06] <NoklaM> I'm doing krita, actually used to for 30 minutes before, just could somene guide me through hand on adding the file?
[13:14] <NoklaM> I mean when I do bzr add krita, it throws an error that the file doesn't exist
[13:15] <flocculant> NoklaM: bzr add
[13:15] <flocculant> bzr knows what it has - you just tell it to add and it does 
[13:19] <flocculant> NoklaM: then you want to commit your changes bzr commit -m 'new testcase for foo' for example
[13:20] <NoklaM> ah I see, I didn't create the file in the first place manualy
[13:20] <flocculant> not sure what you mean
[13:21] <NoklaM> What I had to do was create a krita file in the Studio folder
[13:21] <NoklaM> then add it :P
[13:21] <flocculant> aah - yes :)
[13:22] <flocculant> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases/Manual/Writing and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/DevelopmentToolsUsage
[13:22] <flocculant> go through from grabbing the branch, doing your thing, pushing it 
[13:23] <NoklaM> wicked, thanks :D
[13:23] <flocculant> welcome :)
[13:24] <flocculant> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases/ManualStyleGuide/test_case_format_script makes sure that what you've written passes for syntax
[13:24] <flocculant> then you wait for a tame testcase admin to check it out :D
[13:56] <NoklaM> Can I show my file to someone before I push it?
[13:56] <NoklaM> Literally paranoid that I made 10x mistakes in 3 tests
[13:56] <NoklaM> in the file writing that is
[13:57] <flocculant> NoklaM: if you want pastebin it and I'll have a quick look 
[13:59] <NoklaM> http://pastebin.com/KgJYRBsb <-- flocculant 
[14:00] <flocculant> kind of :)
[14:00] <flocculant> 2 ticks
[14:00] <NoklaM> what did I mess up?
[14:03] <flocculant> http://pastebin.com/A4GUBDML
[14:04] <flocculant> not that you messed up
[14:04] <flocculant> basically
[14:04] <flocculant> this test tests foo
 do this
 this happens 
[14:05] <flocculant> imagine someone who learnt english following it - make it as obvious as you can
[14:06] <flocculant> also - not that you did, never use UbuntuStudio or Xubuntu or Ubuntu - just use FAMILY in uppercase and then it works out which flavour you're testing :)
[14:06] <flocculant> NoklaM: what we try to do is make tests as agnostic as we can - so anyone can use a test 
[14:06] <NoklaM> Ah I see
[14:07] <NoklaM> so just KISS method
[14:07] <flocculant> yep
[14:10] <NoklaM> and I have to add the <strong> section also
[14:10] <flocculant> yea 
[14:10] <flocculant> that is in all testcases
[14:20] <NoklaM> just checking before i push "bzr push lp:~noklam/ubuntu-manual-tests/testcases/packages/Studio"
[14:20] <NoklaM> Sorry for the amount of questions
[14:20] <flocculant> you're welcome - push to bzr push lp:~noklam/ubuntu-manual-tests/studio
[14:20] <flocculant> or
[14:21] <flocculant> you could lp:~noklam/ubuntu-manual-tests/krita
[14:21] <flocculant> when I do it 
[14:21] <flocculant> I find the bug I'm fixing and use the number 
[14:21] <flocculant> so
[14:22] <flocculant> lp:~noklam/ubuntu-manual-tests/1183889
[14:22] <flocculant> up to you really :)
[14:22] <flocculant> and assign yourself to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1183889
[14:22] <flocculant> then link your mp to that bug 
[14:23] <NoklaM> I broke it /panicmode
[14:23] <flocculant> heh
[14:23] <NoklaM> Oh the bot just anounces it
[14:24] <flocculant> NoklaM: ok I can see that 
[14:25] <flocculant> you need to propose for merging - you can put my nick in the reviewer box
[14:25] <flocculant> it might all seem long winded at the moment - but it does make it all followable in 6 months time :)
[14:27] <NoklaM> I can imagine it looking funny if people didn't follow rules and after 6 months everyone was like /oops
[14:29] <NoklaM> Source branch it will be merged to is the ubuntu-manual-tests development focus one?
