[01:29] half past 1 and not a creature is stirring... the shop alarm however, is singing out over the town [03:07] where are my late night shift pals :( [03:21] Mastur .. sleeping. [03:22] :> [07:16] Morning all [07:23] heya o/ [07:23] welcome to December! [07:25] yay [07:46] * zmoylan-pi notifies strategic air command, this'll be the year we bag santa... [07:47] :) [07:51] we now have surface to reindeer missiles... ho ho ho :-P [07:52] track him here later in the month :) - http://www.noradsanta.org/ [07:56] microsoft and norad.... makes me feel safer... [09:05] Morning all [09:06] morning davmor2 [09:06] \o [09:10] Well it's officially Christmas Tunes Time by the sound of the radio [09:11] :) [09:12] Christmas 24 on the telly too :D [09:19] MooDoo: that has been there for months, I think radio makes a concerted effort to not play Christmas Songs till the first though [09:19] awww yis laptop delivered \o/ [09:22] lol amazon shipped me a laptop in its' box, in another box... wat [09:22] such a waste [09:25] that's the box liberation front in action... [09:27] ooh this £200 Lenovo is very nice [09:28] a lot thinner than some of the earlier B50 line [09:28] thin... see what the battery life is like... [09:28] well it's a tiny battery and battery life isn't relevant to this guys needs, so why would that matter? [09:28] horses for courses, sir [09:29] I've just received two my cloud hard drives in a big box, half of it was empty, another waste [09:32] how can i check the TTL value of a record in the DNS server [09:32] not the current secs , but the value stored in the config file [09:33] * bashrc_ is reminded that he still needs a new laptop [09:34] wait till new year sales and get a bargain? [09:35] Howdy guys [09:39] heya [09:39] ouch, 1TB spinner doing the initial Windows 8 setup... painfully slow :) [09:39] sadly the postie didn't bring the SSD that despatched at the same time! perhaps it'll be a day behind :( [09:40] it's been used as a doorstop in postal department.... :-) [09:44] * zmoylan-pi remembers using a full height 5mb hard drive as a door stop till we sent it out to a customer to replace their dead drive... :-) /they don't build them like that anymore [09:46] with good reason! [10:07] wow, give support for a while, not even a thanks [10:07] good ol' #ubuntu [10:08] people only seem to appreciate things they pay for, it's sad but true... [10:08] * daftykins starts charging in cookies [10:09] US kid with a school provided laptop, he claims they won't replace the disk in it based on this - http://pastebin.com/zyQR6rnY [10:09] * zmoylan-pi gives daftykins huge pack of figrolls... [10:09] mmmm fig rolls :D thank you! [10:09] * daftykins sings "fig-a-roll fig-a-roll fig-a-roooooooooll!" [10:10] "But it's only pre-fail!" [10:10] He should just back up, remove the disk, drop it on a hard floor a couple of times, and put it in and rejoice as it emits the click of death. [10:11] i replaced drives depending on how they sounded... that's 1 reason i like hard drives over ssd so much :-) [10:11] a rubber panel beaters mallet can hit the hard drive and leave no marks for percussive maintenance... [10:11] I've never had an SSD fail so far [10:11] don't type that!! :-) [10:12] oh please, life is too short not to run SSDs [10:12] Really cheap awful thumbdrives, yes [10:12] that's asking the gods of mocking to kill a ssd for fun... [10:12] 8GB Ones that were knocked down to £1.50 by Scan [10:12] Presumably because they were so slow and bad and failure prone [10:13] I have a 500GB SSD wired into my computer that I'm not using yet :-) [10:13] Because reinstalling Windows is going to be such a hassle [10:13] how come o0 [10:13] it's just lovely ;) [10:14] i'm letting this new Lenovo backup its' factory image to a spare external HDD right now [10:15] But but, you couldn't possibly want to *get rid of* the factory supplied OS ?!?!??!?! [10:16] daftykins, in seriousness... I have a fairly old Ubuntu install on here as my main productivity OS, as well as Windows for the games [10:16] I've got about a TB of installed games and a bunch of tweaks to my Ubuntu install [10:16] Including software installed in /opt etc [10:17] Good morning all! Happy Giving Tuesday, and happy Bifocals at the Monitor Liberation Day! 