| NoklaM | Programs | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| OvenWerks | It would never work for me personally, but I do know it is the new thing. | 00:00 |
| OvenWerks | I never seem to be able to use a search term that gets what I want. | 00:00 |
| NoklaM | You just search for programs name | 00:01 |
| OvenWerks | Or if I do, it is at the bottom of the third or fourth page of apps. | 00:01 |
| NoklaM | or category | 00:01 |
| OvenWerks | just he says.... :) | 00:01 |
| OvenWerks | Like I say, I know a lot of people like it, but a lot of time I don't remember what the actual name is, and categories get me stuff I don't want before what I do want. | 00:02 |
| NoklaM | You could simply browse all the Porgrams with a flicker | 00:02 |
| NoklaM | no need for scrolling | 00:02 |
| NoklaM | people use touch devices, most graphic people have a tablet | 00:03 |
| NoklaM | so the flicker motion is natural to them | 00:03 |
| OvenWerks | categories do not tell me what applications I have that I don't know about yet either. | 00:03 |
| OvenWerks | NoklaM: ya, lots of people do that, but I find it slow. A step back from command line | 00:03 |
| OvenWerks | maybe I am just old and entrenched :) | 00:04 |
| NoklaM | Well tbh If people ar eto get intrested in Studio a) it has to look descent(looks sell it) b) it has to step away from CLI unless nessecary | 00:04 |
| OvenWerks | Also I don't have anyway of "flicking", just mouse and keyboard, no touch... whatever. | 00:05 |
| NoklaM | You hold and drag | 00:05 |
| NoklaM | and release | 00:05 |
| sakrecoer_ | cute icon tho | 00:05 |
| OvenWerks | I was not suggesting CLI stuff, I think the menu is way ahead of any of them. | 00:06 |
| sakrecoer_ | oh. sorry.. my irssi session was scrolled way up | 00:06 |
| OvenWerks | I use a launchbar for things I use all the time anyway. but a menu is fastest for finding occasional use stuff. | 00:07 |
| sakrecoer_ | i see a big terminal over the desktop | 00:07 |
| NoklaM | sakrecoer_, it's just a semi transparent place to store the icons concept | 00:07 |
| sakrecoer_ | yes, the wifi winner guy is the cute icon i was refering to | 00:08 |
| NoklaM | hehe i got of some random website | 00:08 |
| NoklaM | Just throwing in a concept | 00:08 |
| NoklaM | Personally i think that the menu stuff is 80s 90s thinking great times but they're far away behind us | 00:09 |
| OvenWerks | However, having said all that. All these DE's can be set the way I want them anyway. So I don't care that much what gets used in the end. And I feel that if someone is using Studio in Unity, they don't want a menu anyway. | 00:09 |
| OvenWerks | NoklaM: menus are for work. They were conceived when computers were work machines. Many computers are entertainment now and only use three or four applications for everything many people want to do. | 00:10 |
| OvenWerks | NoklaM: Studio is meant to be a development platform for artistic kinds of things. | 00:10 |
| sakrecoer_ | where are all the icons stored OvenWerks ? | 00:11 |
| OvenWerks | So the kind of naivgation that is appropriate may not be what the vaerage phone has. | 00:11 |
| OvenWerks | sakrecoer_: we have very few icons. | 00:11 |
| OvenWerks | I think the menu icons are in the -menu meta. | 00:12 |
| OvenWerks | (package) | 00:12 |
| OvenWerks | there is an icon package, but I am not sure what is in there. | 00:12 |
| NoklaM | I think i have it not sure where i got it from tho | 00:12 |
| NoklaM | Going back to the topic of menus | 00:12 |
| sakrecoer_ | so, every app in the menu uses the icon their respective dev is shipping? | 00:13 |
| NoklaM | Artistic people are usualy the ones employing new fancy technologies | 00:13 |
| OvenWerks | sakrecoer_: sort of. icon themes inherit other themes. | 00:13 |
| NoklaM | and a work environment doesn't have to be old-tested technology, look at the likes of Google their companies culture is difrent and productivity is top notch(just saying) they don't employ old buearocratic standards | 00:14 |
| NoklaM | but then again I'm not a designer yet alone a progammer to implement this so just throwing in ideas | 00:15 |
