[14:54] <MrTulias> hi
[14:56] <flocculant> hello MrTulias 
[14:57] <MrTulias> hello flocculant 
[14:57] <flocculant> how's things
[14:58] <MrTulias> waiting for the meeting about testing :p
[14:59] <flocculant> \o/
[15:00] <flocculant> you know it's 3 hours away I hope :)
[15:00] <MrTulias> yes :)
[15:00] <flocculant> :)
[15:01] <flocculant> have you done much for us before? 
[15:02] <flocculant> name seems familiar
[15:02] <MrTulias> some translations to Spanish
[15:02] <flocculant> aah - that's where I've seen your name perhaps
[15:04] <flocculant> afternoon krytarik 
[15:04] <krytarik> Aftn flocculant.
[15:38] <flocculant> hi drc mexchip 
[17:34] <flocculant> hey sorinel1o 
[17:46] <flocculant> !team | early warning of testing meeting - we'll be using meetingology for that
[17:46] <flocculant> anyone here for the testing session at 18:00 ?
[17:46] <flocculant> that means not team :)
[17:47] <mcs_> yep
[17:47] <flocculant> :)
[17:47] <flocculant> hi mcs_ 
[17:47] <mcs_> hi flocculant 
[17:47] <flocculant> MrTulias was earlier
[17:48] <flocculant> hey akxwi-dave 
[17:48] <akxwi-dave> Hi flocculant 
[17:48] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: join -offtopic
[17:48] <akxwi-dave> join -offtopic
[17:48] <akxwi-dave> oops wrong box
[17:48] <flocculant> :D
[17:49] <flocculant> it's #xubuntu-offtopic :)
[17:49] <akxwi-dave> yup in
[17:52] <flocculant> yep
[18:00] <flocculant> #startmeeting
[18:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Nov 29 18:00:38 2015 UTC.  The chair is flocculant. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:00] <flocculant> #chair akxwi-dave 
[18:00] <meetingology> Current chairs: akxwi-dave flocculant
[18:01] <flocculant> Evening all - so we're going to now run the planned How to test session
[18:01] <flocculant> We're not sure what people need
[18:01] <flocculant> We're sure we need you
[18:02] <flocculant> What we want to do in this session is just run through what we're trying to get during this cycle
[18:02] <flocculant> So - what we first would love to know is who's turned up for the session :)
[18:03] <mcs_> 0/
[18:03] <flocculant> If you're here to learn something from us - then please do as mcs_ did :)
[18:03] <flocculant> hi mexchip 
[18:03] <flocculant> you here for the testing session?
[18:03] <mexchip> hi flocculant, yes
[18:03] <flocculant> \o/
[18:04] <flocculant> just starting up now 
[18:04] <mexchip> yes, sorry for being a bit late
[18:04] <mexchip> but I'm ready :)
[18:04] <flocculant> now worries :)
[18:04] <flocculant> I saw you pitch up earlier
[18:05] <mexchip> yes, testing the IRC software I just installed
[18:05] <flocculant> anyway - lets get a start, akxwi-dave has been pretty active testing for us when we shout out during the last few cycles
[18:06] <akxwi-dave> Afternoon All
[18:06] <flocculant> he recently got approved into the main QA team and this was his first *job* from me
[18:06] <flocculant> so be nice ;)
[18:06] <mcs_> \o/ akxwi-dave 
[18:06] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: - the channel is yours :)
[18:07] <akxwi-dave> Cheers flocculant , As you have just been told, I've been test testing for a few cycles now
[18:07] <akxwi-dave> I started testing to give something back to the community, but it was scary at first
[18:08] <akxwi-dave> not sure if i was doing things right or if it actually helped
[18:08] <akxwi-dave> so hopefully what I'm about the pass on will help you get started in testing Xubuntu
[18:09] <akxwi-dave> feel free to ask anything as I'm doing this
[18:10] <akxwi-dave> to me there's three parts to the testing, ISO's, Packages and Bugs
[18:10] <akxwi-dave> so I'll go thru them one at a time
[18:10] <akxwi-dave> #subtopic iso testing
[18:11] <akxwi-dave> Iso testing is probably the easiest one to get involved with, either by using a spare PC or using a virtual machine
[18:11] <flocculant> oh meh - do we need to #topic first :(
[18:11] <flocculant> #topic testing
[18:11] <akxwi-dave> oops   :
[18:12] <akxwi-dave> lets try again
[18:12] <flocculant> #subtopic iso testing
[18:12] <akxwi-dave> Iso testing is probably the easiest one to get involved with, either by using a spare PC or using a virtual machine
[18:12] <flocculant> could be wrong :)
[18:13]  * flocculant - you carry on akxwi-dave - sorry :p
[18:13] <akxwi-dave> When I first started I was lucky enough to have spare PC, but now I test using Virtual Machines (32bit) and real hardware (64 bit)
[18:14] <akxwi-dave> by downloading either the latest Daily build or even if its just beta version you can help 
[18:14] <akxwi-dave> you can access these from here  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[18:15] <mcs_> Can i ask a question ?