😃 [10:17] Just planning the new partition table and whether I go for plain SSD + Spinning rust or SSD as Intel RST cache / dm-cache for the spinning rust is daunting [10:18] JamesTait: you're just going out of your way to be obtuse with these now aren't you [10:19] no no obtuse day is next year sometime :-) [10:21] zmoylan-pi, probably. [10:21] davmor2, I picked that one just for you. 😉 [10:23] JamesTait: this has to be the ultimate in glasses wearers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePiGVI2Hs-g now to find a song [10:24] davmor2, if that's Timmy Mallett, I'm getting in my car and coming down the A38 to hit you. [10:24] JamesTait: it was tempting but I went with the more bareable glasses wearer instead [10:25] How on earth did he wear those and keep a straight face? [10:25] Maybe didn't have a choice - he couldn't raise a smile under that weight. [10:26] probably cocaine... [10:33] JamesTait: got a song on glasses https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ah9_cw7MS4 [10:33] https://youtu.be/YiVMmAk45oY mwahahahahahahahaha [10:34] MooDoo: czajkowski will send you to the naughty step === pwaring_ is now known as pwaring [10:36] it's a full step at this stage [10:38] czajkowski: here you go a song on glasses just for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8IEas-ou4c [10:40] JamesTait: Hah just thought of the perfect song, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGU_4-5RaxU that's me covered for the day thank you very much indeed [10:41] here, this'll get you in the mood... https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/sht-happens-sometimes-47.jpg?quality=94&strip=info&w=600 :-) [10:44] czajkowski, tell me you weren't singing along to Let It Go. 😉 [10:47] JamesTait: hey dude don't deny it you were dressed up prancing around your office to it, the web cam never lies ;) [10:49] davmor2, it's CD 2 Track 1 on a compilation my wife bought for the car. The number of times I've trolled my boys with that - it just never gets old. I've grown to like the song. [10:49] JamesTait: and you can't help but sing to it, she can deny it all she wants but we know the truth [10:50] It is one to sing along to. [10:51] perl weenies: how do i check if a variable contains the $ sign? [10:52] do i need to escape it? [10:54] foobarry: Depends how you're searching for it [10:54] With a regex, yes you will need to escape it because $ has a special meaning [10:55] I need a hashing system for hostnames to terminal colours [10:55] so that I can colour them differently in prompts [10:55] anyone got such a thing? [10:56] hmm, I think you can do that in zsh [10:56] foobarry: a quick easy web-based way of determining the ttl of a dns record: http://api.statdns.com/example.com/a where /example.com is the domain to check and /a is the record-type to check [10:56] JamesTait: that's not trolling them, making them sing "The timewarp" In costume that's trolling them [10:56] diddledan_: thanks i was missing the -v on the host cmd [10:56] aah [10:57] foobarry: the web-thingy I linked can be used by a lot of stuff due to being JSON output, but for human readable I would guess host would be simpler and quicker [10:58] here's ubuntu.com for example usage: http://api.statdns.com/ubuntu.com/a [11:00] looks like I was wrong tho - the ttl used to be static on that api but now seems to be changing per cache === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [12:00] pwaring: reference appreciated if you have one :) [12:00] * Laney is playing Godspeed at 11 [12:00] it's making my desk vibrate [12:01] bet this sounds like terrible noise to anyone else [12:01] Laney: I haven't used zsh much but I have these links bookmarked [12:01] https://github.com/zsh-users/zsh-syntax-highlighting [12:01] https://git.gitano.org.uk/personal/dsilvers/resources.git/tree/zsh [12:03] some people spend a lot of time tweaking these things [12:03] * Laney is thankful for such people [12:51] :) [12:53] Laney: ...you black emperor? [12:53] indeed [12:53] \o/ [12:54] The car is on fire, there's no driver at the wheel. [12:55] o_O [12:57] hi dan! [12:57] Ugh....Windows 10 update [12:57] on 7? 