| OvenWerks | NoklaM: in a perfect world, I would be able to type 2 or three charactors in a search and on the screen would be the app I was looking for. So far I have not had that experience with any search based application finder. | 00:16 |
| sakrecoer_ | i like it! why not? The question is indeed, how but not only. It is also how long and buy who.. | 00:17 |
| NoklaM | I seen it work in a html5 overlay | 00:17 |
| OvenWerks | sakrecoer_: The menu icons are in the -menu package. | 00:17 |
| NoklaM | That's the idea OvenWerks type 2-3 chars and have adequate programs pop up | 00:18 |
| sakrecoer_ | technicaly, what NoklaM is showing is easy; on big terminal, with buttons on the side | 00:18 |
| OvenWerks | sakrecoer_: they are like part of that application. | 00:18 |
| sakrecoer_ | xfce bar on the side of a giant terminal with a nice freefont. :) | 00:18 |
| sakrecoer_ | but then it becomes desktop design, and not studio production | 00:20 |
| sakrecoer_ | its better to put those effort in a desktop environement that you think ubuntustudio would want to use | 00:20 |
| sakrecoer_ | but then again, i'm just thinking loud.. | 00:21 |
| OvenWerks | If I am doing recording, my desktop (both monitors) is covered. I would have to minimize things to find the search entry... to start a synth for example. | 00:21 |
| NoklaM | Not really it's a semi transparent overlay | 00:22 |
| NoklaM | No minimizing needed | 00:22 |
| NoklaM | Could be done in HTML5+JS+some CSS | 00:22 |
| sakrecoer_ | ctrl+t | 00:22 |
| OvenWerks | Whisker at least ends up on top of my work and I can type a search _or_ use a menu like system to get what I want | 00:22 |
| sakrecoer_ | ctrl+alt+t | 00:22 |
| sakrecoer_ | :) | 00:22 |
| NoklaM | This would end up on top of your work, i think you're missing the concept | 00:22 |
| sakrecoer_ | but there is one core thing about what NoklaM says: we should make terminal sexy :) | 00:23 |
| OvenWerks | I wuld already have semitransparent meters on top of my work. | 00:23 |
| NoklaM | Not gonna push it but imho with the current looks and usuability of studio is off putting | 00:23 |
| OvenWerks | If it is on top of my work when does the search take over focus from my much more important application? | 00:24 |
| OvenWerks | I think that is the idae behind allowing the user to choose a DE at install time. | 00:24 |
| NoklaM | That would make the install heavy or reliant on a lot of bandwith | 00:25 |
| NoklaM | imho | 00:25 |
| sakrecoer_ | What do you suggest NoklaM ? | 00:25 |
| OvenWerks | For someone editing art would they not want to see the real colours and not something dimmed slightly be an overlay? | 00:25 |
| OvenWerks | NoklaM: I can agree with that. | 00:26 |
| NoklaM | It's not a permanent overlay | 00:26 |
| sakrecoer_ | no it comes up on a keyboard short cut | 00:26 |
| OvenWerks | ok, hotkey? | 00:26 |
| sakrecoer_ | yeah hotkey | 00:26 |
| sakrecoer_ | right? | 00:26 |
| NoklaM | You click the current menu button :P | 00:26 |
| NoklaM | or use the windows key on keyboard | 00:26 |
| sakrecoer_ | ah.. | 00:26 |
| OvenWerks | ok. | 00:27 |
| sakrecoer_ | but you can put a terminal button under the menu :) | 00:27 |
| NoklaM | I'll try and hack a html version of it just to show you lads how that works | 00:27 |
| sakrecoer_ | and maybe the terminal opens up with basic instruction as wallpaper | 00:27 |
| OvenWerks | It is not really a terminal I think. As you type in charactors the display of icons below narrows. | 00:27 |
| NoklaM | It's basicly just a "Big Menu of Icons" | 00:28 |
| sakrecoer_ | yeah! i like the idea! and if you can make it so it everyflavour take it i vote for you! | 00:28 |
| NoklaM | It wouldn't really be that much tech in it, as it can be done with simple HTML5 and JS | 00:29 |
| sakrecoer_ | the ubuntustudio production menu | 00:29 |
| OvenWerks | So when the the screen first comes up there are 20 screens of icons below with the first row or two being stuff you use all the time. As you type the icons that don't fit vanish. | 00:29 |
| sakrecoer_ | but it should really be just a superfancy terminal | 00:29 |
| sakrecoer_ | with extra sexybuttons | 00:29 |
| NoklaM | When the first screen comes up at first use it's A-Z but then it adapts to most used | 00:29 |
| NoklaM | Like a quick launch | 00:29 |