[14:33] <flocculant> NoklaM: one last thing and I'll deal with it :)
[14:33] <flocculant> https://code.launchpad.net/~noklam/ubuntu-manual-tests/studio
[14:34] <flocculant> see where it says Link a bug report? 
[14:34] <flocculant> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1183889
[14:34] <flocculant> use the number there - and assign you to the bug
[14:37] <NoklaM> You mean report a bug?
[14:39] <flocculant> nope - the bug is already there link above, assign it to you - that shows everyone it was you who fixed the bug
[14:40] <flocculant> and link it to your code which fixes it 
[14:42] <OvenWerk1> NoklaM: with reguard to ISO boots. The last ISO I booted I was able to boot either way (bios/efi). Some of this stuff depends on the system I guess.
[14:43] <NoklaM> My mobo is picky I guess, but it didn't like windows 7 either
[14:46] <NoklaM> I got a feeling I broke something
[14:46] <NoklaM> just not sure what yet
[14:48] <OvenWerk1> Things do change from iso to iso as well, I installed mine two weeks ago. I am DL the new one so I can fix the menu :)
[14:48] <NoklaM> Oh I got a fresh one this morning I think
[14:49] <NoklaM> from the link above /topic
[14:50] <flocculant> NoklaM: ok - merged that, linked the two, in future can you mark bugs as fix commited though - fix is released when someone adds it to the tracker database 
[14:50] <OvenWerk1> I am using zsync which says there is a 22% difference from the last one I downloaded.
[14:50] <flocculant> hi OvenWerk1 
[14:50] <OvenWerk1> o/
[14:50] <NoklaM> okie dokie, thanks
[14:55] <NoklaM> eh, I just realised I could have tested pressure sensitivity and all those gimmicks in krita with my tablet
[14:55] <NoklaM> o.O
[14:55] <NoklaM> got a wacom bamboo, might as well do another graphics app and test it there
[14:58] <OvenWerk1> Ah, we need more people who are graphics centered.
[14:59]  * OvenWerk1 is almost completely audio headed.
[15:00] <NoklaM> I got AKG microphone but that's about it, bought it, heard my voice on recording and ditched it
[15:01] <flocculant> ha ha 
[15:02] <OvenWerk1> my vision is to see Studio work as well out of the box for graphics and video as it does for Audio. But I don't know what would be useful in those areas.
[15:02] <NoklaM> Well GIMP does work great out of the box so does Krita
[15:03] <OvenWerk1> NoklaM: setting up colour on the monitor maybe not..
[15:03] <NoklaM> I'll check that
[15:04]  * flocculant hasn't a graphic bone in his body, nor musical unless you count listening all day :p
[15:05] <NoklaM> Is there any streaming - as in spotify type - programs for Linux?
[15:05] <OvenWerk1> I expect the apps themselves work well, but any system tweaks to make the tools like tablets for input and monitor set work would be great.
[15:05] <OvenWerk1> do you have a link I could look at?
[15:06] <NoklaM> link to ?:P
[15:06] <OvenWerk1> a page that tells me what spotify is?
[15:06] <NoklaM> oh :D
[15:07] <NoklaM> spotify.com
[15:07] <NoklaM> It's a commercial app for streaming music
[15:07] <NoklaM> is even free if you don't mind few adds
[15:09] <OvenWerk1> There are certainly streaming tools like icecaste that one can stream their own music through. Most of the Linux players already are able to use it.
[15:10] <OvenWerk1> there is idjc which has everything needed to set up a radio studio with mics, playlist, jingle lists, phone i/o  crossfades etc.
[15:11] <NoklaM> That sounds awesome
[15:12] <OvenWerk1> I had set something like that up at home here, but my family has such distinct tastes...
[15:13] <NoklaM> What music you in to?