8? [12:57] Gone from 7 to 10 [12:58] Works laptop [12:58] Did you upgrade, or fresh install? [12:58] Apparently the installer permits an activation with a Win7 key now [12:58] Its an upgrade, first impressions are that its not too bad, just feels slow [12:59] I just think NTFS gets slow unless you bleach it once in a while [13:00] Is it indexing things? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:00] Doesn't seem to be [13:00] My Win7 install spends about 5 minutes churning the disk when I start up, gets so slow that even keypresses take a few seconds to register while you're typing [13:02] :( smells like a horrid mechanical disk to me, that :D [13:02] dpeends on memory as well, my laptop with a upgrade and 8gb seems ok [13:02] 16GB in both my main GUI machines [13:03] Mostly so I can run a Windows VM in Linux and give it enough RAM not to chug [13:06] (4GB seems to be the minimum these days) [13:06] 4GB is enough to run Windows 8 [13:06] At least in a VM on my machine [13:06] Yeah, 2GB and it was swapping to disk when you started a productivity app [13:06] (Win 7 pro in a VM) [13:07] And 4GB and it was crowding my available RAM on Linux (at 8GB of physical RAM) so I shoved a couple more sticks in there [13:19] adobe are renaming flash to adobe animate cc [13:19] ref: https://blogs.adobe.com/flashpro/welcome-adobe-animate-cc-a-new-era-for-flash-professional/ [13:23] That's just the creation app, though, no hint they're renaming Flash Player [13:24] As much as I'd like to say "Look! They want to get away from the negative image of Flash!!!" [13:25] i suppose there'll be no more quiet eminatings of "ah-aaaaaaah" in our heads anymore without flash :( [13:25] I'm more interested in their effort to move to html5 output rather than swf than bashing the flash player [13:26] I'm.... concerned [13:26] It would be terrible to be inundated with thousands of enormous HTML5 ads that you can't block with FlashBlock any more... === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:20] * zmoylan-pi fires up lynx browser and awaits the onslaught of html5 adverts... :-) [14:38] deadpool looks hilarious [15:21] good afternoon all. === brobosti1on is now known as brobostigon [15:27] http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/google-decides-to-end-support-for-google-chrome-on-32-bit-linux-oses-496934.shtml [15:28] lynx it is :-) [15:28] But they're still supporting the 32 bit Chromium builds [15:28] now that chrome are doing it, it's about time that *everything* dropped 32 bit [15:29] google are well in tune with 2 things, technology and money. If they've decided it's too expensive to support 32 bit, it's probably too expensive for everyone else [15:30] I wonder what my chances of getting Google Chrom for an 8 bit Commodore Vic 20 are [15:30] \o/ [15:30] there is a web browser for c64 iirc [15:30] but it need those extra 60k of ram... [15:31] just reading through the announcement, it seems that they're just dropping support for 32bit Ubuntu, and for 12.04 and below, so it's not really killing off 32 bit for everyone [15:31] I don't get why 32bit is still the default for lots of software - even 64bit packages on windows usually have 32bit software with maybe one or two supporting things that are 64bit - e.g. drivers: the driver itself is 64bit enough to get loaded into windows' kernel but everything else is 32bit [15:32] 32 bit has got to go :( [15:32] ^ that! [15:32] I think intel had the right idea with replacing x86 entirely with itanium [15:32] nothing wrong with 32bit... more than enough [15:32] zmoylan-pi: you still use a nokia tho [15:33] i may be a *smidge* biased :-) [15:33] zmoylan-pi: so I'm not sure you're quite the target audience for "modern" [15:33] doesn't make me wrong though... [15:34] you need to listen to linux luddites podcast which has the tagline "we review all the new stuff and decide we like the old stuff better" [15:34] Naah, I've been dealing with problem domains that definitely need 64-bit address spaces [15:34] at least with open source the problem solves itself as the commercial market moves on a small goup of dedicated nutters keeps 32 bit afloat :-) [15:34] Just Java programs that need a large heap are an example [15:34] zmoylan-pi: you're referring to yourself with the term "nutters"? [15:35] java >.