| NoklaM | lunch*launch i have no ide | 00:30 |
| NoklaM | idea | 00:30 |
| sakrecoer_ | i like everything! | 00:30 |
| sakrecoer_ | gnome is very much like you say | 00:30 |
| sakrecoer_ | i think | 00:30 |
| NoklaM | And it's not a giant scroll just pages of programs | 00:30 |
| NoklaM | Like a book | 00:31 |
| sakrecoer_ | you get this overlaying frames with dials | 00:31 |
| sakrecoer_ | yeah, new scool i like! | 00:31 |
| sakrecoer_ | i have no idea how but i like | 00:31 |
| sakrecoer_ | the thing is that it is not at alla that far from what we have now | 00:32 |
| sakrecoer_ | its just a matter of tuning it right | 00:32 |
| sakrecoer_ | i seriously think i had a genious strike when i thought of instructive wallpapers in the terminal | 00:33 |
| sakrecoer_ | it must exist! | 00:33 |
| sakrecoer_ | haha | 00:33 |
| NoklaM | It's similar navigation to a smart phone you got in the pocket you flicker through and I think Android 5.0 has a adapting menu to most used apps | 00:33 |
| NoklaM | but not sure do people want to maintain something like that, I know the desktop is a very dodgey topic here | 00:35 |
| OvenWerks | I think the idea is tha the DE decides things like how apps are started. | 00:37 |
| sakrecoer_ | https://www.gnome.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/activities-overview-applications-420x236.png | 00:37 |
| OvenWerks | ya gnome and unity are both like that. | 00:38 |
| OvenWerks | personally I don't like them at all. But as I said, I just don't think the right way for search to work for me. | 00:39 |
| sakrecoer_ | personaly, when i boil down the "search" concept, i see a terminal | 00:39 |
| OvenWerks | In my experience, I start typing a word to search for for the first two or three letters what I want is there, but not on the home screen, I have to scroll (or flick or whatever) through some pages. By the time I get to the point what I want should be on the home screen .... it vanishes :P | 00:41 |
| sakrecoer_ | http://sakrecoer.com/Screenshot_2015-12-01_01-40-12.png | 00:41 |
| sakrecoer_ | but instead of firefox and thunderbird, its ardour and blender gimp and co | 00:42 |
| NoklaM | For me personally I'd rather type in 3 letters than go through the same menu day after day just to start an application | 00:43 |
| sakrecoer_ | exactly! | 00:43 |
| sakrecoer_ | ardour be ar-> tab | 00:43 |
| NoklaM | Yup tab tab tab enter and done | 00:44 |
| sakrecoer_ | see, the overlay is just a fancy terminal | 00:44 |
| NoklaM | It could be if you program it :P | 00:44 |
| sakrecoer_ | exactly! | 00:45 |
| NoklaM | wish I listened when i done that JS course | 00:46 |
| NoklaM | i could hack that in 5 minutes | 00:46 |
| NoklaM | but i didn't listen and it will take me whole night just to get the drop down overley xD | 00:46 |
| NoklaM | I have very short attention span | 00:47 |
| NoklaM | I some times get distracted mid typing oh look a squirrel | 00:47 |
| NoklaM | brb got to grab a smoke it's been few hours since last one ;/ | 00:49 |
| sakrecoer_ | it think it would be easier to pimp XFCE4 we have, than change DE :) | 00:52 |
| NoklaM | Most likely | 00:54 |
| sakrecoer_ | i think fantsy flashy is personal pimping story. a neutral, boring dekstop is way more average and thus accesible | 00:54 |
| OvenWerks | NoklaM: sakrecoer_ :you heard the response already... you developit and maintain it for the next three years. | 00:55 |
| sakrecoer_ | i think ubuntustudio would be beter of brainstorming how to use the existing tools to educate the user to the terminal aka fancy terminal | 00:56 |
| sakrecoer_ | pimp the things that are there, to give it a dynamic contemporary look, but keep it neutral and standardized | 00:57 |
| NoklaM | CLI is off putting tho i know a dozen people at least who quit Linux in general because they had to findle with CLI | 00:57 |
| NoklaM | I don't mind it personally but if i can do something by clicking i skip the CLI stuff | 00:57 |
| sakrecoer_ | i use the desktop to launch my apps mainly | 00:58 |
| sakrecoer_ | i could launch them in many ways | 00:58 |
| sakrecoer_ | but i launch them mostly with buttons i make on the xfce bar | 00:59 |
| sakrecoer_ | the rest i launch with terminal | 00:59 |