[15:14] <OvenWerk1> Lots of things from older rock from the last century to country, blues, folk etc.
[15:14] <OvenWerk1> Lots of things from older rock from the last century to country, blues, folk etc.
[15:15] <NoklaM> Bluegrass by any chance?
[15:15] <NoklaM> The joys of running a unstable release
[15:15]  * OvenWerk1 finds there is a lot of music he enjoys playing but not listening to so much :)
[15:15] <OvenWerk1> I like some bluegrass too.
[15:16] <NoklaM> It's very Irish folk like, 
[15:16] <NoklaM> Also drumkv3 crashed my pc a second ago
[15:16] <OvenWerk1> I got soured on it a bit a few years ago I had a friend who could play only one song on his banjo and so got tired of it.
[15:17] <NoklaM> I had an urge to buy a banjo not so long ago
[15:17] <OvenWerk1> gtk and qt based audio plugins are going through some upheaval just now.
[15:17] <NoklaM> but I still didn't recover from the sore fingers from guitar
[15:18] <NoklaM> My underbed is full of old instruments I'd like to play but I'm to busy with the pc
[15:18] <OvenWerk1> I play bass and guitar. I have started playing mandolin as well.
[15:19] <NoklaM> Now bass is awesome, I had a go at a pwn shop, I literally just plucked the strings and they sounded awesome
[15:19] <OvenWerk1> The mandolin was passed down from my father a few years ago, but I only played it in public the first time a few weeks ago.
[15:19] <NoklaM> Do you have a beard?
[15:19] <NoklaM> Cause that should be a part of the kit when playing mandolin
[15:21] <NoklaM> Also the docker at the bottom of the screen, is there a way to get rid of it?
[15:21] <OvenWerk1> easy to get rid of
[15:22] <NoklaM> I just clicked it and it vanished, well the - on it
[15:22] <OvenWerk1> right click on it, pannel->pannel prefferences
[15:22] <OvenWerk1> in the dialog click the big red minus sign
[15:22] <NoklaM> That should come with the manual
[15:23] <OvenWerk1> I made mine vertical and put it on my right monitor in a smaller size.
[15:23] <NoklaM> Honestly It's been 8 year since I go tmy 1st Ubuntu CD and I still only know how to brake it
[15:24] <NoklaM> I got stuck in the windows zone, but since I kinda dislike constant spying and value my privacy a bit I switched back for good
[15:25]  * OvenWerk1 plays this bass: http://www.ibanez.co.jp/products/u_eb_page15.php?year=2015&cat_id=2&series_id=51&data_id=51&color=CL01
[15:25] <NoklaM> wow
[15:25] <OvenWerk1> I want to get a matching bass with frets
[15:26] <NoklaM> It's mahogany, i probably wouldn't be able to afford the body of it
[15:28] <OvenWerk1> I have an old Squire I got cheap. I pulled the frets out and filled the slots so I could try fretless playing.
[15:29] <NoklaM> How did that go?
[15:29] <OvenWerk1> I ended up using it a lot because it is 3 pounds lighter than my RIC
[15:29] <NoklaM> that's like 1.5kg
[15:30] <OvenWerk1> It was ok, but once I got the SR I realized how a ready hard neck makes a huge difference in playablility.
[15:30] <OvenWerk1> Ya, I was using my shoulders a lot at work (letter carrying for Canada Poste) and needed less on my days off.
[15:31] <NoklaM> Don't they give you cars?
[15:31] <NoklaM> Or you have to carry a bag?
[15:32] <OvenWerk1> I had a footwalk. On a heavy day I might deal with as much as 350 pounds of mail.
[15:32] <NoklaM> oh man, ouch.