< [15:35] e.g. dealing with a large graph like SNOMED CT which has ~ 500k nodes and 1.5M edges [15:35] no no, i prefer 8 bit instead of this fancy schmancy 32 silliness :-D [15:35] On Windows, 32-bit java heap space is limited to around 1.2GB [15:35] zmoylan-pi: I believe there's still 8088 chips available [15:36] java is a pain with it's memory allocator from what I can tell [15:36] You can DO things with SNOMED CT in that space, if you write really tight code (I wrote a special collection class) [15:36] it refuses to let the OS do it's job with allocations and just reserves a chunk which it carves-up internally [15:36] The Hotspot VM wants contiguous address space : Windows plonks a massive block in the middle of address space you're not allowed to use [15:37] * zmoylan-pi waits for https://github.com/EtchedPixels/FUZIX to become viable... :-) [15:37] yeah, I just don't get why that's a good idea on the part of the Hotspot VM [15:37] Presumably it's because the VM is essentially pretending to be a computer [15:38] And having to deal with the different malloc() quirks of different OSs is annoying [15:39] Having a VM that can reserve multiple blocks of RAM is probably regarded as a moot point now [15:39] Because 64-bit is a thing [15:39] and 128bit last time i looked at processors talk [15:39] 128-bit address spaces are for the insane physics professors [15:40] or the cosmologists... [15:40] I was lumping them in with the former [15:40] physicians :-p [15:40] then the use of word insane is redundant :-) [15:42] you might get away with using the term "wonks"? [15:42] i.e. physics wonks [15:42] boffins has unfortunately fallen out of favour... [15:42] :-( [15:43] boffin or "boff" was used as an insult when I was at school :-( [15:45] https://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/671716706717446145 [15:46] Kittens : http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b06qzmw4/meet-the-kittens-episode-1 [15:46] (have just get_iplayered the lot, so I can go "Awwwwwwwww" and cheer myself up) [15:47] Episode 1 is a bit pants [15:47] They're too small and not active enough to be interesting [15:50] then watch simons cat... https://www.youtube.com/user/simonscat [15:54] lol @ microsoft trying to be friendly: http://www.macrumors.com/2015/12/01/microsofts-holiday-ad-peace/ [15:58] Would love it if Apple responded to "Peace" with "WAR" [15:58] would have loved if some crazy tux costumed linux user legged it in and photobombed the shoot :-) [16:05] i have just been to pinch the Surface Pro 4 :o [16:05] wow it's light [16:09] :-) [16:14] they're very snazzily made [16:14] this pen thing is quite funny :P [16:14] i'm using it to avoid smudging up the screen [16:15] draw us a picture :-) [16:15] * zmoylan-pi remembers using stylus on psions and palms and cleaning the screen maybe once a week at most.., [16:16] pen != stylus :-p [16:16] but android and iphones are icky and need to be wiped much more often... [16:22] https://www.dropbox.com/s/yx5by5jfb1dq4nq/IMG_20151201_162115.jpg?dl=0 [16:22] *cough* [16:24] :-p [16:25] well err, there's a new one on me [16:25] i got it to boot the newer win10 build flash drive, but naturally no input works ;) [16:27] The Palm screen was grey/green at the back though [16:27] Wouldn't show the fingerprints [16:28] oh it did but the os was designed to be more efficent with stlus [16:28] *stylus [16:28] Yeah, I liked Graffiti (1) [16:28] Such a pity they had to alter it because of a patent claim [16:29] the above drawing was really impressive, it genuinely felt like i had a pen on paper [16:30] which was eventually ruled bogus but they stuck with grafitti 2 [16:33] Happily you could plunk a copy of the old library on and get