[18:15] <akxwi-dave> of course
[18:15] <flocculant> o/
[18:16] <mcs_> Can we download the isos (the alpha and betas)  from here as well ? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[18:16] <flocculant> yes
[18:16] <mcs_> sorry  gtypo => http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[18:17] <mcs_> OK
[18:17] <flocculant> still yes :)
[18:17] <akxwi-dave> :-)
[18:17] <mcs_> ty
[18:17] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: excuse me for a moment while I make a point
[18:17] <akxwi-dave> off course
[18:18] <NoklaM> Got to ask, how silly of me is to run the developmenet version on my only machine?
[18:18] <flocculant> akxwi-dave is running the session, I'm reading - if people have questions just chuck a o/ into the channel and I will make sure you get chance
[18:19] <flocculant> then we can run the session as akxwi-dave want's and we can ask questions at each topic end, thanks :)
[18:19] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: your channel again :)
[18:19] <akxwi-dave> if you want to be 100 % safe do it as a VM, however my Laptop which i use daily has the latest 16 build on it.04  
[18:19] <akxwi-dave> ta
[18:21] <akxwi-dave> once you have the ISo of you choice take a look at the testcases for that build
[18:21] <akxwi-dave> luckily each test case has  a number of things that we would like to be tested for
[18:22] <akxwi-dave> I personally do them in this order, As I find that I can get a number of things tested in a good run
[18:23] <akxwi-dave> start with the Live Session - and work down the test options
[18:23] <akxwi-dave> basically that it boots to desktop and you can start all the usually applications
[18:24] <akxwi-dave> for me thats the main programs that i would use on a day to day basis
[18:25] <akxwi-dave> if I  get any wierd things happen or programs fail i would write down what I was doing and what went wrong.
[18:26] <akxwi-dave> when I happy I have done that I go back to the  test cases and see if any bugs had been reported for the live session.
[18:26] <akxwi-dave> If there have i check against what I may have found..
[18:27] <akxwi-dave>  I ususally check after the first run, as I don want to infulence my usuage.. but for all the rest of the testing I check the bugs reported first
[18:28] <akxwi-dave> No one fallen asleep yet?  :-)
[18:28] <NoklaM> o/
[18:28] <NoklaM> keep going :P
[18:28] <NoklaM> It's good
[18:28] <akxwi-dave> :-)
[18:29] <mexchip> go on
[18:29] <flocculant> I'm here too :)
[18:29] <mcs_> o/
[18:29] <MrTulias> \o
[18:29] <flocculant> :)
[18:30] <flocculant> o/
[18:30] <akxwi-dave> I then Move to one of the install options - I usually try to alternate which one I go for first..( and choose a different one for the VM testing)
[18:31] <mcs_> o/
[18:31] <akxwi-dave> as you will see here  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/351/builds/107745/testcases/1300/results  there tends to be more to do..
[18:31] <akxwi-dave> mcs a question?
[18:32] <mcs_> yes
[18:32] <akxwi-dave> fire away
[18:33] <mcs_> If i find a bug that is not part of a test case should i be raising to launchpad or xubuntus qa ?
[18:33] <mcs_> ie. against ubuntu or xubuntu ?