[15:32] <OvenWerk1> that is in 35 pound or so chunks
[15:32] <NoklaM> I've yet to see postman on foot in Ireland
[15:33] <NoklaM> They got so used to cars they do 25m2 block with a car
[15:33] <OvenWerk1> They are woring to do tha here too, but I would rather do the walk
[15:34] <NoklaM> It would be a national protest here if they told em to go on foot
[15:34] <NoklaM> I bet
[15:35] <OvenWerk1> they would have to hire more people... that could be a good thing too
[15:35] <flocculant> hah - they walk about where I am in england
[15:36] <OvenWerk1> The reason they want to go to trucks here is to use less people.
[15:37] <NoklaM> I live in the sticks, so everything is kinda far away from each other
[15:37] <OvenWerk1> Our rural routes are all truck.
[15:37] <NoklaM> closest shop? 20 mnutes walk
[15:37] <flocculant> 15  minutes here
[15:38] <NoklaM> 20s to Tesco, not good for me:( no deli haha
[15:38] <NoklaM> If I walk I do another 5-7 minutes to a petrol station with a deli
[15:39] <NoklaM> Did you lads see mcdonalds replacing workers with menu machines
[15:39] <flocculant> nah
[15:39] <OvenWerk1> not here.
[15:39] <NoklaM> They got few out in US i heard because of the higher wages 
[15:41] <NoklaM> Doesn't bother them in Ireland tho, 9.05 or 9.15 Eur from January
[15:41] <NoklaM> that's what they have to pay to the over 18s in full time
[15:42] <OvenWerk1> There are too many people here who would not be able to use a machine. (lots of older people)
[15:42] <flocculant> or ones like me who just refuse point-blank to do so 
[15:43] <flocculant> I don't use them in supermarkets either
[15:43] <NoklaM> but in all honesty it's kinda going that way, automotion
[15:45] <OvenWerk1> I don't use selfserve checkouts either.
[15:45] <OvenWerk1> no choice for gas... (petrol?)
[15:46] <NoklaM> Self Service petrol station?
[15:46] <OvenWerk1> all of them.
[15:46] <NoklaM> Oh wow, i seen one nearby Dublin once
[15:46] <NoklaM> But that's about it
[15:46] <OvenWerk1> There may be one or two full service places around, but you have to know where they are.
[15:47] <NoklaM> oh wow
[15:47] <NoklaM> And I thought if I move to Canada it will be easy to find a job
[15:47] <NoklaM> but with my qualifications clerk on petrol station is max
[15:47] <OvenWerk1> depends where (and when)
[15:48] <NoklaM> I'd like somewhere sunny :P Is that an option in Canada?
[15:51] <NoklaM> sick of rain and wind
[15:53] <OvenWerk1> your pick, rain and wind or sun and cold and snow.
[15:53]  * OvenWerk1 lives in the Comox Valley
[15:54] <NoklaM> The thought of snow scares me, I seen it once in last 4  years and it was whole 2 inches that blocked the country
[15:54] <OvenWerk1> there is a difference between dry snow and wet snow. Dry is easier to deal with.
[15:54] <OvenWerk1> I grew up in Calgary Alberta.
[15:55] <flocculant> NoklaM: don't forget that here and where you are, we don't really get snow, so don't spend €'s or £'s on dealing with it generally
[15:55] <flocculant> hence Heathrow shuts with half an inch ... 
[15:56] <OvenWerk1> Terrace BC if you like _lots_ of snow.
[15:56] <NoklaM> Oh no, I'd stay away from it
[15:56] <NoklaM> It's like rain, but its solid
[15:57] <NoklaM> I never see people put winter tyres here
[15:57] <NoklaM> And half or 1 inch drops and the whole country comes to a stop 
[15:57] <OvenWerk1> Ontario sometimes has a lot too, because of the Great lakes. Alberta is cold but mostly sunny, the snow doesn't get that deep.
[16:00] <OvenWerk1> NoklaM: The difference is that an inch of snow where you are vanishes the same or next day. In Calgary an inch of snow might stick around for 6 weeks.