| sakrecoer_ | filemanaging i use the one included | 00:59 |
| sakrecoer_ | don't realy know what i wanted to say :) | 01:00 |
| NoklaM | This is been bugging me since i started using linux, the desktop distros are meant for dekstops yet they rely so much on CLI, yes powerusers use CLI but not your average Joe | 01:01 |
| OvenWerks | just for reference: http://pasteboard.co/2xfmplmn.png | 01:02 |
| NoklaM | Maybe that's why Windows and OS X are gaining such momentum while linux stays in that dark server room where someone fiddles with it from time to time | 01:02 |
| sakrecoer_ | but are people clicking menus when they draw in gimp? | 01:02 |
| OvenWerks | sak are they typing? | 01:02 |
| NoklaM | most is done through shortcuts if you know them | 01:03 |
| NoklaM | For efficiency | 01:03 |
| OvenWerks | I would not suggest CLI... but to me typing in search terms is the same thing. | 01:03 |
| sakrecoer_ | google is a fancy terminal | 01:03 |
| NoklaM | People are used to searching google is like th emost visited website on the planet | 01:04 |
| sakrecoer_ | everybody can type | 01:04 |
| sakrecoer_ | :) best GUI ever: terminal | 01:04 |
| OvenWerks | In my desktop image above in the middle is my vertical panel. | 01:04 |
| sakrecoer_ | haha no but i understand the idea NoklaM sorry, i'm joking a bit | 01:04 |
| OvenWerks | Those are the apps I use most. It is also a menu on the right side. | 01:05 |
| sakrecoer_ | but seriously. lets do it! | 01:05 |
| sakrecoer_ | i want to try make fancyass terminal | 01:06 |
| sakrecoer_ | haha | 01:06 |
| sakrecoer_ | i have to sleep sorry, i get excited and tired at the same time is not good.. | 01:06 |
| NoklaM | I'm looking through Xfce manuals | 01:06 |
| OvenWerks | sakrecoer_: I might have as many as 10 terminals at once on the same screen... | 01:06 |
| OvenWerks | some with tabs. | 01:07 |
| sakrecoer_ | but imageine the one in the shortcut of ubuntustudio xfce desktop opens up a really cool one, with a nice wallpaper with some help text layedout sexy | 01:07 |
| OvenWerks | NoklaM: what you want to do is make a panel plugin | 01:08 |
| OvenWerks | NoklaM: what you want to do is a different style of gnome session lens (or unity lens) | 01:08 |
| NoklaM | just looking through the documentation | 01:09 |
| OvenWerks | Actually KDE has something similar as well | 01:09 |
| OvenWerks | NoklaM: if you are doing something for xfce then you need to know GTK quite well. | 01:10 |
| NoklaM | I've just noticed that, looks like engyptian hirogplyphs or whatever they are called | 01:11 |
| OvenWerks | :) :) :) | 01:11 |
| sakrecoer_ | ? :) | 01:12 |
| OvenWerks | I have just started learning FLTK but will switch to AVTK probably if I can figure it out (it is similar) | 01:12 |
| NoklaM | I'm bad at code comprehension | 01:13 |
| NoklaM | and the xfce wiki is short and full of code that looks like foreign symbols to me | 01:13 |
| OvenWerks | NoklaM: I found the documentation less than helpful. I had to look through the whiskermenu source code for documentation. | 01:14 |
| OvenWerks | I had thought GTK was in c, but I am seeing most of the code for GTK is c++. | 01:15 |
| NoklaM | https://github.com/chjj/compton | 01:16 |
| NoklaM | could this work? | 01:16 |
| OvenWerks | NoklaM: that is not really a graphics tool kit but the layer under it. | 01:17 |
| sakrecoer_ | i like what the archguys do i think this atracts artists. :D https://i.warosu.org/data/g/img/0439/87/1409990512059.png | 01:17 |
| OvenWerks | you would have to make a tookkit on top. | 01:17 |
| NoklaM | i keep browsing r/nixporn and thinking how are they doing that hehe | 01:18 |
| sakrecoer_ | i think its openbox | 01:21 |
| sakrecoer_ | i searched for battlestation openbox vm | 01:21 |
| OvenWerks | sakrecoer_: May as well use fvwm | 01:21 |
| NoklaM | a windowmanager? | 01:21 |
| OvenWerks | openbox is yes | 01:22 |
| sakrecoer_ | nah, i just wanted a fancy pic, so i put a fancy tag, in the fancy google terminal | 01:22 |
| sakrecoer_ | :D | 01:22 |
| sakrecoer_ | if NoklaM was refering to "battlestation" ... | 01:22 |
| NoklaM | i think it's time learn coding, brb in 5 years when i get enough knowledge to write an overlay xD | 01:23 |