Graffiti 1 (at least on the Palm III( [16:33] I still have my Palm III somewhere [16:34] And because it used removable AAA batteries, it doesn't have a dead battery pack. [16:34] I so wanted them to port PalmOS to the Nintendo DS [16:34] i had a visor neo with an added sd card slot... great device [16:35] :) [16:36] after my iiic after my iiix [16:36] daftykins: https://www.dropbox.com/s/zkw7wyaxstadh24/Microsoft-Edge-Web-Notes--ubuntu-u171008984.jpg?dl=0 [16:37] heh @ my email [16:37] oops :-p [16:37] XD [16:37] we knew it anyway ;) [16:37] lol [16:37] tis fairly guessable :-D [16:38] and in response to your greeting... http://imgur.com/feMoCPI :-D [16:38] I find it odd that some services use knowing the email address as a viable proof that you're allowed to reset a password [16:39] especially when they say something like "complete the email 'da*********@bowlhat.net'" [16:41] I wonder how much a 48inch super-wide touchscreen would cost [16:42] (to combine with a surface) [16:42] depends on the truck it fell out of the back off... :-) [16:42] I like lots of desktop [16:42] you'd be scrolling for days to get the mouse cursor all the way from one side of screen to other... [16:43] I've got two 24inch thingies right now so it wouldn't be anything different [16:43] i used to have a little program that would change the sensitivity for people i liked to annoy... :-P [16:44] isn't that built-in? [16:44] 1-2 a week set to slow.... at random... [16:44] kept my boss amused... [16:44] he kept thinking it was a faulty mouse and had a huge pile on his desk [16:45] that and using vnc to move his mouse cursor a few mm to the right just before he clicked... [16:51] oh dear : https://twitter.com/WhatsTrending/status/671705583800688640 [16:52] Hahahahahah [16:53] not the only ones to slip up... http://s198.photobucket.com/user/dailyfuzzone/media/brown.png.html [16:55] I think that one is fake [16:55] http://uk.complex.com/style/2014/08/logos-that-are-accidentally-sexually-explicit/deccan-engineering-enterprise [16:55] no it's just a mirror image of the zune logo. i remember it on the day it was launched as someone noticed it reflection of their bag and pointed it out online iirc [16:56] and once you've seen it you can't unsee it... [17:04] I really should stop following sourceforge on the twits [17:04] https://twitter.com/sourceforge/status/671736313503195136 <-- apparently customising your web browser involves completely replacing [17:05] I'm betting they're promoting that because they have a spyware/adware in the installer [17:14] diddledan_: I no longer download anything from SF [17:14] Which is sad, because it was once the old GitHub [17:15] yeah [17:16] hmm, so if a hard disk dies and I've not backed-it-up can I sue Western Digital for compensation now? re: http://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/pensioner-wins-compensation-after-apple-wipes-his-photos/ar-AAfSTJm?ocid=spartandhp [17:39] http://definitelyrealquotes.com/?id=10_7 [17:39] deary be [17:41] lol @ http://definitelyrealquotes.com/?id=0_11 [17:41] domain seems legit [17:42] NSFW, but I can totally see winston saying this: http://definitelyrealquotes.com/?id=12_1 [17:43] he was quite lost if he needed to call the US services [17:43] http://definitelyrealquotes.com/?id=2_6 [17:43] good ol' aristotle [17:44] then there's gandhi: http://definitelyrealquotes.com/?id=5_5 [17:45] from clicking a few times, the id is _ [17:46] so http://definitelyrealquotes.com/?id=5_6 is the same quote as aristotle [17:54] hi === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [18:04] I love these two geeks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSjL1lrNAx4 [18:05] "a browser could send a message to say 'could you not, mate?'