[16:03] <NoklaM> That's true I've never seen last longer than 2 days
[16:06] <flocculant> I'm old enough to have seen it in England 
[16:06] <NoklaM> I've only been here 10 years
[16:06] <flocculant> I've been here since 1963 :D
[16:06] <NoklaM> I'm not 10 btw :P
[16:06] <flocculant> ha ha 
[16:07]  * OvenWerk1 has to go.
[16:07] <OvenWerk1> o/
[16:07] <flocculant> cya OvenWerk1 
[16:07] <NoklaM> See you mate, was nice chatting to you :)
[16:08] <flocculant> I should too - got a session to be ready for later https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-November/010969.html
[16:09] <flocculant> NoklaM might have an interest in that - it'll be xubuntu based, but the basics will be pretty much agnostic
[16:09] <NoklaM> Was just thinking that
[16:09] <NoklaM> Since I have ton a of questions
[16:11] <NoklaM> And finally my mailing list is working
[16:11] <NoklaM> I can reply /woopwoop
[16:11] <flocculant> :)
[16:12] <flocculant> NoklaM: well as long as a question works for me with my real hat on I'll answer it :)
[16:12] <NoklaM> You won't probably believe it but I've been running circles on the launchpad website
[16:12] <NoklaM> still can't find the one saying which softwar eneeds to be tested
[16:13] <flocculant> oh right
[16:13] <flocculant> I can link you to the list of bugs for needed testcases for Studio
[16:13] <NoklaM> oh would be awesome
[16:13] <flocculant> you won't find testing yet - that's not set up and lives somewhere else
[16:14] <flocculant> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bugs?field.tag=ubuntu-studio&orderby=-id&start=0
[16:15] <NoklaM> tyvm :)
[16:15] <flocculant> NoklaM: just remember, find a bug, assign you, do the testcase, push MP, link bug to that MP, propose fix
[16:16] <NoklaM> Just looking for the ones i have at least slight idea of how they work
[16:16] <flocculant> yep - completely understood
[16:16] <flocculant> and I'm good with you putting me as reviewer too 
[16:17] <NoklaM> awesome :)
[16:17] <flocculant> now you've got the basic hang of it - just push them, if there's an issue I will comment on the proposal
[16:18] <NoklaM> There is few i might have an idea how to run
[16:18] <NoklaM> and what they do
[16:18] <NoklaM> Honestly I was overwhelmed with the amount of software that came with Studio
[16:20] <NoklaM> Was either Studio or try to run Mac OSX on AMD cpu
[16:20] <NoklaM> Windows just pushed the line
[16:23] <flocculant> NoklaM: I would guess that the best thing to do if you're more graphic is to do those
[16:23] <flocculant> I'm pretty sure that Rosco2 is just pleased to have someone helping and if you can do a % that's going to be \o/ 
[16:24] <flocculant> this has whole testing thing's been floating about for quite a while
[16:24] <NoklaM> d'oh shrini was faster than me on inkscape
[16:24] <Rosco2> You bet :-)
[16:24] <flocculant> :D
[16:25] <Rosco2> Just been updating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Testing/Testcases
[16:25] <Rosco2> Glad to add krita!
[16:25] <flocculant> NoklaM: perhaps but if you look at the code from shrini I asked a couple of months ago if it was still being worked on
[16:26] <flocculant> so - if you can actually do the deed and propose a test - that'll supersede something from Aug 2014 ;)
[16:27] <NoklaM> I'll be glad to
[16:27]  * flocculant is pretty much totally aware of what's going on with manual testcase code
[16:28] <flocculant> Rosco2: at some point you're going to need to try and get your head around the admin side of the trackers - I'd be happy to help you out, but I'm guessing timezones will make week hard, so I would make myself available at a weekend for an hour or so 
[16:29] <Rosco2> I just logged in actually.