| sakrecoer_ | or stay arround, plan it up, make it happen :) | 01:24 |
| NoklaM | hehe I'll see what's doable | 01:25 |
| sakrecoer_ | But you might want to talk to the desktop/windowmanagement devlopers if you realy into user interaction. Or to the software devloper of gimp and blender etc.. | 01:26 |
| OvenWerks | Ya, pretty much. This app is 0% c++ in three or four months: http://www.ovenwerks.net/software/mcpdisp.html | 01:26 |
| OvenWerks | it takes midi in and displays it basically | 01:26 |
| OvenWerks | That is I started with no c++ and in three months I was able to do this much. The tool kit is FLTK | 01:27 |
| NoklaM | hmm, could be a challenge i was looking for | 01:28 |
| OvenWerks | I did have c knowledge and have done GUIs with Tk/tcl before | 01:28 |
| NoklaM | but the problem is maintaining it for 3 years | 01:28 |
| sakrecoer_ | No, the problem is finding people to maintin it for 3 years :) you are not alone | 01:29 |
| OvenWerks | Yes, it is a long time thing. Programs are like children. | 01:29 |
| NoklaM | It's not that I'm afraid over the workload it's just my health could suffer and lets say i wouldn't be able to access or work on it | 01:29 |
| NoklaM | In last 8 years i went from working in a shop having normal life to sitting at home wiating for another doctors visit since i got a lot of health complications | 01:30 |
| NoklaM | PTSD, Arthritis, Psychotic Breakdowns + some minor stuff | 01:31 |
| NoklaM | but probably will give it a go | 01:31 |
| OvenWerks | That is tough | 01:31 |
| NoklaM | With arthritis I'm not sure I'll be able to use a keyboard in few years | 01:32 |
| OvenWerks | NoklaM: I would not make it ubuntustudio specific. | 01:32 |
| NoklaM | You mean a seprate project? | 01:32 |
| OvenWerks | NoklaM: don't stop moving yur joints... I know from experience. | 01:32 |
| NoklaM | hard with agoraphobia but i walk around the house ;/ | 01:33 |
| OvenWerks | NoklaM: you are making a new DE or at least part of one. It would have wider use than just here. | 01:33 |
| NoklaM | True OvenWerks, not sure where to start learning tho for this | 01:33 |
| NoklaM | Writing a new DE, big project for a newbie | 01:34 |
| NoklaM | expcially with KDE, GNOME and others being there already before me | 01:34 |
| NoklaM | s/ex/es | 01:34 |
| OvenWerks | Take it in steps. | 01:36 |
| NoklaM | I'm looking in to GTK | 01:36 |
| NoklaM | I didn't know it has to do anything with gimp | 01:36 |
| OvenWerks | Thats were it was started yes. | 01:37 |
| OvenWerks | But you see what I mean by something having wider application. | 01:37 |
| OvenWerks | Now the linux world is sort of half GTK and half QT | 01:38 |
| NoklaM | I just read a debate about QTvsGTK | 01:38 |
| OvenWerks | QT is nice for cross platform work. | 01:39 |
| NoklaM | I know bitcoin client was written in QT that's how much i know about it | 01:39 |
| OvenWerks | QT tends to have gentler upgrade curves. | 01:39 |
| NoklaM | So you mean like whole DE from scratch? | 01:40 |
| NoklaM | I guess C or C++ would be the language to get to know here | 01:40 |
| OvenWerks | What you want to do would be fine as a part of the xfce panel. | 01:40 |
| OvenWerks | I would go c++. | 01:40 |
| OvenWerks | c++ forces the programer to do things right :) | 01:41 |
| NoklaM | C++ is used in genral programming for Linux right? Like the kernel | 01:41 |
| OvenWerks | Having something not compile with a message that says line * is wrong is much easier to debug than a crash. | 01:41 |
| OvenWerks | The kernel is c | 01:42 |
| * OvenWerks has to cook for da kids. | 01:42 | |
| NoklaM | Have fun :) | 01:43 |
| NoklaM | I'll look in to C++ in the mean time | 01:43 |
| sakrecoer_ | me too i'm off! read you soon! | 01:57 |
| NoklaM | see you sakrecoer_ good night mate | 01:57 |
| NoklaM | bbl | 02:25 |
| NoklaM | Just had a look at KDE & Gnome both have the feature i was talking about, no need to develop :P | 03:40 |
| zequence | Noskcaj: If you want to begin learning programming on Linux, I highly recommend starting with python | 08:25 |
| zequence | c++ is a monster of a language, which you can do a lot of stuff with, but depending on the way you learn, you might drown in the details for the first couple of years, not really learning how to use it | 08:26 |