[18:33] <flocculant> against the package 
[18:33] <flocculant> example
[18:34] <akxwi-dave> I personally raise it on launchpad ( Which I will come to later) against the package
[18:34] <flocculant> find an issue with mousepad 
[18:34] <flocculant> report it there, you can THEN list that number in the tracker
[18:35] <mcs_> ahh. ty
[18:35] <flocculant> this means that both QA following tracker and dev following package see it :)
[18:35] <mcs_> right. ic
[18:35] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: unless that was what you intended to say :)
[18:36] <akxwi-dave> word for word flocculant   :-)
[18:36] <akxwi-dave> back to the installation testcase
[18:37] <akxwi-dave> as you may see there is usually more to check, so before I do I tend to see if any other bugs have been reported so I can check for them While installing
[18:37] <akxwi-dave> again writing anything  i find down for later
[18:38] <akxwi-dave> and finally after the install I do the post install test, following the testcase along with using all the programs I use in  a day to day basis..
[18:39] <akxwi-dave> on a side note I also tend to install any restricted drivers available and steam, along with a game
[18:40] <akxwi-dave> just to test it as I would truly use it..
[18:40] <flocculant> \o/
[18:40] <flocculant> important point ;)
[18:40] <akxwi-dave> once all the testcases have been done I then file the reports
[18:40] <akxwi-dave> :-)
[18:42] <akxwi-dave> if you do get any of the bugs that have been recorded before PLEASE make sure you report them as well, just because some one has already reported it, its still important that you do
[18:42] <akxwi-dave> the more people that report a bug, shows that its not an isolated case
[18:42] <flocculant> yep
[18:43] <akxwi-dave> as a caveat to that. there will be obvious ones that will not need to be reported  i.e. the Gmusic Browser bug
[18:43] <akxwi-dave> but if in Doubt please please report it
[18:44] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: that has gone from the testcase now 
[18:44] <akxwi-dave> thats the end of this subtopic any questions before we move on to testing packages
[18:45] <flocculant> I had one :)
[18:45] <akxwi-dave> pls ask..
[18:45] <flocculant> if I start an iso test - is there a way that I can say I am testing it? 
[18:46] <akxwi-dave> yes you can
[18:46] <flocculant> ok thanks - how? 
[18:47] <akxwi-dave> logging into the tracker where you report the test results, you can set the result to "Testing"
[18:47] <akxwi-dave> rather than passed or failed
[18:47] <akxwi-dave> and go back and edit it once you are finished
[18:47] <flocculant> ok thanks akxwi-dave 
[18:48] <akxwi-dave> That also go for if you reported one as passed you can then go back and change it to failed and vice versa
[18:48] <flocculant> did mcs_ get syncing info earlier?
[18:48] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: good good point :)
[18:49] <mcs_> flocculant: ? i don't think so 
[18:49] <flocculant> ok
[18:50] <akxwi-dave> #subtopic Package testing and PPA's
[18:50] <flocculant> just to tie this section up - there are ways to just grab the differenc
[18:50] <NoklaM> o/
[18:50] <mcs_> o/
[18:50] <flocculant> I'll touch on those at the end though
[18:51] <akxwi-dave> before i continue any other questions?
[18:51] <flocculant> as akxwi-dave is now on what we REALLY want :)
[18:51] <mcs_> i was going to enquire about zsync but i suspect that'll come later
[18:52] <akxwi-dave> mcs_, yes it will do flocculant is going to do that at the end
[18:52] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: get on with packages where  I willl be noisy :D
[18:52] <mcs_> ty
[18:52] <akxwi-dave> right packages.. this is the bit that is really fun... 
[18:52] <flocculant> ***PACKAGE TESTING ****
[18:52] <flocculant> :D
[18:53] <akxwi-dave> lol
[18:53] <akxwi-dave> if you read the get involved section of the website it mentions there are 3  testing PPA's that are used.