[16:29] <flocculant> might need zequence to add me to your release team temporarily so I can actually see things on the tracker
[16:29] <Rosco2> Need to link the test cases to some test suites
[16:29]  * flocculant can't admin studio stuff
[16:29] <Rosco2> Like US Audio, visio graphics etc
[16:30] <Rosco2> whoops video
[16:30] <flocculant> Rosco2: perhaps start working with an etherpad on what you want to see it looking like
[16:30] <Rosco2> good idea
[16:31] <flocculant> I can make notes on what I've learnt about it all when I've time then :)
[16:56] <NoklaM> argh bzr keeps commiting on the first file i created instead of the latest
[16:56] <NoklaM> tried bzr help commit but there ain't much there
[16:58] <OvenWerk1> bzr add?
[16:58] <NoklaM> did that and still commits on the 1st file
[17:14] <NoklaM> I wonder did it work
[17:16] <NoklaM> d'oh
[17:16] <NoklaM> how do I cancel a push?
[17:17] <NoklaM> nvm:P
[17:25] <flocculant> NoklaM: that's why I do that push to different branches bzr push lp:~flocculant/ubuntu-manual-tests/bug#foo example
[17:26] <flocculant> you keep pushing to the same branch so the old stuff shows still 
[17:26] <NoklaM> I just changed the dir and it updated it hinks
[17:26] <NoklaM> I thinks*
[17:27] <flocculant> as it is = please push it again so that inkscape is inside /Studio - don't need folders for everything :)
[17:27] <NoklaM> ok :P
[17:27] <flocculant> check out the /xfce branch of the testcase 
[17:27] <flocculant> s
[17:28] <OvenWerk1> I use two local directories (at least with GIT) So for https://github.com/ovenwerks/mcpdisp I have ~/software/mcpdisp/mcpdisp/ and ~/software/mcpdisp/work/
[17:29] <flocculant> OvenWerk1: yea - I don't know enough about bzr to comment tbh
[17:29] <flocculant> I just push my bugfixes to specific branches like bzr push lp:~flocculant/ubuntu-manual-tests/bug#
[17:29] <OvenWerk1> I pull to the first and then do all my work in work... if I screw work up too much I can delete the whole directory and reclone from the local clean copy. For mcpdisp that is not too important, but for something like Ardour a reclone from the master takes forever.
[17:30] <Rosco2> Yes. It is best to pull the latest bzr before starting a new testcase
[17:30] <flocculant> NoklaM: aah yes - before starting on a new one bzr pull 
[17:30] <Rosco2> And create a new branch from that to work on the bug as flocculant says
[17:30] <OvenWerk1> bzr status   will normally tell you what you are going to commit.
[17:30] <flocculant> assuming someone has done the merge
[17:31] <flocculant> frankly when I was doing a lot - I just kept pulling branch afresh - and delete the old one
[17:31] <flocculant> pulling here takes ~15 seconds :D
[17:33] <flocculant> bzr still does my head in at frequent intervals I have to say :)
[17:40] <flocculant> Rosco2: if nothing else - this was a really useful few hours :)
[17:40] <flocculant> NoklaM deserves a Gold Star :)
[17:41] <NoklaM> I'm still fighting with bzr :P
[17:41] <flocculant> I could refer you to an earlier comment from me :D
[17:42] <flocculant> NoklaM: frankly if push comes to shove - rename the branch with your work in it, pull the main branch and copy it in :)
[17:42] <NoklaM> I managed to delete that directory xD
[17:42] <NoklaM> I'm at that stage
[17:42] <flocculant> I would say I'd done that one or twice - but the truth would be many more ;)
[17:43] <Rosco2> Yes - very productive today
[17:43] <flocculant> yep
[17:43] <flocculant> I'm glad I popped by 
[17:43] <Rosco2> I have deleted the odd bzr branch to start again too
[17:43] <Rosco2> I still do it for git, but much less
[17:44] <flocculant> I've only ever used bzr to work with, I've git cloned to get some xfce stuff in my other hat
[17:45] <flocculant> I don't code - apart from Hello World ... 