| zequence | The kernel is mostly done in C | 08:26 |
| zequence | You might be surprised though how many applications in Linux are done in python | 08:27 |
| zequence | Sorry, NosklaM. But he's not here anymore :) | 08:29 |
| flocculant | :D | 08:32 |
| flocculant | he's keen though :) | 08:32 |
| zequence | That he is! | 08:34 |
| flocculant | I'm sure Ross is happy :) | 08:35 |
| flocculant | bbl | 08:35 |
| NoklaM | o/ | 08:43 |
| NoklaM | whole night fighting with PSU noise, about 10 minutes ago I found the silicone lubricant xD | 08:44 |
| NoklaM | btw is the test release building today? | 08:47 |
| zequence | NoklaM: There was a dependency conflict with the last build. Something not introduced by us, but could be caused by the combination of packages in our seeds (which our meta packages are based on) | 08:49 |
| zequence | I'll start by looking if we have any of those packages in our seeds, and which packages depend on them. | 08:50 |
| NoklaM | ah I see, I failed(miss clicked) to report a bug on startup of the system | 08:50 |
| zequence | Going to the "office". bbl | 08:51 |
| NoklaM | see you zequence | 08:51 |
| zequence | Yeez. The ubuntustudio-default-settings branch is a mess. My fault. I always forget to push changes before I upload. | 09:31 |
| NoklaM | I managed to get that machine i was talking about yesterday working not sure tho will the 256Mb shared memory be enough | 09:33 |
| NoklaM | no dedicated gfx :( | 09:33 |
| zequence | Sure. Sounds like more than you need for general use | 09:34 |
| NoklaM | Can't wait to test it | 09:36 |
| NoklaM | I'll be able to migrate to a stable build on the main pc | 09:36 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: I reverted the changes on the menu. I think you are skipping many steps before doing changes like that. First, if you want to make any sort of changes, you know we need to discuss things, create a blueprint, or whatever. Then, we implement. | 09:37 |
| zequence | Our branches are not for testing. If you want to do testing, do it locally. If you want to share your results, put it in a PPA | 09:38 |
| zequence | When I synced us with Xubuntu, that was not testing. It was something that has been planned for at least a year. | 09:38 |
| zequence | Just to clarify, I reverted the menu additions to -default-settings. | 09:39 |
| NoklaM | So is studio a Xubuntu derivative? | 09:39 |
| zequence | You could say so. Though, we use our own kernel and a couple of other settings. | 09:40 |
| NoklaM | Ah i see | 09:40 |
| NoklaM | Eh i just found a massive issue, no second keyboard/mouse or a PC port on TV | 09:40 |
| zequence | Ever since we moved away from Gnome2, the desktop has been based on Xubuntu's. Just that no one has been properly maintaining it. | 09:40 |
| NoklaM | I would do it zequence trust me, if i had the know how | 09:41 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: Though a bit late because of all this business with PR, Project lead vote, etc, I will begin feature definition discussions this week. | 09:42 |
| NoklaM | but I went through 10 chapters of a python book last night, at chapter 10 I was amaze/had no idea what just happened there inthat book | 09:42 |
| zequence | NoklaM: Since we seem to be getting a bit more traffic here now, and this is supposed to be a dedicated channel for development, I would suggest using an off-topic channel for these kind of topics. #xubuntu-offtopic is nice, since you'll find our Xubuntu friends there. | 09:44 |
| zequence | I'm there, but the others may not be | 09:44 |
| zequence | (in the studio team, I mean) | 09:44 |
| NoklaM | ah ok sorry about the off-topic | 09:45 |
| zequence | No problem. It's impossible to avoid to some extent. | 09:45 |
| zequence | We usually don't have a lot of traffic on our channels, so there has not been a need for our own off-topic channel. But, that could be arranged too. | 09:46 |
| zequence | NoklaM: Are you on a studio system right now? | 10:27 |
| NoklaM | yes | 10:28 |
| zequence | NoklaM: Try this command in a terminal: dpkg -s oss-compat | 10:28 |
| NoklaM | dpkg-query: package 'oss-compat' is not installed and no information is available | 10:29 |
