[01:34] <chilts> ibeardslee: except, no, they can't do it
[01:35] <chilts> apparently they couldn't get the old copper cable out, so they'll send a new team in to cut up the driveway to put the new cable down
[01:35] <chilts> so I'm stuck on this crappy connection for longer now :/
[01:42] <ibeardslee> bugger
[01:56] <mwhudson> chilts: argh
[01:56] <G> Hmmm, remembering from reading back, Lenovo laptops have had a lot of discussion here, is the Gen3 Carbon a yay or nay for Ubuntu/etc?
[01:57] <mwhudson> G: working pretty well for me
[01:57] <mwhudson> ibeardslee might still be able to get you one without windows too...
[02:00] <ibeardslee> had some issues with the super high resolution version
[02:00] <G> ibeardslee: oh?
[02:01] <ibeardslee> yeah we still seem to need to use the Utopic lts-enablement kernel
[02:01] <G> Personally, I'm not sure if I should jump now, or wait and see if they do a Gen 4 with USB-C & 6th Gen Intel
[02:02] <ibeardslee> although the default 14.04 trusty kernel may not be an issue if you don't care about the screen in the boot process of the disk decryption passphrase being unreadable
[02:03] <G> In that regard Dell seem to fall in the 1-up category, but from everything I've read and seen, the build quality and design are a bit shoddy...
[02:03] <G> ibeardslee: haha, anything could be better than Ubuntu on my current desktop ;)
[02:03] <ibeardslee> a fresh install of the 14.04.02 kernel (essentially the same as the Vivid lts enablement) breaks the display for external monitors a bit
[02:04] <mwhudson> ibeardslee: or you could just run wily :-)
[02:04] <ibeardslee> that seems to be a problem as well
[02:04] <mwhudson> oh?
[02:04] <mwhudson> it's working fine for me
[02:04] <ibeardslee> hmmm
[02:04] <ibeardslee> with an external display?
[02:05] <ibeardslee> HDMI or the mini displayport?
[02:05] <mwhudson> external display
[02:05] <mwhudson> using a dock, mind
[02:06] <mwhudson> i've used the builtin hdmi to play stuff on tv at home
[02:06] <G> mwhudson: you use the OneLink Dock?
[02:06] <mwhudson> G: the onelink pro one yeah
[02:06] <ibeardslee> we use those as well
[02:07] <mwhudson> one "poorly documented" feature was that the dock can only drive one screen > 1080p
[02:07] <ibeardslee> need to still use the minidisplay port for the 2nd external monitor
[02:07] <ibeardslee> yes
[02:07] <mwhudson> ibeardslee: i thought that was a dock limitation, not a kernel one?
[02:07] <ibeardslee> well it can drive two, but they are cloned :(
[02:08] <ibeardslee> mwhudson: I understand that those docks are supposed to support two displays .. for a certain legacy operating system
[02:09] <ibeardslee> I could be wrong and misread something, which would be annoying.
[02:09] <mwhudson> ibeardslee: it works for two displays if both are set at 1920x1080
[02:10] <mwhudson> or it did for me when i was last fooling around with this
[02:10] <ibeardslee> hmm
[02:10] <ibeardslee> Looks like I may have to find some time to do some more playing
[02:10] <ibeardslee> .. testing
[02:10] <G> hmmmm, wonder how it'd react to two 1920x1200s then...
[02:13] <mwhudson> heh didn't try that
[02:14] <ibeardslee> mwhudson: that's with Wily?
[02:14] <mwhudson> ibeardslee: it was with vivid
[02:14] <mwhudson> i only have one monitor plugged in currently for $reasons
[02:15] <ibeardslee> G: of course that discussion about the silly high resolution on the display is irrelevant now, as we have a lower spec than what mwhudson got.
[02:15] <mwhudson> G: http://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/options/tp_onelink_pro_dock_ug_en.pdf sez that two 1920x1200 is ok
[02:16] <ibeardslee> i5, 8GB, 256GB, 1920x1080 non-touch
[02:16] <mwhudson> ibeardslee: yeah, the hires screen is nice but not very practical
[02:16] <mwhudson> if only you could get 16GB somehow, it would be close to perfect
[02:17] <ibeardslee> we are getting the T550 for those that need a full on desktop replacement developer spec
[02:17] <ibeardslee> I had heard a rumour that the Gen 2 was supposed to have been available with 16GB
[02:17] <ibeardslee> but that seemed to be wrong
[02:18] <G> that is a good point, the hires on the same Intel 5500 can't be that great performance wise, just eat up more battery & that.
[02:18] <G> mwhudson: ibeardslee: what is the glare situation like?
[02:19] <mwhudson> G: the hires is just squinty ime :-)
[02:19] <mwhudson> G: um, fine? that's not the sort of thing i tend to get upset about in other laptops though
[02:19] <mwhudson> also i use an external display a lot of the time
[02:19] <ibeardslee> they seem to be reasonable, unfortunately I don't have one myself so haven't used it for extended time in different places
[02:20] <ibeardslee> reasonably ok
[02:20] <G> Thanks, main thing is, it works okay :)
[02:22] <ibeardslee> yes
[02:24] <mwhudson> yep
[02:24] <ibeardslee> on the whole we are pretty happy with them
[02:24] <ibeardslee> all 70 or so of the X1s
[02:25] <ibeardslee> as I remind each Dell Account Manager giving me a call
[02:25] <G> Yeah, well that is why even though the XPS is more up to date I'm seriously thinking of getting the Carbon instead
[02:26] <ibeardslee> can you get an XPS in NZ without a legacy OS?
[02:28] <G> Good point, that too (although I'm not so worried about that, it's only what, an extra 100-ish dollars OEM, not like I'm buying 100 of them :))
[02:29] <ibeardslee> Our theory at Catalyst has been that we want the suppliers records to show that they sold $x laptops without Windows
[02:30] <ibeardslee> we make serious effort to buy our laptops without a Windows licence
[02:31] <G> Yeah, I really do wish they'd make more of an effort in that regard
[02:36] <ibeardslee> according to the lastest Dell guy .. As discussed, please check the below link for Latitude E6450, click on help me choose option at Operating system section which shows that Ubuntu 12.04 Linux is available.
[02:36] <ibeardslee> http://www.dell.com/nz/business/p/latitude-e6540-laptop/pd?oc=cal204e6540nz&model_id=latitude-e6540-laptop&l=en&s=bsd
[02:40] <mwhudson> 12.04 woo
[02:40] <G> haha
[02:41] <G> I think I'll pass on Dell :)
[02:41] <ibeardslee> meh who really cares about the Linux version
[02:41] <mwhudson> oh yeah, you can't actually select it?
[02:41] <mwhudson> the xps developer editions looked pretty nice
[02:41] <mwhudson> before they sold out
[02:41] <ibeardslee> yeah, have to call or get in touch with Dell directly about it
[02:48]  * ibeardslee isn't looking forward to Dell actually starting to make laptops with Linux more readily available in NZ
[02:49] <ibeardslee> it means that I'd have to seriously consider getting them and then dealing with there 'support'
[02:49] <ibeardslee> s/there/their/
[19:06] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:06] <ibeardslee> a somewhat damp one in the capital
[19:25] <hads_> Morning. Hot one down here.
[20:33] <olly_> morning