[17:46] <NoklaM> bzr push lp:~noklam/ubuntu-manual-tests/bug#1183022
[17:46] <NoklaM> is that the right one? Just making sure
[17:46] <NoklaM> i pushed a commit that deleted the directories and updated the original file
[17:47] <flocculant> that works for sure
[17:47] <flocculant> NoklaM: just make sure you've done the linking of bug to code ;)
[17:59] <NoklaM> apparently it deleted my original file 
[17:59] <NoklaM> brb got to smoke
[17:59] <NoklaM> argh
[18:00] <flocculant> NoklaM: can;t help immediately - but I do have a local copy now :D
[18:03] <NoklaM> I have no idea what I did /insertMonkeyPictureWithKeyboard
[18:07] <flocculant> done that
[18:07] <flocculant> afk for a bit while we do our irc testing session 
[18:08] <NoklaM> I'll be there in a moment
[18:09] <NoklaM> managed to restore the file /lol
[18:13] <NoklaM> bzr = the devil
[18:14] <flocculant> \o/
[18:22] <NoklaM> I think I'm gona write a post and publish it somewhere about how to avoid getting burned by bzr
[18:23] <flocculant> I'd read it ;)
[18:25] <NoklaM> that is if I did everything right in the last of me using it
[18:25] <NoklaM> else { Go back to square 1 }
[18:45] <Rosco2> Noklam: good idea to write it all down
[18:45] <Rosco2> Plus links to helpful sites
[18:45] <Rosco2> Over time you refer to them less and less
[18:45] <NoklaM> I found the man page explained a lot but the removal part was bad in it
[18:46] <NoklaM> I'll probably start a blog somewhere if for the future testers
[18:46] <NoklaM> but untill i have all the knowledge written down, im gonna ask a lot of question :P
[18:47] <flocculant> NoklaM: few typo's in latest
[18:47] <NoklaM> d'oh
[18:47] <NoklaM> i spell checked :(
[18:47] <NoklaM> I'll fix
[18:50] <NoklaM> Hopefully the gedit spellchecker is worth it
[18:53] <flocculant> yea 
[18:53] <flocculant> yanks 
[18:53] <flocculant> can't spell English it seems :D
[18:56] <NoklaM> I've just pushed the 362 revision which should (spell checker blame) have the spelling mistakes corrected
[18:57] <NoklaM> buginstructions I just read that as begininstructions, must be tired
[19:01] <flocculant> time for beer then ;)
[19:01] <NoklaM> I literally didn't sleep 24h
[19:02] <NoklaM> but that's because i have to go do bloods tomorrow
[19:02] <NoklaM> and my sleep schedule is like swiss cheese
[19:11] <NoklaM> so i can safely delete krita from my files and it won't commit it anymore by the dozens
[20:03] <NoklaM> good night everyone
[20:03] <NoklaM> see you tomorrow
[20:11] <flocculant> night 
[20:47] <zequence> Wow. Busy day :)
[20:48] <flocculant> zequence: yep - and you haz tests :D
[20:55] <zequence> Awesome!
[20:57] <zequence> I've been recording all day. Noticed some problem with our desktop metas. Will have to investigate more tomorrow.
[21:01] <zequence> It doesn't seem to be building, or something. The source is in -proposed, but no binaries.
[21:01] <zequence> Well, the whole meta source package of course, but has something to do with the desktop seeds
[21:02] <flocculant> bah
[21:03] <zequence> I was expecting something like this. Didn't much look at the details the other day.
[21:03] <flocculant> Rosco2: can you please get across to noklam that if they make sure to link bugs and code - someone else doesn't have to chase about making sure bugs get marked properly when code lands 0 thanks :
[21:04] <flocculant> zequence: qa got busy all of a sudden ;)
[21:05] <zequence> flocculant: It did! Nice to see someone like NoklaM show up as well, out of the blue :).
[21:06] <flocculant> yea for sure - did what I could to help there :)
[21:06] <zequence> flocculant: You're a giant help, for sure!
[21:07] <zequence> Prolly sounds better in Swedish.
[21:16] <flocculant> ha ha