| zequence | Ok, thought so | 10:29 |
| zequence | It's what is causing our build problem | 10:29 |
| NoklaM | the lack of it or the need of it? | 10:29 |
| zequence | oss-compat conflicts with osspd. We don't want oss-compat at all | 10:30 |
| zequence | The latest build tries to add it | 10:30 |
| NoklaM | ah i see | 10:31 |
| NoklaM | Is the screen flicker I'm seeing when scrolling an Studio thing or LXDE? | 10:32 |
| zequence | oss-compat however suggests osspd. Seems like a packaging problem. | 10:32 |
| zequence | It's not studio in either case | 10:33 |
| NoklaM | eh it's driving me nuts | 10:33 |
| NoklaM | sorry for off-topic/ How do I revert back a driver instalation | 10:47 |
| zequence | NoklaM: What kind of driver? | 10:48 |
| zequence | Usually, you just uninstall the package you previously installed. | 10:48 |
| NoklaM | I installed the ATI driver from the package manager | 10:48 |
| NoklaM | Then unistalled but my video setting won't go back to 1920x1080 instead of 1024x768 | 10:49 |
| zequence | Perhaps you have some custom X11 settings? | 10:50 |
| zequence | Check for /usr/etc/X11/xorg.conf, or files in a possible dir /usr/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d | 10:51 |
| zequence | Though, no, you should have no image at all, come to think of it | 10:51 |
| zequence | Try to use the gui in "Software Sources", the tab about additional drivers | 10:52 |
| zequence | Ok, new meta (though oss-compat was not in it, as it seems). oss-compat is blacklisted in our seeds. Hopefully that fixes it. | 10:57 |
| zequence | ..and that's all I have time for right now. Time for lunch, and then it's recording time! | 10:58 |
| NoklaM | sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade? | 10:59 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: I will leave the look and feel to others. No worries. My personal opinion is that a PPA is a way of not getting things tested or looked at. However, more discussion on this channel has also pointed out to me that DE look and feel preferences are highly subjective... and what works well for me is unexpected by the new "it should work like my phone" user. | 15:19 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: I would suggest that xubuntu is ahead of us there. | 15:19 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: I am sorry to get cross purposes with you, when I saw that you were keeping /etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio I assumed that any changes in there were fair game. Once one thing is in there, it doesn't really matter how many are we are already departed from using xubuntu as a base and would have to have something in there for each DE. | 15:22 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: That is why I suggest just removing that. It would be nice to have a custom backdrop... but in the end that is only the live ISO and first install. The user will probably change the backdrop within the first week. | 15:24 |
| OvenWerks | The menu icon might be changed in consultation with xubuntu to distributer-logo which should not (IMO) be a part of the icon theme. | 15:32 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: do be aware that there is some feeling in this channel at least, that the live ISO/default install should have a unique look that says this is Ubuntustudio. | 15:36 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: I am not sure I care. We are moving very quickly to Studio being an add-on to other flavours. maybe that is good or not. I really don't know. | 15:39 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: There is a feeling in the audio community that ubuntustudio is just xubuntu with added applications. | 15:46 |
| OvenWerks | I have heard the comment that there are no settings changes to make audio work right. | 15:46 |
| OvenWerks | This is of course not true, but having no unique look and feel adds to that perception. -controls on the other hand helps people know there is more to the distro. | 15:48 |
| OvenWerks | I would suggest that there be more emphasis in our PR to the settings changes that make Studio better than other ubuntu flavours for audio use. | 15:49 |
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