[18:54] <akxwi-dave> and these need to be installed
[18:54] <akxwi-dave> http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa
[18:54] <akxwi-dave> to make it easier for people I will list the terminal commands to install these
[18:54] <akxwi-dave> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:shimmerproject/daily
[18:54] <akxwi-dave> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-staging
[18:54] <akxwi-dave> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xubuntu-dev/ppa
[18:55] <akxwi-dave> sudo apt-get update
[18:55] <akxwi-dave> sudo apt-get upgrade
[18:55] <akxwi-dave> I do this because people may be great at testing, but not necessarilty great at the terminal ( looks both ways and hides)
[18:56] <akxwi-dave> first thing i do before any package testing is to check there are no updates
[18:56] <akxwi-dave> and manually do and update and upgrade
[18:57] <akxwi-dave> i then go to the package tracker http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/
[18:57] <flocculant> o/
[18:57] <akxwi-dave> here for the latest ones
[18:57] <akxwi-dave> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/350/builds/105268/testcases
[18:57] <akxwi-dave> yes flocculant ?
[18:58] <flocculant> can I just jump in quickly
[18:58] <akxwi-dave> of course
[18:58] <flocculant> re those PPAs
[18:58] <flocculant> anyone can add those when supported
[18:59] <flocculant> but - we would urge people using them to also have ppa-purge installed so you can test *new* for a while 
[19:00] <flocculant> then purge the ppa and go back to default
[19:00] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: sorry - carry on :)
[19:00] <akxwi-dave> no probs flocculant 
[19:02] <akxwi-dave> the good thing about package testing is that as there a large number of test cases, and it may look daunting, you can choose which one to do at any time
[19:02] <akxwi-dave> and like the ISO testing, the test cases have very good instructions of what to test..
[19:03] <akxwi-dave> first time i looked at them, I will admit I was scared, and thought omg.. but after 10 mins of reading them.. it was more the case ok lets do this
[19:04] <flocculant> :)
[19:04] <akxwi-dave> using the same methods as for the ISO's I look at the bugs that may have been recorded for the testcase i'm about to do
[19:05] <akxwi-dave> for example the XFCE appearance settings one   http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/350/builds/105268/testcases/1575/results
[19:06] <akxwi-dave> and work thru the instructions.
[19:06] <flocculant> oh pick one you can fail me on :p
[19:06] <akxwi-dave> Oh yes..
[19:06] <flocculant> even if it does prove a point :D
[19:07] <akxwi-dave> if you have looked at this testcase you will see  found a bug and reported it via launchpad
[19:08] <akxwi-dave> now,, i didnt just rush off and reported it , i retested that section a number of times before i did, just to make sure I hadn't done anything wrong
[19:09] <akxwi-dave> if you do find a bug and report it it will get picked up and checked by the team..
[19:09] <akxwi-dave> just like this one..   http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/350/builds/105268/testcases/1584/results
[19:10] <akxwi-dave> this shows that even if you think you may find a bug and its checked it may not be one
[19:10] <akxwi-dave> in this case I checked this one a number of times before reporting, and eventually as you will see it was my VM that was faulty
[19:11] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: in one
[19:11] <GridCube> MrTulias ping
[19:11] <MrTulias> ?
[19:12] <akxwi-dave> the message with this is you may not always get it right..  but if you have tested it and get the same result a number of times report it
[19:12] <flocculant> the first appearsto be a real bug :
[19:12] <GridCube> P: i think this is the meeting you wanted to be around
[19:12] <MrTulias> :)
[19:13] <akxwi-dave> dont let the ones I have linked put you off, off the package testcases, there a number that have only a few steps
[19:14] <akxwi-dave> start with those to get the hang off it.. once you do you will find you are half way down the list before you know it
[19:14] <akxwi-dave> obiously some of them are better tested with real hardware
[19:15] <akxwi-dave> for example to bluetooth connectivity
[19:15] <akxwi-dave> but real hardware or virtual machines.. any testing is helpfuul
[19:16] <flocculant> ^^
[19:16] <akxwi-dave> any questions?
[19:16] <flocculant> loads :D
[19:16] <mcs_> o/
[19:17] <flocculant> bunch of statements too :_P
[19:17] <akxwi-dave> fire away
[19:17] <mcs_> who ?