." [18:10] https://twitter.com/shanselman/status/671752256975323136 [18:11] i had to tag in iTunes for Windows the other day [18:11] if you have "Artist blah" and you want to delete blah, it won't let you highlight " blah" [18:11] or rather it does, but pressing delete or backspace does nothing [18:11] it was a fine experience [18:12] oh then i plugged in the clients' 3 iPods and it recognised none, so all 3 had to be wiped and synced from scratch [18:12] :D [18:14] http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/rms2016.html [18:17] yeah, we don't speak swedish [18:18] bork? :-P [18:18] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7UmUX68KtE [18:18] der popper der corn [18:30] I need to watch the start warts saga from end-to-end before the new film drops in a couple weeks [18:31] ergh, and it's my brother's birthday soon. need to find something gifty [18:37] :D [18:52] don't you love how supervillians have as their real names things like "victor von doom" [18:53] (/me watching fantastic four) [18:53] it's the number of them who seem to have phd's that worries me. what sort of people are colleges and universities accepting?! [18:53] lol [18:53] good point [18:54] so under goals on your admission forms you have 'world conquest' fair enough we have lectures on doomsday devices once a week... [18:54] :-) [18:55] "I see you have a lack of empathy listed in your psychological profile. how would you like a team to boss around?" [18:56] all new team members get a free t-shirt with their blood group printed on it... [18:58] of course if they try and sign up for a msce then we would know they are going to do evil... :-P [18:58] oh god, that's a whole different level of evil altogether [18:59] diddledan_: oh just seen that from earlier, well I do speak SWedish [19:00] anyone who can subject themselves to that amount of self-flagellation is destined to subject the world to unheard-of pain [19:00] they'd use ms office with clippy turned *ON*... [19:01] sebsebseb: can you translate the swedish chef in the muppets? [19:01] zmoylan-pi: O..M..G!! [19:01] diddledan_: some of it just sound stupid, but I got TV on in background to so [19:01] diddledan_: but yes I could transltae most actsual Swedish into ENglish [19:01] speech [19:02] and if that's not a straight to a rubber room with a stick between their teeth i don't know what is... [19:02] lol @ actual swedish - I'm guessing the chef isn't actual then [19:02] diddledan_: I'll watch it properly hold on [19:02] or properly enough [19:02] ,but some of it just sound stupid [19:02] der poppen der korn [19:02] diddledan_: there's also ENglish in the video you linked to as well by the way [19:03] der shrimpie [19:05] diddledan_: yes the chef is just speaking made up stuff it seems, that's not SWedish [19:07] I figured :-) [19:08] who has a Ubuntu phone here :d ? [19:08] diddledan_: look what Youtube bought up after the muppet video heh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP-MbfHFUqs [19:09] lol [19:09] gotta love prediction algorithms [19:09] diddledan_: used to hear that one in the car sometimes, as a kid, on the way to the zoo :d heh [20:26] oh dear: http://www.geek.com/games/amds-new-crimson-drivers-are-overheating-and-damaging-graphics-cards-1640676/ [21:08] apparently nvidia did it once too [21:09] yey? [21:10] surely on these cold nights it's good to have a few extra watts of heat, no? [21:11] not when the machine topples over i suppose :> [21:12] hmm, i never really thought about it before but if you've got some general compute task running on a graphics card, can the rest lock up and yet the program keep going on the card? :D [21:12] no idea [21:12] then the result is trapped! [21:15] don't you love how politicians think it's best not to investigate politicians? https://twitter.com/the_intercept/status/671788224117874693 [21:19] ouch, popey has a terrible connection speed today according to his twits! [21:19] (almost wrote that as "according to his tits" before I spotted and corrected) [21:19] ref: https://twitter.com/popey/status/671765284689158144 [21:20] 0.4Mbps is TERRIBLE [21:20] still there's a whole 31% of the UK that are slower than that?! [21:21] yeesh [21:25] stupid internets [21:25] * diddledan_ pets [21:25] perhaps you've been overworking it and it needs a rest [21:26] anthropomorphic modems for the win! === r is now known as Guest47152 === Guest47152 is now known as RichW === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away