[19:17] <flocculant> perhaps if w #topic flocculant then let people ask stuff
[19:18] <akxwi-dave> mcs first
[19:18] <flocculant> #subtopic Xubuntu extras
[19:18] <mcs_> just to be clear about testing the PPA, i could...
[19:18] <flocculant> mcs_: the ?
[19:19] <mcs_> flocculant: i was going to ask a question
[19:19] <flocculant> yep - go ahead 
[19:19] <mcs_> ty
[19:20] <mcs_> i could download a daily iso, update and upgrade it, add the PPAs using the commands above ^^^ update and upgrade again and then i'm good to go ? 
[19:20] <akxwi-dave> yes
[19:20] <mcs_> ty
[19:21] <akxwi-dave> Thats what I do on my laptop.. and test the individual iso's om a vm
[19:21] <flocculant> mcs_: for people not understanding
[19:23] <flocculant> grab the daily image http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current and you can zsync it
[19:23] <flocculant> I alias image to zyncing the pair
[19:24] <flocculant> anyone questions about testing apps?
[19:24] <akxwi-dave> two links that can help to bookmark for reporting new bugs
[19:24] <akxwi-dave> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[19:24] <akxwi-dave> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/?no-redirect
[19:25] <akxwi-dave> these along with the full list of test cases are auto loaded for me when I start testing.. just in case
[19:25] <flocculant> last call
[19:26] <flocculant> closing at 7:30
[19:26] <akxwi-dave> once of the hardest things when reporting bugs is the tags.. don't worry if you get them wrong first times around flocculant  can change them :-)
[19:27] <akxwi-dave> if any one has any questions after this session feel free to grab me anytime
[19:27] <mcs_> o/
[19:27] <akxwi-dave> yes mcs
[19:28] <mcs_> is it too early to start testing now ? i.e next week ?
[19:28] <akxwi-dave> nope startwhen you are ready
[19:28] <mcs_> ty
[19:29] <flocculant> #endmeeting
[19:29] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Nov 29 19:29:23 2015 UTC.  
[19:29] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-11-29-18.00.moin.txt
[19:29] <akxwi-dave> thank you all for coming
[19:30] <akxwi-dave> hope this has helped even if in some small way
[19:30] <mcs_> ty akxwi-dave flocculant 
[19:30] <flocculant> mcs_: I've been running the dev version since the day after release as alwa
[19:30] <NoklaM> thanks lads, very informative :)
[19:30] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: thank you man :)
[19:31] <flocculant> I'll try and get some logs out of it for the wiki
[19:31] <akxwi-dave> anytime :-)
[19:32] <flocculant> perhaps when we do session 2 we'll do the next stage 
[19:33] <flocculant> runs with dev, runs with ppa, runs away :p
[19:33] <akxwi-dave> lol
[19:33] <flocculant> sadly I am serious :p
[19:34] <flocculant> we should follow that basic session up - bluesabre will REALLY hate me then :P
[19:34] <flocculant> he he he 
[19:35] <akxwi-dave> lmao.. :-)
[19:35] <flocculant> he won'y:
[19:36] <akxwi-dave> Well hopefully that will help..  wish i had thought of asking for a bit of guidance when I first started, it can be scary until you get to the point when it clicks
[19:36] <flocculant> 't
[19:36] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: hah hah
[19:37] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: exactly what I had hoped for from you 
[19:38] <mexchip> thanks for the session, it was very informative
[19:38] <flocculant> they might know yet - but it was spot on 
[19:38] <flocculant> thanks mexchip 
[19:38] <akxwi-dave> well time time to go mate... was the wifes birthday last thurday and i need to take her to the pub
[19:38] <akxwi-dave> cheers mexchip  and thx
[19:38] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: good evening then :)
[19:39] <akxwi-dave> will be back on tomorrow.. have fun
[22:47] <knome_tracker> eh.
[23:05] <knome_tracker> doesn't look any better, seems like i'm dropping off soon again.
[23:14] <knome> this looks more promising
[23:52] <tsimonq2> hey, gonna give you guys a hand, after I am done with Lubuntu ISO test cases, I am going to do some Xubuntu ones
[23:53] <tsimonq2> although at this point it is less important then it would be later on in the release schedule, why not?
[23:53] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